
The Numinous Podcast
The Numinous Podcast is a show about intuition, spirituality and the mystery of life. The host, Carmen Spagnola, is an intersectional witch and clinical hypnotherapist who has smart, soulful conversations with interesting people. The lineup is diverse, the topics are eclectic, and the people are down-to-earth (mostly).
Latest episodes

Apr 28, 2018 • 21min
TNP110 Tending The Threshold With Desiree Adaway
Tending The Threshold is an event happening in Ashland, Oregon, on May 26 and 27th, 2018. Tickets can information can be found at tendingthethreshold.com
It is a gathering of Change-makers, Bridge builders and Edge Dwellers, with no agenda other than to practice being together, and to learn how to take care of each other and the world, in these challenging times.
The container at this un-conference will be held by a group of ten co-facilitators from three countries and many walks of life. The group includes:
Poet and spoken word artist, Tannur Ali
Conflict Engagement and Resolution practitioner, Aftab Erfan
Equity and Inclusion Consultant, Desiree Adaway
Clinical Psychologist and Author, Bayo Akomolafe
Social Entrepreneur, Donnie Maclurcan
Artist and Death Doula, Rachael Rice
Educator, facilitator and Indigenous rights activist, Aaron Ortega
Videographer and artist, Bec Stupak
Therapist, ritualist and conference founder, Holly Truhlar
And myself, Carmen Spagnola.
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Desiree Adaway is a Principal of The Adaway Group, a minority and woman owned consulting firm that brings together multi-racial teams to work on projects related to racial equity and social justice. With over 20 years experience creating, leading and managing international, multicultural teams through major organizational changes in over 40 countries, she is uniquely qualified to partner with talented leaders to successfully navigate through integrations, reorganizations, and all stages of organizational evolution. She works from an intersectional perspective, which believes that organizations thrive when they build cultures that are inclusive of wide ranging ethnic, racial, gender, sexual, religious, and national identities and abilities.
http://desireeadaway.com

Apr 27, 2018 • 29min
TNP109 Tending The Threshold with Rachael Rice and Bec Stupak
Tending The Threshold is an event happening in Ashland, Oregon, on May 26 and 27th, 2018. Tickets can information can be found at tendingthethreshold.com
It is a gathering of Change-makers, Bridge builders and Edge Dwellers, with no agenda other than to practice being together, and to learn how to take care of each other and the world, in these challenging times.
The container at this un-conference will be held by a group of ten co-facilitators from three countries and many walks of life. The group includes:
Poet and spoken word artist, Tannur Ali
Conflict Engagement and Resolution practitioner, Aftab Erfan
Equity and Inclusion Consultant, Desiree Adaway
Clinical Psychologist and Author, Bayo Akomolafe
Social Entrepreneur, Donnie Maclurcan
Artist and Death Doula, Rachael Rice
Educator, facilitator and Indigenous rights activist, Aaron Ortega
Videographer and artist, Bec Stupak
Therapist, ritualist and conference founder, Holly Truhlar
And myself, Carmen Spagnola.
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Rachael Rice is a full-time artist, musician, writer, educator and death doula. Her work lies at the crossroads of grief, radical togetherness, creative expression, death, learning, and magic. Her background is in critical pedagogy and constructivist theory where she specialized in differentiated instruction and educating for democracy with concentrations in Art and English. She spent over 20 years in the classroom as a certified, licensed public school art teacher, as well as in after-school and out-of-school community-based arts programs that serve primarily at-risk youth, folks with disabilities and low-income communities. She also worked in the social enterprise non-profit startup world implementing systems to support communities our current systems have failed.
http://rachaelrice.com
Bec Stupak is an artist, musician and videographer who's work is based on visioning, magic, ritual and ecstatic play. Her focus has been on depicting liminal spaces and transporting the viewer into the non-ordinary through the experience of her work. She was a Deitch Projects artist, exhibited at the Whitney Biennial and has been a primary member of the Joshua Light Show. Most recently she has been exploring expressions of gratitude and the experience of ceremony through a series of drawings that are transformed into wearable prayers.
http://www.becstupak.com

Apr 27, 2018 • 22min
TNP108 Tending The Threshold with Donnie Maclurcan
Tending The Threshold is an event happening in Ashland, Oregon, on May 26 and 27th, 2018. Tickets can information can be found at tendingthethreshold.com
It is a gathering of Change-makers, Bridge builders and Edge Dwellers, with no agenda other than to practice being together, and to learn how to take care of each other and the world, in these challenging times.
The container at this un-conference will be held by a group of ten co-facilitators from three countries and many walks of life. The group includes:
Poet and spoken word artist, Tannur Ali
Conflict Engagement and Resolution practitioner, Aftab Erfan
Equity and Inclusion Consultant, Desiree Adaway
Clinical Psychologist and Author, Bayo Akomolafe
Social Entrepreneur, Donnie Maclurcan
Artist and Death Doula, Rachael Rice
Educator, facilitator and Indigenous rights activist, Aaron Ortega
Videographer and artist, Bec Stupak
Therapist, ritualist and conference founder, Holly Truhlar
And myself, Carmen Spagnola.
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Donnie Maclurcan, PhD, is an author and social entrepreneur. He is passionate about all things not-for-profit. Originally from Australia, he moved to the U.S. in 2013, from where he runs the Post Growth Institute, exploring how we accelerate the shift to a thriving, prosperous society within ecological limits. As a consultant, Donnie has helped more than 400 not-for-profit projects start, scale and sustain their work, while his own initiatives include developing: Free Money Day, the Post Growth Alliance, the (En)Rich List, the Offers and Needs Market process, Cascades Hub, and Project Australia. Affiliate Professor of Social Science at Southern Oregon University, Donnie holds a Ph.D. in social science, with his research having explored nanotechnology’s implications for global inequality. He is currently completing his third book: How on Earth: Our future is not for profit.
https://www.postgrowth.org

Apr 27, 2018 • 22min
TNP107 Tending The Threshold with Aaron Ortega
Tending The Threshold is an event happening in Ashland, Oregon, on May 26 and 27th, 2018. Tickets can information can be found at tendingthethreshold.com
It is a gathering of Change-makers, Bridge builders and Edge Dwellers, with no agenda other than to practice being together, and to learn how to take care of each other and the world, in these challenging times.
The container at this un-conference will be held by a group of ten co-facilitators from three countries and many walks of life. The group includes:
Poet and spoken word artist, Tannur Ali
Conflict Engagement and Resolution practitioner, Aftab Erfan
Equity and Inclusion Consultant, Desiree Adaway
Clinical Psychologist and Author, Bayo Akomolafe
Social Entrepreneur, Donnie Maclurcan
Artist and Death Doula, Rachael Rice
Educator, facilitator and Indigenous rights activist, Aaron Ortega
Videographer and artist, Bec Stupak
Therapist, ritualist and conference founder, Holly Truhlar
And myself, Carmen Spagnola.
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Aaron Ortega is a Pacific Northwest Native who has spent 25 years facilitating educational and experiential forums for the reclamation, preservation, and integration of Indigenous insights. Ortega is one of the founding members of 'Inside Circle', the recent subject of the award winning documentary 'The Work', a film about the benefits of skilled confrontational inquiry for men within a maximum security prison. Aaron co-created cross-cultural rites of passage with Dallas Chief Eagle for the 'All Nations Training Center.' Recently, he has been offering consultations, special one-day events, and a two day 'movement' course for Women, 'Way of the Luminous Warrior'. He lives in Southern Oregon.

Apr 26, 2018 • 30min
TNP106 Tending The Threshold with Aftab Erfan
Tending The Threshold is an event happening in Ashland, Oregon, on May 26 and 27th, 2018. Tickets can information can be found at tendingthethreshold.com
It is a gathering of Change-makers, Bridge builders and Edge Dwellers, with no agenda other than to practice being together, and to learn how to take care of each other and the world, in these challenging times.
The container at this un-conference will be held by a group of ten co-facilitators from three countries and many walks of life. The group includes:
Poet and spoken word artist, Tannur Ali
Conflict Engagement and Resolution practitioner, Aftab Erfan
Equity and Inclusion Consultant, Desiree Adaway
Clinical Psychologist and Author, Bayo Akomolafe
Social Entrepreneur, Donnie Maclurcan
Artist and Death Doula, Rachael Rice
Educator, facilitator and Indigenous rights activist, Aaron Ortega
Videographer and artist, Bec Stupak
Therapist, ritualist and conference founder, Holly Truhlar
And myself, Carmen Spagnola.
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Aftab Erfan, PhD, is a scholar-practitioner working in the areas of community engagement, conflict resolution, strategic planning, intercultural diversity, and leadership development for social transformation. Her facilitation approach is based in various methodologies including Deep Democracy, the Art of Hosting and Harvesting, Theory U, Action Inquiry and the Expressive Arts field. She is often called in as a facilitator when there is a large degree of complexity, when there are divisive issues within a group, or when a group simply needs help to connect on a deeper level. She has facilitated large group decision-making and conflict resolution in high-stakes situations, including in the Middle East.
http://wholepicturethinking.com

Apr 26, 2018 • 17min
TNP105 Tending The Threshold With Tannur Shewrightz Ali
Tending The Threshold is an event happening in Ashland, Oregon, on May 26 and 27th, 2018. Tickets can information can be found at tendingthethreshold.com
It is a gathering of Change-makers, Bridge builders and Edge Dwellers, with no agenda other than to practice being together, and to learn how to take care of each other and the world, in these challenging times.
The container at this un-conference will be held by a group of ten co-facilitators from three countries and many walks of life. The group includes:
Poet and spoken word artist, Tannur Ali
Conflict Engagement and Resolution practitioner, Aftab Erfan
Equity and Inclusion Consultant, Desiree Adaway
Clinical Psychologist and Author, Bayo Akomolafe
Social Entrepreneur, Donnie Maclurcan
Artist and Death Doula, Rachael Rice
Educator, facilitator and Indigenous rights activist, Aaron Ortega
Videographer and artist, Bec Stupak
Therapist, ritualist and conference founder, Holly Truhlar
And myself, Carmen Spagnola.
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Tannur “Shewrightz” Ali is the emcee and story weaver for our conference. She's a poet, workshop facilitator and vessel of divine flow. She has been featured in every region of the country, as well as in Europe, stunning audiences with the insightful power of her words and voice. Tannur’s "Dancing Between Realms National Tour" visited 25 cities throughout the U.S. during 2016-17. The tour came on the heels of her winning the 2016 International Poetry Slam in Bled, Slovenia. A prolific writer and relationship-builder, Tannur uses her poetry and poetic spirit as a force for engaging creative energy and power, and as a rallying cry to build artistic and civic community.
https://www.shewrightz.com
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https://tendingthethreshold.com

Apr 11, 2018 • 39min
TNP104 Magical Cookery Ecofeminism with Danielle Prohom Olson
I’m delighted to share with you this vibrant, passionate and also at times very tender conversation I had with Danielle Prohom Olson of Gather. Danielle is a wildcrafter and herbalist, and Gather is her creative collaboration with Jennifer Aikman, where they teach, write, and host events dedicated to ancestral foods, magical cookery and seasonal celebrations.
Thousands of people around the world follow and appreciate their work through their website and newsletter, as well as their Patreon and Facebook accounts. But for me, what really comes through their work, is that Gather is about more than just events and recipes and articles.
Check out Danielle's essay, The Magical Herstory of Food.

Apr 10, 2018 • 54min
TNP103 Witchcraft and Parenting Wisdom with Beth John Threlfall
This is a long-overdue episode. Two of my city's most interesting residents live right next door and we've finally had a chance to sit down for a proper interview. An artist and mother, Beth Threlfall is a black cord priestess with Thirteenth House Mystery School in Victoria BC. She works hard to bring her art into the world on a day-to-day basis: believing that art is a way of living — not a thing to do — has helped her experience community through her artistic practice. She is also a children’s art instructor with the non-profit organization ArtsReach, and works with the Pandora Arts Collective in her home community of Fernwood. Beth is best known as the originator of Fernwood’s famous Pole Painting Project, which she started back in 2008 and has not only transformed the look and feel of the streets in her neighbourhood but has also inspired residents to artistically engage with and participate in their local surroundings. A practicing witch since his initiation in 1986, John Threlfall is a black cord priest with Thirteenth House Mystery School. A freelance writer for nearly 30 years, John has had a typically eclectic career—including working as a stage manager, wedding DJ, technical director for a haunted Gold Rush theatre, co-host of a motorcycle TV show, four seasons as the on-air "walking encyclopedia of popular culture" for CBC Radio's Definitely Not the Opera, and 12 years as a staff writer for Monday Magazine, where he ultimately wound up being Editor-in-Chief. He’s currently the Special Projects and Communications Officer for the Faculty of Fine Arts at the University of Victoria, and has been teaching with UVic’s Department of Writing since 2006. Thirteenth House Mystery School is one of the Victoria's oldest and largest covens. Started in 1993, Thirteenth House has also been running introductory public classes in the practice of witchcraft since 1998.

Apr 9, 2018 • 1h 4min
TNP102 Sarah Selecky Radiant Shimmering Light
Sarah Selecky is the author of This Cake Is for The Party, a finalist for the Scotiabank Giller Prize, arguably Canada's highest literary award. The New York Times called her stories "utterly fascinating".
Sarah is also the founder of the Sarah Selecky Writing School. I've always loved its tag line, Write what you want to read.
I have to say, though, that I'm quite taken aback that Sarahs new novel, Radiant Shimmering Light, is exactly what I want to read. I couldn't put it down! I devoured it in two sittings stopping only to sleep. I was absolutely taken in by the story, the characters, the details and the familiarity of this work. This world is so familiar to me that when the scenes weren't totally cracking me up, it was because they were making me really uncomfortable.
Radiant Shimmering Light is going to be found in the Womens Literature section of your local bookstore, what is often called ChickLit. For the past fifteen years I have read almost exclusively works of non-fiction. And I rarely wander the shelves of the bookstore looking for feel-good beach reads. But if you listen to this podcast, you need to buy this book. Sarah wrote this book for us. She gets us. She's one of us. She has written what we want to read, a story about us.
Find out all about Sarah's work at sarahselecky.com

Mar 30, 2018 • 52min
TNP101 Layla Kristy Feghali on Plantcestral Medicine
Let's talk about talking to plants. Like, really being in relationship with the plant realm. My guest today is Layla Kristy Feghali, of River Rose Apothecary. I was drawn to seek out Layla as a guest because of her beautifully soft, gentle, and sweet relationship with plants and in particular, one of my favourites, roses.