SpyCast

For SpyCast’s 20th year, we’re kicking off the season with Brian Carbaugh. After serving in the CIA for over two decades, he retired as Director of the Special Activities Center- the Agency’s arm for covert action, where some of the boldest and most dangerous work happens with authorization from the president. This is a world few know about firsthand, and even fewer can discuss. Brian sits down with Sasha to give an inside look at the job, which he held from 2017 to 2021-pivotal years in the United States and around the world. Subscribe to Sasha's Substack, HUMINT, to get more intelligence stories: https://sashaingber.substack.com/ For more information about the International Spy Museum, visit:  https://www.spymuseum.org/ And if you have feedback or want to hear about a particular topic,  you can reach us by email at spycast@spymuseum.org. This show is brought to you from Goat Rodeo, N2K Networks, and the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC. This episode was produced by Flora Warshaw and the team at Goat Rodeo. At the International Spy Museum, Mike Mincey and Memphis Vaughan III are our video editors. Emily Rens is our graphic designer. Joshua Troemel runs our SPY social media. Amanda Ohlke is our Director of Adult Education and Mira Cohen is the Vice President of Programs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Historian Jessica Douthwaite, curator of the John le Carré: Tradecraft exhibition, delves into the complexities of the renowned spy novelist's life. She shares insights on le Carré's research techniques and the influence of his father's criminal background. Douthwaite discusses how real espionage experiences shaped his writing, especially during the Cold War, and highlights his later criticism of political institutions. Listeners will discover how le Carré's meticulous methods translated into compelling narratives that reflect deep moral dilemmas.

Ivan Ingraham, a retired Marine Special Operations officer, led a team during Operation Odyssey Lightning in Libya. He shares gripping tales of coordinating strikes against ISIS in Sirte amidst chaos. Ivan delves into the complexities of working with local militias and the intelligence strategies employed before deployment. He recounts the precision airstrike that turned the tide and discusses the brutal urban warfare tactics of ISIS. Reflecting on his experience, he emphasizes the importance of trust, listening, and adapting strategies in conflict zones.

Bobby Livingston, a veteran auctioneer, led the captivating sale of Jim Sanborn's Kryptos archive, including the key to the long-unsolved K4. He shares insights on the mystique surrounding Kryptos at the CIA and Sanborn's quest for clues. Bobby discusses the intense auction dynamics that culminated in a staggering $962,000 sale and the array of items the buyer received. With a passion for puzzles and cryptography, he highlights why code-breaking continues to fascinate people, from military secrets to historical artifacts.

Bob Wallace, the former director of the CIA's Office of Technical Service, shares thrilling insights from his clandestine career. He discusses how he was selected for a role like 'Q' despite being an outsider. From innovative tactics using steganography to inserting listening devices in crucifixes, Bob recounts impressive operations, including using concealed trackers in awards to locate terrorists. He also explores the evolution of technology in spycraft, emphasizing adapting to rapid advancements like AI and maintaining unique operations in a world of surveillance.

Charlie English, an author and investigative journalist specializing in intelligence, shares insights from his book on the CIA's covert QRHELPFUL program. This intriguing initiative smuggled around 10 million books into the Soviet Bloc during the Cold War, using creative methods like balloon drops and secret networks. Charlie reveals how literature aimed to inspire dissent against communism, discusses key figures like George Minden, and highlights the internal debates within the CIA about the program's effectiveness and funding.

For decades, California-based engineer Chi Mak quietly stole secrets on war-fighting technologies. He and his family members shared the intelligence with spies in China, giving Beijing astounding insights they hadn’t earned. Former FBI Special Agent James Gaylord takes us back to the elaborate investigation in 2004. Evidence gathered by his squad, call sign “SARA-4,” broke a string of FBI failures in the courtroom. Chi went to prison, but new problems arose. Jim’s account is documented in his book, Chasing Chi. Subscribe to Sasha's Substack, HUMINT, to get more intelligence stories: https://sashaingber.substack.com/ And if you have feedback or want to hear about a particular topic,  you can reach us by E-mail at SpyCast@Spymuseum.org,  This show is brought to you from Goat Rodeo, Airwave, and the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No other American has a family history quite like Christine Kuehn. Through years of doing painstaking interviews, hunting down letters, and pouring through FBI records, Christine learned that her German-born aunt had a fling with Nazi politician Joseph Goebbels. When he found out she was half-Jewish, Goebbels sent the family to Hawaii to spy. After Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, Christine’s grandfather was found guilty of providing intelligence to the Japanese. In this episode we hear how Christine Kuehn strung together her family secrets to tell her family history in her book, Family of Spies, which is coming out November 25th.  Subscribe to Sasha's Substack, HUMINT, to get more intelligence stories: https://sashaingber.substack.com/ And if you have feedback or want to hear about a particular topic,  you can reach us by E-mail at SpyCast@Spymuseum.org,  This show is brought to you from Goat Rodeo, Airwave, and the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In our last episode, author Stuart Reid peeled back the curtain on 'The Lumumba Plot,' the CIA’s plan to assassinate Patrice Lumumba, the first democratically-elected Prime Minister of the Congo. Station Chief Larry Devlin was central to the CIA’s 1960 assassination plot. He never had to carry it out, but Lumumba was later killed in another plot that Devlin knew about, according to diplomatic cables released in 2013. Today, we'll share more of our conversation with Stuart Reid. But first, we’re going back into our archives to bring you Devlin in his own words. In 2007, a year before he passed away, Devlin sat down with the International Spy Museum's Founding Director Peter Earnest to talk about his time in the Congo. Subscribe to Sasha's Substack, HUMINT, to get more intelligence stories: https://sashaingber.substack.com/ And if you have feedback or want to hear about a particular topic,  you can reach us by E-mail at SpyCast@Spymuseum.org,  This show is brought to you from Goat Rodeo, Airwave, and the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Congo was just gaining its independence from Belgium in 1960 when its first democratically elected leader, Patrice Lumumba, faced an existential crisis: mutiny in his new army, followed by an unwelcome intervention by Belgian forces. Lumumba had hoped the U.S. would help, but when Washington turned its back, Lumumba turned to Moscow. And so began a CIA operation to assassinate Lumumba to stop the feared spread of Communism in Africa. The story is documented in The Lumumba Plot, a book by author Stuart Reid.  Subscribe to Sasha's Substack, HUMINT, to get more intelligence stories: https://sashaingber.substack.com/ And if you have feedback or want to hear about a particular topic,  you can reach us by E-mail at SpyCast@Spymuseum.org This show is brought to you from Goat Rodeo, Airwave, and the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices