
The Numinous Podcast
The Numinous Podcast is a show about intuition, spirituality and the mystery of life. The host, Carmen Spagnola, is an intersectional witch and clinical hypnotherapist who has smart, soulful conversations with interesting people. The lineup is diverse, the topics are eclectic, and the people are down-to-earth (mostly).
Latest episodes

Oct 29, 2024 • 25min
TNP240 {WNY Retreat Miniseries} A Brief History of Intuition with Carmen Spagnola
In this essay I will show how Thomas Aquinas, due to his early life attachment ruptures and abandonment wound, and under the influence of the violent toxic masculinity of the Inquisition and Aristotle's writings, became a 23 year old incel who went on to drive an 800 year wedge between intuition and the mind for people of European descent.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Terror of History: Mystics, Heretics, and Witches in the Western Tradition with Professor Teofilo F. Ruiz, Ph.D., University of California, Los Angeles
Why Evil Exists with Professor Charles Mathewes, Ph.D., University of Virginia
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Oct 28, 2024 • 1h 26min
TNP239 {WNY Retreat Miniseries} Altars, Shrines + Ancestors with Carmen Spagnola
Happy 49th birthday to me! Here's my gift to you: This is the first episode of a personal retreat podcast miniseries! Half of the episodes help you prepare for the season of the witch, the other half offer a guided day of ritual, trancework, self-care, and divination for 2025. It's a party at your own pace! A party for introverts! We're all doing similar things but inside our own homes on our own time. Huzzah! 🎉 🥳 🎂
I'll be honest, I've got a lot going on right now so this is probably the most off-the-cuff episode I've ever produced. But if you can put up with all my side quest, stories and tangents, there's a lot of good instruction here, especially for folks who are new to working with altars or ancestors.
Here's a shrine I made for Isobell, my grandmother
Mentioned in this episode:
Crafting Personal Shrines: Using Photos, Mementos & Treasures to Create Artful Displays, by Carol Owen
YouTube: AirDry Clay Shrines by CraftyChica Kathy Cano-Murillo
TNP99: Monsters and Magical Beings with John Michael Greer
AstroMagic Miniseries
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Oct 26, 2024 • 1h 26min
TNP238 Embracing the Mothershift with Jessie Harrold
Did you know that matrescence – the process of becoming a mother – takes approximately 2-3 years? It's far from the 3, 6, or 12 month process we've been made to believe. In fact, 20 years after giving birth to my child, I'm still grappling with how it changed me, how I want to mother, and what this identity means to me.
My guest for this episode is Jessie Harrold, coach, doula, educator and author of Mothershift: Reclaiming Motherhood as a Rite of Passage. We're talking about:
• Who goes through "matrescence"? Who is a mother?? What is mothering???
• Should postpartum depression (or postpartum anxiety) an expected part of matrescence?
• How do we manage the grief, rage or ambivalence that often comes with motherhood?
• How are mothers specially equipped to disrupt social norms like capitalism?
Please do pre-order Mothershift before November 11 – get your own Mothershift journal as a bonus gift!
On November 20th from 6-7p.m. Atlantic Time, Jessie will be hosting a virtual launch party with Q&A, giveaways, and practices. Sign up for her newsletter to learn more.
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Oct 20, 2024 • 1h 42min
TNP237 Building Better Boundaries with Parents with Jordan Pickell
Jordan Pickell is a Vancouver, BC-based a trauma counsellor. Issues centred in her work include boundary setting, making friends and building community, and the impacts of trauma, violence and oppression. She's our hype woman today for building better boundaries with our parents.
I happened to see on Instagram that Jordan is once again offering her 2hr online workshop, Build Better Boundaries, on Friday, November 15, 2024. It's recorded in case you can't make it live, and it’s less than $40 Canadian!
In that workshop, you’ll map your current relationship dynamics, you’ll uncover your personal boundaries blueprint, and craft a personalized boundaries action plan. In other words, you’re going to get yourself out of the freeze response, and lay the critical groundwork for success so that when you actually do the thing, you are mobilized and confident and ready to handle whatever happens next.
Enjoy this conversation as a warm-up: You'll hear me share about my own journey of setting boundaries, more than a decade of estrangement from my mom, and repair with impacted family members. Jordan shares about her family's style of "enmeshment", the experience of being a first daughter, and cultural factors as a person of mixed race.
It's an honest and tender conversation, and I'm happy to hear how it lands for you: Click here to leave me a voice note or written message!
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Sep 14, 2024 • 24min
TNP236 Intro to Tarot: The History of Tarot Deck Design with Carmen Spagnola
Welcome back to the second of this teensy tiny Tarot miniseries. Remember, we're continuing our Tarot journey in The Numinous Network throughout the fall and into the new year. Join us for this deep dive! All classes are recorded and archived with no time limit for viewing.
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Sep 11, 2024 • 33min
TNP235 Intro to Tarot: The Arcane Origins + Mythology of the Tarot with Carmen Spagnola
This is actually an excerpt from a now-retired course I used to have called Intro to Tarot. You'll get all the backstory of that in this episode, but the main content here is about the history of the Tarot going all the way back to a syncretic figure called "Hermes Trismegistus" who was not a singular person but rather a collective of writing by powerful magi, like how Homer is not actually one writer but ratherthe combined works of several bards over centuries...It's mysterious and fascinating and I hope you enjoy this sweet lil artifact from my archive!
Stay tuned for part two on the proliferation of decks across the globe and through the ages, from the Sola Busca deck of the Renaissance to the icon and groundbreaking Rider Waite Smith, to today's artist-driven marketplace of Post Modern decks! Subscribe to this podcast to get that episode automatically in your podcast player.
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May 31, 2024 • 1h 15min
TNP234 Unlearning Fatphobia + Embracing Pleasure with Dawn Serra
My guest today is Clinical Counsellor, relationship therapist, and fat activist, Dawn Serra. Dawn offers trauma-informed, weight-neutral, radical mental health care, particularly for those in larger and marginalized bodies. I super enjoyed this conversation about fatphobia, anti-Blackness, ableism, disability, perimenopause, Ozempic and cultivating a kinder relationship with our ever-changing bodies.
Connect with Dawn at tendandcultivate.com
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Referenced in this episode
Mia Mingus, disability rights activist and contributor to Octavia's Brood with her story, Hollow
Gloria Lucas of Nalgona Positivity Pride
Sabrina Strings and her book, Fearing the Black Body
Da'Shaun Harrison, Belly of the Beast
Sonalee Rashatwar @thefatsextherapist
Tressie McMillan Cottom, THICK and Other Essays
Culture Work on TikTok and Substack
Betty Martin
Dr. Asher Larmie, The Fat Doctor (their Ozempic masterclass is listed here)
Zena Sharman, The Care We Dream of: Liberatory and Transformative Approaches to LGBTQ+ Health
Ep229: What it Feels Like For A Girl with Emelia Symington Fedy on sex and pressure
Ash of The Fat Lip - A Fat Liberation Podcast came up with the infinifat classification - details about the history are here:
--- https://fluffykittenparty.com/2021/06/01/fategories-understanding-smallfat-fragility-the-fat-spectrum/
--- https://cherrymax.medium.com/community-origins-of-the-term-superfat-9e98e1b0f201
Covid PSA:
WHO technical document
University of Bristol study
Elevator Covid transmission study
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May 23, 2024 • 1h 3min
TNP233 Understanding Moral Injury with Dr.Robyn Walser
We're not afraid of grappling with the tough stuff here on The Numinous Podcast! In this episode we're engaging with high stakes violations of values and betrayals that lead to Moral Injury.
Moral Injury can occur when you do or fail to do something, when you witness something, or when you hear about something after the fact, that violates your deeply held beliefs and values in a high stakes context.
Certainly healthcare practitioners and mental health professionals will be interested in this discussion, but also anyone who has grappled with moral emotions like outrage, shame, guilt, and remorse.
Moral injury is a social wound that helps the collective stay co-operative. Grappling with Moral Injury is a civic responsibility – a moral obligation as our guest says – and a sign of a healthy pro-social individual.
Our guest on this episode is Dr.Robyn Walser, a licensed psychologist and co-author of 7 books on Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (commonly known as ACT). She has most recently written a book entitled,The Heart of ACT: Developing a Flexible, Process-Based, and Client-Centered Practice Using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. She’s an Assistant Professor at the University of California, Berkeley, the Director of TL Psychological and Consultation Services, and works at the National Center for PTSD. Dr. Walser has been offering ACT workshops since 1998.
Referenced in this episode
Case Conceptualizing in Acceptance and Commitment therapy for Moral Injury: An Active and On-Going Approach to Understanding and Intervening on Moral Injury, by Jacob Farnsworth, Lauren Borges, Sean Barnes and Kent Drescher and Robyn Walser
The Moral Injury Workbook: Acceptance and Commitment Therapy Skills for Moving Beyond Shame, Anger and Trauma to Reclaim Your Values by Robyn Walser, Wyatt Evans, Kent Drescher, Jacob Farnsworth
The Heart of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy: A Talk by Robyn Walser (YouTube)
The Moral Injury Course
• Become a member of The Numinous Network and begin a supportive somatic practice ahead of the live sessions. Group somatic practice sessions happen Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays.
• If appropriate, begin The Safe & Sound Protocol (included in membership) to support nervous system resilience.
• Attend the live sessions, starting in June. Live Sessions form a sequential series of psychoeducation and progressively layered activities:
Friday, June 28, 10-11am PT
Saturday, June 29, 9-9:45am PT
Sunday, June 30, 10-10:45am PT
Monday, July 1, 10-10:30am PT (optional for additional or catch-up work)
Fridays, July 5, 12, 19, 26, 10-11am PT
Live sessions will be recorded and archived for later viewing at your convenience.
• Optional: Stay on with us for aftercare! In August, we're streamlining the calendar and focusing on somatic practice and weightlifting. (Discharging anger by lifting heavy shit!) In September, the full calendar of events is back up and running, with additional SSP co-listening sessions to support nervous system regulation ahead of the American election season.
The Moral Injury course is included in Numinous Network membership which is offered at a sliding scale from $45 - $75 US per month, providing access to over 30 live events and over 50 hours of video on-demand.
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May 23, 2024 • 46min
TNP232 Be the Fire, Be the Medicine with Asha Frost
This episode is going to be a very special one for all the listeners who live with chronic illness and all the listeners with Indigenous heritage. These stories and experiences are interwoven in my conversation today with Anishinaabe medicine woman, Asha Frost.
Asha Frost (she/her) is a member of the Chippewas of Nawash First Nation. She’s a longtime healer working with homeopathy, plant medicine, and ceremony. She’s also the author of the bestselling book, You Are the Medicine: 13 Moons of Indigenous Wisdom, Ancestral Connection, and Animal Spirit Guidance, as well as the Sacred Medicine Oracle Deck.
This is real talk about living with chronic illness, and about white supremacy and colonialism in the wellness industry and the medical field.
In this episode, we explore the perennial paradox of any health diagnosis: the tension/balance between accepting the reality of chronic illness while also reaching towards healing.
Throughout, Asha shares some of the medicines that can be helpful on this journey.
Connect with Asha
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May 18, 2024 • 1h 29min
TNP231 Attachment in Community Organizing with Aurelie Richards
Mental health professional and somatic coach, Aurelie Richards, is back on the show and we’re talking about secure attachment in movement work – community organizing, workplace unionizing.
How can we do this in a way that's sensitive to the realities of interpersonal neurobiology? In a way that recognizes the value of presencing secure attachment in an environment that naturally brings up unresolved trauma, lack of safeness, perhaps even hostility?
The topic of our show today is very aligned with the energy of the Beltane season, particularly the weaving of the labour movement and other liberatory movements with the energies of spring, collective mobilization, and ecstatic, creative union.
We get into the nitty gritty of working with a disorganized attachment field within movement work.
We dive into astromagic as part of our organizing strategy.
We discuss the intricacies of power mapping in groups and organizations.
It's a juicy case study of Aurelie's labour organizing experience in a German context with lots for us to learn!
Connect with Aurelie
For resilience coaching, somatics, and burnout prevention visit Aurelie's website.
Aurelie's resilience workshops, team building, and wellness in the workplace offerings
Her anarcho queer feminist health collective is actively seeking new members in Berlin!
Folks can direct questions or reach out for support to post@aurelierichards.com.
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