

Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers
Numinus Network
The psychedelic renaissance is here! Join Dr. Steve Thayer, Dr. Reid Robison, and special guests as they explore the frontiers of psychedelic medicine and what it takes to cultivate a healthy mind, body, and spirit. Our hosts draw from their extensive knowledge and experience with psychedelic therapy research and treatment to discuss the science, practice, and art of psychedelic healing. If you are a helping professional, therapist, clinician, guide, healer, psychedelic enthusiast, or simply curious about mental, physical, and spiritual health, this is the podcast for you!
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Apr 25, 2023 • 1h 10min
Trauma-informed psychedelic therapy, training, and chronic pain with Dr. Devon Christie
Send us a textOn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison are joined by Dr. Devon Christie. Devon is the senior lead of psychedelic programs at Numinus and one of the primary architects of our psychedelic therapy training programs. She teaches for the California Institute of Integral Studies Certificate Program in Psychedelic Therapy and Research, the Integrative Psychiatry Institute Certificate Program in Psychedelic Assisted Therapy, and Psychedelics Today’s VITAL program, among others. She’s a busy woman. She has expertise in mindfulness based stress reduction, relational somatic therapy for trauma, and in both MDMA and Ketamine assisted psychotherapy. Our conversation today is wide-ranging. We talk about trauma-informed psychedelic-assisted therapy, explore the current training landscape for psychedelic therapists, discuss the similarities and differences between plant medicine ceremony and psychedelic-assisted therapy, briefly touch on the potential for psychedelics to help with chronic pain, and much more.Come and attend the MAPS Psychedelic Science 2023 conference, Numinus is offering an exclusive 20% discount code to our PTF Podcast listeners. To get 20% off the registration price, click this link (https://bit.ly/3kzoofk) and use the code NWI20 at checkout.(4:11) What drives Dr. Devon Christie(14:54) Differences between plant medicine ceremony and psychedelic assisted psychotherapy(22:45) Trauma informed care(23:41) Why you should be ready(31:51) The key to resolving trauma(37:57) Trauma is transcendent (44:23) The potential danger of overlaying worldviews on others(52:15) Psychedelic trainingsLearn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Apr 18, 2023 • 48min
How to hold space for others, yourself, and in psychedelic therapy
Send us a textOn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison talk about holding space. They discuss what it means to hold space for others, why holding space is a gift when done well, how to hold space for yourself, and they explore the power that skillful space-holding has in a psychedelic therapy session.Come and attend the MAPS Psychedelic Science 2023 conference, Numinus is offering an exclusive 20% discount code to our PTF Podcast listeners. To get 20% off the registration price, click this link (https://bit.ly/3kzoofk) and use the code NWI20 at checkout.(2:12) The concept of holding space(6:38) Developing the skill(8:21) Holding space in a relationship(13:10) Reasons why holding space can be difficult(18:50) Qualities of space holding(29:14) Benefits of someone holding space for you(34:23) Psychedelic space holding(37:06) Reid's vulnerability question(42:36) Steve on validationLearn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Apr 11, 2023 • 1h
What is happiness?
Send us a textOn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison ask the question, “what is happiness?”. They try to define the term, explore ancient wisdom and modern research on happiness, and talk about why the pursuit of happiness kind of defeats the purpose. They also dip into how psychedelic experiences effect happiness, and even reveal some of the details behind their own personal struggles with happiness.Come and attend the MAPS Psychedelic Science 2023 conference, Numinus is offering an exclusive 20% discount code to our PTF Podcast listeners. To get 20% off the registration price, click this link (https://bit.ly/3kzoofk) and use the code NWI20 at checkout.(1:57) Steve asks Reid if he is happy(3:26) Is happiness worthy of pursuit?(5:41) Contentment through yoga(9:21) Is happiness dopamine?(14:19) Martin Seligman's PERMA theory(17:39) Practicing the art of dying(21:01) Relationships(26:48) The body(31:00) A sense of purpose(34:09) MDMA vs ketamine for trauma work(40:08) The pursuit of wealth(44:56) Steve's struggles with depression(51:11) IFS, parts, and CBTLearn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Apr 4, 2023 • 57min
Perfectionism isn't what you think it is
Send us a textOn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison talk about "perfectionism". They discuss the light and shadow sides of perfectionism, talk about the difference between obsessive compulsive disorder and obsessive compulsive personality disorder, how to address perfectionism from an internal parts or IFS perspective, the value of failure, and much much more. (3:07) SXSW psychedelic panel recap(5:17) Rick Doblin legality panel recap(9:01) MAPS success(13:24) Steve intros perfectionism(18:34) The NEO Personality Inventory Test(20:17) Examples of perfectionism(30:03) Enoughness(33:17) From an IFS perspective(45:19) Dr. Kristin Neff's Self-Compassion(45:50) The diagnosis of OCPD Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Mar 28, 2023 • 1h 6min
East Forest on the power of music in psychedelic therapy
Send us a textOn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr Reid Robison, Numinus CEO Payton Nyquvest, and East Forest are at SXSW, and talk about the many facets of music and the importance it plays in the psychedelic therapy process.(2:19) SXSW psychedelic track and panel recap(9:37) East Forest music in the yoga community and psychedelic origins(13:51) Origin of East Forest(27:21) Recording and visiting with Ram Dass(33:28) Payton on seeking and finding(38:30) Music as a tool(49:50) The arc of the journey(54:34) Music during ketamine vs psilocybin (58:59) The brain science of music Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Mar 21, 2023 • 1h 18min
Bad trip: Can psychedelic experiences be traumatic?
Send us a textOn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison discuss "bad trips". They talk about the difference between bad trips and challenging experiences; the factors during prep, facilitation, and integration that can prevent bad trips or turn them into useful challenging experiences; the prevalence of triggered psychosis and HPPD among psychedelic users; how to pick the right psychedelic therapist/guide/facilitator; and much more. (1:35) Are bad trips possible?(4:00) What is the difference between a bad trip vs a challenging experience?(7:00) How preparation affects the psychedelic experience (9:58) The importance of supportive community (14:05) What does informed consent in psychedelic-assisted therapy really mean?(16:00) How prevalent are challenging psychedelic experiences?(19:18) How the therapist/guide affects the psychedelic experience(24:28) Be discerning and take it slow(27:25) Emotional breakthrough, catharsis, and abreaction (36:32) The Happiness Hypothesis, by Jonathan Haidt(40:22) Understanding the psychodrama that can happen in a psychedelic experience(46:50) Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (HPPD) and psychedelic flashbacks(51:01) Dream interpretation (55:14) How to integrate and make meaning of a psychedelic experience(59:23) After the Ecstasy, the Laundry, by Jack Kornfield(01:01:31) How to navigate a bad trip(01:10:07) Using "trip stoppers" like benzodiazepines Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Mar 14, 2023 • 51min
Paradoxes, cognitive dissonance, and the smile of unbearable compassion
Send us a textOn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison try to cope with the paradoxes of life. They give a trip report on a recent breathwork session, discuss why people struggle with paradoxes, explain how the drive to reduce cognitive dissonance can lead to dysfunction, explore how mindful acceptance of all that we are helps us cope with paradoxes, and much more. (1:35) Breathwork trip report(8:03) What are chakras?(11:04) 7 Sacred Spaces breathwork(11:15) What are paradoxes?(12:08) What is cognitive dissonance?(14:12) Shadow sides and shadow work(16:05) OCD vs OCPD(18:19) Never meet your heroes (22:14) Wave/Particle duality of nature (24:13) Being more of who you really are and finding your purpose (26:38) PTF Podcast Episode: Finding your purpose in life(29:50) Embrace the shadow aspects of yourself (34:50) Ram Dass and the smile of unbearable compassion(38:48) Learning to feel your emotions(41:00) Methods for coping with paradoxes (43:00) How psychedelics help us with paradoxes Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Mar 7, 2023 • 50min
Non-therapy uses for psychedelics with Hannah Cross, LCSW
Send us a textOn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison are joined Hannah Cross, LCSW to discuss the non-therapy, non-medical uses of psychedelics. Hannah is a licensed clinical social worker, therapist, reiki master, yoga teacher, and all-around awesome person. (1:40) Intro to the topic and to Hannah(3:41) What does "processing" mean?(5:29) Discoveries and insights attributable to psychedelics(6:56) Timothy Leary's first LSD trip and cautionary tales(11:08) Psychedelics and psychological flexibility and creativity(14:38) Psychedelics for art and music(17:04) Microdosing, presence, and yoga(19:56) Psychedelics as a way-shower to a skill(21:38) Can psychedelics kill ambition?(24:18) Psychedelics for self-awareness and position in society(25:12) Turn on. Tune in. Drop out. (32:22) Psychedelic experiences can by destabilizing(36:52) What is equanimity?(44:42) Transpersonal psychology Learn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Feb 28, 2023 • 55min
Legal status of psychedelic therapy: 2023 status update
Send us a textOn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison discuss the current legal status of psychedelic therapy in the US and other countries and the various challenges related to legalization and/or decriminalization of psychedelics. (1:50) Legalization vs decriminalization of psychedelics (3:30) The War on Drugs(6:37) Psychedelics Today Podcast episode with Kathryn L. Tucker, JD and the difference between federal and state legalization (8:06) Decriminalization in Denver(10:32) FDA approval and rescheduling psilocybin and MDMA(14:46) Psilocybin legalization in Oregon (18:21) Training requirements and expenses for facilitators(22:43) Fundamentals of Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy course at Numinus(23:00) The Oregon treatment structure (26:04) Psychedelic clinical trials(27:36) Arguments for state legalization ahead of FDA approval(32:29) Senate Bill 200 in Utah(45:53) Colorado Prop 122(47:41) Australia legalizes psilocybin and MDMA for therapeutic use(49:12) Heroic Hearts ProjectLearn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/

Feb 21, 2023 • 1h
Crisis of faith: How to survive religious faith deconstruction
Send us a textOn this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison discuss how to navigate a crisis of religious faith.(2:30) Why it's hard to talk about religious belief (5:10) The "nones" and the secularization of the West(8:52) What's at stake with a religious faith transition(13:57) The risk of your moral character being questioned(17:30) How to support a loved one who is going through a faith deconstruction (20:55) Thriving and Building Community After a Faith Crisis TEDx Talk(22:15) Mistrust of your own instincts and intuition (26:40) The importance of finding community(28:30) PTF Podcast: Navigating spiritual emergencies with Hannah Cross(30:49) Trauma and abuse within religious organizations (34:33) Psychedelic experiences of people deconstructing their religious faith(36:50) Beware of bitterness and how to grapple with it(41:08) Calibrating your life to your values(43:30) Allow uncertainty (47:41) Faith and surrender(49:45) Psychedelic tools for religious faith deconstruction (54:50) Navigating Mormon Faith Crisis, by Thomas McConkieLearn more about our podcast at https://numinusnetwork.com/learn/podcast/Learn more about psychedelic therapy training opportunities at https://numinusnetwork.com/training/Learn more about our clinical trials at https://www.numinusnetwork.com/researchLearn more about Numinus at https://numinusnetwork.com/Email us at ptfpodcast@numinus.com Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstevethayer/https://www.instagram.com/innerspacedoctor/https://www.instagram.com/numinushealth/