Second City Works presents "Getting to Yes, And"

Kelly welcomes Martha Jones back to the podcast. She is the Society of Black Alumni Presidential Professor and professor of history at the SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. We spoke to her last about her book “Vanguard.” Her new book is called “The Trouble of Color: An American Family Memoir.”  https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7304343/Martha_Jones_2025-03-03-041943.64kmono.mp3 “So much of the historical record was written with silence.”  “I discovered my faith in the capacity of words to help me know myself and the people who made me.” “This book is a dialogue with my family. It is also a dialogue with those who write about the past in which my family made its way.”  Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Tony Wagner – ‘How Education is Failing Our Kids’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | John August – “Scriptnotes”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And…| Louis Henry Mitchell – “Behind the Scenes at Sesame Street”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Ranjay Gulati – ‘The Science of Courage’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Nick Digilio – ‘A Love Letter to Chicago and the Movies’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly connects with Dannagal Goldthwaite Young, a professor in the Department of Communication at the University of Delaware. Her research interests include political media effects, public opinion, political satire and the psychology of political humor. Her books include Irony and Outrage and Wrong. She’s also an improviser.  https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7296404/Dannagal_Young_2025-02-25-161504.64kmono.mp3 “First rule of comedy: know your audience.”  “We – all of us – are wrong about lots of things.”  “Confident humility is a corrective lens.”  Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Tony Wagner – ‘How Education is Failing Our Kids’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | John August – “Scriptnotes”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And…| Louis Henry Mitchell – “Behind the Scenes at Sesame Street”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Ranjay Gulati – ‘The Science of Courage’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Nick Digilio – ‘A Love Letter to Chicago and the Movies’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly talks to University of Michigan Professor Ethan Kross about his new book: “Shift: Managing Your Emotions – So They Don’t Manage You.” https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7290662/Ethan_Kross_2025-02-20-195902.64kmono.mp3 “Emotions aren’t good or bad; they are just information.”  “There are things you can control and things you can’t. Emotions are both.”  “The effect music has on our emotions feels like magic.”  Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Tony Wagner – ‘How Education is Failing Our Kids’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | John August – “Scriptnotes”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And…| Louis Henry Mitchell – “Behind the Scenes at Sesame Street”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Ranjay Gulati – ‘The Science of Courage’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Nick Digilio – ‘A Love Letter to Chicago and the Movies’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly goes behind the scenes of Alzheimer’s research with science writer Charles Piller whose new book is called “Doctored: Fraud, Arrogance, and Tragedy in the Quest to Cure Alzheimer’s.”  https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7286575/charles_Piller_2025-02-18-161415.64kmono.mp3 “Disproving someone else’s experiment can be a death wish in science.”  “Most academic bio-scientists depend on the National Institute of Health to keep the lights on.”  “Eleven of sixteen FDA medical examiners who worked on twenty-eight drug approvals left the agency to become employees or consultants for the companies they recently regulated.” Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Tony Wagner – ‘How Education is Failing Our Kids’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | John August – “Scriptnotes”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And…| Louis Henry Mitchell – “Behind the Scenes at Sesame Street”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Ranjay Gulati – ‘The Science of Courage’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Nick Digilio – ‘A Love Letter to Chicago and the Movies’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly hosts a special Valentine’s Day Bonus Pod with professors Eli Finkel and Paul Eastwick who host the “Love Factually” podcast. Eli and Paul are relationship scientists at Northwestern and The University of California, Davis. Their podcast looks at a modern romantic comedy each week through the lens of the science of relationships.  https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7282392/Eli_Finkel_and_Paul_Eastwick_2025-02-14-045832.64kmono.mp3 “Relationship outcomes depend not only on the specific qualities of each partner but also on the unique patterns that emerge when the partners’ qualities intersect.”  “There isn’t just one true and proper way to love, to relate, to bond, to touch.” “Motivated reasoning is a cognitive process where people use reason to support their existing beliefs or desires and lay at the heart of ‘When Harry Met Sally.’” Recent Posts The Chicago Way with John Kass Kass: Charles Lipson looks how 2026 might unfold .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Kass: Like frogs in a pot, happy New Year .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Chicago Way w/John Kass: O Holy Night .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Chicago Way w/John Kass: A Christmas soup debate .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Kass: A funeral for a friend and the city’s finances .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly connects with Dr. Steven J. Heine, Professor of Social and Cultural Psychology at the University of British Columbia. They discuss his new book, “Start Making Sense: How Existential Psychology Can Help Build Meaningful Lives in Absurd Times.” https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7275982/Dr_Steven_J_Heine_-_Start_Making_Sense_2025-02-11-061822.64kmono.mp3 “The world seems confusing, and people no longer seem to agree on the basic facts of what is happening around them.”  “In many ways our learning is facilitated through stories.”  “We risk a lot if we’re unable to weave all the different threads of our self together.” Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Tony Wagner – ‘How Education is Failing Our Kids’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | John August – “Scriptnotes”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And…| Louis Henry Mitchell – “Behind the Scenes at Sesame Street”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Ranjay Gulati – ‘The Science of Courage’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Nick Digilio – ‘A Love Letter to Chicago and the Movies’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly talks about workplace fairness with Harvard’s Siri Chilazi, who co-wrote the book “Make Work Fair: Data-Driven Design for Real Results” with Iris Bohnet. https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7258947/Siri_Chilazi_2025-02-04-163847.64kmono.mp3 “Very few people are against fairness, but we don’t all agree on what it entails.”  “The biggest determinant of remote work is education.”  “Bias from above is complemented by bias from below.”  Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Tony Wagner – ‘How Education is Failing Our Kids’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | John August – “Scriptnotes”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And…| Louis Henry Mitchell – “Behind the Scenes at Sesame Street”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Ranjay Gulati – ‘The Science of Courage’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Nick Digilio – ‘A Love Letter to Chicago and the Movies’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly converses with Kalifa Oliver, an international experience coach, executive advisor, keynote speaker, author and expert in building brilliant experiences using people-centered design and analytics. Her new book is called, “I Think I Love My Job: Secrets to Designing a People-Centered Employer Value Proposition (That You Can Actually Boast About.” https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7173459/kalifa_Oliver_2025-01-28-062459.64kmono.mp3 “You simply cannot predict the human experience.” “Your employees are another set of customers.” “Culture cannot just be shaped from the top. It starts at the bottom.” Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Tony Wagner – ‘How Education is Failing Our Kids’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | John August – “Scriptnotes”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And…| Louis Henry Mitchell – “Behind the Scenes at Sesame Street”  .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Ranjay Gulati – ‘The Science of Courage’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Nick Digilio – ‘A Love Letter to Chicago and the Movies’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly connects with Harvard professor Alison Wood Brooks, who studies the science of conversation. Her new book is called “TALK: The Science of Conversation and the Art of Being Ourselves.”  https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7156087/Alison_Wood_Brooks_2025-01-20-003827.64kmono.mp3 “Conversation is an ongoing act of co-creation.”  “We’re all making it up as we go along.”  “People who ask more questions are better liked.”

Kelly sits down with Kurt Gray, a professor in psychology and neuroscience at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he directs the Deepest Beliefs Lab and the Center for the Science of Moral Understanding. He has a new book, “Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground.”  https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7148156/Kurt_Gray_2025-01-14-154556.64kmono.mp3 “It feels like we are at war.”  “It is true: we are safer today than we were at the dawn of humanity. But we don’t feel safer.”  “If other people’s pain is like a whisper on the wind, our own pain is a scream in our ear.”