Biohacker's Podcast

In this episode of the Biohacker's Podcast, Teemu Arina speaks with Matt Maruca, founder and CEO of Ra Optics, to examine the critical role light plays in human biology.Matt reframes light as a primary biological input that regulates circadian rhythm, hormone production, mitochondrial efficiency, and sleep quality. He explains how excessive exposure to artificial blue light (especially after sunset!) disrupts melatonin release and contributes to metabolic dysfunction, poor recovery, and chronic fatigue. Ra Optics was founded to address these challenges through scientifically engineered eyewear that selectively filters harmful wavelengths while preserving beneficial light.The discussion moves beyond blue light fear-mongering into practical circadian strategy. Matt emphasizes the importance of bright, full-spectrum light exposure during the day to anchor biological timing, while advocating warm, low-intensity lighting in the evening to support sleep. He highlights the role of red and near-infrared light in mitochondrial energy production and recovery, and cautions against low-quality lenses that distort vision or block indiscriminately.Looking forward, Matt envisions a future where personalized light environments - integrated with sleep and performance data - become central to health optimization. The episode concludes with a shared message: improving light hygiene is one of the highest-leverage, lowest-effort interventions available in modern biohacking.Learn more about Ra Optics at https://raoptics.com and follow Matt on Instagram: @thelightdiet!This conversation was recorded in October 2025.Check https://hololifesummit.com for upcoming events & tickets! Devices, supplements, guides, books & quality online courses for supporting your health & performance: https://hololifecenter.comKey moments and takeaways:00:00 – Introduction by Teemu Arina01:10 - Matt Maruca and the story of Raw Optics02:25 - Matt’s early health struggles04:00 - The impact of artificial light on health and well-being05:30 - The importance of aligning with natural circadian rhythms06:50 - Overview of the unique lenses produced by Ra Optics08:30 - Matt reflects on his experience at the 2018 Biohacker Summit10:20 - How mitochondrial dysfunction became a central focus for Matt12:15 - The limitations of Western medicine14:00 - Epigenetics and the relationship between diet, environment, and health16:00 - Mitochondrial function: the basis for energy production and health18:45 - How light frequency affects our biology and promotes healing20:30 - Matt’s collaboration with Dr. Jack Cruz and other luminaries in the field22:45 - The role of blue light in circadian rhythm regulation25:00 - Blue light as a form of environmental toxin and its consequences27:15 - Insights from Dr. Alexander Wunsch on photobiology and light effects30:00 - The dynamics of melatonin production and its health implications32:30 - Differentiating between blue light protection and traditional eye care34:15 - Understanding the types of blue light blocking lenses: sunset and daylight37:30 - The science behind Ra Optics’ lenses and their effectiveness40:00 - Testimonials from professional athletes using the eyewear42:45 - Discussion on emerging products: BlueSync lenses and their features45:15 - How lifestyle adaptations enhance wellness beyond dietary changes48:00 - The importance of community and collaboration in the biohacking field50:00 - Stylish designs of Ra Optics and celebrity collaborations52:15 - Viewer testimonials and personal experiences with the products55:00 - Conclusion and where to find more information on Ra Optics

In this episode of the Biohacker's Podcast, Teemu Arina is joined by Jan K. Górczyński - the founder and CEO of BeKeto, a leading brand in the keto and low-carb market across the UK and EU.In just five years, Jan expanded BeKeto to offer nearly 200 products across multiple categories, achieving a presence in 30 countries. As a serial entrepreneur, his companies generate over 10 million EUR in revenue. Jan is passionate about the execution in both life and business and is deeply committed to healthy living. He is an enthusiast of low-carb and keto diets, biohacking, and enjoys frequent sauna sessions.Teemu and Jan dive into the evolution of ketogenic nutrition, metabolic performance, and the data-driven approach behind BeKeto’s product line. Jan explains that the company emerged from a gap in the European market. By focusing on ingredient purity, transparent formulations, and repeated glucometer-based validation, BeKeto positioned itself as a trusted source for individuals pursuing sustained ketosis. The discussion emphasizes how stable energy, mental clarity, and appetite regulation arise when the body shifts from glucose dependency to ketone-driven metabolism.Teemu and Jan further explore the role of exogenous ketones, ketogenic snacks, and electrolyte formulations in supporting performance, recovery, and cognitive output. They highlight consumer misconceptions - particularly the confusion between “dirty keto” and true metabolic ketosis - and underscore the importance of consistency, clean ingredients, and adaptation support. Looking ahead, Jan predicts a convergence between ketogenic nutrition and continuous metabolic monitoring, enabling individuals to tailor diet and supplementation with precision. The episode concludes with a shared message: ketosis is most powerful when approached as a long-term, sustainable lifestyle rooted in intentional choices and measurable data.Learn more about BeKeto at https://beketo.uk and follow Jan on Instagram: @ketopresident!This conversation was recorded in October 2025.Check https://hololifesummit.com for upcoming events & tickets!Devices, supplements, guides, books & quality online courses for supporting your health & performance: https://hololifecenter.comKey moments and takeaways:00:00 – Introduction by Teemu Arina2:35 - The Science Behind Keto4:06 - Personal Keto Experiences8:04 - Keto for Productivity11:37 - The Role of Milk in Diet15:18 - Plant-Based Diets vs. Meat18:38 - Veganism: Beliefs and Nutritional Concerns21:29 - Nutritional Balance in Diets24:19 - BeKeto Products Overview30:52 - Importance of Moderation33:48 - Innovative Product Offerings38:53 - Benefits of the Keto Diet43:07 - Sustainable Keto Lifestyle46:49 - Final Thoughts and a special offer

In this episode of the Biohacker's Podcast, Teemu Arina, curator of the Hololife Summit, interviews Christian Drapeau, stem cell researcher and CEO of STEMREGEN.They dive into the emerging science of adult stem cells as a self-repair mechanism in the body, comparing it to the immune system. Christian explains that when injury or damage occurs, adult stem cells are released from the bone marrow, travel through the bloodstream, and contribute to tissue regeneration throughout the body.The conversation covers the synergy between stem cell activity and mitochondrial health, particularly focusing on NAD+ and energy metabolism. Christian highlights the difference between natural, daily enhancement of stem cell release through plant-based supplements versus one-time injections—which carry risks such as contamination or genetic instability. The episode also details STEMREGEN’s proprietary blends and ingredients designed to support stem cell release, circulation, and function. Christian discusses clinical results, dietary synergies (like seaweed, omega‑3s, and polyphenols), and a daily protocol aimed at optimizing repair, reducing inflammation, and promoting longevity from within.Christian and Teemu explore how lifestyle factors, nutrition, and targeted supplementation can naturally enhance stem cell release, migration, and function - without risky or expensive stem cell injections. Christian shares details on STEMREGEN’s formulations, including plant-based ingredients like fucoidan, aloe macroclada, and green tea polyphenols, and outlines a practical daily protocol for activating the body's self-renewing systems.Learn more about STEMREGEN at https://stemregen.co and follow Christian on Instagram: @stemcellchristian!This conversation was recorded in July 2025.Check https://hololifesummit.com for upcoming events & tickets!Devices, supplements, guides, books & quality online courses for supporting your health & performance: https://hololifecenter.comKey moments and takeaways:0:00 – Introduction by Teemu Arina 1:28 – Stem cells as a repair system 3:15 – History leading to stem cell science and modern applications 4:23 – Understanding adult stem cells vs. embryonic ones 5:52 – Clinical trials in chronic heart failure and Parkinson’s 7:01 – Age-related stem cell decline and its implications 9:01 – Natural reduction in stem cells and the need for support 10:13 – Daily cell turnover and role of stem cells in renewal 11:37 – How Christian boosted his own stem cell count 12:41 – Factors that reduce or support stem cell production 13:51 – Longevity benefits tied to functional repair, not anti-aging 15:06 – Aging reduces stem cell mobility and repair function 16:12 – Animal studies showing migration and tissue repair 17:31 – Food vs. pharmaceuticals in stem cell support 21:38 – STEMREGEN ingredients and supplement introduction 23:15 – How stem cells are attracted via receptor interaction 24:24 – Mechanism: stem cells homing in on injury sites 25:28 – How STEMREGEN activates targeted repair pathways 26:52 – Nutrients that boost stem cell circulation naturally 27:55 – Improving microcirculation to enhance stem cell activity 29:35 – Product safety, colostrum, and NSF certification 30:44 – Clinical study publication and product validation 32:18 – Attracting stem cells to problem areas effectively 33:23 – Signaling and directing stem cells in the body 34:41 – At what age should stem cell support begin? 35:49 – Athletes and stem cell usage under physical stress 37:14 – Aging and insufficient stem cells to offset degeneration 38:43 – Cardiovascular use case and stacking strategy 40:11 – Safety profile and tracking changes while using STEMREGEN 41:36 – Noticing tangible effects after repeated use 44:17 – Final thoughts on signaling, migration, and stem cell activation

In this episode of the Biohacker's Podcast, Teemu Arina speaks with Eduard de Wilde, CEO of Noordcode and Livehelfi and a luminary within the biohacking realm. Together, they reflect on the transformation of the biohacking industry over the last ten years. What was once a niche landscape filled with small brands and early adopters has now burgeoned into a maturing industry with substantial growth potential. Eduard highlights how the pandemic has accelerated this change, with more individuals embracing preventive health coaching and companies developing new wellness products.Eduard emphasizes the need for preventive health coaching, the influence of celebrities on health trends, and the importance of a narrative focused on vitality. He advocates for high-quality supplements and consumer education while addressing the challenges and opportunities in the wellness industry.Learn more about Eduard, NoordCode and Lifehelfi at https://noordcode.com and https://livehelfi.com!This conversation was recorded in June 2025.Check https://hololifesummit.com for upcoming events & tickets!Devices, supplements, guides, books & quality online courses for supporting your health & performance: https://hololifecenter.comKey moments and takeaways:00:00 Introduction by Teemu Arina01:15 Meet Eduard de Wilde from NoordCode and LiveHelfi02:00 Overview of the evolution of biohacking over the last decade04:30 The shift from niche to maturing industry dynamics06:45 The importance of preventive health coaching post-pandemic08:15 Growth in the biohacking community and market research insights10:00 Challenges in reaching the 50% of the population disengaged with health12:30 The role of celebrities and influencers in health trends14:00 Observations on wearable technology's effect on consumer behavior16:45 Simplifying health tracking for the less health-conscious demographic18:00 Lifestyle changes through basic health products20:20 Emphasis on recovery and longevity through everyday choices22:15 Discussion on the subjective term “health” in marketing24:00 How health optimization can shift perceptions and behavior26:30 Case studies of critical consumer experiences leading to awareness28:45 Vitality vs. longevity: Changing the narrative in health discussions31:10 The role of the wellness industry in public health33:00 The risk of chronic diseases in aging populations35:20 Pain management strategies not guided by traditional health care37:45 Exploring the potential of supplements and technologies like red light therapy40:00 An analysis of strategies to shift the healthcare paradigm42:15 The intersection of lifestyle habits and their impact on chronic illness45:30 De-stigmatizing the search for preventative health solutions47:00 NoordCode’s ethos in providing top-quality health products50:00 The evolution of dietary supplements and the importance of ingredient sourcing52:00 Future outlook for the wellness industry amid regulatory challenges54:30 Closing remarks on empowerment through high-quality health choices56:00 Where to find NoordCode products and the educational resources available

In this episode of the Biohacker's Podcast, Teemu Arina is joined by Silver Laus to discuss the history of Estonia's resilient people and how the country's beautiful and potent nature helped them along the way.Silver Laus is one of the leading voices in the functional mushroom space, combining deep knowledge of ancient fungal wisdom with the latest scientific advancements to help people live stronger, healthier, and more vibrant lives.Estonia's unique position at the crossroads of northern Europe shaped its character through centuries of struggle. According to Laus, this small Baltic nation's history is deeply intertwined with Viking culture, an aspect many outsiders overlook.This resilience manifested in the nation's relationship with nature. While Christianity swept through Europe, condemning practices like sauna use, Estonians maintained their traditional knowledge and connection to the forest.As the CEO of Shroomwell, one of the world’s premier mycotechnology companies, Silver Laus has been instrumental in pioneering potent extraction methods, creating high-performance mushroom supplements, and shaping a global wellness brand rooted in wholesome principles.Shroomwell's approach to mushroom cultivation blends ancient wisdom with cutting-edge techniques. Rather than harvesting exclusively from wild sources, the company has developed sustainable farming methods that mimic natural stressors while increasing yield.Learn more about Silver and Shroomwell at https://shroomwell.com!This conversation was recorded in April 2025.Check https://hololifesummit.com for upcoming events & tickets!Devices, supplements, guides, books & quality online courses for supporting your health & performance: https://hololifecenter.comKey moments and takeaways:00:00 Introduction by Teemu Arina01:15 Who is Silver Laus from Shroomwell?02:30 The significance of functional mushrooms in health04:10 Personal experience with chaga and other mushrooms05:45 Understanding product quality and sourcing concerns08:30 Silver's background in Estonia and its Viking heritage10:00 Resilience of Estonians throughout history12:30 The cultural significance of sauna and its connection to health15:50 How Estonia defended its heritage against invasions18:20 The medicinal properties of chaga mushrooms20:45 Overview of the various forms of functional mushrooms23:15 Benefits of functional mushrooms in modern health25:00 Importance of outdoor-grown versus indoor-grown mushrooms28:40 The unique cultivation practices for chaga mushrooms30:50 Insights into the extraction methods for bioavailability34:10 The interplay of environmental stressors and mushroom potency37:40 Introducing Shroomwell’s innovative product range40:20 The challenges within the energy drink market and the shift towards wellness45:30 Come to the HOLOLIFE Summit in Estonia, visit Shroomwell, try their products47:50 More amazing facts about Estonia, fermented products and mushrooms51:30 Shroomwell has an Open Door Policy

Teemu Arina is joined by Philipp Samor von Holtzendorff-Fehling - conscious entrepreneur, energy healer, and founder of Leela Quantum Tech - to explore the cutting-edge world of quantum healing and energy medicine. From corporate life at T-Mobile to shamanic practices and quantum technologies, Philipp shares his powerful personal journey and mission to help others balance energy, reduce stress, and elevate consciousness.Together, they dive deep into the science and mysticism behind quantum fields, energy frequencies, the biofield, and structured water. Teemu brings a critical yet open-minded lens, asking tough questions about placebo effects, scientific validity, and empirical studies—many of which Leela Quantum has conducted to test the effectiveness of its products.From overcoming chronic Lyme disease to exploring how traditional healing and modern science might intersect, this episode takes you on a journey through frequency, resonance, holistic wellness, and the potential of high-vibrational living. Whether you're a skeptic or seeker, this conversation offers thought-provoking insights into what the future of healing could look like.Learn more about Philipp and Leela Quantum Tech at https://leelaq.com!This conversation was recorded in April 2025.Check https://hololifesummit.com for upcoming events & tickets!Devices, supplements, guides, books & quality online courses for supporting your health & performance: https://hololifecenter.comKey moments and takeaways:00:00 Introduction by Teemu Arina01:00 Who is Philipp von Holtzendorf-Fehling?02:30 The personal journey into quantum healing04:05 The limitations of traditional Western medicine05:50 Emphasis on a holistic approach to health and well-being07:15 Understanding the connection between mind, body, and energy09:00 The science behind quantum healing practices11:40 Case studies highlighting efficacy13:15 Exploring the power of intention in healing15:00 The role of energy and frequency in the human biofield17:20 Discussion of healing modalities: from shamans to modern technology19:40 The importance of emotional health in physical healing21:10 Insights on quantum technology and its applications23:30 Bringing the ancient wisdom of traditional medicine to modern practices25:50 The significance of research and evidence in alternative healing27:40 Future of quantum healing and community discussions31:25 Understanding Quantum Energy Technology44:48 Consciousness and Higher Frequencies51:53 Real Effects of Quantum Products53:40 Community and Resources for Healing

Teemu Arina sits down with psychotherapist and inventor Marco Kärkkäinen to explore the powerful intersection of somatic therapy and psychological healing. With over 20 years of clinical experience, Marco shares the story behind his groundbreaking invention: Neurosonic, a whole-body vibration therapy device designed to aid in relaxation, pain relief, and nervous system regulation.They discuss how vibrational therapy can enhance lymphatic flow, lower stress hormones, and help treat chronic pain, anxiety, and trauma. Marco also reveals how music, personal insights, and a vibrating subwoofer led him to develop the first prototype in his living room. The conversation touches on real-life case studies, the role of the gut-brain connection, and how emotional blockages can be stored and released through the body.Learn more about Marco and Neurosonic at https://www.neurosonictech.com!This conversation was recorded in April 2025.Check https://hololifesummit.com for upcoming events & tickets!Devices, supplements, guides, books & quality online courses for supporting your health & performance: https://hololifecenter.comKey moments and takeaways:0:00 Introduction by Teemu Arina2:23 Journey Back to Psychotherapy4:32 Benefits of Whole Body Vibration8:35 The Birth of Neurosonic13:23 The Science Behind Vibration Therapy13:43 Pain Management and Vibration16:45 Body-Mind Connection in Therapy21:31 Nutrition and Mental Health26:08 Trauma and Its Effects30:44 Transformative Case Studies39:46 The Complexity of Mind and Body45:36 Upcoming Events and Experiences49:10 Conclusion and Reflections on Healing

In this episode of the Biohacker's Podcast, Teemu Arina is joined by Siggi Clavien, the founder and CEO of Equilibrium Labs, for an eye-opening discussion on the liver’s critical role in overall health. Clavien, a biotechnology pioneer with a background in plant-based medicine from Cornell University, offers a fresh perspective on the liver, calling it the "master regulator of human health" and the "general of the body." He explains how this vital organ goes far beyond detoxification, playing a central role in immune regulation, hormone management, and nutrient distribution. Drawing on both ancient healing traditions and cutting-edge science, Clavien presents a powerful framework for understanding and optimizing liver function.Throughout the conversation, Clavien highlights the rising global concern of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD), affecting a staggering 38% of Western populations. He emphasizes the liver's remarkable regenerative capabilities, revealing how the liver can recover even from substantial damage. The episode also delves into practical biohacks for supporting liver health, such as intermittent fasting, photobiomodulation, and the surprising benefits of drinking coffee. Additionally, Clavien discusses the importance of early diagnostics and how traditional blood tests often fail to catch liver issues in time. His holistic approach, which integrates emotional and spiritual wellness, ties the liver’s function to broader concepts of self-love and well-being. Tune in to learn how understanding and supporting the liver could be the key to better health.Learn more about Siggi and Equilibrium Labs at https://www.loveyourliver.com!This conversation was recorded in March 2025.Check https://hololifesummit.com for upcoming events & tickets!Devices, supplements, guides, books & quality online courses for supporting your health & performance: https://hololifecenter.comKey moments and takeaways:00:00 Introduction by Teemu Arina00:07 The Importance of Liver Health00:59 Meet the Expert: Siggi Clavien04:09 Understanding Liver Functions06:21 The Liver's Regenerative Powers10:33 Liver Health and Hormonal Balance12:47 Global Liver Health Concerns14:21 Supporting Liver Detoxification20:55 Dietary Supplements for Liver Health30:29 Biohacks for Optimal Liver Function38:17 The Importance of Liver Scanning38:51 FibroScan: The Gold Standard40:07 MRI and Other Diagnostic Tools42:37 The Role of Nutrition and Lifestyle44:18 Sweating and Detoxification45:35 The Power of Infrared and Sleep48:54 Eastern Medicine and Deliverance56:25 Functional Mushrooms and Foraging01:01:50 Biohacking and Holistic Health01:05:34 Conclusion and Future Plans

In this episode, Eric Puro returns to discuss the powers of Functional Mushrooms with Teemu Arina. As the CEO of Kääpä Biotech, Eric is at the forefront of unraveling the science behind fungi and their profound impact on human health.Eric and his team have revolutionized mushroom cultivation in Finland, setting new industry standards and outpacing the competition in terms of extract potency and quality.Eric is a member of the executive committee of the International Medicinal Mushroom Society, amplifying his commitment to advanced use of Functional Mushrooms.Learn more about Eric and Kääpä at https://www.kaapamushrooms.com!This conversation was recorded in November 2024.Check https://biohackersummit.com for upcoming events & tickets!Devices, supplements, guides, books & quality online courses for supporting your health & performance: https://biohackercenter.comKey moments and takeaways:00:00 Introduction by Teemu Arina01:00 Mushrooms in the "early days"02:57 From a scientific standpoint, the clinicals are there03:49 Growing up in the Nordics and Baltics04:50 Chaga every day for 10 years05:42 When Eric first started growing mushrooms07:12 The importance of a personal relationship to growing08:04 Walking barefoot in Nuuksio09:52 Symbiotic relationship between mushrooms and trees10:45 How mushrooms learn what to feed on11:39 They can decompose plastic12:34 How fungi came to decompose cellulose13:59 Protective biochemistry16:03 Scientific reductionist compartmentalization17:03 Why our immune system isn't always great18:23 Mushrooms preserved Ötzi19:20 Forests hold thousands of mold species20:16 Healthy exposure to dangerous things21:52 The Circle of Life23:24 What can I do with these mushrooms?25:08 How Kääpä works with third-party university labs25:44 Lion's Mane vs. Coffee vs. Placebo26:27 How Teemu uses mushrooms28:10 "Reishi is giving me crazy dreams"29:26 What Cordyceps does30:45 The Last of Us and cordyceps31:07 Eating Lion's Mane31:59 Eating vs. extracts and tinctures32:14 Bioavailability in water and alcohol vs. ultrasonic extracts33:47 Turkey Tail in Europe34:22 European food regulations are a crazy mess35:26 Suppression of information and understanding in the US37:16 If you're working with corrupt pharma, pack your bags37:58 In food innovation, we are shooting ourselves in the foot39:14 Peer-reviewed journals in Europe are bought and paid-for40:44 Questionable products vs. Nordic Mushrooms42:01 Be careful buying mushroom products on Amazon43:18 Functional Mushrooms are a growth market44:17 Kääpä is coming to the Hololife Summit!44:58 Visit kaapamushrooms.com48:57 Anecdote about Siim Land49:54 Biohacker's Retreat in January 2025

In this episode, Teemu Arina meets Karim Chubin to discuss Intermittent Hypoxia Hyperoxia Therapy (IHHT) as well as various adaptogens and their effects.Karim Chubin is a British-trained anthropologist, Swiss and German-certified naturopath, and visionary entrepreneur. Since 2004, he has led a groundbreaking clinical practice that integrates declassified Siberian (Russian) naturopathic innovations with his unique gifts as a clairvoyant and naturopathic medium. Karim's boutique practice, headquartered in Geneva with satellite offices in Brussels and Moscow, specializes in sleep harmonization, regenerative medicine, and personalized lifestyle wellness. His work focuses on enhancing mitochondrial and vibrational health from a vitalistic perspective, with the goal of optimizing longevity and overall well-being.Fluent in several languages, Karim is a health rebel and global traveller dedicated to bridging the gap between Eastern and Western medical wisdom. He is the founder of karimchubin.com and the Karim Chubin podcast, where he shares cutting-edge health discoveries with a worldwide audience. Currently, Karim is spearheading the "Million Minds Mission", aimed at educating one million people on transforming their lives through a new health paradigm that merges mitochondrial and vibrational medicine. His innovative approach to wellness is also embodied in "Loungevity," a 360-degree mind-body immersion experience designed to foster deep, sustainable regeneration.This conversation was recorded in September 2024.Visit https://www.karimchubin.com and follow @karimchubin on TikTok to learn more!Check https://biohackersummit.com for upcoming events & tickets!Devices, supplements, guides, books & quality online courses for supporting your health & performance: https://biohackercenter.comKey moments and takeaways:00:00 Introduction by Teemu Arina01:54 Karim's background04:00 Discovering IHHT07:04 How IHHT works technically08:23 How things worked before Big Pharma09:48 IHHT versus HBOT12:33 The challenge is educating people14:15 Enhancing mitochondrial functions16:59 Various benefits of IHHT18:41 Binding IHHT with different health modalities20:00 Overstimulation has a negative effect24:29 The Million Minds mission27:22 Wim Hof method versus IHHT30:45 Hypoxic states33:53 The most common adaptogens37:51 Discovering adaptogens39:13 Plants which brave Siberian winters42:00 Shifting appetites45:09 Adaptogens speak straight to the head46:25 Do we regard aging as a disease?48:41 Cellular surprise50:40 About some lesser known adaptogens52:24 Maral Root vs. microcirculation55:07 We borrow from the plant kingdom to find our center56:52 Bacopa Monieri58:00 Sagan Dalya (Rhododendron Adamsii)63:24 Blue Lotus is not exactly an adaptogen, but has interesting properties66:09 Kudzu works against various types of addictions67:46 TUR devices such as CellOxy or CellAirOne69:43 Disclaimer about Karim's relationship with TUR71:48 The importance of ethics at the beginning and end of the chain74:34 Karim's Loungevity brand