
The Starfish and the Church
The Starfish and the Church podcast is a mix of interviews and storytelling where hosts Rob Wegner and Lance Ford explore a paradigm shift away from modern, hierarchical structures of leadership to a radical Jesus-centered, starfish approach. Like the podcast, check out more at thestarfishandthespirit.com
Latest episodes

Apr 29, 2021 • 47min
Scot McKnight
In this episode, Rob and Lance interview Scot McKnight. Dr. Scot McKnight is a world-renowned speaker, writer, professor and equipper of the Church. He is a recognized authority on the historical Jesus, early Christianity, and the New Testament. His blog, Jesus Creed, is a leading Christian blog.
Dr. McKnight’s most recent books include Reading Romans Backwards and Pastor Paul.
A sought after speaker, he has been interviewed on several radio and television programs as well as spoken at numerous local churches, conferences, colleges, and seminaries in the United States and around the world. Scot McKnight is a member of the Society of Biblical Literature and the Society for New Testament Studies.

Apr 22, 2021 • 39min
Shawn Lovejoy
In this episode, Rob and Lance interview Shawn Lovejoy. Shawn is the Founder & CEO of CourageToLead.com. His heart beats for coaching leaders through what keeps them up at night. Shawn has been a successful real estate developer, church planter, megachurch pastor, and successful entrepreneur and leadership coach. CourageToLead.com facilitates leadership growth and organizational health for leaders all around the globe.
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Apr 15, 2021 • 1h 4min
Book Tour: Exponential Conversation #3
In this episode of the Starfish and the Spirit, the authors have a third conversation with the Exponential community as they continue the book tour.
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Apr 8, 2021 • 1h 3min
Book Tour: Exponential Conversation #2
In this episode of the Starfish and the Spirit, the authors have a second conversation with the Exponential community.
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Apr 1, 2021 • 1h 3min
Book Launch!
A conversation with Rob, Lance and Alan with the Exponential Community.

Mar 25, 2021 • 39min
Peter Block
Peter Block is an author, consultant and citizen of Cincinnati, Ohio. His work is about chosen accountability, and the reconciliation of community. Peter is the author of several best selling books. Peter’s newest book is co-authored with Walter Brueggemann and John McKnight, An Other Kingdom: Departing the Consumer Culture, published by Wiley in 2016. The books are about ways to create workplaces and communities that work for all. They offer an alternative to the patriarchal beliefs that dominate our culture. His work is to bring change into the world through consent and connectedness rather than through mandate and force.

Mar 18, 2021 • 36min
Tod Bolsinger
Tod Bolsinger (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary) is a speaker, executive coach, former pastor, and author who serves as associate professor of leadership formation and senior fellow for the De Pree Center for Leadership at Fuller Seminary. He is the author of Canoeing the Mountains, which was named Outreach Magazine Resource of the Year in Pastoral Leadership, as well as the Christianity Today Award of Merit recipient It Takes a Church to Raise a Christian.
A frequent speaker and consultant, he serves as an executive coach for corporate, nonprofit, educational, and church organizations in transformational leadership. For seventeen years, he was the senior pastor of San Clemente Presbyterian Church in San Clemente, California, after serving for ten years at First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood. Tod and his wife, Beth, have two children. Like the podcast, check out more at thestarfishandthespirit.com

Mar 11, 2021 • 44min
Doug Kirkpatrick
Rob and Lance interview Doug Kirkpatrick. Doug co-founded the Morning Star Self-Management Institute, with the mission of instantiating organizational self-management principles with effective education, tools and practices. Like the podcast, check out more at thestarfishandthespirit.com

Mar 4, 2021 • 38min
Dave Ferguson
Dave Ferguson is a starfish leader. Dave is an author (Hero Maker and most recently BLESS), founding and lead pastor of Chicago’s Community Christian Church, a missional multi-site community considered one of the most influential churches in America. Dave is also the visionary for the international church-planting movement NewThing and president of the Exponential Conference.

Feb 25, 2021 • 53min
A Conversation with Rob, Lance and Alan
Rob, Lance and Alan talk about the history of the book, how it all came together, and how Jesus has informed their stories in such way to write this book for such a time as this.