
The Numinous Podcast
The Numinous Podcast is a show about intuition, spirituality and the mystery of life. The host, Carmen Spagnola, is an intersectional witch and clinical hypnotherapist who has smart, soulful conversations with interesting people. The lineup is diverse, the topics are eclectic, and the people are down-to-earth (mostly).
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Jun 30, 2023 • 1h 36min
TNP197 Portrait Of A Marriage Part Four
The final episode featuring Ruben and me as we dissect and update my 2017 Medium article, Portrait Of A Marriage (Yes, It's Mine.)
In this episode, we're talking about fighting and conflict, with tips to navigate inevitable relationship ruptures.
Referenced in this episode:
Rachelle Lamb has an unconventional approach to Non-Violent Communication that I find more helpful than most
bell hooks' books on love have been integral to making our marriage work, in particular The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity and Love
YourPersonality.net
Stan Tatkin: runs a signature couple's retreat called the Wired For Love Retreat, also has a new book called, In Each Other's Care: A Guide To The Most Common Relationship Conflicts And How To Work Through Them
Clue period tracker app
Check out my course, Contact Nutrition 101
The Numinous Network
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May 13, 2023 • 1h 16min
TNP196 Portrait Of A Marriage Part Three
In this third part of our Portrait Of A Marriage Miniseries, we go a little deeper into how we started healing trauma within our marriage, patriarchy and sexual trauma, epistemic privilege, and how poetry helped us reconnect in intimate but non-sexual ways.
Resources cited in this episode:
YourPersonality.net
The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity and Love, bell hooks
Tobar Phaidraic, by David Whyte (found in River Flow: New and Selected Poems)
The Queen, by Pablo Neruda (found in Love Poems, translated by Donald D.Walsh)
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Apr 9, 2023 • 1h 26min
TNP195 Portrait of a Marriage Part Two
This is the second episode in our miniseries revisiting my 2017 article, Portrait Of A Marriage. (Yes, It's Mine.)
In this episode we talk about top-down and bottom-up processing and how communication is not the magic cipher we have been led to believe!
I share my story of how the stress of our relationship somatized into physical symptoms that required us to call 911. And we get into tender territory about what patriarchy looked like in our marriage and how it's related to Ruben's current experience with severe burnout.
The key resource we recommend to everyone trying to bring feminist cultural analysis to relationship building:
The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity and Love, bell hooks
Shauna Janz' work:
Sacred Grief with Shauna Janz
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Apr 7, 2023 • 56min
TNP194 Portrait Of A Marriage with Carmen and Ruben Part One
Welcome to a special miniseries of The Numinous Podcast: Portrait Of A Marriage where we revisit a seminal blog post I published in 2017 on resolving the traps of an Anxious and avoidant Partnership, in other words a relationship where one partner, in this case me, a cis white woman, tends to have a more avoidant attachment style, and the other partner, in this case, Ruben, a cis white man, tends to express a more anxious attachment style. We're going to read through that blog post and give you updates on all the strategies we tried to earn the more secure attachment we have now, what worked, what didn't, and bring the article up to date to let you know where we are in the marriage now. Spoiler alert: it was all very, very worth it.
Notes:
The original article, Portrait Of A Marriage. (Yes, It's Mine)
Carmen's CV
The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity and Love, by bell hooks
Stan Tatkin
Sue Johnson
Journey From Abandonment To Healing
YourPersonality.net
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Feb 24, 2023 • 29min
TNP193 How Much Is Enough In Collapse with Carmen and Ruben
Something a little bit different today – a clip featuring myself and my husband, Ruben Anderson. We're teaching a course this year called Collapse 101, hosted in The Numinous Network, and each month there's a 1 hr live session followed a week or two later by an Ask Me Anything session.
A lot of people don’t see the through-line from attachment to somatics –> trauma healing –> co-regulation –> folk magic –> ritual –> animism –> socialism –> collapse resilience, but I do.
And I bet you do, too, at least partly, when I lay it out in that sequence. And if you don’t see it, but you want to, then stick around! Everything I teach about is a collapse skill, from recipes and rituals for the wheel of the year, to dowsing with a pendulum, to attachment parenting, to Contact Nutrition and Polyvagal Theory in trauma recovery - these are 100% all collapse skills.
Of course at the root of everything I do, I’m trying to help people live richly connected and meaningful lives, but even more fundamental to me is that I’m trying to help shape the social discourse and collective thinking around collapse. I attempt that through compassionate and holistic and accessible adult education. I’m trying to help shape social thought around how we’re going to live in these times.
This episode is a brief response to a Numinous Network member’s question about how much is enough when prepping material or financial resources as a safety net or a lifeboat for collapse. Ruben and I offer our very pragmatic answers along with some scaffolding for how you might approach this challenge in your own life – how you might shape your thinking so you can come up with what feels like enough for you.
If Crisis or War Comes - Swedish government Emergency Handbook
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Feb 10, 2023 • 1h 22min
TNP192 Happily Needy with Mara Glatzel
This is a really lovely conversation with Mara Glatzel, author of a new book coming out Feb 28 called, Needy: How to Advocate for Your Needs and Claim Your Sovereignty, which was recently selected by Malcolm Gladwell and Adam Grant for the Next Big Idea Club’s book of the month.
Mara says she is an intuitive coach, writer, and Needy Podcast host who helps humans stop abandoning themselves and start reclaiming their sovereignty through embracing their needs and honouring their natural energy rhythms. She’s also a queer, femme mother of two, recovering control freak.
We talk about being multi-passionate when so much prevailing marketing tells you to niche down, we jam on balancing the need to feel safe in an overculture that is just factually unsafe in so many ways and especially so for more oppressed people, and we get into how we might approach reclaiming needs like rest and saying no, depending on where we’re at in that healing journey.
Buy the book
Find Mara on Instagram
Harsh review on Goodreads!

Feb 4, 2023 • 51min
TNP191 Entering Hekate’s Cave with Dr.Cyndi Brannen
Dr Cyndi Brannen, one of the world’s foremost Hekatean experts, is here to talk about her most recent book, Entering Hekate’s Cave, now available in stores and online. This is Cyndi’s fourth book and her third time on the Numinous Podcast. We're talking about how Hekate can guide us on the journey through darkness to wholeness, and also about Cyndi's own evolution as a scholar and author.
Cyndi's other books on Hekate include
Keeping Her Keys: An Introduction to Hekate's Modern Witchcraft
Entering Hekate's Garden: The Magick, Medicine and Mystery of Plant Spirit Witchcraft
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Jan 31, 2023 • 58min
TNP190 Celtic Embodiment with Jen Murphy
Jen Murphy is the founder of the Celtic School of Embodiment where she fuses the ancient wisdom of Irish Mythology with Feminine Embodiment Coaching. Jen has a degree in Medieval Irish & Celtic Studies and a masters in the Anthropology of Development. She specializes in critical pedagogy - empowering learners to critique the power structures at play in their own learning experiences. I've enjoyed taking Jen's courses, particularly the Non-Linear Movement sections, and am thrilled to have her on the show today to share how she weaves land, mythology, embodiment, and music into her coaching and healing practice.
Website
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Dec 16, 2022 • 1h 9min
TNP189 Recovering Towards Mothering with Taryn Strong
Taryn Strong is one of the Founders of SHE RECOVERS® Foundation as well as a Coach, Herbalist and Trauma Informed Yoga Teacher. Taryn’s courageous and passion for recovering out loud has made her an influential voice in the global recovery movement. Taryn creates and curates transformational experiences online and in person through her group and private mentorship offerings. As a certified Trauma of Money Facilitator, she currently specializes in financial empowerment and money healing. She also mentors entrepreneurs in recovery who are seeking support to take up space, find their voice and expand their business through aligned impact.
Taryn is also expecting her first child and I was curious about how she is navigating that rite of passage, not only spiritually and creatively, but also in the context of recovery.
TarynStrong.com
SheRecovers.org
Mentioned in this episode:
The Roots of Addiction in Free Market Society, by Dr.Bruce Alexander
Rat Park studies
In The Realm Of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction, by Dr.Gabor Maté

Dec 3, 2022 • 1h 16min
TNP188 Fumbling Through...All Of It with Kael Klassen
Kael Klassen moved from the corporate world into motherhood before fumbling, fortunately quite quickly, through a series of well-meaning-but-problematic-white-lady spiritual endeavours. Since extracting herself as much as possible from that, she has grounded her work in the modality of trancework, along with writing and creating. Here we talk about missteps each of us have made on our spiritual paths as white settler folks. In this confessional episode, we cover topics like culty yoga teacher trainings, ancestral healing and appropriation, mental health on the healing journey and how it intersects with the creative process. Kael shares intimately about coping with grief and rage, and the rituals that help her to root into winter.
In this episode we mentioned the art and philosophical approach of our esteemed colleague, Rachael Rice.
You can find Kael's offerings on instagram @kael.klassen or @liminalrootsbotanica or online at www.liminalrootsbotanica.com
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