
The Numinous Podcast
The Numinous Podcast is a show about intuition, spirituality and the mystery of life. The host, Carmen Spagnola, is an intersectional witch and clinical hypnotherapist who has smart, soulful conversations with interesting people. The lineup is diverse, the topics are eclectic, and the people are down-to-earth (mostly).
Latest episodes

Jun 7, 2025 • 2h 1min
TNP270 Art, Pleasure and Consent with Marisa Sullivan
{Content Warning} Discussion of sexual abuse, assault and yoga cults. Please take good care of yourself if you feel vulnerable or distressed with these topics. Press pause, stand up and walk around, bring on your arms and legs. Walk forward while looking forward. Say to yourself, I am not prey.
In this episode, we refer to Matthew Remski's exposé: Practice And All Is Coming: Abuse, Cult Dynamics, And Healing In Yoga And Beyond
You may also wish to listen to my conversation with him about this topic, ep. TNP116 Matthew Remski on Attachment High Demand Communities and Yogas Culture Of Abuse
Let's take a cinematic journey in time from childhood as the daughter of artists in small town Massachusetts in the 70s, to the 1980s Tribeca loft art scene, to the East Village of the 1990s as a provocative film and movement artist becoming involved in yoga, butoh, and sexual liberation. Our protagonist is Marisa Sullivan, a somatic and sexual health practitioner and one of our Guides in The Numinous Network.
Marisa is a Sexual Empowerment and Intimacy Educator and an Embodiment and Movement Facilitator. She counsels how to maximize the magic and medicine of sexual juiciness, how to be authentic in our sexual expression, inhabiting our yes and no, and understanding the power of pleasure, not just in Sexuality, but Joy and Pleasure in our bodies and everyday life.
Her certifications include multiple yoga systems, pelvic floor yoga, Reiki Masters, Womb/Perineal Steaming, deep study of The Wheel of Consent with Betty Martin, training in Psychodrama, breathwork for trance, and a Masters in Theater for Educational and Therapeutic Use. Marisa is the mother of a teen, lives with multiple chronic illnesses, and is queer.
{Special Bonus Rant} At the end of this episode, I provide a little critical analysis of patriarchal conduct online, seasoned with several F-bombs, about leaving reviews on books. 🔥
Learn more and book a 1:1 with Marisa: https://www.marisasullivanhealing.com/
Follow her on Instagram to hear about upcoming workshops and online courses: @marisasullivan1
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May 23, 2025 • 57min
TNP269 Navigating Emergencies with Christi Jarland Advice from a Former 911 Operator
In this conversation, former emergency dispatch supervisor, current somatic mentor, and one of the hosts of The Numinous Network, Christi Jarland, shares insights from her multi-decade career as a frontline worker on some of people's toughest days.
Christi is a mentor who blends 20 years of crisis-response experience as a 911 telecommunications leader with training in occupational therapy, psychology, somatic work and energy practices. Her work is shaped by these experiences as well as a lifelong instinct to listen deeply, sense energy and hold steady space.
In this episode, Christi shares tips on how to stay focused and grounded when navigating an emergency and calling for help.
We also map the somatic and stress management advice onto the large scale dilemmas of collapse – what lessons can we learn and take with us as we move through the world, trying to be of help? What matters most when we're coming out the other side of an emergency situation?
I found this conversation really brought my situational awareness into focus and offered many good reminders for how and who I want to be in an emergency.
We laughed! We cried! It was thought-provoking and tender.
When you sign up for The Numinous Network, Christi is one of the people right there to lend a helping hand and support to navigate the platform. She can help you discern how to make the most out of your investment while staying within your energetic capacity.
In this episode, you'll hear and understand why I trust her with this important job – you'll really feel held in a capable embrace. 🥰
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🔗 Check out Christi's website and somatic mentorship offerings
Currently, Christi offers monthly mentoring, one-to-one sessions, and free monthly drop-ins. You can also listen to her read her monthly musings newsletter, and there's always a new meditation included in it.
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May 2, 2025 • 1h 34min
TNP268 When Personal and Collective Collapse Collide
My friends, I just do not have the brain glucose in me to try and cite references or resources for this episode. It's a personal update.
Content warning: Discussion of severe mental health challenges.
But in the end, I also share how I'm coping using post-its and catchphrases and the four-level framework (PEMS). I also share the vision we have for our land as a queer sanctuary for They/Thems interested in rural living in a neuroaffirming and validating environment with our family.
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Apr 12, 2025 • 58min
TNP267 The Body Is A Doorway with Sophie Strand
Sophie Strand, the author of 'The Body is a Doorway,' dives deep into complex topics surrounding health, trauma, and spirituality. She challenges conventional notions of health and critiques the pursuit of medical diagnoses while advocating for a compassionate understanding of chronic illness. The conversation addresses the impact of capitalism on wellness, the intersection of grief and joy, and the importance of authentic storytelling as a healing tool. Strat's insights encourage embracing challenges and fostering personal growth through creative expression.

Jan 8, 2025 • 1h 26min
TNP266 Ritual of the Marriage Moon with Carmen & Ruben
This is a conversation about the ritual my husband and I devised – mentioned briefly in my new book, Spells for the Apocalypse – and which we've shared with many friends who've heard us refer to it, who've asked us how to do it, or for advice on what we've done when our marriage was on the rocks. We touch on topics like the real estate market, intergenerational trauma, neurodiversity, astrocartography, collapse-oriented choices we've made, attachment and the somatic cycle – all my favourite things!
This ritual was a "Hail Mary" move in our marriage. Granted, we've never dealt with infidelity or lies, and we've always had a foundational respect. We really, genuinely like each other which, sadly, not all couples can say.
However, patriarchy is still in play, what with us both steeped in this patriarchal culture. And trauma always lurks in the shadows. And attachment is a dynamic force that can sometimes be stretched too thin.
So here's the breakdown of the ritual we've done in desperate times, why we think it worked/works, and the impact it's had on our marriage. We call it The Ritual of the Marriage Moon.
We begin with a little context around why we needed the ritual in the first place, and how it's still serving us many years later.
Referenced in this episode:
Diane Poole Heller's somatic attachment therapy training
Portrait of a Marriage podcast miniseries
Portrait of a Marriage article
The Roots of Addiction in Free Market Society by Bruce Alexander
The Numinous Network (where you can access my two attachment courses: Secure and Contact Nutrition 101)
*Not referenced in this article but definitely related and recommended for man-identified folks who want to learn more: Bear Hebert's course, Undoing Patriarchy
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Jan 1, 2025 • 19min
TNP265 {The Spirit of Yuletide Miniseries} Part 18: Oath-Making & Visioning the Year Ahead (Jan 1)
On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century, Timothy Snyder
Donate to the Amazon Labour Union
Get involved in your local 4H Club in Canada or the US!
Buy The Spirited Kitchen: Recipes & Rituals for the Wheel of the Year
Buy Spells for the Apocalypse: Practical Magic for Turbulent Times (publication date: Jan.14, 2025)
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Dec 31, 2024 • 21min
TNP264 {The Spirit of Yuletide Miniseries} Part 17: Celebrating in Community (Dec 31)
Buy The Spirited Kitchen: Recipes & Rituals for the Wheel of the Year
Buy Spells for the Apocalypse: Practical Magic for Turbulent Times (publication date: Jan.14, 2025)
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Dec 30, 2024 • 14min
TNP263 {The Spirit of Yuletide Miniseries} Part 16: Honouring the Beloved Dead (Dec 30)
Buy Aly Halpert's song or album, Loosen, on Bandcamp
The Spirited Kitchen: Recipes & Rituals for the Wheel of the Year
Spells for the Apocalypse: Practical Magic for Turbulent Times (publication date: Jan.14, 2025)
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Dec 29, 2024 • 12min
TNP262 {The Spirit of Yuletide Miniseries} Part 15: Blessings & Bounty from the Earth (Dec 29)
Today we're doubling down on our protective plant magic to bolster our spiritual safeness while the veil remains thin. We also look at 'wassail' as a noun, verb, and greeting which is especially appropriate on the 9th night of Yule which is associated with the 9th month of the year – the apple-iest month there is – September.
Buy The Spirited Kitchen: Recipes & Rituals for the Wheel of the Year
Pre-order Spells for the Apocalypse: Practical Magic for Turbulent Times (publication date: Jan.14, 2025)
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Dec 28, 2024 • 9min
TNP261 {The Spirit of Yuletide Miniseries} Part 14: Tending to Hearth & Home (Dec 28)
In this episode, we're cleansing home and body with medicinal herbs by making vermouth, potpourri and incense in order to finish the year well.
Buy The Spirited Kitchen: Recipes & Rituals for the Wheel of the Year
Pre-order Spells for the Apocalypse: Practical Magic for Turbulent Times (publication date: Jan.14, 2025)
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