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Lyman Stone, a researcher renowned for his expertise in fertility statistics, joins for an eye-opening discussion. They delve into the surprising correlations between income and fertility rates, challenging the notion that wealth universally leads to fewer children. Insights reveal the complex interplay of culture, historical context, and economic factors influencing family size globally. Topics include the caregiving role of children, societal expectations around parenting, and the impact of educational attainment on fertility, particularly in Nordic countries.

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Dive into the intriguing reinterpretation of Christian beliefs through a techno-puritan lens. Explore the complexities of sin, morality, and personal responsibility in contemporary society. Discover how ancient rituals clash with modern faith practices, and reflect on moral governance compared across historical figures. The discussion also touches on the evolution of sacrifices and the impact of technology on spirituality, all while urging a deeper understanding of personal conviction amidst shifting ethical landscapes.

In this thought-provoking video, we dive deep into the cultural phenomenon of evil characters becoming increasingly sexualized in modern media. From vampires to witches, we explore how our perception of villains has shifted over time and what this says about our society.Key topics covered:* The evolution of vampire portrayals from Nosferatu to Interview with the Vampire* How witches transformed from scary to sexy in popular culture* The impact of progressive ideologies on the portrayal of evil in media* Analysis of the "forbidden sexy wrongness" trope* The role of disgust-based morality in shaping cultural narratives* How the left-right political divide influences media representation* The sexualization of evil as a reaction to changing social norms* The impact of promiscuity on female sexual preferences in media* Cultural degradation and its correlation with product quality* The phenomenon of "restock videos" as a female-oriented super stimulusWhether you're a film buff, cultural critic, or just curious about the intersection of sexuality and morality in media, this video offers a fascinating look at how our perception of evil has evolved over time.[00:00:00] Sirens in Greek myths were seen as beautiful, attractive, and evil. Yes. But, the stories were not told in a way that was designed to titillate you, and make you desire the siren. It was meant to teach you to be afraid of things that are evil. That use beauty to attract people.Speaker 4: Moon, the stars, the moon,Well, I mean, I think they were trying to moralize and show that other people will use, like, seduce you for evil purposes. Well, which is, which is just steal your penis while you were asleep or something. It wasn't like they seduced your penis off. I would be, I, I thought like, look, I don't know. It could be a rumor, but some people are saying there's a few women in this town that steal penises.I'd be like Let's put together a commission, people. We need to investigate. I know it's probably not true, but better safe than [00:01:00] sorry, right guys? Better safe than sorry. Am I right? I mean, look, look, look, that old crony panhandler lady, did she really contribute that much to the economy? Is it worth risking our penises? in this ultra lefty mindset, ugly meant morally good.Yeah. Beautiful meant morally evil. However, these people are still human, right? And they still are more aroused by things that are beautiful. So they need to uglify them within a context. Holy smokes.Would you like to know more?Hello Simone! I'm excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to discuss an interesting phenomenon, and it is interesting both in how lazily people dismiss it as a phenomenon. Okay. And in its implications for both our current culture, our evolutionary history, and humanity [00:02:00] more broadly.Specifically, what I am talking about here, It's the modern phenomenon of evil things or things that were historically evil being coded as sexy, whether it's vampires or werewolves or witches. And the first thing people will be say is, of course, evil things are sexy, but they weren't always is sexy. And I don't know, two things, one patently not true.We discuss it in our book. It's. We'll get to the forbidden sexy wrongness, which is wrong. Yeah. I mean, two, it wasn't always the case. In most cultures throughout history, even our own, evil wasn't sexy until like the, the 80s, maybe? Like, okay, take something like vampires, right? Yeah, original Dracula was Well, not [00:03:00] just that, but you look at the revitalization of vampires with Nosferatu, right?Like, like that was the popular vampire of, when was Nosferatu popular? But also Dracula himself was not. Attractive from my memory, like in, in the book, in Bram Stoker's book. And then of course the original old movies was interview with a vampire, really the first movie to sexualize vampirism. Yeah, I think interview is well, so keep in mind interview is a vampire was done off of a book that had already become popular.That was sexualizing vampires. Yeah.So as much as a culture nerd as I am, I wasn't going to trust my off the head memory of was there any mainstream, sexually charged vampire movies before interview with the vampire? So I went to AI to ask and I got to mainstream, sexually charged empire movies or. And this is, I guess it shows how mainstream this was before [00:04:00] this. , one was the 1970s, the vampire lovers, this hammer horror film, explicitly portrayed lesbian vampires, and it was quite sexually charged for its time. And then the 1972 black ULA. This blaxploitation film featured a suave sexually appealing vampire protagonist.Speaker: Yes, I only hunt Blackulous. Man, I specialize in hunting Black vampires. I don't know what the PC name for that is.And I'm sure you can tell these are not at all cultural phenomenon in the way that interview with the vampire was.So it does appear that interview with a vampire was the cultural inflection point. Too sexy vampire is being a mainstream concept.But yeah, no, all vampires were, were sexualized. There was a scene, for example, in the. In the original Dracula book by Bram Stoker in which women vampires in Dracula's castle were like, I don't know, kind of leering at like, here is the thing about the Bram Stoker, Dracula sexualization of [00:05:00] evil is it was very similar to.Like sirens, historically.Speaker 4: The sun, the stars, the moon, the stars, the moon, the stars, The wind, the stars, until the end again.Sirens in Greek myths were seen as beautiful, attractive, and evil. Yes. But, the stories were not told in a way that was designed to titillate you, and make you desire the siren. It was meant to teach you to be afraid of things that are evil. That use beauty to attract people.If you look at modern iterations of this, they are not treated like the [00:06:00] sirens of old. It is about glorifying the raw sexuality associated with some acts of evil. As we see an interview with a vampire. And this is also a really interesting thing of this phenomenon. I mentioned this to someone and they're like, Oh, wow.You know, Twilight, because this is what they go to in this generation. They're like, Twilight, you know, they're not really that evil, right? Like, they don't, like, Well, there, there are the, the, the good vampires and there are the evil vampires. It depends on what faction you're in. The movie that really created this genre, I would say, like, like, really, really, really, really set it in stone was, it's not the first.I don't know, was it Dust Till Dawn before this?[00:07:00]Because they don't play as good vampires. But the was Interview with a Vampire. And Interview with a Vampire, these guys are unmitigatedly evil. Killing innocent children, evil. Enjoying killing random people for fun, evil.Speaker 7: Claudia! What have you done?! Bridget!Speaker 6: Leave a corpse here to rotBe glad I made you whatSpeaker 7: you are. You're dead now, like that damned corpse. Now get rid ofthere is no genuine [00:08:00] redemption of them as any sort of a good thing outside of they care for other vampires, sometimes, and whiz conditions.That is the, the totality of it. of their plot development as characters, okay? And I would note, this is not me shitting on the movie. I actually love Interview with a Vampire. I think it's fantastic. And I think It's long. It's long. But everyone in it's really good. Young Kiersten Dunst is amazing in it.It's it's like a braveheart good like I consider it like a true classic level good And I would note that in this period you had other iterations of this. It wasn't just vampires. It was like witches as well So, you know somebody was like well, you know again not evil and I put out something like the craft right the craft was an early movie that really, really glorified the Wiccan movement.[00:09:00]Speaker 9: You're a witch! They were right. Nancy, come on. Get off the bed. Let's go. She's a witch too, you know. I mean, the only reason you're in love with her is because she cast a spell on you. No. Yes. Sad but true.Speaker 8: Nancy, get off to bed.Look, you scared the s**t out of him. Thank you very much. Let's go.Speaker 9: No. He's gonna pay. You're just jealous. Jealous? You don't even exist to me! You are nothing. You are s**t. You don't exist. Thesorry! Sorry, my yeah. But also unironically said that the Wiccan movement had an evil component to it. Yes. The core antagonist of the movie is one of the members. Or before the craft, if you want to talk about like people are [00:10:00] like yeah, witches aren't sexy. Who said like people were trying to sexualize witches?Speaker 10: I am beautiful. Boys will love me.Speaker 11: Hey, Cupcake, don't I get your phone number, your area code? You want my route schedule?Speaker 10: Oh, thou wouldst hate me in the morning.Speaker 11: No, ISpeaker 10: wouldn't. Oh, believe me, thou wouldst.Speaker 11: Party pooper.Hocus Pocus.Hocus Pocus. These are unironically evil witches. And it is They kill children. Only one of them is sexualized. But she's really sexualized. And And not in a way where she is like a siren sexualized. Where the sexuality is seen as something scary. No, she's just dumb blonde sexualized. Yeah. And you can contrast that with earlier representation of witches.Even, even in fairly modern periods. Like, what's the one I'm thinking of here? Witches, right? That's what it's called. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were all gross and scary.Speaker 12: [00:11:00] The doors, are they locked andmiserable witches! You're good for nothing worms! Everywhere I look,I see the repulsive sight of hundreds, of revolting little children. Why?One child a week is no good to me! We will do better better is no good either! My orders are every single child eliminated. Do I make myself clear?Yeah. Is that what you wrote it? Yeah. Yes. And there is not a ounce of sexuality in those witches. No, yeah. They're, they're extremely, yeah, first they're Karens and then they're witches.[00:12:00] There's nothing sexual there. No, I, I actually love that. Karens are all witches. Just assume all Karens are witches. That is, that is the takeaway of witches. Thanks, Mr. Doll. Just imagine every Karen you ever meet is secretly a witch and stay away from her. But and people might dismiss this. They might be like, Well, that was a children's movie and the protagonist says that we're children.So how could that be sexual? Oh my gosh. And I'm like, Hocus Pocus, mother And Hocus Pocus is also like quite, I don't, I don't know if it could have been made today because actually the bigger sexual theme is with the adolescent male protagonist being a virgin.Speaker 13: It will raise the spirits of the dead when lit by a virgin on Halloween night. What happened? A virgin lit the candle.Speaker 14: And he's a virgin.No, being, being also super hot for the, the female, like of his, like female co lead, I guess the girl at his [00:13:00] high school.First he hits on her and she turns him down. And then finally you know, they start their misadventure with his little sister in tow who to embarrass her older brother points out how his, her older brother comments on her. What did she call them? Like Kazonga's boo, like something like she, she talks about like the words that he uses to describe her boobs. By the way, Danny, I love your costume. I really like yours, too. I couldn't wear anything like that because I don't have any What do you call them, Max? Yabos. Max likes your yabos.Speaker 15: In fact, he loves them. And then she also imitates him masturbating to her in the movie. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. So it's, it's a little racy. It's a little racy. If you had known that a guy had masturbated to you in high school, like what would your reaction be? [00:14:00] An eye roll, I guess. Yeah, like, it's just, it's just, I'm just pointing out how racy that movie was.One thing that I want to square with you though, on this whole well, witches used to be not sexy, was also still the interplay of evil with sex. Now, Dracula wasn't sexy, but he would enter women's rooms at night and suck their blood. Witches weren't sexy, but they would steal your penis. And that was a big deal.And historically speaking, you had things like succubi, you had things like incubus, which were, you know, even during the medieval period, these were, if you look at medieval art, they were not supposed to be beautiful, but they used sexuality to seduce men. Yeah, I guess, was it, was it just that then they were trying to moralize and show that Sexuality is gross and yucky.Well, I mean, I think they were trying to moralize and show that other people will use, like, seduce you [00:15:00] for evil purposes. Well, which is, which is just steal your penis while you were asleep or something. It wasn't like they seduced your penis off. Yeah, but sexually buying an inky bus would make you have, like, wet pee.Yeah, but people, there were more, there were more materials. About how do we deal with the witch problem and find witches? Then there were materials about how do we deal with the succubi problem. I would be, I, I thought like, look, I don't know. It could be a rumor, but some people are saying there's a few women in this town that steal penises.I'd be like Let's put together a commission, people. We need to investigate. I know it's probably not true, but better safe than sorry, right guys? Better safe than sorry. Am I right? I mean, look, look, look, that old crony panhandler lady, I, did she really contribute that much to the economy? Is it worth risking our penises?So I, yeah, no, so I'm, I, I, no, but [00:16:00] how, how do you square this? How do you square that close association with evil and sexuality in the past, despite the fact that these people weren't presented as not the same thing? Sirens to sexuality, Inky by and succubus to sexuality, purely. malevolent and to be avoided.They were not dark and attractive. And here we need to talk about the misconcession. Banned things are attractive. Okay. Yes. Myth. It's a complete myth. You can look at correlations around how banned an activity is to how likely it is to turn somebody on. And there's basically. Almost no correlation. The mistake that people make here is they think about the things that turn them on, that they're not allowed to talk about.And all of those things are banned. And then they assume, ban the things, turn them on. [00:17:00] So, let me give an example here, right? You know, fire, right? Or jumping off a cliff. Like, these are things that are banned for good reasons, like jumping in a fire or jumping off a cliff. Okay. There's no community that these things turn on. Right? Or, okay, think about something that's, like, actively, like, super shamed. Like, digging up a dead body and having sex with it, right?Like, to you, the average viewer, that is a super banned thing. Do you have any desire to do that? Like, has it ever crossed your mind that that would be a hot thing to do, despite how banned it is? No. The the, the, the, the idea that the level to which something is banned is correlated with how hot it is, is a fiction created by people who are just thinking about what turns them on that they're not allowed to talk about and how banned those things are instead of correlating all banned [00:18:00] activities to sexual profiles.So that doesn't explain it. I think you, Simone got part of it here. The part of it is, is that these things were already tied to sexuality, but they hadn't been morally elevated as okay to be tied to sexuality yet. Oh, so you think this correlates with societal comfort with sexuality in general?Because that's kind of what happened around this, like starting at the 60s, sexuality became more okay. That is one thing that did change. I actually think it's tied to something we have talked about in other episodes, which is the inversion of moral frameworks. So let's talk about this. Okay. In the past, if you go to the 80s and 90s, the way the right which was the dominant cultural force in America at that time, Motivated its voters with a disgust based moral framework things that [00:19:00] disgust you are morally Reprehensible and bad.We've talked about this a lot in our Disgust to cringe to vitalism framework video. I don't need to go further on how this works Framework died out or anything like that. Watch our video on it if that's what you're interested in. But the origins of wokeness were brewing in this time period. And you see this in movies like Starship Troopers, which we'll talk about one of our best videos ever made is the Starship Troopers video.We did, we argued that it's actually the best argument for conservative values ever made specifically because it was made by a progressive. But during this time, progressives reacted to this by saying, well, If they think disgusting is the sign of something's evilness, then I'm going to think disgust is a sign of something's goodness, right?And this is why Vanderhoven, when he was making Starship Troopers, he's like, I assumed everyone would know it was fascist and evil because I chose only attractive actors. Right. And you're like, wait, what? You thought [00:20:00] attractive actors were a sign of, of, of obvious evil, but in his world, even back then in this ultra lefty mindset, ugly meant morally good.Yeah. Beautiful meant morally evil. However, these people are still human, right? And they still are more aroused by things that are beautiful. So they need to uglify them within a context. Holy smokes. Okay. I see where you're going with this. How fascinating. But it gets more interesting than that. At the same time as this inversion began to come about, A secondary inversion became, became about, which is the moral sanctity of a group was not determined by their actions or their ideology.It was determined byhow weak they were. [00:21:00] And we saw this once when people were talking about how they knew that we were bad guys. They say, you are bad guys. You must be white supremacists because. You name your kids with Roman names like Octavian. And I'm like, the Romans conquered my people, buddy. Like, what are you talking about?Like the Romans, I do not consider them a white ethnic group. First of all they were a Mediterranean ethnic group that conquered the Northern European ethnic groups, but they did great things. Okay, they, they are, for me, worthy of admiration, even if they conquered my savage ancestors.Speaker 27: The angle of the arrow wounds show the man is isolated and shot from close range.The evidence leaves McKinley with little doubt why the man's life is taken. To be buried in that ditch at Stonehenge with the injuries he has, Suggests we have a sacrificial victim.Speaker 28: Prepare to defend the eagle! [00:22:00]Speaker 29: Hyah!Because! of their cultural, technological, philosophical, and literary accomplishments because of their ability to exercise military force on their neighbors in a civilizing way.That is something worthy of admiration in my perspective. Right. But to them, the opposite is true. When they look for groups to lionize, they will look at you know, like we had with, with whatever their name, like Bambi slaughter or [00:23:00] Savage Bambi or something in the Eurovision, the one who is all like anti Israel and with a witch and like, I'm a witch and I'm queer.Speaker 17: What makes me special?Speaker 18: Do you know, do you know what makes me special? I'm a queer. What?!Speaker 22: She looks angry. Yeah.Speaker 23: A face like that, I'd be angry too.YouSpeaker 25: shut up.And, and, and you see this, they, they genuinely do in the way that they retell history. Always lionize the weaker party. The weaker party was the just party. You know, you, you look at early American history and you look at all the I, I will say that it was [00:24:00] a very morally complicated time, but I think to frame, for example, the settlers as just a morally negative force in their interactions with the Native Americans is anti historic.There were good Native American tribes from a moral, modern moral perspective. Or you could, you could put it differently. You could say they were peaceful. Or more peaceful. There were more peaceful tribes and then tribes that were dramatically more savage than, than the colonists. Yeah. And yet that's just not talked about.It's not talked about how many colonists children were graped and murdered. It's not talked about how many of them were skinned because what is scalping other than being skinned in the hive? If not, Well, there were worse things that they did. There were much worse things that they did. Oh, yes.Pulling them apart with clamshells. Yeah. Yeah. The clamshell thing is what I'm thinking of. Yeah. They, they took clamshells and nipped off their skin until they died. No, it was, it was a little different than that. But it was something [00:25:00] about clamshells while you're alive and then something else bad happens.And it, yeah, I think it mostly involved being skinned alive. Yeah.Um, uh, Safe!The point being is that history. Is morally complex, but generally, when I'm looking to the groups, I'm lionizing. I'm looking to the groups that won in a historic context. I'm looking to the groups that produced more philosophical works that produced more technological works and that ultimately we're able to through multiple measures have their culture survive.Right? And again, these aren't necessarily my ancestors. [00:26:00] My ancestors were conquered and civilized by the Romans. Not the other way around, okay? Look at, look at my skin. I'm not a descendant of Roman. And I can look at my 23andMe. I'm not a descendant of Roman. Yet, I respect them. I respect the ancient Greeks.I respect the ancient Egyptian demons. I respect the ancient Persians. When I read something, probably the closest ancient work to my ancestors is what's that dumb work? Beowulf. Beowulf is retarded. It is not something that I would lionize at all. It's boring. It doesn't have interesting messages in it.It is the work of a savage people. What were you going to say, Simone? I'm just looking up how the Powhatan tribe typically use torture in their conflicts. But where this gets interesting is in a modern context. So in a modern context, You see something like the lefties supporting Hamas, right?Yeah. And I literally think that the, the, the, the driver of this support [00:27:00] is the group's weakness when contrasted with their rival, because you look at Israel. Israel's like the most pro LGBT state in the Middle East. They are the most diverse state in the Middle East in terms of like actual, and people can be like, well, you know, there's other diverse states.Yeah, there's other diverse states where like the outsiders are basically treated like slaves, you know, whether you're talking about like Qatar or the UAE. But no, Israel isn't like that. There might be slight differences based on, you know, whether or not you are Jewish or Muslim, but it is nothing compared to the rest of the Middle East.Nothing, nothing, nothing. This is a beacon of everything the left says. That they value, and yet they denigrate it. And they, they rise up, the people who are throwing LGBT people off roofs, who say that their plan is to systemically eradicate an entire ethnic group, you know, from the river to the sea. And, and by the way, the, the Arab version of that phrase is from the river [00:28:00] to the sea, only Arabs.Like it's, it's, it's very clear, like the way that this has been whitewashed. Well, but with Jewish slaves, let's not forget that necessary element of the plan. Yeah, the original plan was that they would enslave the Jewish people at least the technically competent ones, and then just kill any of the ones that were involved in the war.They wouldn't be allowed to live free, of course. They would live, you know, they are genuinely monsters. It's genuinely monstrous and people can be like, well, the people of Gaza are not Hamas. And I'm like, yeah, well, the people of Gaza both voted for Hamas at a higher rate than the people of Germany voted for the Nazi party.And they support Hamas at a higher rate than the people of Germany supported the Nazi party. To that one hapless subscriber of this podcast who's now become an instant unsubscriber who supports Palestine, sorry. I support Palestine and I was kicked off of Reddit for supporting Palestine so I'm based and you know He's wrong to say that like Kamala [00:29:00] Harris is more fascist than Donald Trump and I'm like, oh, yeah But it's this moral inflection that we see on the left, which I find really really fascinating What are your thoughts, before I go further?This makes a lot of sense. At least it clicks into the broader theory of Oh, everyone, like characters, kids book illustrations, all these people have been made progressively uglier and weaker over time, that that is supposed to be equated with good, that some people even see it as a perversion of Christian values that the meek shall inherit the earth, and that, you know, being strong and wealthy is a bad thing.Which, I don't know, I could see that sort of being how some people justify this theme. It just, it fits in very neatly with that philosophy, and that to be powerful, to be strong, to be wealthy to be [00:30:00] sexy, is to be evil, so it would make sense that evil characters are monsters and sexy and that we still want sexy and beautiful.So we just watch them. I'm actually going to reframe this for you because I do not think that one, this is definitely not downstream Christianity. Anybody who says that is just insane is downstream of a a reaction against disgust based morality. But when you, well, and the moral system of woke ism, which is to say.All differences between populations are primarily due to discrimination. And that being the case, the more a group is out competing other groups, the more evil they are at an intrinsic level. This is why leftism always ends in anti semitism, because Jewish populations, for cultural reasons, outcompete their neighbors.And so it's always going to lead to them denigrating that population. Because there [00:31:00] is no explanation for group differences other than discrimination or, you know, Asian populations. We did our Asians are actually that much smarter video, but Asian teens study on average 11 more hours a week than white teens.Yet, that cannot be within the urban monoculture's explanation or justification for allowing a disproportionately Asian population to get into our university system or to get into positions of power because there can be no explanation for group differences other than oppression, and when that is, it is discrimination and unfair rigging of the system in one group's favor, and so when that's taken into account, Well, now you have this framework where powerful is a genuine and honest signal of evil.And, oh God, there was a secondary point I really wanted to make here. How does this relate to vampires, witches, everything like that, right? Okay. If you as a [00:32:00] vampire have to be worried about the public finding out who you are, right? It doesn't matter that you kill innocent people. All right? It doesn't matter the effects that has on other people.It doesn't matter because you are not in control because you are afraid about your identity being revealed. All moral acts are excusable. And a sign of personal defiance and honest and good defiance to the extent where I think you see this reflected in Hamas, right? It doesn't matter that you great children.It doesn't matter that you behead babies. It doesn't matter that you, by the way, to the progressives who think that story was a myth. No, it was the number of babies that were beheaded that was being talked about. There was baby beheading definitely happening. Because you gang graped people. People to death, you know, that doesn't mean anything because you are the weaker one.So you get to do whatever you want, [00:33:00] whenever you want to do it. And that is morally justifiable. And, and so I think that that is where you get this covered, but I think we want to talk about a secondary thing here, which is really interesting. Which is the way that progressive women have begun to relate to dominance due to overly sexualizing themselves.We've talked about this in other episodes, but it appears that there would have been two core sexual strategies women could opt into in a historic context. One is for monogamous relationships But the other is if you are a sex slave being passed around this happened a lot in a historic context We see it in both literature sources and from dna records And you would likely need to not hate that that's happening to you if you're going to survive and how does your body know which situation it's in?It knows based on how many partners you have. And we have mentioned based on Ayla's data, we see this in her data as well. The more partners somebody has as a female, the more they're into violence based sexuality. [00:34:00] And so part of what we might be seeing here is a preference for violence based sexuality due to the promiscuity of the female population.And a, this is an outlet to engage with morally sanctified violence based sexuality. Thanks, everybody. That's one thing. Right. But then the second thing is, is I think women don't know how to relate to dominance anymore. If you see moral dominance, i. e. a male who is just a dominant male, caring figure who helps you and open doors for you and is there for you as a sign of some sort of moral failing as many do.Right. So you cannot be aroused by, you know, astronaut Mike Dexter because he's a bad guy, right? Like he, he plays by the rules. How do you, where bad guy is defined by what I think you and I would call a generically good and well mannered man. You need to find other outlets and they [00:35:00] find that in this denigration by these ethereal characters.Ah, okay. So, evil being sexy is also a product of changing norms around female sexuality, causing women to be more sexually what's the word? Promiscuous. That's the word. And that promiscuity. Leads them to be aroused by less friendly committed partners. Therefore, in media, we're seeing an increase of dark triad traits and evilness being what people are turning to sexually what women are turning to sexually out of interest.And I guess when it comes to the sexy and evil nexus. It does seem to be more of a male character's thing than a female character's thing. Yeah, you get a few female characters, but it's, it's, it's [00:36:00] definitely lower. Actually I'd say that it's the crazy sexy metric, which is more what female evil is associated with.The two characters here being Harley before she was made gross and Jinx. Catwoman a little bit too, at least in the Tim Burton version, which is the best and only version that we should be concerned with. Cause I'm yeah, it's the best and only Catwoman.Speaker 33: The thought of busting Batman makes me feel all Dirty.Speaker 34: Gotta go. Girl talk.Speaker 33: Oh, I forgot I'm not married. Bruce Wayne, why are you dressed up like Batman? Because he is Batman, you moron. Well, that was very brief. Just like all the men in my life.Speaker 35: The so called normal guys who always let you down. Sickos never scare me. At least they're committed.Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. It can [00:37:00] only be one definitely top tier cinema.One of the best films ever made. And I really mean that I do think it's one of the best films ever made. Wow. So this has two. Okay. So Tim Burton's Batman and interview with the vampire. I mean, there's a lot of good films out there. Those are good. No, there aren't anymore, okay? The young generation needs to learn that there was a time when people made good film.And that time has long passed. Yeah, that may be a good different episode in terms of quality changing over time. Yeah. Because I was just thinking about it the other day while cleaning out our attic, like, wow, I better hold on to this. Like we don't have a need for it right now, but the, the versions of this that are constructed now that I can buy now are lower quality a suitcase in this case and also some garments.And I just, when it comes to clothing, even when it comes to media, books, movies supplies, backpacks, appliances, even cars in some cases. The quality that we're getting. And of course, designer [00:38:00] luxury goods as well. Like, you know, Louis Vuitton used to be something that was consistently very, very high quality.Now, you know, you buy a lot of clothes from couture designers supposedly, and they will fall apart after the same number. of wares that something from Banana Republic or Primark will, you know, it's, it's sad. So yeah, I, I see what you're saying there and I, I think that's a broader theme too, is that it's weird that as culture, per our view at least, has degraded which is not the fault per se.Of progressive values are being left leaning. It's the fault of a super virus that has taken over that movement and parasitized it. But the degradation of culture has also correlated. So highly. With the degradation of clothing, quality, food, quality in some, in some instances building quality, think about houses built today.Media [00:39:00] quality, book quality, video game quality, as we discussed in another episode. It's interesting. You're absolutely right. And I think that this degradation can only be resisted through a Well, certain types of social resets is what we really hope for. It's not going to be AI, because what people have pointed out with AI, which I think is really astute, is that people expect revolutions to be often in the form of some fundamentally new or different product or service, when sometimes the revolution takes place in something becoming Mass produced and a lot less expensive to the average person.So quality is actually worse on average, but now everyone can access it. Like I just watched a really interesting YouTube video on how the Bic pen revolutionized literacy because for the first time a non quill based pen and an [00:40:00] affordable pen became available to the masses. They could actually write more.Which is interesting. And I think this is because it's a much more subtle thing that's happening. Something, you know, becoming affordable and also just not that great. It doesn't seem that impactful, but it's intensely impactful. Think about like, I think airline flights similar, right? You know, airline flight used to be.For what you could get at the time, you know, highly luxurious, you know, really, really quote unquote high quality. And now you're kind of in like a Greyhound bus in the sky wedged in with a bunch of people but so many people can access it now maybe fewer than it used to be cause it's so expensive but still, so that's interesting.And I wonder, yeah, this seems to be one of those things, but not the only thing, does any of this connect and correlate to the. Sexy ex Halloween costume, like, sexy?Speaker 36: Halloween is the one night a year when a girl can dress like a total slut and no other girls can say anything about it. [00:41:00] The hardcore girls just wear lingerie and some form of animal ears.. Unfortunately, no one told me about the slut rule. So I showed up like this.Speaker 37: Why are you dressed so scary? It's Halloween. No, I actually think that's a totally different phenomenon. I think that that was just people realized, Oh, I can dress however I want during Halloween I want to be sexy, but I have to be scary?No, it was that they realized I can dress however I want during Halloween even beyond normal sexual mores Rules that would normally say you can't wear that at school. You can't wear that at a party Well, they don't apply at Halloween. So why not? She's how sexy I'm being if those Rules around modesty don't apply on this particular day.That's interesting. Yeah. One thing that I can't square with my past self is why I wore such revealing clothing, despite being so physically self conscious. [00:42:00] I don't know. Why did you, did you wear revealing clothing? I don't remember. I wore many skirts. So there was that. Yeah, I did. Yeah. Like many skirts and high high stockings was like one of my.And what, what, what go to staples from, we'll say age 15 to 26, like a little after I met you, I started dressing conservative after I met you. You actually, I seem to remember this a little bit. You didn't look very good in miniskirts. No, I didn't. But I still wore them. They're not, like, tinting on you.No. I have, like, stocky legs. I don't like my legs. But I'm a woman. Like, women don't like a lot of elements of their body. No, you're very pretty. It just, it doesn't That's nice. He's going in for the save, ladies and gentlemen. Yo, hold on. You're digging the hole deeper, Malcolm. The miniskirt sexy look synergizes with [00:43:00] crazy, unhinged, or bubbly.It does not synergize with With calculating calm, cool, reasonable collective hotness. Yeah, but I was playing the manic pixie dream girl trope before I met you. So not well, Simone. Yeah, I know. Not come off when I met you. I did not think many pixies dream, bro. I was like, Oh, this girl is desperate to have somebody to, to, to.That's just because I thought you were amazing. You, you don't understand. I didn't, I didn't come off like other days. Yeah. No, definitely not. No, definitely not. I was turning people away and then trying to get out of all my other dates and then I met you and was a little too thirsty, apparently. But yeah, I, I, I, it's odd to me that women want young women want to reveal so much of their bodies when, at least if they're anything like me or anything like they signal publicly, they're very self conscious about elements of their bodies.I mean, do you remember the decision [00:44:00] that went into doing that? Did you think that you would do it? The people would respond more positively. No, no, it wasn't. It was never about other people. And I think people get so confused when they think that women dress and put on makeup for other people. And that's so not true.They put it on for themselves. I thought they were cute, I guess. And I saw them on other people and I thought they looked cute on other people. So it was like, I wanted to be in on that. But I wasn't on you. Is it that you wanted to look at yourself in the mirror and be like, Oh, no, I know a lot of it's more and you can see this and how many women choose to dress.They see stuff that they think is pretty and they put it on them. They're not thinking about how they look on it. They're thinking about how the thing looks. Or how it looks on a model and they're like this pretty thing like I want our daughter Titan does this she'll find stuff That's pretty and she'll put it on her and it it's not because she thinks it's gonna look good She's like, ah, like I will accessorize [00:45:00] with this pan on my head How do you counteract this instinct in young women it culturally speaking?I Well, you know, I think young women who grow up on camera and have terrible family influencer parents see themselves so much that I think they realize real quick what they actually look like. I grew up at an age when having images of me was still kind of unusual. So I didn't necessarily know what I looked like.And so I think, and especially now, because even just, I take so many pictures of our, our kids and we have a family album that like plays in our house on our screens. I think our kids just seeing themselves in our family album would be probably enough for them to see whether or not they were pulling off a look.I also think that our family is going to be well known for editorializing on anyone's non uniform wear. And just having like cruel commentary. So having siblings [00:46:00] does, I think, help. In fact, I know fewer people who had siblings, like a lot of them, and have terrible fashion taste. Oh, true that. Yeah.Because I think you just get ruthlessly bullied when you look like a doofus and you have a lot of siblings. That is actually true. I've noticed that.What was that? One of the pumpkins fell. That sounded like glass shattering. Well, it shattered. It was one of the light up pumpkins. I know. It's okay. All right. Love you to Decimone. You are amazing, amazing, amazing. Thank you for being my wife. And I think we have to go get the kids now. I love you. Oh, by the way, I, I realized something on the subject of super stimuli and social media and also different things that get to different genders. There is a super stimuli [00:47:00] genre on tech talk and other shorts based platforms that disproportionately seems to attract women. And it is the genre of restock videos that are often marketed as ASMR as well, but they're all marketed as restock.And this is. You basically just see what a restock video is. I don't know this term. It's fascinating. It is typically you as a viewer are just seeing hands restocking anything. So common restock videos are of refrigerators, freezers, even ice trays. Female hands always because this is a female genre. People are restocking their Stanley cups.People are restocking their guest bathrooms, their powder rooms, their bathrooms, their pantries. And what they're doing is you're just seeing hands. Sometimes cleaning out the thing first, like a purse or a fridge or a closet, and then they are restocking it with brand new products in quick succession, very fast cuts sometimes tapping on bottles or whatever for the ASMR part.But I'm [00:48:00] realizing that it is very much, and I, cause I see even our daughter Titan doing it and I do it all the time, this, I think that there's a female instinct towards squirreling things away. Like I'm putting my, like my little food stores and my little box and it's safe now and like packing and being ready.And I've got all my stuff in my jewelry too. They get these little fancy jewelry boxes and they put the jewelry in the little box, the other box. Oh, I seen it. No, no, no. You, you, you haven't, I'll send you like a, a comp, like a compilation of restock videos, and you'll, you'll see that. They've basically on social media, it, there's been this evolution of a super stimuli of this because people have found organically over time.That when they take video of themselves, restocking people's like women's women's eyes dilate, and they're just like, I need to see more of this. And there are people who all they do, and they have millions of views is just restock their fridges. In fact, fridge, restock videos and shorts are so. [00:49:00] Big now that there are even people who are trying to find their niche by doing themed restocks.Speaker 40: Fart [00:50:00] FartLike wait, what? Yeah, like bridgerton themed fridge restock or like everything and it's like wait, what wait, what would a bridgerton fridge restock look like? It would look like first taking everything out of your fridge and then putting everything back in your fridge But in really girly containers and also putting little like flower, like flowers everywhere in your fridge.Bridgerton like about the past. Yes. Bridgerton is a Regency era romance fantasy show. Containers the Regency themed container. No, it's just There's no logic to this is this is corn as it's women. It's women. Okay. We combine one super stimuli with another, which is historical romances that must equal sales.But then there's also like summer themed and like when people do ice tray restocks, for example, they, they have purchased. [00:51:00] Tons of different expensive silicone based ice molds. And then they've made tons of different themes of ice. Like this is smoothie ice. This is Kahlua ice. This is tiramisu themed cold brew coffee, ice cubes, you know?And then they just put them all into freezer into like, and of course, most of these things involve buying lots of little plastic trays and you're unloading packaged goods into these little trays in a way that looks really neat and organized. You'll see it's a whole genre, but I think it's really fascinating as.It's a female super stimuli and it is absolutely the same as like a very, very busty woman on Pornhub. It, there's no, it is pushing the same kind of button and that there's some deep evolutionary, like, like this, this correlates with my survival. And it's definitely the same. Fascinating to me. This, this genre that it even creeps into like my Instagram feed and I find myself watching it and thinking, Oh, it's bad.It's bad. But it's also so good. [00:52:00] Anyway let's let's get to the podcast Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe

Join us for an eye-opening discussion with Redeemed Zoomer about the Reconquista Project, a movement aimed at reclaiming mainline Protestant denominations from progressive influences. We dive deep into the state of Christianity in America, the challenges faced by conservative believers, and strategies for revitalizing traditional faith in a rapidly changing cultural landscape.Key topics covered:* The goals and strategies of the Reconquista Project* How progressives have influenced mainstream churches* The importance of institutional continuity in Christianity* Gen Z's relationship with faith and conservative values* The dating landscape for conservative young adults* Strategies for raising children in a secular world* The potential conservative turn in Gen Alpha* The impact of progressive Christianity on church attendance* Tactics for engaging in church politics and reformWhether you're a concerned Christian, a culture war enthusiast, or simply interested in the evolving religious landscape of America, this video offers valuable insights into the challenges and opportunities facing traditional faith in the modern world.[00:00:00]Malcolm Collins: There was like a time in my life where I realized that the churches were to the left of like atheism at that point. And I was like, how, how did they pull off this heist?Redeemed Zoomer: Conservatives always give up and run away from institutions, and we make fun of liberals as being snowflakes, but in the past hundred years, progressives have been much more crusaderI've actually noticed that like my, my progressive lady pastor would talk about how she did interfaith dialogues with, like, progressive rabbis and progressive Muslim imams. And what I was thinking is, that's not an interfaith dialogue. You all have the same exact faith, which is just Unitarian Universalist progressivism.A real interfaith dialogue would be like a Christian Fundamentalist Baptist debating, like a Fundamentalist Muslim. debating an Orthodox Jew. That would be an actual interfaith dialogue. A bunch of progressive atheists LARPing as the different, the different religions. That's not an interfaith dialogue.Would you like to know more?Malcolm Collins: [00:01:00] Hello! I am so excited to be here with you guys today. It was ReformZoomer. I know fans have been asking for us to chat with him. And I actually watch his content. It's a really good source.If you are interested in what different forms of Christianity believe and their history. They are videos that I would feel like called to create if he wasn't creating them. But he does such a good job of it. I'd really suggest it. And he does a fairly good job with staying unbiased in this. But he has this project I wanted to talk with him about, because it's something that I've been thinking about, and I've seen other people think about, And you call it the Reconquista Project.So can you outline the goals of the project and who is invited to it?Redeemed Zoomer: Yeah, well, first of all, thanks for having me on the show. It's an honor to be here. By the way, my name is redeemed zoomer not reformed zoomerSimone Collins: every dayRedeemed Zoomer: There's like the 10th podcast i've been on where people have said that it's fine it's like the mandela effect everyone It's don't worry [00:02:00] about it.So yeah, i'm redeemed zoomer. I'm not a pastor. I don't have credentials I just try to be like a gateway drug to point people towards real churches Because the church is something I'm really focused on. I am focused on trying to revive the institutional mainline churches. Those are the churches that matter culturally.Because the progressives in our culture have hijacked every major cultural institution. The mainstream universities, the Boy Scouts, the cities, and most importantly, the churches. The progressives have recognized the impact of the church on society and they were very careful to hijack it. That's why the historic mainline Protestant churches, including the Episcopal Church and the United Methodist Church and the Presbyterian Church USA, have mostly been hijacked by progressivism.So a couple years ago, really just a year ago, I started Operation Reconquista, which is trying to retake the mainline Protestant denominations and make them return to the Orthodox Christian beliefs that they were founded upon. So I am a [00:03:00] confessional Calvinist. I'm a Presbyterian. I'm part of that.Presbyterian Church USA, and I'm dedicated to restoring the Presbyterian Church USA, but Reconquista is an alliance of Christians of all different denominations with the Grecian Christianity dedicated to restoring their denominations too. So we're allied with Methodists, and with Episcopalians, and with Lutherans, and with Baptists, and with the Dutch Reformed.So that's the basic outline of Reconquista. He's stuck. A big misunderstanding is some people think we're trying to send people into liberal churches. We're not trying to do that. Every mainline denomination is a big tent with liberal and conservative churches. So we're trying to set, trying to send people into conservative churches within mainline denominations, knowing that in 30 years, they're going to be the only ones left.Malcolm Collins: Ooh, why do you believe that's the case?Redeemed Zoomer: I believe that's the case because, well there's like a spiritual reason and just a statistical reason. Spiritually people only have a desire to go to church if the church is preaching something that they can't get anywhere else. Progressive [00:04:00] churches just echo whatever the culture says, so there's no reason anyone should go to a progressive church.The only people who still go to those churches are boomers who grew up in an age when church was a social obligation, but now it's not. Nowadays, the only reason people would go to church is if the church is actually preaching anything. So that's just the logical reason, but Statistically, we also see that the progressive congregations and mainline denominations are in demographic freefall and the conservative ones less so.That is true. And the progressives know it's true, which is why they are trying to discriminate against the conservatives in the denomination as hard as possible.Malcolm Collins: So I'm wondering if you could talk, maybe focusing on one church or one example that you're aware of. How the progressives pulled this off, and I will say this is for me who grew up secular, who grew up an atheist.There was like a time in my life where I realized that the churches were to the left of like atheism at that point. And I was like, how, how did they pull off this heist? Can you go into that?Redeemed Zoomer: [00:05:00] Yeah, it's very simple. They didn't give up. Conservatives always give up and run away from institutions, and we make fun of liberals as being snowflakes, but in the past hundred years, progressives have been much more comfortable leaving their comfort zones.They've been much more crusader minded. And here's the best example. In the United Methodist Church, there was a big struggle between the progressives who wanted to have gay marriage and the conservatives who didn't want to have gay marriage. In 2019, they had a vote. The conservatives won the vote, and they said all the churches have to stop doing in the United Methodist Church.Sounds like good news for conservatives. Well, the progressives doubled down. They didn't give up. They kept just disobeying and breaking the rules as hard as possible. And within about a year, the conservatives got so fed up, they left the denomination and formed the Global Methodist Church. They won the dang vote, and they left the dang church.Conservatives over the past hundred years have been complete cowards and the leftists have been really strong willed conquistadors, and that's why the left has [00:06:00] taken over every major institution. Now you could say the left is funded by people like George Soros, that's absolutely true, but it's also just the mindset.The left has an activist mindset, the conservatives have a retreatist mindset, and that's why they always lose. That's why conservatives have lost every single major institution, it's why rates of Christianity go down every single year, it's why rates of LGBT acceptance increase in the institutions every single year.Malcolm Collins: Can you talk about how you could inspire this within conservatives? Like, what would it look like to approach this differently as a conservative? And, and, and do you think that conservatives can out The, what's the word here? Can Keith the door or crusade, the progressives or the progressives always gonna win on this front.Redeemed Zoomer: They can, they're just not willing to, they're just too lazy. They'd rather not focus on this. A lot of conservatives would just rather move to a form in the middle of nowhere and. Do homesteading and raise kids. It's like, that's honorable, but that's not what the early Christians did. That that's not how the early Christians conquered the Roman empire.The early Christians went to the cities and they were fed to the lions for it. But over the centuries, they rose in the [00:07:00] ranks of the Roman empire and they took it over from the inside. But right now it's the left that's doing this. It's the left. That's going to the cities and rising the ranks. It's the conservatives that are retreating to the rural areas.I believe, and I think most conservatives believe conservatives are inherently stronger people than progressives. They're much more mentally stable. I think they're much more sane. They have a lot more common sense. I do like to think that conservative men are tougher than liberal men. I think that's pretty obvious, but it sure doesn't seem like it.They sure ain't acting like it. They're acting like a bunch of, a bunch of wimps when it comes to the culture war. So I think once conservatives just realize that running away has been the only strategy conservatives have employed the past hundred years and it keeps not working, I think once they realize that they will start to have more of a reconquista mindset as opposed to a retreatist mindset.Malcolm Collins: Okay, but I, I'd frame this a little differently here. I, I think that this has been happening because I was thinking through my mind, like where in history has the more, in my mind, conservative [00:08:00] faction been like, nope, we're out. And I'm like, oh, that's how America was founded. Right? Like they were a bunch of different actionable, like Bible readers were like, nope, we're out.We're not playing this game anymore. And they ended up building this This, this, this great institution, and then over time, it's sort of corrupted. And we, we personally have this model of the way that like religions grow and that you have these reformational periods where you get to like a, a purer strain of the religion.And then you have this explosion of culture and technology, and then that creates bureaucracy. And then the bureaucracy allows for the progressives to gain power. I don't know if in a historic example, I think you're right about the Roman Empire. That is a historic example of where conservatives beat progressives within a bureaucracy.But I, I, I wonder if the Christians of the Roman time period weren't the progressives. Well,Simone Collins: Malcolm, are you saying that we need to build our city upon a hill in space? Like, is that your Reconquista? [00:09:00] Well,Malcolm Collins: no, yeah, build, build it on another planet. I don't know. But what are your, what are your thoughts on this, this framing of like the U.S. is like,Redeemed Zoomer: yeah. Yeah. So one of my most watched videos is I graphed denominations on the church compass. You've heard of the political compass. Well, there's also the church. IMalcolm Collins: watch these videos. They're great.Redeemed Zoomer: The church compass. Yeah. So you would know that there are two axes. The thing with America, with the Puritans leaving England, that was not a left versus right issue.Both sides of that debate were far right extremists by today's standards, right? It's high church versus a low church issue. The Episcopal Anglicans of the Church of England were high church. Mm-Hmm. and the congregationalists were low church. Mm-Hmm, . So I don't think this model of retreat and Reconquista really applies to high church and low church debates.I think it does apply to progressive versus conservative debates. to right and left. So I just don't think the Puritan model is really relevant to this.Simone Collins: I don'tRedeemed Zoomer: think there's ever an example of conservatives leaving a left wing institution [00:10:00] and it becoming, and the conservatives succeeding more as a result of that.I don't think there's a single example of that.Malcolm Collins: Okay, here's a question I have for you. Do you think more, because high church versus low church is in part about the way the bureaucracies are structured, do you think that one is more susceptible to this progressive sort of memetic virus than the other?Redeemed Zoomer: No because in, Across the denominational spectrum, progressivism has sort of equally hijacked both high church and low church denominations. With progressivism, it's really a trade off, because in denominations with a low church structure, with very little bureaucracy, it's a lot easier for the progressives to hijack it, because there's not much of an authority to keep them out.But when they do hijack, it's a lot easier for conservatives to resist. That's why in the United Church of Christ, the successors of the Puritan Congregationalists in New England, yeah, it's very, very progressive. It's very low church, it's very progressive. But there's no apparatus to enforce that [00:11:00] progressivism, so conservative congregational conservative congregations are able to resist no problem.Then look at the Episcopal Church, very high church, very bureaucratic. It was, it is harder for the progressives to hijack that. It's, it's slower to make change in the Episcopal church, but once the change is made, it is almost impossible for conservatives to resist. I know an Episcopal priest who tried to resist and he got forced out of the Episcopal church due to that.Same with Bishop Love of Albany. So,Malcolm Collins: this is, hold on, Simone, before you go, I was just going to say that I, this is a concept that we would call institutional inertia, that he's describing, that they have higher institutional inertia. It takes more force to get the ball rolling, but it also takes more force to stop the ball.Anyway, Simone, you were going to say something?Simone Collins: You described the, the first step of this, the, the of, of, we have to recognize that basically conservative Christians need to grow a pair and like fight Yes. Not retreat. Yes. What are the, the logistical next steps, the concrete things that you see happening?Are people forming [00:12:00] new? Congregations, are they like, I mean, to a certain extent, I don't know how the bureaucracies could be retaken. Are they like dissolving what exists?Malcolm Collins: He referenced one win that they've already had. Can you talk about that?Redeemed Zoomer: Did I in this video?Malcolm Collins: No, not in this video, but in some of your videos, but you just didn't explain it.Redeemed Zoomer: So to answer your question, no, we're not going to try and create new congregations. We're trying to strengthen the existing conservative congregations in the Presbyterian church, USA, only 10 percent of the congregations are conservative, but that's still a hundred congregations all over the country.It's still quite a few, and those are going to be the only ones left if we strengthen them. Also, there's a lot of moderate congregations. I'd say about 30 percent of the denomination is moderate and most of their inhabitants are conservative. 10 boomers basically. It is so easy to influence a mainline Protestant church because they give out leadership positions like free candy.I was one of the Sunday school teachers when I was 15. It took my dad like two years to become an elder at our church. It is so easy for lay people to have an [00:13:00] impact, especially because there's a severe pastor shortage. There's a severe pastor shortage. Over half of PCUSA churches are without a pastor, so that means it's run entirely by lay people, which means anyone could join the church and influence it.So those are some practical strategies for how to influence the individual congregations, but what about the denominational bureaucracy? Well, last year is when the Reconquista movement started. It started with just an Instagram group chat of 12 people, and then it expanded to a Discord server of about 3, 000 people, including a lot of pastors.And then within the incubator of that Discord server, we started the Non profit Presbyterians for the Kingdom, dedicated to retaking the PCUSA. And, simultaneously, for this summer's General Assembly, there was an overture, an overture is like a bill, like a congressional bill, an overture to require new pastors to be gay affirming.And that would basically kill all the conservative churches. But thanks to our organization, the president of our organization, who's not me, it's a guy named David Yancey, but the president of our [00:14:00] organization. Visited the General Assembly, put together a coalition of conservative pastors, and amended that overture so it would no longer examine new pastoral candidates according to principles of non discrimination against LGBT folks, but instead according to historic principles of the church.So he basically neutered that amendment and protected all the conservatives. So if a bunch of kids on Discord were able to stop the denomination from kicking out all the conservatives, imagine what pastors who actually have a footing in the denomination could do.Malcolm Collins: How did they get that language in the build to, like, what logic were they using?Do they, do they have to explain this or they can just like put a bill like that out?Redeemed Zoomer: Well, the way the, it works is that presbyteries in the denomination can send an overture that the rest of them vote on. It was a very progressive presbytery that wrote this and because the majority of the denomination is progressive, basically any progressive overture that gets written will most likely be approved.But, There was nothing stopping us from trying to amend the [00:15:00] overture, and my friend David, who's the president of the organization we started last year, he was able to actually get that done.Malcolm Collins: So I want to highlight what you're saying here, because it's actually really important. We've had people in our Discord who have told me Just get involved.One of the mainline churches. You're, you know, they are desperate for, for people like this. And I think for our audience who are maybe less theologically weird than us there, there is not a lot of competition as it seems like you're saying for moving up within these organizations. If you're really passionate about it, especially if you're young and, and this, if you've been thinking about it, but like, think you might not be qualified or think you might be It's probably worth doing because there are a lot of people who seem to have this predominantly progressive religion.We're like their religion actually is far progressivism and they'll just go into other institutions. They see it as their calling, whether or not they're competent, whether or not they know anything about the Bible to get into churches and start voting on stuff. So I absolutely love that message.[00:16:00] A question I'd have, because I actually wonder about this. Now, I can see, if we were talking about, like, a church with, like, a lot of money, and where, like, the central body is, like, laying out a doctrine like you might have with a Catholic church or something like this, why this would be really important.I'm a little, like, what's the value of institutional continuity? Like, like, what, what, what core good thing are you getting by taking the time to win this fight instead of just starting something new? What's the value in recapturing these old institutions?Redeemed Zoomer: Because every time the church has transformed culture, it's been through the institutions.The church didn't transform Roman society until it became institutional and established with Constantine. It was the church that founded the modern hospital system, that founded the university system, is the church that made Western civilization what it is, and it wasn't able to do that without being strong, established, and institutional.You know, Jesus said, heal the sick. How did Christians do that [00:17:00] historically? By building hospitals. There's a reason you never see non denominational churches building hospitals. They don't have the resources to do that. They're not established. They don't inherit generational wealth. It's important for the church to be the kingdom of God.And a kingdom is not just a gathering of individuals. It's organized. It's developed. It builds beautiful things for the king. So, there are I, I can't even list all the benefits of having a strong, established institutional church. That is what all Christians had between the years like 321 and 1960.Between those two years, for the greater part of church history, every Christian was part of an established institutional denomination. And the only reason that's declining was, is because of the rise of non denominationalism and conservative offshoot denominations. Because like, like I just said with the Methodists, every denomination split in recent years has not been a split.It's been the denominations splitting into original [00:18:00] and conservative. It's been the conservatives leaving the original thing and making their own thing, which does not inherit the denominational structures, universities, hospitals, buildings, all that.Malcolm Collins: So it's, it's, it's as much about the institutional continuity and the maintenance of the assets as like a, but what's even the point of splitting off if you have now lost this large structure that you need to do all of these big acts, which is a very strong argument that I hadn't considered.Redeemed Zoomer: What's, what's the point of, what's the point of splitting off if you lose all that? Yep, I know, that's the point that you're making. That's what I'm asking. Now, what they would say is, we want a pure denomination. We want a denomination where we don't have to battle liberalism. But two things. If you split off and your denomination actually grows into something, the liberals will just hijack that too.Because right now, even the, the poor evangelical offshoots are now getting hijacked by liberalism. Not to the same extent, but the liberals will hijack everything. They just hijack the more powerful [00:19:00] things first and then move on to the less powerful things. It's the same reason there's no red states, because Gen Z of every state is, is completely progressive.But another thing I would say is purity is. a spiral. There's like purity spiraling. No two fundamentalists have the same set of fundamentals. So if you split off because not everything's going your way, people are going to split off from you because not everything's going their way. It's an endless cycle.A lot of Catholics will say Protestantism leads to endless schism. No, I think retreatism leads to endless schism, because if you split off from your denomination because they're not doing everything the way you want. Someone's going to split off from you because you're not doing everything the way they want.That's why sorry, that's why in every tradition, like Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Lutheran, you'll have one mainline denomination and like 20 conservative offshoot denominations because the conservatives can't agree with each other on what they need to conserve.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and I think for people who aren't involved in church politics, like me [00:20:00] putting on my old hat, I would have assumed that when the church was splitting, it would have been the progressives who were splitting off from the conservatives but it's, it's the progressives that inherit, and when the conservatives split off, another thing to remember that I hadn't considered before it's okay.So you have a big institution and you create a conservative offshoot. Now, what you've done is you've drawn all the voting power that used to be in that institution that now moves to your conservative offshoot out of the original institution, giving the progressives even a firmer grip than they had before.Redeemed Zoomer: Yes. I forgot to mention that when I first saw all the progressivism in my denomination, the PC USA, I told my mentor who was still conservative. I told him I wanted to leave and he said, don't leave. The reason it got this bad is because the conservatives kept running away. They need to fix it. So it's like, whenever the PCA, the PCA is the conservative counterpart to the PCUSA.And they are a lot more doctrinally sound, I'll give them that. But they didn't inherit all the institutions and they're poor. So whenever they say, [00:21:00] Oh, your denomination is super liberal. I'm like, yeah, cause you ran away from it. You ran away when push came to shove. And now I have to deal with all the liberals.Malcolm Collins: A funny thing that I'm thinking about is once progressives begin to go extinct, you know, because of fertility rates and, and, and their ability to speak to people, is there going to be an opportunity for conservatives to go into institutions like the UUs and try to take over their apparatus? I would love to see that.Redeemed Zoomer: Now, Re Conquista, the Re in Re Conquista means turning things back into the way they originally were. I'm not interested in hijacking heretical denominations because I don't want to make the Unitarian Universalists go back to traditional Unitarian doctrine because that's heresy. Same with the Mormon Church, same with Islam, even though Islam is experiencing no progressive hijack.Same with Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm only really interested in retaking the, the historic Trinitarian denominations. But answer your question. If we, if [00:22:00] the progressives go extinct, that'll be great. Yeah, then we could take back anything. But the problem is, I don't think they're going to go extinct because yeah, they have low birth rates, but they make up for it in indoctrination and even conservatives who try to shelter their kids.If you own the cultural institutions like the Left does, you will always be able to influence the masses and convert the masses. The Left does so much more evangelism than Christians, because Christians evangelize individuals, but the Left evangelizes institutions. So they just pollute the waters with Leftism, and that reaches the masses without them having to talk to a single individual.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah, we always talk about this. I mean, as we call it, the urban monoculture can only survive by parasitizing children from demographically healthy cultural groups or importing children. I mean, that's exactly what we're seeing, which is, there was something else you said that I wanted to you to expand on because I thought it was such a good point.You were saying one of the reasons why The progressive churches are going to die is what you will hear at a progressive church isn't differentiated from what you hear within [00:23:00] generic media within online spaces within, well, anywhere you go for an urban monoculture message, but what you hear in a conservative church is unique and you can only get it in that venue.Can you talk a bit more to this? Because I found this really profound.Redeemed Zoomer: Yeah, well, when I was in my local PCUSA church, at first we had a normal pastor, but then he retired, so we had a progressive interim lady pastor, and she was my first introduction to progressive Christianity, and because I came from a secular, liberal background, I considered it.She recommended that I go to progressivechristianity. com and become a progressive Christian, basically. I considered it, because, you know, I come from a progressive background. What if I could make progressivism compatible with Christianity? That sounds great to me at first. But what I realized is, these people don't believe in anything at all.All they believe in is whatever the secular culture believes. They don't believe in the supernatural. Progressive Christians don't believe Jesus rose from the dead. Progressive Christians don't think of God as something that's actually real. They think of God as a [00:24:00] nice way to inspire people to do love and social justice.The only difference between them and hardcore atheists like Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens is they believe that the idea of God can inspire people to be woke. They believe God, they believe the concept of God can be used as a tool for oppression. When in the hands of the white man, but can also be used as a tool for liberation when in the hands of oppressed POCs.Malcolm Collins: That is, I love, by the way, I had to Google this website that you mentioned here to see if this was a real thing, and I am going to be diving into this. This is fantastic. But I think that you're really right, and it's a concept that we talk about on the show pretty frequently which, when we're talking about the, the, the urban monoculture, that it allows you, or this progressive culture it allows you to join it and maintain, like, Your church and your church identity.You just have to change your entire internal ideology. Like it keeps very, very little of the original ideology. And it's actually interesting when contrasted with a point that you [00:25:00] made earlier, which is to say that all of the conservatives, because they actually really believe stuff, they have much more.Like more different theology between them than the progressives do between them where if I get to like an extremist conservative Of one denomination of christianity They will have more differences with another extreme conservative of the same denomination than like a progressive christian will from a progressive muscleRedeemed Zoomer: Exactly.I've actually noticed that like my, my progressive lady pastor would talk about how she did interfaith dialogues with, like, progressive rabbis and progressive Muslim imams. And what I was thinking is, that's not an interfaith dialogue. You all have the same exact faith, which is just Unitarian Universalist progressivism.A real interfaith dialogue would be like a Christian Fundamentalist Baptist debating, like a Fundamentalist Muslim. debating an Orthodox Jew. That would be an actual interfaith dialogue. A bunch of progressive atheists LARPing as the different, the different religions. That's not an interfaith [00:26:00] dialogue.Malcolm Collins: That is such a good way to put it. Is there LARPing as Christians really to gain access to the Christian bureaucracies and the resources those bureaucracies have, as well as the wills of these idiot doomers who don't realize that this isn't the 90s anymore. Which, as a Zoomer, must be so hard for you, like, how do you, how do you wake up the older generation?I'm wondering what trends are you seeing in your generation right now in terms of faith and the way they're relating to it?Redeemed Zoomer: Okay, so there's a lot of bad, and there's a little bit of good, but the little bit of good is still kind of bad. So, a lot of bad. Gen Z is the least religious generation in history, statistically.It's also the most depressed generation in history. What a coincidence. If you ask boomers why Gen Z is so depressed, they're all like, it's those dang phones, that's why. No, it's not those dang phones. If you ask the mainstream media, it's like, oh, well, the economy's kind of bad. No, people lived through the Great Depression, the Black Death.They were not as [00:27:00] depressed as people are today. It's because they abandoned God. That's why. That's why they're depressed. But there is a segment of Gen Z that is very trad. It's like the trad movement reacting against that. So that is a good thing. It's got a lot of good potential. We are seeing a bunch of young men.reacting against this. Young men grew up in public schools where they were basically told that they're bad for being straight white men. I'm a Calvinist. I think we are bad. I am a bad but it's not because I'm a straight white man. It's because I'm a totally depraved sinner. But black women are also totally depraved sinners.So a lot of young men are reacting against this leftism. But a lot of the trad movement is not directing people into traditional confessional Protestant churches. A lot of people are part of this, you know, trad aesthetic without actually, like, going to church. A lot of people are LARPing as, like, trad Catholic or trad Eastern Orthodox, not realizing that Eastern Orthodoxy did not build Western civilization.If you go to an Eastern Orthodox country, it's a craphole. [00:28:00] Protestantism and Calvinism built the West.Malcolm Collins: It's We, we talk about this a lot. I don't want, I don't want to, like, we don't want to get too in it for our Catholic audience, but we have this meme where we do the scene in Indiana Jones where they're trying to choose the correct Holy Grail.And I always overlay it with pictures of the different churches.Redeemed Zoomer: Yeah, no it, Protestantism is what built Western civilization, maybe Catholicism, not Eastern Orthodoxy people are trying to move towards what they think has not been hijacked by leftism, and I will grant that Eastern Orthodoxy has not been hijacked by leftism, but it's the same reason Islam has not been hijacked by leftism, it's the same reason Somalia has not been hijacked by leftism.The leftism hijacks what's good and powerful. Well, Protestantism was successful and powerful. That's why the leftists hijacked it. The leftists don't hijack, you know, poor countries. The leftists don't hijack religions that are not a threat to them, like Islam or Jehovah's Witnessism. The leftists hijacked Calvinism because that's what's the biggest threat to them.So, a lot of the trad movement is, has [00:29:00] good intentions and a lot of good potential, but it's still directing people in the wrong directions. It's also directing people towards, like, Andrew Tate and the red pill movement, which is, like, actually, Very disrespectful towards women. It does not create gentlemen.It creates a bunch of jerks on twitter And it does not create anything. That's actually productive for society.Malcolm Collins: I I love this No, I I agree with everything you're saying here one of the And I had a few lines of questions that I wanted to go in from here One of the things that we've noted before on this show and I was wondering your thoughts on this is When society started to become more secular You many of the men and the women broke off from the church but many of the men are returning because the way they broke off was different.And I think that this is also true as in the younger generations whereas the men mostly became atheists and then just logically they went back to the church, whereas the women became like pagans and Wiccans and spiritualists, and it's much harder to reconvert to that. The spiritualist than the [00:30:00] the atheist and so the example that i'd use here is like well first I'd be like, how do you how do you think that we can win the women back or what's the yeah?Redeemed Zoomer: I think men need to act more mature. Jordan cooper talks about this Jordan cooper is one of the best theologians online He's a lutheran pastor and he talks about actually being Trad in a real sense, not just in a LARPing sense, and he says that a lot of the Ways in which men are trad is actually not very trad because they'll like insult women on the internet Traditional men would never insult random stranger women.They would be very respectful They'd be gentlemen. So a lot of women see see the whole ben shapiro owning the libs type conservatism as immature so the way to make women Women like this conservative movement more is for the men to grow up more and to be more respectful and chivalrous And that'll make them actually like it because men are the leaders of society whether we like it or notSimone Collins: I'm notRedeemed Zoomer: saying women [00:31:00] can't be leaders I'm saying naturally if men go a certain way and they succeed in that way women will follow So I think we mainly need to target young men while also promoting female influencers like ali beth stuckey who contradict the mainstream leftist narrative about self love and self care and self obsession, all that.Malcolm Collins: Oh, before I go with the next question here, I want to hear your two questions. One is do you have a partner and what is dating like for conservative Zoomers of your generation?Redeemed Zoomer: Yes, I have a fiancee. I'm getting married in a couple months. Congratulations. Thank you. And she is a based trad Calvinist, just like me, but unlike me, she's from Kansas.I couldn't find. Any Christian girls where I was, I had to go over a thousand miles away to find her. I found her on an online Bible study that she started during COVID. So what it's dating like for Gen Z, it's a nightmare. I hit the jackpot. I'm weird. For most men, they can't find any girls at all, [00:32:00] let alone Christian girls.They can't find any girls at all because hookup culture has just caused, you know, most women to have hookups with a bunch of. popular guys who will use them. So it's not good for men. It's not good for women either. Because most women can only find men who are total slobs, men who just want to use their bodies and will dump them like they're a piece of garbage who won't value them at all.So yeah, dating is more of a nightmare for Gen Z than for any other generation. I think the only safe haven for dating is in the church. And that's why I was only able to really find a decent woman through the church, but of course not my church. I had to it was from a Presbyterian church over a thousand miles away, but still the church is a bit of a safe haven.And I think that can be an evangelistic tactic. Because when people see that relationships are more stable in the Christian church, they will maybe see that Christianity helps stabilize society and there might be some truth to it. Of course, I don't think Christianity is true because it's useful. It's useful because it's true, but go on.Malcolm Collins: Well, so I [00:33:00] make two notes here. One is, you know, from your fruits, you'll know them. I see a lot of influencers out there. When I look at these red pill adjacent people, they're never engaged. They're almost never married. When I look at the young Catholic influencers, like almost never married. So like clearly when he's saying you don't need to be this ultra masculine, whatever thing to, to secure a good partner.I think you're showing like by your own win that that's true. But I was second question I had about your partner, because I was thinking, like, where are all the conservative, sane women I know, and they're all sort of autists, or on the spectrum? Is that your wife, or is that not?Redeemed Zoomer: No, I mean, she does, she has very high IQ.She's a classical musician, but she's relatively normal. I will say that you are right that most women who are, like, really conservative and active about it are, you know, Maybe a little bit on the spectrum, but not exclusively. I know, okay, get this for some reason, for whatever reason up until college, most of my friends were just female.Now it's kind of 50 [00:34:00] 50. I know I have so many male friends who are like, there are no Christian girls. And I have so many female friends who are like, there are no Christian guys. Something isn't adding up mathematically. People just have to meet each other, and most of these ladies I'm friends with, or guys I'm friends with, are not like autistic or anything.People are just anti social. They don't put themselves out there. They don't see any people at their own local church, and they just give up. It's like, for the secular world, there is no hope. But for Christians, if they put themselves out there enough, they can meet people. And I think the internet might be okay with that.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, no, I think I think you make a good point there. And I look at the sacrifices you made to find your partner dating someone 1000 miles away, you know whenever somebody's like, Oh, I don't have a part. I'm like, Are you doing your five days a week? And they're like, What a week? Like, I'm like, Yeah, it's hard.You gotta be doing a lot. Another thing I wanted to ask for your generation, because I think this is the big thing that has switched between the generations. When I was growing up, but I mean, I think [00:35:00] perceptionally, it must be very different for you. When I was growing up you had the Christian, like, fuddy duddies, and then the secularists and the secularists were like, come join us, like we're having fun.Like you can have sex whenever you want with whoever you want. You can do whatever you want and look at how much fun secular society is. And now, in your generation, They, I think it's very clear that the secular society is like breaking down and like having mental breakdowns every other day and like barely holding their lives together.And just the draw of the other isn't as big anymore. I'm wondering, do you think that this will help you in terms of like your raising your kids? How are you thinking about as you raise your kids to keep them from falling?Redeemed Zoomer: I think we need to give them atheism vaccines. So many times I've seen Christian parents try to shelter their kids so much and hide them away from society.And the second they get the slightest bit of exposure to atheism and leftism, they go all in. So I am not planning to raise my kids in a [00:36:00] farm in rural Idaho. I'm a Yankee. I could never do farming anyway. I'm planning to live in a major city. I'm planning to let my kids see how much, Idiots. How much, how much of idiots secular people can be and have them know what it is from an early age.And I'm not totally against public school either because a lot of people are like, oh, you have to send your kids to Christian schools. Most people associate school with the worst times of their lives. I don't want people to associate God with school. Ha! Fair point. I'm okay with people associating secular progressivism with school.I'm okay with that. It's hard to survive public school as a Christian, but if you do, which I did, you'll be basically a Christian Navy Seal. Nothing will change. The most jaded people to Christianity, I I've ever met are people who are raised in like dumb evangelical schools where like the janitor is the science teacher and science classes watching.God's not dead. Episode 57. If you're going to do Christianity, don't do low [00:37:00] IQ Christianity, but I think the worst thing you can do to keep kids in the faith is shelter them in low IQ, you know, fundamentalist Baptist Christianity. The best thing you can do is catechize them well and raise them in the faith, but also give them exposure to secularism from the time they're babies.Oh,Malcolm Collins: that's great. I, I, I completely agree with you. And it's something that we often talk about on the show is that one of the core ways that the progressive urban monoculture will peel out your kid is in the areas where you haven't built solid mimetic structures for them. The most common one they use here is gender and sexual identity stuff.And that means that you need to teach them this stuff, Before the schools do and you need to teach them. It was outstrawment. Like if you teach it to them and you're like, all these people are evil. And then they meet one in this person doesn't feel evil to them immediately. You're like, Oh, maybe my parents were lying about that.I'm open to hearing what you have to say. And this is why it's really important to not go with the, their evil mindset, but a, you know, they're trying to do what they think is right, but they fall in for the path and that. You know the, the, [00:38:00] the, this stuff isn't going to come looking evil. It's gonna come looking like a friend trying to help you.And I think that you, you've done a very good job with, with how you'll handle that.Redeemed Zoomer: They're not evil. They're not evil. I mean, we're all evil. They're not evil. They're just depressed. I've never seen a mentally stable trans person. They don't exist. What, I was a leftist. I was fully supportive of all this LGBT nonsense.What convinced me was I kept seeing young women who were perfectly happy and healthy, much more happy and healthy than me, perfectly happy and healthy, develop some LGBT identity, usually like the first stage is bisexual, and then they move from bisexual to she slash they, then to they them, and then their lives would completely fall apart, they would attempt self harm, they would go to the mental institution, and then they would just die.They would look different. They would make themselves look ugly on purpose. So it doesn't take a genius to sense that something is wrong with this LGBT movement. I've actually made memes about the stages of an Emily. It's like she starts off being a happy, [00:39:00] healthy girl, then she gets into left wing activism, then she becomes bisexual, then she attempts self harm, then she's a she slash they, and then she runs away from home and hates her parents who did nothing but love her.Malcolm Collins: Did you know that 89 percent of trans people regularly think about and that around 40 to 50 percent depending on the study you're looking about have tried.Redeemed Zoomer: So if you want to love your neighbor, if you want to love your trans neighbor, you got, you have to help them with this. It's clearly not healthy.The vast majority of them, I think every single one of them has severe mental issues. It's not good for them.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, and we're not going to, we're going to do a future episode on this, but this is something that I'd note is there are other solutions to this. For example, there was a study that showed that anti psychotics remove feelings of gender dysphoria.So, you know, it's, it's more just that we're not allowed to say that there are other potential solutions that don't lead to a 40 percent unaliving themselves rate. And I will say that. For me on this topic, very similar to you, I used to be totally open to it, and the core thing that has moved me [00:40:00] progressively against it is knowing trans people over time, where at first, I was like, this seems to be working for them, everything is good, and then over time, I'm just like, of the ones I know, I'm like, ooh, this did not work out as well.It was the same with polyamory, I used to be like, much more pro polyamory. But then now knowing lots of polyamorous couples over time, there are very, very few that have worked out that I've seen when contrasted with the monogamous couples, I know but yeah, any final question, Simone?Simone Collins: Yeah, I wanted to ask.I mean, you mentioned that Gen Z is not doing so well by most measures. Sometimes I get the intuition that Gen Alpha. Is starting to turn around like Gen Alpha is taking a hard conservative turn in many ways because they're seeing Gen Z crash and burn. They're seeing how miserable millennials are.They're seeing that a lot of the stuff that boomers preached is like ruining the world. Are you seeing that? And do you think that this is a matter of like a groundswell from Gen Alpha really fueling the Reconquista? Or do you think [00:41:00] it's more just that in the end, kind of similar to perinatalism, this isn't about winning everyone over.It's about. A very small number of people in the end, ultimately inheriting the future because they're the ones that just show up. What, which way is it going to go?Redeemed Zoomer: That's a good question, Simone. I agree that even if we get a bunch of numbers, it won't matter if they're not elite and in the institutions.But it is true that we are seeing an even stronger reaction in Gen Alpha. You know, many times I'll get messages. From people saying like, oh your videos converted me to christianity. Thank you so much. And i'm like, i'm like, oh great do you need help finding a church? They're like, oh, I can't go to church Why because i'm 13 and my parents won't let me and i'm like seriously And I in my discord server, you know I, I interact with a lot of Gen Alpha people.That's why I know all the Gen Alpha memes and stuff. There are so many Gen Alpha people who want to be Christians. Unfortunately, it's often Eastern Orthodox, but still, it's good there for a lot of Gen Alpha people who want to be Christians and their liberal millennial parents won't let them. So it's like the first case I've seen where it's, [00:42:00] Frequent that young people are more conservative and right wing than their parents So for all the gen alpha people watching I have skibbity ohio rizMalcolm Collins: Skibbity ohio riz.I love that you're gonna be old too. You have no idea. I wonder I already amRedeemed Zoomer: old. I'm, I'm, I'm the next generation on the chopping block.Malcolm Collins: Right? Well, it has been great to have you on. I really hope our fans who are watchers, I mean, maybe who knows how many hot watchers, we get like 96 percent of votes.I don't think we get that many hate watchers, but I imagine that we do like in my head. I always expect half our watchers are hate watchers, but anyway, go check out his channel. Go check out the Reconquista movement. I think it's a really important movement. And it's something that I, before this video, I had not thought about trying to get involved in any traditional churches.And now I'm like, maybe it's worth the effort.Redeemed Zoomer: I have a map of 2 million people see the map. You can find traditional churches all over the country. If you're in America, you can find a traditional church. [00:43:00]Malcolm Collins: Can you send me the the map? No, and I, I should note that our theology is pretty weird, but it's less weird than like women preachers.You know, I, I, I, I, I, our theology is off the rails, but then when I consider what's taking over these churches, I'm like, well, that's even more off the rails than us. So, you know.Redeemed Zoomer: Cool. I sent the map in the private chat.Malcolm Collins: All right. I'll put it in the description here for, for viewers. We'll have an absolutely spectacular day.And please have lots of kids.Redeemed Zoomer: Great. 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In this eye-opening episode, we dive deep into the world of internet personas, viral phenomena, and the shocking truth behind Nikocado Avocado's recent transformation. We explore the concept of disintermediated social interactions in the online world and how content creators like Nikocado capitalize on human psychology to build their audience.Key topics covered:* Nikocado Avocado's dramatic weight loss reveal and its implications* The psychology behind parasocial relationships in the digital age* How internet personalities craft their personas for maximum engagement* The role of supernormal stimuli in online content creation* Insights into Elon Musk's public persona and social media strategy* Discussion on Trump's 2024 campaign and proposed Government Efficiency Commission* Analysis of public misconceptions about demographic statistics* Personal anecdotes and insights from the hosts' experiences as content creatorsWhether you're a content creator, a social media enthusiast, or simply curious about the psychology behind internet fame, this video offers valuable insights into the complex world of online personas and audience engagement.[00:00:00] the online environment has become a disintermediated set of social interactions in which I have a conversation with you, the audience, while you lose the interactive portion of the conversation, what you gain is the ability to, instead of being limited by the types of people you could actually get to spend time conversing with you, you can get anyone to converse with you. So I'll explain this using a porn analogy, right? In the real world, you are limited to sexual partners, like you would have a conversation partner, who would actually deign to have sex with you.But what we need to talk about here is the role that Nick Avocado ended up playing in this disintermediated social contract. He had become, for a lot of the internet, that fat, pathetic kid. Yeah. You engage with him for the emotional context you get for picking on the fat, pathetic kid [00:01:00] in school. He filled that niche.Speaker 7: Stupid noodles!He filledthat niche and he had been saying for years that when he turned 30, he was gonna lose all the weight and then just go back to a normal life,So I amThe point being is that Nick Acato, Avocado, people should have known this about him. This guy went to Juilliard.Speaker 12: I got a full ride scholarship to my school. Could you, could you show us? The Juilliard School .He, he was a concert level violinist. No way.Speaker 13: A YouTuber named Violin Mechanic also watched all of Nick's violin videos, concluding he was near professional.It goes to show though, there's, what are the career prospects?Well, and that's the point to all of this. This was an incredibly talented actor, a diligent individual who, Understood the new social contract of the internet [00:02:00] and used it to make enough money that he never needed to do anything again by playing the fat kidWould you like to know more?Hello, Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today. We are going to be discussing a number of recent viral online phenomenon and moments that I think are you know, there was a post Elon had not long ago when he's like, when you are trying to determine between multiple things happening on the world stage, what would be the most interesting thing to happen?And that's the one that's going to happen. And he's like. When people were discussing Elon buying Twitter, it was like, is that going to happen? Will it be more interesting if it happens? So yes. Is Trump going to win the first election cycle? Well, I guess it'd be more interesting if it did. So yes. You know, like, is, is Biden going to randomly drop out and instead of hosting a primary, they're just going to dictatorially choose?Well, then that, that would mean that Trump's going to win. It would mean that Trump's going to win, which is what I believe.There was a very [00:03:00] long off topic section here where Simone and I debated, who is going to win the presidential election.That I have moved to the end of the video, . But anyway, so, sorry, that, that's, that's too much of an aside. Let's get back to the weird. So basically we are in clown world timeline, which means that the quantum direction of tiny fluctuations that tip the scales of reality will move in clown world direction. Not in Clown World direction, it will, it will, we right now, for anyone who saw that episode of South Park, where it turns out we're a show and we have to keep from getting cancelled we're in that timeline.Ahhhh.Speaker: We're a production company. We make intergalactic television programs that the whole universe watches. Television?We Started with great shows like Who Wants to Marry a Galgamek and Antares 6 Millionaire. But then of course there's our signature show. Earth A few billion years ago, we realized, what if we took species from all different planets in the universe and put them together on the same planet. [00:04:00] Great tv, right? Asians, Jews, and Hispanics, all trying to live side by side on one planet. It's great. We put them all together on Earth, and the whole universe tunes in to watch the fun!Speaker 3: Please don't cancel us. Oh, I'm sorry, Earthlings, but you have to realize the universe is a business. a shOw should never go past 100 episodes, or else it starts to get stale with ridiculously stupid plotlines and settings.But, sirs, we think our show is just getting good. I mean, we're just now starting to see people get really pissed off at each other.We are a live action show and they are wanting to, and Show me what you got!Speaker 5: Show me what you got! Show me what you got! I want to see what you got! Hmm I like what you got. Good job!Goodbye!This is a different show, obviously, but yeah. Yeah, different show, but one of the big, big, big things, that happened recently and was shocking to me as a [00:05:00] totally online person is Nick Avocado, Nick Avocado, Avocado, Nick Avocado, Avocado did something that was completely wild and unexpected.And I think it highlights the new social contract that we socially operate under as a society online. So what happened was is, for those who haven't heard of this yet, and we'll get into, like, bigger thoughts on this Nikocado was a very widely viewed mukbanger who basically made mukbang famous within the United States.Mukbang is when you eat a lot of food in front of a camera and people parasocially eat along with you. And when I say widely viewed, I mean across his platforms, he had over a billion views. Gosh. So, across his various channels and everything like that. He is highly widely viewed. That puts him above, like, mainstream TV shows from our childhood.If you're wondering, like, what that means in terms of views. Yeah. [00:06:00] So, very mainstream figure. And what he was mainstream for was being. fat having no shame. He didn't start out as fat. He, he, audience captured his way to obesity. Yeah, not exactly. We'll talk about that in just a second. Okay. Okay. Okay.No spoilers. Okay. Or just being this really sad human being. And he was essentially one of the things that we. Have talked about is that the online environment has become a disintermediated set of social interactions in which I have a conversation with you, the audience, but I'm basically having a conversation at you through Through my wife, right?And then you are choosing to listen to this conversation very much the same way that somebody historically would have had a conversation with an interesting person. They would be like, oh, I know I can go to this event because interesting people go to this and they would have approached somebody because the conversations they have with those [00:07:00] people are interesting.Intellectually stimulating, but now you in an online environment, while you lose the interactive portion of the conversation, what you gain is the ability to what's the word I'm looking for here is the ability to, instead of being limited by the types of people you could actually get to spend time conversing with you, you can get anyone to converse with you. So I'll explain this using a porn analogy, right? In the real world, you are limited to sexual partners, like you would have a conversation partner, who would actually deign to have sex with you.But in the online environment, where that is disintermediated, while you might not get to actually have sex with these people, you can see The highest tier of highest tier people having sex who you could never secure yourself. And it created a disintermediated sexual marketplace. However, I think from a conversational perspective [00:08:00] it's actually more effective than from a sexual perspective.Because I think that the quality of sex as somebody who has had sex with top Um, the, the uh, uh, difference in sexual quality between like a, I'd say top 30 percent person and a top 1 percent person is you know, probably about a 30 percent bump in quality. I, I give it that maybe even, maybe even twice as good.Even on the extreme three times as good. Okay. But the difference in conversational quality between a top 30 percent and a top 1 percent is A hundred X difference. Oh, oh, okay. So you're saying the, the returns on sex improvement are not nearly as good as the returns on conversational improvement, which all furthermore justifies parasocial relationships.Like it's really worth [00:09:00] it to just maintain a high caliber friend group in the form of parasocial relationships, even though it means they don't know you necessarily. Well, it's interesting. Even when I am really friends with someone. I consume, often as my primary way of interacting with them, their online content, over their in person content.I prefer to interact with my real friends, who would like, know me and be like, Oh yeah, Malcolm, he's like an acquaintance of mine. Like, I don't agree with everything he says, I think he's a weirdo, but like, I like hanging out occasionally. So. So, you know, like, for example, who are people who we have these sorts of relationships with, like, Zvi, and like, Scott Alexander, like, I would prefer to read one of Scott Alexander's blog posts than take that time talking to Scott Alexander.And I'm sure it's one of these individuals and they're consuming. I'm sure like a lot of these people, I [00:10:00] imagine enjoy writing more than they enjoy talking to their friends. It's true. So content that you're getting with us, right? You're getting something that's been pre researched that every that every pause that every time we stop to research something is cut out of the video, right?Getting a form of social interaction that is called a super normal stimuli. We've talked about this before, but it's worth briefly going over. These are stimuli in your environment that are beyond what you could ever achieve in a real world scenario. So for example, if I put a giant blue ball next to a bird that evolved to sit on blue eggs, it will sit on the blue ball more than the egg because it never had any evolutionary reason to not learn to sit on the very biggest blue thing near it.In many ways, pornography can be considered a supernormal stimuli. In many ways what you are getting with this could be considered a supernormal conversational stimuli. But not all supernormal stimuli are intrinsically negative. And I think that this is a thing where people can think of, oh, you've disintermediated conversations.Yeah, but a lot of the conversations people used to have sucked. Okay. Well, and [00:11:00] why did humans evolve speech? It was in many ways often to condense and, and make more efficient communicating important concepts that otherwise would take a lot longer to demonstrate in person. This is all about making it faster than showing something IRL.I don't know what to say. When I when I am, for example, the reason why I was like, yeah, yeah, if I'm consuming these conver writings or like, Scott's writings. If I'm talking to one of these individuals, it's just like whatever they can think and remember off the cuff in their head, right? If I'm continuing their writing, this is something that they researched, they went over multiple times, they tried to include as much information as possible.You know, I'm not Then they're really fun to talk with. I'll, I'll say the one person or the one time when I feel like it's just as fun to interact with someone is to read their stuff. Yeah, Ayla. No, I'd say Ayla is more fun to talk to in person than it is to read her content. No, I love her content, but the thing that Ayla does [00:12:00] is she'll surprise you with her response to things and see things in very novel ways.So like, in real time, she'll have great insights that you can't get. She also builds a very, very quick and strong social connection when you're talking to her. Like she's very good at generating chemistry, and I don't other people I know who are like good online content creators aren't good at doing that.If anything, they sort of have an anti chemistry often. Yeah, no, I mean, she's very Charismatic, but that I don't care about that. Like, charisma makes me uncomfortable. I don't mean charismatic. There's a difference between a person being charismatic and having presence and generating chemistry where you feel like they're your friend.Like you feel a personal connection with them, which is very different from just general charisma. I can talk to somebody who has charisma. And be like, Oh, well, he was charismatic. For example, when I talk about forms of charisma, I have a form of charisma called presence that people talk about.Yes. Where they otherwise [00:13:00] will accuse you of sucking all the air out of the room, but that's because they're just angry. I kind of person like actually start screaming in an office. Yeah, I had barely interacted with them at all. This was when I was working as an intern at UT Southwestern in the translational neuroscience lab.And this and I was a college intern and this other person was like a postdoc. And they started yelling that everyone was always focused on me. And like, every time I was in a room, like, it was always like the Malcolm show. And they're like, and you're, you're just a. Intern. But I've been interning there for like a number of years at that point.And they had just transferred in. So like, I don't know what they were thinking. You're just saying she didn't understand that you were just a big Dell, but there was that other time where we were at a conference and one of the people pulled you aside and was like, you need to stop being, she said that you sucked all the air out of the room.She was basically saying you needed to stop providing such interesting insights to conversations. And yeah, she's like, well, like, just don't show up when I'm around. [00:14:00] Yeah. Yeah, it's just like, stop being interested. Anyway. No, no, no, it's not interesting, exactly. It's a, stop being, yeah. Stop having a present.Stop speaking as loud as you do. Stop with the, hi, how's it going? Stop with, it's not that it's, it's a, it's a, it's about where attention is focused within group environments. But anyway, it doesn't necessarily overlap with other types of charisma. Like there's charisma that makes people like you.There's charisma that what I was saying about Ayla, she has the type of charisma where when you talk to her, you feel like you've been friends forever in a very short period of time. Terrified when I talked to Ayla, cause I just really respect her a lot. And I feel like when people, when I respect people, I think they hate me.But what we need to talk about here is the role that Nick Avocado ended up playing in this disintermediated social contract. He had become, for a lot of the internet, that fat, pathetic kid. Yeah. You engage with him for the [00:15:00] emotional context you get for picking on the fat, pathetic kid in school. He filled that niche.Speaker 7: It's the cauliflower! Ah!Stupid noodles!There's your video.Speaker 9: There's your video.Speaker 8: Mmmmmmm! Mmmm! Haha.And for those who think that this was ever his real personality. No, I'm not saying that he [00:16:00] didn't. Take on this, some aspect of this personality. Playing the role for so long, I ask you to study his facial expressions and emotions while he is acting. And I think it's pretty clear that he is playing a character in the same way that like Allie G at the character, it's just that this character, instead of being designed to make us laugh. Is designed to masturbate. The feeling that we get from the type of, you know, fat kid, we would have made fun of in school, but presenting an, , super normal stimuli version of that fat kid. Nick avocado was to the emotions that fat kid in school that people picked on. And I'm not saying everybody did this, but like, obviously there's a portion of the population that has an impulse to pick on the fat kid at school. He fulfills that impulse for that portion of the population as a supernormal stimuli in the same way that the super hot. Porn star [00:17:00] fulfills that stimulus. , when contrasted with the cheerleader, whatever, the attractive girl that you had a crush on at your local school.The porn star is likely even more attractive than the real life person that you had a crush on because everyone can consume her. The sexually speaking at once in the same way everyone can at once pick on this Nick avocado character. And again, remember when you're watching this clip study, is this somebody acting or is this his real emotional state?Speaker 6: Me and Matt Stonie have a lot in common. We're very beautiful, but the difference between, well,Speaker 9: he's basically Skinnier, more attractive, richer, more popular I mean, where do you want to start? The only thing you have in common with him is maybe that you're human. And I highly doubt that you're human because I think you identify as a hippo.Get away!Speaker 6: Get away! Get away!Speaker 7: I pooped myself! I woke up in a pile of poop!He [00:18:00] filledthat niche and he had been saying for years that this was all part of a social experiment and that when he turned 30, he was gonna lose all the weight and then just go back to a normal life, right? But the character he was playing was a character that was supposed to be genuinely pathetic, the type of character that would have these delusions and I'm giving it away here a bit, which is to say that.When he turned 30, he's 32 now, so a few years late. Oh, I forgot. Okay, so what he did recently is he reviewed, removed a mask from his head. He had this panda mask in a, in a video and he was skinny. Not like, like skinny, like, oh. He lost a hundred pounds. More like he lost 300 pounds. 250 pounds. Yeah. Okay.So I am the villain, because I've made myself one.And, and.Just a few days ago, people had been doing videos about how he might be close to suicide [00:19:00] now, how, like, sorry, well, he hadn't posted for how he might be close to unaliving himself. Now. I'm sorry. You were saying he had not posted for 7 months. So I think people thought he'd just gone off. No, he posted a video.I think. I, well, I just looked at his YouTube which this video where he takes off the panda mask is still it's, it went out on September 6th for recording on September 9th, it's still number three on trending on YouTube with 31 million views, almost 32 million. And the, the previous video that was posted before this under latest was seven months ago.Okay. Well, so what he had done is he had the thing is, is that another very large YouTube was like millions of views on this video a few days before he posted this video, did a video about how Nick Avocado was like having a breakdown and like nothing was going to come of him and,Speaker 10: And everyone wonders why I'm posting less. I'm not happy. I don't like what I've done. I don't like what I've become. I don't like what I look like. [00:20:00] Nicocado's recent video is so incredibly tragic, it makes all of his previous breakdowns seem like they were happy moments. Simply titled, BYE, Nicocado talks about deeply regretting his time on YouTube, in the process admitting to financial ruin, and the ways in which fame destroyed his life completely.Speaker 11: The 41 minute video begins on terrible footing, as after only 24 seconds, Nick's already almost on the verge of tears.and he had pre recorded, it turned out, for two years, just tons and tons and tons of videos.Oh, so he did start when he was 30. So he started when he was 30 and then for two years was pre recorded videos. He kept all his his channels He's got like three channels runningAnd he lost the weight and it it's not like he's covered in like flabby skin and everything like that Like it appears he probably I don't see scars from surgery So my read is he might have been using lotions and like, you know, he's wealthy [00:21:00] because he's getting this many views Oh, yeah, you have to have the skin removed no, no, no, no.I don't think he did that. I think he, he found, well, maybe he did. I don't know. The point being is that Nick Acato, Avocado, people should have known this about him. And I think that this is one of the things that people don't realize when they're interacting with people in online environments, right? This guy went to Juilliard.Juilliard is like, you know, the Stanford of the art world. Yeah, the Harvard of art. Well, no, the Harvard, sorry, the Harvard of performing arts. Nothing anymore. Okay. Sorry. The Stanford, the St. Andrews of performing arts. Just like RISD is the Stanford slash St. Andrews. But anyway, hold on, hold on, hold on. For the reason I say that I'll, I'll get to the reason I say that in a minute.He, he was a concert level violinist. No way. Yeah, there's been like violinist experts who have reviewed his violin playing and they're like, this [00:22:00] guy is literally A tier, like as high tier as you can get, like equivalent to the best violinist in the world.Speaker 13: I was very good. I got a full ride scholarship to my school. Could you, could you show us? The Juilliard School. Have you known about it? I went to the Juilliard for two years. I don't know what that is. With Juilliard being the world's most prestigious music school, a user on Reddit found Nick's full list of violin achievements, of which there were certainly many, and it therefore makes sense that he was good enough to teach.A YouTuber named Violin Mechanic also watched all of Nick's violin videos, concluding he was near professional. Right from the bat, I can tell that this guy plays fantastically in tune.Quick side note here, but I want you to watch this clip while knowing what Juilliard really is a school that is incredibly hard to get into. This is somebody who got a full ride scholarship into this school. And tell me that this is not an [00:23:00] act.Speaker 13: I was very good. I got a full ride scholarship to my school. Could you, could you show us? The Juilliard School. Have you known about it? I went to the Juilliard for two years.It goes to show though, there's, what are the career prospects?You know, how much is he going to make as a concert violinist? Well, and that's the point to all of this. This was an incredibly talented actor, a diligent individual who, Understood the new social contract of the internet and used it to make enough money that he never needed to do anything again by playing the fat kid.By playing the kid who everyone picked on. What an act designed for this modern audience. This modern disintermediate. How is it? It's better than the alternative. Mean, consider who the internet focused picking on before you had characters who were intentional acts of otherwise, you know, competent sound people to make [00:24:00] money. It was people like. Christian. Right where the entire internet is reading him as sort of a super normal stimuli. I mean, you're not going to get somebody as pick on a bull as Christian. And it just destroys this actually mentally disabled person's life. And completely warps their character into something, you know, evil and bizarre.Although I would say, I do really want to see, like, in the next couple of weeks, Chris Chan come out, talking normal, looking totally normal, lost all the way. It was like, oh yeah, it was all an act all these years, all an act that would, that would break me.I mean, he described it as waking up from a dream. Right? And living these last eight years as a horrible dream. And that's what it was for him to an extent.But again, what's the alternative? Be a concert violinist. His life would suck. God, like professional? No, professional violinists do not have good lives. You get maybe two in the [00:25:00] world that make it to a tier where they have any level of financial comfort. OK, so. Yeah, I guess when we're talking purely finances, you know me, I'm, I'm a little body dysmorphic.Like I would kind of rather be scraping by than not been overweight. You and I have, and I do have this and I will admit this. We have problems. I cannot easily empathize as what it would feel like to be racist because I genuinely do not have any sort of instinctual reaction when I look at people of different ethno groups, but I do have an instinctive negative reaction when I look at people who are overweight.And we correct for this and we have lots of people that we respect and love who are inclined to retentities, but we have problems, like instinctual problems. Like we can't help it. Instinctually very yeah, it causes me to see these people [00:26:00] differently and I'm not, it's, it's not a good thing that it does, but it does.And I think that this is like the true racism that people talk about sometimes. Well, no, and then fat activists talk about this all the time. They're subject to it. It's a really big problem. Like they, it's really like doctors treat them differently, service, everyone treats like, well, not everyone, but a lot of people treat them differently because I think that instinctual reaction is there.Yeah. And. This is the reason I was, I was making the Stanford joke earlier is because a lot of people forget this, right? Like the people you interact with online that may be fulfilling impart some persona, which is definitely something that Simone and I do to an extent is we have trolls on our videos and stuff like that.Right. Who are like, these people are just crazy. Like, you know, can't you see that they're just insane, like, fringe weirdos and stuff like that? Because on our school, like, launch video, the little short commercial for it, one of the comments, actually the one with the most upvotes, must have a ton of downvotes [00:27:00] because at the bottom of all the video, the comments too, but it's also the one with the most upvotes, is like, this is proof that these people are insane and, and weirdos and blah, blah, blah, and completely delusional, but I don't see how you got that from the school.Yeah, that should have gone on, like, your defense of child corporal punishment. Yeah, like, we're like, realistically Our background? Like, I, I'm, I, I am a Stanford MBA, and for people who don't know what that is, that's literally the hardest degree to get in the world that I'm aware of. I know this is somebody who is going to get a PhD, and a Stanford MBA is generally considered dramatically harder to get into, specifically Stanford and Harvard MBAs, but Stanford more so, because Stanford's dramatically harder to get into than the Harvard MBA program.So it's like, top tier in terms of the degrees that grant you never have to work again at a day job types of access. If, if you want it, right. I undergrad St. Andrew's [00:28:00] neuroscience degree for people who don't know at least last I checked, like by the guardian ranking, , St. Andrew's beats Oxford and Cambridge in the UK for university rankings. And I have a degree there in neuroscience. I have a degree there in biology. I have a degree there in psychology.I have exhibits on display in human evolution stuff at the Smithsonian. Simone has a graduate degree in technology policy from Cambridge. Like in terms of, we we've gone through 500 startups, which is one of the harder to get into startup accelerators in terms of the like. Objective real world success things.This idea that somebody, if you are looking at someone who has like, hit it out of the park with like every major real world success indicator, and you're like, why do they appear so weird online? Why do they have this persona online that I don't understand? Right? Chances are they are doing something that is simply above your pay grade.Like Nick [00:29:00] Avocado. Nick Avocado was doing. And I think this is also true with people like Musk, when people are like, oh, Musk is just an idiot in everything he's doing. He's completely unhinged. Musk is not unhinged. He's just a, he's a super genius who likes puns and dad jokes. Is it that hard?Like, well, it's not just that for being the wealthiest man in the world, people are going to have a negative association with you. They are going to, no matter what you do negatively. It is very hard to cut through that and achieve any degree of positive public image. And you're like, well, what if you just like gave the money to charity?It's like, yeah, Mark Zuckerberg frigging tried that. Yeah. How did that go for him? That, you know, in terms of. Positive public image of the ultra wealthy Elon Musk is f*****g like winning. I know. I know Facebook has a marketing department. Musk's companies just have Elon. Yeah. I love it when people pretend like [00:30:00] he doesn't know what he's doing.And this is one of Actually, an interesting thing with me and social environments is I have, like, really developed mirror neurons. We talked about this in another episode, which means I, like, can't help but feel pain when other people feel pain. You're like hyper developed mirror neurons. In other words, you're very, very sensitive.Yes, so like if I see somebody else's knee hurt, my knee will start hurting, but it causes other problems. One of the problems people note in the Piers Morgan interview of me where you and I are talking, and when you're speaking, people get through my mouth saying the same words. That is how He's some kind of puppet master.Is he controlling her remotely? What's really happening is as I'm thinking of her saying something, because the mirror neuron on my pathway is so hypersensitized, I can't help but move the muscles that would be involved with me saying the thing that I am thinking about her saying. It looks so bad. It looks so But I feel like really nervous.That's just the way I act. But it also means I'm very, very, very good at reading [00:31:00] people. As you've seen, like you've seen me be around people. This isn't like a boast. I'm just genuinely, it's one of my strong talents. And I have fear deficiency. Like people think, you know, when we gauge intelligence as all being like one thing I am probably, I would argue in the bottom 2 percent to 5 percent of the population in ability to learn languages or music.True story. What can you, what can you say in Spanish? Aside from hello. Can you say one sentence? I know like no hablo espanol. That's not really a sentence. I do not know. I mean, technically it is. I don't know anything. I can maybe think of a few words. And how many years of Spanish did you take? How insane it is that I can't do that.You had Spanish speaking mamies as a kid. I had Spanish speaking mamies. My family sent me out to live with a Spanish family in Mexico for a month. I did multiple summer jobs for months in Spanish speaking countries. Costa Rica. Well, Brazil, not Spanish speaking, but okay, [00:32:00] whatever. Costa Rica, I lived for a month, and I lived in Mexico for a month.I I I didn't graduate Spanish 1, which I took every year in elementary school until college, until I was going from my junior to my senior year of high school. I failed Spanish 1. One class, like 20 times in a row. To say I am bad at languages is the biggest understatement of the century. I am very, very bad at coding languages too, for example.I've tried to learn them multiple times, I just haven't been able to. And this is something that's important to know. When you're dealing with programming languages. People who are high end was in certain types of intelligences. There's a really high degree of variability, and this is actually not uncommon for an individual.So they're like a retard in some places and they're a genius in others. Yes, and so I'm just saying one of the areas I happen to be uniquely gifted is in reading people and people are like, [00:33:00] but then why are you so dislikeable so much of the time, right? Oh, like, well, yeah, because a lot of people are like, Oh man, he just doesn't know how to read people.He's so tone deaf. The thing is, it's not that he can't read them. It's that he doesn't care. He doesn't care what they think. I don't care. It's that they assume that the optimal pathway through every. Interactive conversational environment is one designed to get the person to like you or to cause maximum positive emotional states in the individual that you are engaging with, when that is just objectively not true.In truce, if I am trying to achieve specific outcomes from conversations, I'd say half of the time about, it's not the optimal pathway to focus on getting them to like me. And this is from a disintermediated social perspective what Nick Akado Avocado realized. Yeah, yeah. He did not try to be liked. He did not try to be respected.He did not try to [00:34:00] look good. He did not try to look dignified. I mean, all of it. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, when you are playing sort of 4D chess in terms of outcomes, it's not about always trying to get people enamored with you, right? It's about achieving the particular outcome that you are interested in. And so I think that, He shows that within this online environment, but also we show that.That's something we show, if you want to see our video on media baiting and stuff like that. Trying to appear as generic, broadly likable people within an online environment is a very bad idea. Yeah. People will hate you. The Hillary Clinton effect. It does not work. You have to be generic. Well, spiky in some way, right?And that's what people see of as weird. And in the same way that when you are a mime, right? Like a mime, because you're dealing [00:35:00] with less communication venues will over exaggerate every one of their emotions and every one of their actions. It's the same as an online personality over exaggerate to really reach your target audience.But. More so than that when we talk about this transition to this new social model, some people have gotten it and some people haven't gotten it. When we first moved from theater to movies, if you go back and you look at movies from like the 70s or 60s, you will see many elements of them that look more like a stage play than what you would think of as modern cinema.Well, and you actually see this, like, from The early, earliest forms of cinema, everything went from like minstrel show style to like Broadway stage play style. And it was really driven by the stage. And now like increasingly things are becoming based on optimization native to that media. Exactly. Well, when things move to [00:36:00] the online environment, the same thing happened.A lot of people tried to recreate specific genres that they were aware of from the old TV days, right? And so two really carried over. One was the more cinematic style skit comedy and stuff like this. Remember like college humor and stuff like that. And you just don't see stuff like that anymore.Yeah. Like Saturday night live style skit. Yeah. And then the other was like trying to create jackass, but was in an online environment. A lot of the early stuff was, it was like random pranks and like acting a fool and stuff like that. And gradually it became clear to people that what it was really about was this disintermediated social relationship.And I think a great example of this recently was a famous gun YouTuber recently became number two and trending was just a video that said, I died. And he had died and he had pre recorded a video for when he died. He was old, he knew he was gonna die, he had cancer, pancreatic [00:37:00] cancer. And You know, that is the relationship that people have with this audience.Now, this audience may not be friends in whatever friends meant in the traditional use of the word. I mean, if you're playing yourself and that's important, right? Or at least a facsimile of yourself. Everyone's playing an act even when they're meeting with friends. Let's be clear, you know, you're always in people who are like, no, I'm not that.I'm like, you're probably exceptionally boring. If you have no like intentional aspect to your or they're just so lost in trying to meet their this identity. They have for themselves that they forgotten their method acting if you know what I mean. Like, their objective function is to satisfy that particular character sheet they built for themselves.And I think with Nikocado Avocado, if you watch his recent video, he like, tries to play this villain character or something like that. And he's doing this, it's obvious to me, it's very, a form of emotional defense for him. To try to like, regain control of who he is and his identity. Because, [00:38:00] When he was playing that character, I, I genuinely believe there were moments where he was wondering, am I really this person now?Like, is this who I am? And the belief that I'm not this person is the lie. Scary. Yeah. You know, because he, you know, he's a smart guy. He probably thought those things. So many people were like that. So many people you know, delusional people probably think you know, I can start tomorrow. Yeah, I'm gonna start tomorrow.I'm gonna, you know, and you can look at somebody like us and people can be like, well, I mean, does that mean that you are a character in the way that you're portraying yourself? And it's like, well, sort of. I mean, I've chosen a character to be my identity and I live as that character because I think it's optimized for achieving my particular goals in the world.But I don't differentiate myself terribly from that character, which we've talked about in other videos, I think, is why we have a good relationship with our fans, where I've noticed that some famous people have a very [00:39:00] negative relationship with their fans. And these are famous people we know privately, you know, who we've had conversations with.And these are individuals where their fans perceive them as a character that is highly individualistic. with who they see themselves as and who they are in private. Whereas for us, while we are presenting a character, it's also the character that you will meet if you go to a dinner party with us or something like that, you know?And I would say, is it, is it that dis distant from who I am when I'm just alone with you, Simone? I mean, it is to an extent, I guess. No, no, not really. It's this, these are the conversations we have. I am not putting on an act because. I don't, I don't have the mental bandwidth to do that right now. And I don't know, you just, you should be you.I've never seen you act like anyone but you, and I don't, I mean, you certainly have. Things that you say in public that you don't say in private, but you know, Yeah, well, I love when everyone is like [00:40:00] who didn't actually follow us before is like, oh He disciplined his child like he hit his kid like mask off moment.We had a video early in our channel This was the jordan peterson is raising kids to be sims video if people want to see it where not only did we talk about bopping, but we talked about how it works why we do it, etc Long before that big Ooh, expose happened, newspapers just watched our episode.We'd be in big trouble. But you'd, you'd think that, but like I'm running for office and I was told that before becoming a politician in the United States, you know, clear everything on social media, they'll dig through all your dirt and find everything. And you'll find them throwing every little stupid detail and thing you've said at you and other people.Who run for small offices in our district, in our county have just said really inconsequential things to other people on social media and ended their campaigns based on criticism around that. And yet nothing has [00:41:00] come out with this campaign. And what's more interesting is we have been attacked for things, but they're not real.The attacks we get are fictional. Like what I am, I am like di I abuse you. I am disrespectful to you. I one of us must, we get a text, we have the same space, that Twitter account. Oh, that one of us must have cheated on the other. Yeah. Again, if they just watched our videos, they would understand our internal policies around who gets to sleep around.Like, I just. Yeah,Rather than have people dig through our backlog to find out what she is alluding to here. The point she is making is that one of us cheating on the other would be a virtually impossible thing to have happen because, Well, Simone just wouldn't cheat on me at all. It's not something that she had the desire for.She's basically completely asexual other than me. , I. She [00:42:00] never really experienced arousal before interacting with me. I mean, you've got to keep in mind just how negatively she reacts to any physical contact with anyone other than me or the kids, where if she has interacted with somebody, it's like scrubbing her hands. For like, You know, five minutes afterwards. , you know, really vigorously before she can go on with her day, she finds human contact really repugnant. , keep in mind that even whiz me where she does have exceptions, she still wants to have our podcast recorded in different rooms.It's still too much of a distraction for her. And then from my perspective, I'm allowed to sleep with other people if I want to, I just choose not to, but if I did it, wouldn't be cheating on her because it's something I'm allowed to do.It's not part of our understanding and our relationship that I wouldn't be sleeping with. Other people. So.The cheating is an impossibility given the way, given our characters and the way our relationship is structured. Also for those who might be like, well, Eve your wife [00:43:00] lets you sleep with other people, then why don't you? It's like, well, a number of reasons, one. You too. When I say you, I mean, I just, the idea for whatever reason, kind of grosses me out, you know, I have a wife who's really dedicated to me. , there are few people .Who I would rather choose to take time. Two. Seduce or sleep with other than her. But in addition to that,It's a huge amount of emotional and mental effort. , And in addition to that,Like what's the benefit to us or our mission. If I was to do that. If I thought that there was some marginal benefit to our family by sleeping with someone fine, you know, that's something that I might consider. , but if not, then why would I do that? Why would I take the time to do that for hedonistic reasons? Because it feels good. I mean, think about the effort that you are putting in to get somebody else to sleep with you in a safe context. And contrast [00:44:00] that with the momentary pleasure you get from the actual sexual act, just the equation makes no sense there they, they make stuff up. The controversies that are public about us are fictional. But like, when people who watched us or knew us were like, Oh, would he discipline his kid or discipline his kid in front of a reporter? They're like, yeah, that's exactly the type of thing Malcolm would do.What did one of your family members say about running for office? Like all the bad things they say about you won't be real. Yeah. So my uncle used to be head of the fed in Texas and he ran for Senate in Texas. My granddad was a congressman in Texas and ran for Senate as well. So I've got like a lot of politicians in the family, but anyway, this came from my uncle and not my grandfather.So my uncle said the weird thing about running for politics. Is you will be attacked for so many things and none of it will be true. Like but he's like it's not just that the reasons people like you that also won't be true They will like and hate a fictional representation [00:45:00] of yourself and when you Fall into the cliches of thinking these cliche things about donald trump or thinking these cliche things about elon musk And don't remember that this is like elon musk is just an autistic dad Okay.Like you can see him however you want, but at the end of the day, Elon Musk is just an autistic dad. And when you remember that a lot of this false framing can begin to dissolve. Trump is an insecure guy who always wanted to fit in with the rich kids and never really got to, and now he's having his moment in the sun.And on all of his behavior makes sense within that frame. Context, but he's also stuck in an echo chamber of yes men, which is not great. Not anymore. Not as much. And he's got, yeah, he's, he is more, yeah. He has a lot of surrounding competent people, but he, at least in the first administration was surrounded by a bunch of yes men who made things difficult.But what I'm saying, yeah, first administration, but that hasn't been true for like 10 years. Yeah. Now he's got some great people. I'm super [00:46:00] excited about it, but you know, we'll see. But what we have to talk about here, very interesting is just remember like the point of this, the point of all of this from, from the perspective of the audience is remember that in this age of disintermediated parasocial relationships one in a, in a big part, and I would.Commit this to other creators, the relationships you have with your audience, the fact that it's parasocial doesn't mean it's not real. Okay. You have chosen to play a social role within their lives. And it's important that you own the role that you have chosen to play. Right. And you don't have animosity at them for viewing you the way you have sold yourself to them.But in addition to that. There are going to be people who find ways to exploit the worst of human instincts. And not all these people will be bad. Some of them will just be smart entertainers who are like and I [00:47:00] respect Nikocado Avocado endlessly for doing this. I, I have, like, I'd love to have him on the channel.Not that we'd ever get somebody that famous on the channel, but we'll see. I mean, is Ayla not fulfilling one of these roles, right? Of the ultra educated, you know, educationally controversial, um, what's a nice way to say it? Woman who sleeps with men as a profession. This is something that we've seen historically over and over again.It's like a trope our culture has, whether it's what are the two ones that you always mention? I can't remember their names. Asphasia. Asphasia. And Madame de Pompadour. Yeah. Among the famous ones, yeah, among the famous ones. But it's a common role that we have sort of in the background of our minds, especially people who are educated in history.And let's be honest, her audience is like a fairly educated audience. And they like that she plays that parasocial role for them, you know, she's their aphasia, right? And then there's idiots who have no education and are just like, she's a, a prostitute and prostitutes are [00:48:00] always low class. And I'm like, that is.Objectively not true from a historic context. In fact, historically speaking, until the modern age, I want to say maybe until the last 200 years, generally, the most respected women in most societies in history were women who you paid for sex. This is why people like asphasia were able to achieve the rank that they had as to why that's the case.It's because those were the only women who Now keep in mind that women of the knight fell into two classes here. You'd have the ones for the lower classes and you'd have the ones for the upper classes. They were the women who the upper class men were having intellectual conversations with. Yeah.They weren't stuck in the back of a household. Yes. And so that's how they achieved the highest ranks in many of these historic societies for women, not for men. Anyway, anyway, I love you to death, Simone. You are amazing. I am so happy to be married to you. You are just a wonderful mother. I am so glad you have allowed me, you know, we recently passed the over a hundred people are watching us at any given moment, day or night at this point.I can't believe it's just wild [00:49:00] to think about. If we were a mega church, we would be getting what was it recently where I ran the numbers we'd be getting.Yeah. So we're now at for watch hours in a 28 day period, 67. 9, 000. And what that means is thaton any given day we have, if we were giving an hour lecture or an hour of sermon so suppose we were like a preacher who ran a mega church and gave an hour sermon every day, we'd have 2, 425 people show up to that sermon. That's insane. It means that at any given time, day or night, we have 101 people watching us.It means that if I woke up every day and for 16 hours I was preaching on a side corner, this includes weekends, we would have an average of 151. 6 people in that crowd. That is just wild to me to think about. And this is just YouTube, not our other channels. Anyway. But that's, that's what I talk about with [00:50:00] like a parasocial disintermediated connected network that we have been able to achieve this.I've only achieved it. Thanks to you, Simone. I could never do this without you. And you know that a hundred percent, you are the key to everything for me. I'd never do anything interesting without you. I love you so much. Love you too. Bye. All right. But yeah, I don't. By the way, guys, everyone, Malcolm has placed his bet on Kamala. People know the logic behind my bet. I don't know a single Sorry, Malcolm has placed his bet on Trump.I placed my bet on Kamala. Yeah. I don't know a single person who moved between the last election cycle and this election cycle from a Democrat voter to a Republican voter, but I know lots of people who have moved from sorry, I don't know a single person who has moved from a Republican voter to a Democrat voter.And I do because I went door knocking. Yes, we'll talk about your [00:51:00] counter argument, but I do know lots of people who have moved from Republican to Democrat. Simone's core counter argument. No, no, no, Malcolm, Malcolm, you said this the wrong way. You know a lot of people who were Democrats and are now voting Republicans.Okay. I know a lot of people who were Democrats and are now voting Republican between these last two cycles specifically, it's like this giant new audience. But I mean, consider like Elon, for example, right? Like mainstream figures have moved pretty dramatically, but Simone when you're knocking and she's like, you wouldn't believe how many people are going to be voting just because of the abortion law change.Well, that's It's a, it's a big thing. Like, even if you're a family that's otherwise conservative, but wants the optionality of doing IVF, because maybe one of you has fertility problems, but you still care about having kids that are biologically yours, you're, you may feel motivated, like it's the responsible thing to do to vote Democrat, just to make sure that your [00:52:00] right to IVF.Is protected, right? If you're a conservative male who sleeps around a lot, I guess there aren't any of them. Actual candidate policies. You would know how ludicrous that is. Yeah, but, but again, when I listen to, to certain media slants, like certain algo dives, cause I'm trying to see what like normal other people who aren't necessarily conservative coded are listening to, they, they just, they, they make it sound like an inevitable thing, but it's not.That your right to abortion and birth control and everything will be taken away if Trump wins. They're just like project 2025, which Trump hates. I know, which he hates. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's very annoying. And honestly, I think that they'd be better to lean on Trump derangement syndrome and just keep pointing to his face because it seems to drive people nuts instead of talking about a project with which he has zero affiliation, but whatever. Regard to the episode on [00:53:00] where is the woke audience? Yep. Someone on Twitter sent to us a YouGov America poll saying Americans overestimate the size of minority groups and underestimate the size of most majority groups. And it shows a series of gaps between the true proportion and estimated proportion.For example have 1 million. True proportion, 0%. I mean, cause I'm sure it's like 0. 00 whatever. Estimated proportion, 20%. WhatOur transgender. What? Okay. Our transgender true proportion. 1% estimated proportion, 21%. Who is filling out these polls? ? No, and I'm wondering for the people, because it might be a lot of people who are like, oh, it's probably like five or 3% or something. Yes. There's other people being like 50%. Yeah, but maybe they're like, they're, I mean, one, this is presumably like people on the internet with too [00:54:00] much time, so they're like terminally online.And maybe then, you know, you're kind of surrounded by like trans people and you think everyone's trans. Have a household income over 500, 000. True proportion, 1%. Estimated proportion, 26%. Are Muslim, true proportion, 1%. Estimated proportion, 27%.This is, this is 27%. This is how these girls get out there and they're like, Oh, I'm going to get a guy who's making six figures in life. You're like, yeah, I'm going to get a guy who's making like 300 K or something in his early twenties. And it's like, they have a completely misunderstanding of reality.It's, it's the, the understanding the average person has is just out of whack. Out of whack. You know, it's interesting though, is there are some where it's actually spot on and here are the ones where it's. Almost the same have at least one child people estimated 57%, sorry, real 57%. The [00:55:00] collective estimation was 58%.So very close voted in the 2020 election. Real 61%. Estimated 62%. So there's some that were actually like, they're not 100 percent delusional, but man, that, that millionaire gap, pretty crazy. And then basically there are huge gaps of about 30 percent for our Muslim, our native American, our Jewish live in New York city, 30 percent estimated that Americans live.What percent do they think are Jewish? They, they thought around 30% are Jewish, 30% of Americans are Jewish. I mean, so basically anyone who's a dick or who, who, who's like their manager is probably gotta be 1.5%, right? 2% in, in this live in New York City, 3%. Estimated 30% are gay or lesbian, 3% estimated 30%.Our atheist 3% estimated 33%. Yeah. [00:56:00] These, these are terminally all on people. Bisexual. Estimated 4% real 29%. I would, we would actually argue probably slightly over 50% because Wait, only wait, hold on. Listen a moment. Yeah. They think really only 4% of people are bisexual, whereas we would argue probably almost all women, no.So, but the real number of bisexuals in this poll was 29%. No, it was 4%. Oh, okay. Yeah. You said 29 percent or whatever. 29 percent is what they thought. Okay, okay, yeah, you got those numbers backwards. We would think that it was a little over 50%. Are vegan or vegetarian? 5%. No, of females, potentially. Yeah, females.No, I'm pretty sure, like, Males are basically never bisexual. Like, almost never. I know, but you, that's, I feel like that's the 4 percent though. That like, think they're bisexual. And, which really means that they're like, gay, but they can have low standards sometimes. Gay with low standards sometimes.Gay with just like, sometimes I'm just I don't know how low the standards are when it's different A penny f**k, [00:57:00] Malcolm. You know, they have a friend who's like, No one will sleep with me, I'm so alone. Simone, I have been to a DMV, okay? I know what, like, your average American looks like. And I'm like, how does this population breed?And, you know, the joke from, people were posting this on Seinfeld, the joke was, well, alcohol. But here I'm thinking, I'm like, you know, if you're willing to drop your standards, I'm willing to to sleep with like the average type of looking person you see at the DMV, you're probably willing to drop your standards to a different set of genitals than your preference.At that point, you're just like, is this thing warm and like adjacent to something living? I don't think you understand the desperation of many people. So that's not fair. Okay. Okay. Well, that's exactly, I think I do understand the desperation of some people. That's the point I'm making. Okay. This is a, this is a factor of standards.Well, here's, here's one that I would have missed. Misestimate. No, poorly estimated that a lot of other people did too. Most people like the, sorry, the collective [00:58:00] estimation for having a driver's license in the United States is 83%. What do you think? What would you guess? It is 60%. Yeah. 68%. I don't know.That's like a lot of people who aren't technically allowed to drive. It's because you haven't been around stupid people Simone. No, you, you, you, you work in a company that has, you work with like middle intelligence people, but like I, growing up for reasons I didn't, I don't want to get into because people would say, well, you're stereotyping certain groups here associated with more like actual stupid people during my life.And not having driver's license was actually pretty common in those communities. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well, we're going to get started with the episode. We're going to have a long and ample on this one. Sorry, but thank you too. Wait, who sent this to us? I sent you a link. Thank you too.Thank you to question assumptions for sending us this graph on Twitter. Really appreciate it. At QA underscore [00:59:00] NJ. Thanks. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe

Dive into the controversial proposal of a Government Efficiency Commission led by Elon Musk, as announced by Donald Trump for his potential 2024 presidency. This video explores the implications of this audacious plan, discussing its potential impact on American bureaucracy, education reform, and the future of U.S. politics.[00:00:00] Hello, Simone. I am excited to be here with you today because I told you something recently and you were like, that cannot be true. Yeah, just randomly going off about something. Both parties can't be involved. This can't really be happening. And I was like, no, I from what I've heard, it is happening and I have gotten more information, so we are going to talk about this.Let's do it. During a speech at the Economic Club of New York, September 5th, 2024, Trump announced his plans to establish a government efficiency commission tasked with conducting a complete financial performance audit of the entire federal government, making recommendations for drastic reforms to improve efficiency, eliminating fraud and improper payments within six months, which Trump claims would save .Trillions of dollars, and he's probably right. , oh, and all of this would be run by Elon Musk. And he was like, this must [00:01:00] be like a meme, this can't be. Yeah. So we're going to get more into this.Would you like to know more?Trump has said this on multiple occasions at this point, Elon Musk has confirmed this.Speaker: At the suggestion of Elon Musk, I will create a government efficiency commission tasked with conducting a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government and making recommendations for drastic reforms.We need to do it. Can't go on the way we are now.And Elon, has agreed to head that task force.Not only has he confirmed this, but he told Trump to set this up with him running it. That is, I want this to happen. That sounds awesome. A hundred thousand percent. A thousand percent. Like. This could genuinely save our country or at least save our collapse for 10 to 20 years and in the same way that Margaret Thatcher did for the [00:02:00] UK, like the UK is only now collapsing because Margaret Thatcher reset the clock about 20 years on the collapse of the United Kingdom.Genuinely one of the most important political figures in history, people who don't know how much she did for the United Kingdom. And of course she's hated by the left for it, because she, she shut down all of these, like, coal mines and stuff like that, that were just running on subsidies. And everyone was like, oh, but people lost their jobs, and it's like, yeah, but then the unemployment rate stabilized and people had real jobs that weren't reliant on a Fake state infrastructure going into dirty power source, like coal, right?I love it that lefties will complain about coal mines shutting down in the UK. I'm like, you guys are nutter butters, nutter butters. But anyway, but. If Elon and Trump can delay this for just 20 years in the U. S., given that only conservatives are having kids anymore, okay, things are shifting. We just need to outlast these crazy [00:03:00] commies until they all die old age.Then we can set a new social system in place, okay? But! If we can just keep America functioning because really it may not function for much longer there was a great video on this, called the two million dollar toilet is what the title card was I forgot the name of the video. I was like was economic inefficiency destroy america.It's from visual politic They did a great job explaining like just how bad things are in the u. s. The thing that we always note is the golden great bridge it cost about a third what it cost to originally build it just to put the suicide netting on it You It took like six times as long or something in cash adjusted dollars.You know, so, inefficiencies and government waste is at a level now in the U. S. which is higher than the E. U., and that is wild. Now, the E. U. still gives money to more stupid government programs, like Dustborn, that game we talked about that was just like, racist D. E. I. nonsense, was funded by E. U. taxpayers.Oh [00:04:00] no, really? Oh, ouch. Anyway, so I'm going to keep going here. Alice, do you have any thoughts before I go further? No, keep going. The Government Efficiency Commission would conduct a financial and performance audit of the federal government and would track down fraud and improper payments made from government programs.By the way, if you're wondering, like, oh, come on, this doesn't happen all the time. A place where this happened a ton was under Tim Walz's district. Kamala Harris's district.No! Really? What, what, so what kind of fraudulent? Oh, I don't remember off the top of my head. I just remember with millions and millions of millions of dollars that were very easy to catch, but he may have been using it to pay off for political purposes, individualsFor example, the nonprofit feeding our future. I diverted $250 million at federal funds meant to feed low income children during the COVID-19 pandemic. And basically just stole the money.Apparently with almost no oversight.As judged by the Minnesota office of legislative auditors.it would then provide recommendations for [00:05:00] quote unquote drastic reforms aimed at promoting efficiency explained was the goal of eliminating fraud and improper payments within six months of the commission being formed, quote, I will create a government efficiency commission test Conducting a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government in quote Must know of Tesla and SpaceX and owner of social media platform X Acknowledged his agreement to serve as the government efficiency commission and wrote on X quote I look forward to serving America If the opportunity arises, no pay, no title, no recognition is needed.End quote, politicians have pushed for government efficiency commissions in the past. A president, Republican president, Ronald Reagan, established a similar body while he was in office from 1981 to 1989 called the grace commission. Trump's proposal sparked criticism for Everett Kelly, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, a union that represents 750, [00:06:00] 000 federal workers.Oh, I bet it did. I bet they don't want people going through those books and finding where people aren't needed anymore. So for more context here, the idea for this commission originated in a conversation between Trump and Elon Musk in August, 2024.Musk endorsed Trump for president in July, 2024. The proposal is part of Trump's broader economic plan for a potential second term, which includes tax cuts and deregulation. See you. This is huge. And it's been very interesting for me to watch. I watched an MSNBC coverage of this and they were just freaking out.They were like, Twitter, this has gotten so bad since mush took it over. It's become a disinformation platform.Speaker 3: Foreign interference in American elections, something we've all been on the lookout for since 2016. But there's also, like, a really disturbing information environment in America right now. Domestically, in this campaign year, there's nothing to do with illegal foreign interference. Elon Musk runs one of the most influential internet platforms, or at least it used to be, [00:07:00] formerly known as Twitter, and he has essentially turned that platform into a pro Trump, pro authoritarian disinformation machine, where he just posts vile bigotry and disinformation that millions of people see and share.It also seems like in two ways, the entire platform seems more and more engineered towards that kind of Sort of like trollish right wing politics,some things that lefties say they've gotten called by their fact checkers, which by the way, their fact checkers have been actually pretty fantastic. The fast checking system that Elon put in place and people are like, why do you say it's fantastic and fairly unbiased?People will say this and then regularly gloat that it fact checks Elon Musk. And it's like, that's my f ing proof, bro. The very fact that you will f ing bemoan how biased the system is when it catches lefties and then gloat that it's constantly catching Elon Musk in misrepresentations. That, to me, is what a, when a system, when a [00:08:00] government department is regularly arresting the emperor, it is NOT under the emperor's dictatorial control.Okay, buddy? In addition to that, just anyone who's used X recently knows it's a much more fun platform to use since Elon took over than before. And I remember MSNBC was like, they've become so troll y, they like, keep making these jokes, and like, Elon posted a picture of Kamala Harris in like a communist uniform, said that she was gonna make America communist in her first 30 days, and she didn't say that, and she never wore that uniform, and he is a liar!It's like, it's obviously like an AI generated image, like, oh my god.Speaker 3: Despite his site's own policy that you may not share synthetic, manipulated, or out of context media that may deceive or confuse people, Musk does that basically all day long. On Monday, he posted this, like, weird and pretty schlocky AI generated image of what is supposed to be Vice President Kamala Harris, but doesn't really look like her, in a Soviet looking uniform, commenting, [00:09:00] Kamala vows to be a communist dictator on day one.Can you believe she wears that outfit? In point of fact, I can't, because she doesn't, and it's AI. That post alone was viewed more than 81 million times, at least according to Twitter's metrics, which, you know, who knows if you can trust themThey're like, it wasn't even fact checked. It's like, yeah, because people who aren't retarded are retarded. Would see that it's a joke. Okay. I don't know if I'm allowed to say retarded, but that's a retarded thing to say. But anyway, going further with this they were complaining about, and people who know how bad this has gotten.We did this video on Elon Musk. You know, getting Twitter banned in Brazil because he wouldn't ban a bunch of people that they told him to write another large democracy and then Campbell Harris saying, like, I like that. They banned him. That's a good thing because we have to treat all social media platforms the same the way we treat Facebook.They're like, if you have one set of rules for Facebook and one separate X. And now we know that the government forced Facebook. To ban posts that were true because they [00:10:00] hurt Democratic campaign officers, specifically the FBI made them take down the Hunter Biden laptop story and parts of the COVID misresponse stuff.But then in addition to that I have learned since I made that post that some of the people who they wanted Hex to remove in Brazil were sitting legislative officials who were concerned. Oh, no. Really? It wasn't just mainstream, like, you know, their version of, like, Tucker Carlson. It was other party members who weren't on their party's side.This was a dictatorial coup attempt. Wow. And of course the left can't handle that Elon is allowing for free speech. But what is and something I mentioned in another podcast, for people who have like these weird interpretations of Elon Musk because they believe, like, do you understand? Elon Musk is the wealthiest person in the world, okay?And if you're like, and being liked as the wealthiest person in the world is, [00:11:00] Okay, if you're like, he could just give his money to poor people, it's like, well, Mark Zuckerberg tried that Bill Gates tried that. Did they get any love for? They are much more hated than Elon, right? Elon is just an autistic dad.Okay. He's an autistic dad who is in a fight with some of his ex wives. That is who Elon really is. Okay. He is not like, and he's smart. He's smart as hell. Okay. He has achieved a great deal in his life. And when you who has achieved astronomically less than him degrade him, believing these fake stories you're hearing about him and these fake interpretations of him, you look like a buffoon to other competent people who have actually achieved things in their lives.You look like a buffoon. . But anyway, Simone, thoughts? I've been on a rant this time. It, it's an exciting idea. I, I'm [00:12:00] confused as to why this same interest in greater efficiency cleaning up legislation and cleaning up fraud is not also demonstrated in the Democratic Party.You would think that it's universal beneficiaries of all that, right? But it should be a truth universally acknowledged that everyone would want things to run more efficiently and costs to be lower Democratic Party. And I think people misunderstand how critical a voting bloc this is to the Democratic Party.The public sector unions are a massive. An important voting block to the Democratic Party, even though only 4 percent of Americans are apparently in unions, which is. Right, but they can decide elections. Okay, specifically the public sector unions because they're very good at whipping out their people to vote as blocks.All right, and they are needed for democratic primaries. If you go against the teachers union or something like that, you're not going to win the election. [00:13:00] This is why we can't have education reform in the U. S. Because the teachers union has a democratic party completely in their pocket. This is why Democrats will never do any real education reform.And this is why anything that looks at government corruption and inefficiency is going to be seen as an existential threat to public sector unions because they. They know what's up. They know about, in New York, that there's teachers who have gotten over two million dollars while not teaching classes, just because it's so hard to fire a teacher in New York.By the way, the teacher who this happened to I think they molested multiple young girls. And they just weren't fired because it was easier. And the teacher's union is protecting them, still preventing them. That is what teacher's union stands for, is the molestation of children. That is what they defend, and that is what, and there was a famous quote from the head of the New York I think it was the Manhattan Teacher's Union, that we will start advocating for the best interests of students the moment students start paying teacher union dues.They do not care about students [00:14:00] when Mark Zuckerberg tried to, you know, trying to do the generic thing to help people. He went out there and he gave I think it was a 10 million, no, a hundred million dollars to the new with some stupid, stupid in terms of its generosity, like just insanely high, 46 million of it.Went to a bribe to the teacher's union so that the rest of it could be used to pay Teachers who worked more more money i. e. Yeah, the premise of his general philanthropic effort was Well, what if teachers who had better student outcomes received basically incentive pay and reward? For producing better student outcomes.And that was such an offensive concept to the teachers unions that he basically had to pay bribes. Because God has a bribe and people will be like, well, it wasn't technically a bribe. It went to their, whatever back fund when you're the birder birder fund and the herd of birder fund, it went [00:15:00] to the unions.Okay. It's a bribe, call it whatever you want. It was money that wasn't paid in the way that was meant to improve student outcomes. It had to be paid this way so that they could even attempt improve student outcomes. That is how little teachers unions care. About student outcomes. They do. Actually, there was a great study done on this that Simone likes to share during covid that was looking at how strict covid restriction policies were in school.It looked no, basically, it looked at where they were the longest school shutdowns during the pandemic in the United States, and then it looks to see what it correlated with more. Did it correlate with the severity of the disease burden in an area, or did it correlate more with the strength of a teacher's union?And lo and behold, the correlation was with the strength of teachers unions. That was quite a high correlation. And there was basically zero correlation with the actual threat. Of COVID 19 in [00:16:00] that area at that time, but I want to elevate what this means for everyone remember how like they fired that woman who is going to be the next head of Levi's because She said I think she was actually already the ceo of Levi Strauss company a very famous jeans company in the united states And she became very vociferous about school closure policies as a mother of black children.Hold on, hold on, hold on, Simone. You're forgetting part of the story. Specifically, she was concerned about the closure of minority dominated schools. Her point was that basically privileged and wealthy parents Are not in a position to stop people from complaining about school closures because they are quietly proceeding to get private tutors for their students and getting their kids into private schools that are still open.Whereas those who have no money for alternatives are losing their kid's education. And, and, and what's important here, she's removed from her position. Never [00:17:00] reinstated after Covid when it turned out she was right about this. But what's important to note is we now know these school closures did nothing.These school closures were motivated by the teachers unions. Teachers who had these strong unions and saw Covid as an opportunity to basically just stay. Stop working for a couple of years at the expense of an entire generation of American students, because now we know these weren't backed by the science.Now we know these didn't work. We can look at the data. Now we know that these were predominantly done by the teachers unions because we can look the length of them was determined by the strength of the teachers union. And that was by far the highest correlator to how long these lasted. These were just an opportunity for power hungry teachers unions to have teachers stop working when they felt like it.It is horrifying, horrifying what's being done to the students. And I should note, many of the teachers didn't want to stop. They were like, what are you doing? Right? Like, the unions are not run by the teachers who care about the students. They are run by [00:18:00] the teachers who wanted to play the power politics of teacher union stuff.Let me word this a different way, okay? Teachers unions are like if your profession wasn't run by the people who are good at your profession, but was run by the type of people who run abusive HOAs. Okay, those are homeowner associations for people outside the U. S. which are famous for just being really annoying and bureaucratic and woke and terrible.Yeah, well, and basically obligating you to spend huge amounts of money every month on things you don't want to spend money on, but you have no choice because you owe Mahone in this community. So that's a scary prospect for people. Well, and our teacher union is not doing the same thing. You know, they force teachers to give them a part of their pay.Yeah, yeah. They, they, they can spend it on these. Terrible for students stuff that these bureaucrats who don't care about students and the bureaucrats who don't care about students. They love that free time at home. In fact we saw this was an issue because we know people who are high up in like administration of education departments where when teachers started going back to [00:19:00] school, many of them were like, well, okay, here's my ultimatum either.I quit or I stay working from home because what they had done was taken other jobs. And they realized that their other jobs were just better than going back to school. So it was easy for them to make that ultimatum. They, they use this to take on multiple jobs. We should also do a episode on the myth of low teacher pay. There's a great article on this, but like, when you actually account for things, and you account for, uh, time off, and you account for the amount that they get in terms of what is it? Summer vacation? No, no, no. The amount they get in like pension benefits and pensions.Oh, like health, health insurance. Yes. You can troll for qualification and education level. Teachers earn something like 30 percent more than people in the private sector. Like they, it's actually a fantastically paid position. It's just that people overestimate how much people are earning in the private sector.But you know, we've talked about this in other projects, people broadly just overestimate how much most Americans make. But Simone, [00:20:00] your thoughts on this. Do you think this can save America? A government efficiency department run by Elon. And are we going to be applying to that? I would apply to that in a hot second.And. I don't think it could save America because I think that the deep state or whatever you want to talk, like call it the, the bureaucratic machine is a lot harder to dismantle and would take much more than four years, but I think that it could do a lot of good. And create a precedent where if it does a lot of good people recognize that it does good, that could create momentum that builds over time, which would be absolutely dreamy.I mean, just imagine, I think the other big problem, and it's not even, you don't have to hate government to recognize the fact that many of the departments that we have in government in the United States and elsewhere. In the world as well, they were created before the Internet. They were created during very different times with very different [00:21:00] technology and very different resources.So their staffing composition, the way that things are structured doesn't necessarily correlate with modern technology, management methods, all sorts of things like that. And they could almost certainly be run far more efficiently. So I think, you know, you don't have to hate government to recognize that talent is being misallocated now and resources are being misallocated.I sometimes feel like when I hear you talking, I'm like, wow, she's so like cold and rational and, and, and pragmatic. And, and, Am I being Pollyanna ish here or what? No, you're not being Pollyanna ish. I think you're, you, you represent I guess I'm like the emotional side of the voice. I can't believe they're doing.We have to wait. Your sense and I'm sensibility. Oh no, your sensibility and I'm Sense . And you're coming in and you're like, well, you know, a lot of these departments were created during a different era and it is very important that we go through and we update them for a modern context using, well, that's our autistic schizoid [00:22:00] dynamic here.Right? We you know, we do, we do very well together. I'm quite happy to be married to you. For people who are wondering what she's talking about there, look up the video the Schizoid to Autist Spectrum. It actually did pretty well, the video, and one person on it was like, in the comments, they were like, This must be taken down immediately!This could cause harm to these communities! Are we both an insult too? No, no, no. Because we're presenting novel theories around the way these things work. And somebody who is of this mindset of the urban monoculture's explanation for everything is sacrosanct. And any alternate explanation, even if it's scientifically backed, is incredibly dangerous because, you know, we're, we're challenging dogma from, from their perspective.He's basically yelling heretic, burn him! Heretic! You know, we weren't talking. I mean, like, I feel like. Schizophrenia and autism aren't necessarily. Hot button issues in the modern progressive movement here. Sorry.. Do you, do you remember where we were in the [00:23:00] conversation? We were talking schizoid. Oh yeah. I wanted to mention, this is a little unrelated, but if we're talking about people with brain wiggles and you and I have brains full of wiggles the term neurodivergent.was not meant for everyone who had brain wiggles. It was meant for people with Asperger's specifically. The woman who, who termed the phrase. Yes. Then she's like later been a little miffed that people just decided to use this word and apply it to like everything. You know, I think it's, it was sort of OCD if I do how a lot of people are like, Oh, I'm so OCD and they're not, you know, they're just like, They're just basic b*****s and they're just like, oh, so OCD.And they're not, they're not and I think that that has happened as well with neurodivergent. I, I had no idea. I thought that neurodivergent just meant like, I just, I see myself as. I, I never really fit in with one group. I just floated from group to group, you know. All right, but Simone, [00:24:00] we need to talk about the existential threat to our democracy.Yeah. Anyway, yeah. Side, side note. I was just talking with the person who's helping us with all these mailer ballots and they were like yeah, we, they're like, you guys are young, but like we had freedom our entire lives. And like, this does not feel like the United States used to feel. And I felt that way when I was watching this recent MSNBC bit and recent news bits where I'm just like, They're just like lying to us now and lately, I love like, and it's been amazing working with our campaign volunteers because they're incredibly helpful and they're so you're not going to volunteer for a campaign or for the conservative cause in America if you don't have hope, because otherwise, why would you bother?Right? They do have some hope. And yet. Call it election pod. Say they talk about election pod. They talk about election wiggles. And they talk about the underpinnings of our democratic institutions not working anymore.And yet, they're still [00:25:00] trying. But it's scary to hear that. Because We, I want to do a separate episode on this. But I'm going through this show called The Good Fight that first started running right around when Trump was elected. And it was sort of a follow up of this other U. S. based TV show series, like a law procedural called The Good Wife.But it's basically a show about Trump derangement syndrome. And what's crazy is that, and I want to do a podcast about the, this show shows. The perspective of someone with Trump derangement syndrome. And it's a show that devolves to the point where the characters literally justify and the show seems to literally justify committing.Well, there's an episode. I could not find clips from it. I was so mad. I tried to find it uploaded anywhere, daily motion, YouTube, anywhere. Cause I wanted to drag these clips from it, but There's this great clip that you were talking about where they're like, yeah, we need to start lying and cheating andsorry, using election pods. Using, wiggling votes, wiggling, making the votes, [00:26:00] wave in the wind, do a little, little, you know. Whatever. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. We'll, we'll say, yeah, get on a post hoc basis changing voters minds. Very convincingly. But yeah, like that, that there's a show that's basically like, well, here's the logical argument.For why we're totally justified in doing this and we should be doing this. And it's, it's insane that these ideas are apparently mainstream. So yeah, it, it, it saddens me that we can hear such hopeful stories of let's, let's make it an initiative of the government to clean things up. Let's. Let's make things better.And that that's actually even seen as an attack point in political ads. I was speaking with a lobbyist this afternoon. To get his insights on what's going on with the election in the state of Pennsylvania, a key swing state in the United States. And he was [00:27:00] talking about an election ad. He heard while driving cross country for Kamala Harris in favor of her, that talked about how one of Trump's desired actions is to completely evaporate the department of education.And that, that alone for him was a selling point. He's like, sign me up. Like, this is an attack ad. So yeah, I'm, I'm, well, and that's where you get people when, when the, when the, I'm not going to be like, Oh, I'm pro Trump because I saw that ad. I'm like, Oh, he could lie about that. Right. Whatever. But with Kamala doesn't add this, like, let's get, Trump says he wants to get rid of the federal education department.And people are listening to that and they're like, Hmm. Yeah, you know, I mean, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. That was actually something when Trump announced the government efficiency campaign, he specifically does a long speech afterwards about the core focus of it is to focus on education, both the education department and [00:28:00] the government funded university system. Hmm. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, although I just, I have my doubts of Jordan Peterson, for example, recently. Released some online university that's not accredited. But he's trying to provide the equivalent of, of an affordable college education to people.There are all, all sorts of online certification programs. There's course careers. I just don't see any of it at present being picked up. I hear people like the investors and employers of the all in podcast. You know, these are very influential people. With a very influential podcast saying, yeah, you know, we, we should start, you know, we, we need to ignore prestigious universities and, and, and hire people just based on merit.And many of them actually do and have done for many years. You know, they just don't hire people from prestigious universities because they found that they're too entitled. They don't actually do any work, but. You know, just the fact that they're saying that we [00:29:00] need to do that really shows that people are still leaning on these institutions for the vetting they do, if nothing else.I feel like maybe one of the most efficient things you could ever do is get rid of everything but universities admissions boards. And so you get no, but the admissions boards are the heart of the evil, but if you get into Harvard, then it means that we just need an alternate system that because the admissions boards are the root of the evil or the DEI is to be, but employers want, they want someone else to do their work for them.Employers want somebody else to do the vetting for them. So how else can you, can you do someone's vetting for them? Well, there's actually been a great number of leaps in that area among elite circles that we hang out in. The core thing that people look for is did other people give this person money now?Yeah, but That's what they look for. So you well, she hasn't pooped in days. I need So, so an example here is typically like way more prestigious than a Harvard degree. These days are the Teal [00:30:00] fellowship, Teal fellowships are where they pay you to not go to college to work on whatever you want to work on because that's true.Yeah. If a kid has a Teal fellowship or a you know, an emergent ventures grant. For example, grants are considered really prestigious that might've dried up. Yeah. The Atlas fellowship. So we're already moving to this system where the people who are so talented that people just give them money, a Y Combinator investment.Yeah, much bigger deals in Harvard these days by those who know, But I guess that's who matters. Yeah. That's who knows people with money, people with access to opportunities. Yeah. We've already moved to this system. Oh, she looks so sleepy. She's in a state. She's just like, I don't know. I kind of want to engage.I don't even know what she's doing. I, I, she looks like I feel our children just act always like I feel, you [00:31:00] know, like when they're just screaming and shitting on the floor. I'm like, yeah, man, why can't I be screaming and shitting on the floor?Speaker 6: Take off your pants and your panties, s**t on the floor. Time to get schwifty in here.I'm doing it on the inside. You know, they just, I gotta, I gotta do the get shifty thing here.Our children though. I think children really, a person's children. Is them drunk on steroids? You're seeing the real version of them plus their partner. You know, it's, yeah, there's no hiding it at that point. Even when you're drunk, you can still kind of people who hate their children, hate themselves. You know, you see all these things like I don't know where their spouses.Or, or they, yeah. Or they don't like their spouses. Yeah, because I love myself and you love Yeah. I, I like you love, love our kids. I like you, Simone. I love myself, , and I love our kids. They are fantastic. You, you, I have love for you, but you know. You're no Malcolm. I'm no Malcolm. It's true. I love you [00:32:00] more than I love me.You are amazing though. You can't look at a mirror without seducing yourself and I can't look at a mirror without cringing and thinking, Oh God. So explain what you mean by that because this is actually a fault of mine. Yeah. You will, Malcolm will walk by reflective surfaces, mirrors, windows, and sort of stop and kind of admire himself.And our kids do exactly the same thing. In fact, in these. Favorite toy. This baby here is literally the mirror that you bought for Octavian four years ago, our oldest son. Yeah. And she just, she'll sit in the mirror and she'll just be like, and she'll like laugh. And I'll give you a clip. I have proof.I have video proof of a video. I actually just took this one yesterday. She's in the same outfit, just going. She freaking loves it. So this is a genetic trait. But yeah, you absolutely self love. You know what? Well, I think it's because you're all extraordinary people and you recognize that. Elon Musk is one of those people.I think he also enjoys, [00:33:00] he enjoys being himself, though. He has more of a tortured soul. And then you are for sure. Like he, he does not necessarily like being him, but I think he knows that he's a big deal. I would rather be me than Elon Musk. Oh yeah. When he said that, like he said this in multiple interviews, like you do not want to be me.I am not a happy person. I'm not a serene or calm person. And you actually know how to like, enjoy yourself, which is great. Oh, I love my life. This life is off. I genuinely, when people are like, we might be in a simulation. I genuinely, unlike for me, the big evidence for me that I'm in a simulation is I do not believe that life can be this good.This is the before scene. Like my life these days is the before scene. I hate that so much. I have that feeling all the time. I'm like, Oh s**t. When is it going to drop? When is, Oh no. Well, that's why I've recently made the rule. We can't all be in a plane at the same time. We can't all like, we gotta, we gotta come up with rules to protect this because this is getting in the before scene vibe is too strong.Too strong. Yeah, I agree. But yeah, I mean, [00:34:00] so do you think that that Trump is more likely to win This, with Elon Musk potentially leading up this efficiency department or not, or is just preaching to the choir? Look, I think that there's a brainwashing. Well, it went over centrists. Well, it went over swing voters.What? Well, it went over centrists and swing voters is the question. I know centrists and swing voters who between the last election cycle and this election cycle have moved from Democrat to Republican. I don't know a single one that has moved from Republican to Democrat. I feel that if we lose this election cycle, it is due to election wiggles.Because I just, just, no, just practically, I was actually talking with someone about this, and we tried to find anyone, a single human being who had publicly moved from Republican to Democrat between these two election cycles. And they said it was one they could find with Dick Cheney. And that's because his daughter got screwed [00:35:00] over when she went all Judas.well, so is also, I'm curious, do you think this is a similar sentiment in the EU? I feel like Europeans are a whole lot more pro democracy is, is, is. Efficiency and cutting fat a selling point only in the U S or would something like this also be popular in the EU and the UK? I haven't noticed it as much as a thing.I mean, obviously Margaret Thatcher did win in the UK. She's one of my favorite politicians in history. Insanely unpopular as well for doing things like that. They kind of saw her as like, you know, mean mommy doing what needs to be done, but they didn't like what mommy was doing. You know what I mean? Well, I mean, Mean Mommy needed to do what Mean Mommy needed to do.It's true. One of my favorite things, for people who don't know the history of Margaret Thatcher and stuff like that, just the best politician ever. She was known for being much better educated on any subject. than the people who she was you're back from [00:36:00] school. Okay. Come on. I'm competing against, I'm going to tell you a story about Margaret Thatcher.They call her the iron lady. Can you believe that the iron lady anyway? So she would do this thing called a handbagging people which, which we would see as like a woman beating a person with her purse. And it was when like local politicians would like challenge her. And then she'd start like.Asking them nitty questions about like their local economy. Like are you familiar with x from your local economy? Like have you done x about y? Like y about c? You know and just like a bunch of like popular local stuff that they should know about, but she knows about because she memorized it for every single district.That's such a, that's such a Lisa Simpson, like, er, woman thing to do, to just be like, Wow. According to my research. Yeah. You're gonna one me? Come on, sit here. You gotta, you're gonna do what to me, Octavian? Are you, what is that? Is that a gun that goes from your eye? Yeah. Are, who are you, are you shooting our fans?[00:37:00] Oh, no! Hey, Octavian, can you please tell our fans to like and subscribe? Like and subscribe! Wait, but Octavian, I have a question for you. Do you think the U. S. government is inefficient? Do you think the U. S. government is silly? Less? Are you going to shoot them with your eye laser? It's not an eye laser. Come on, Malcolm. It's a gun. What would they do to somebody if it hits them?I built it at, no, I'm not talking about I built it at school. Where'd you build it? I made it. Out of Legos. Oh. Do you often make guns? So it won't take, so it won't kill. Oh, so it won't kill. Oh. Because what happens with real guns, are you allowed to touch real guns, Octavian? What happens if you accidentally touch a real gun?Yeah, and that's [00:38:00] why bops are important. Right, Octavian? And, and, I have a question, I have a question. If somebody wastes money on silly things, what should happen to them, Octavian? I don't know. Well, suppose somebody took your money. Every year they took your money.What would you do to them? I really don't know. Sorry, he's just into shooting people with his eye gun. Well, you know, that's the first thing they teach you at kindergarten is how to be a school shooter.It's not why it's a school shooter. Well, I mean, he's a little white boy, right? They need more white boy school shooters for the narrative to work. Yeah. And less trans school shooters, because apparently they're all trans now. That's what I've seen. Not in the media. Well, not in the media, but by the actual statistics.Malcolm Collins: In 2017, there was the Randy Stare mass shooting in Tanahawken, PA. Next you had a shooting at a Maryland distribution center in 2018 , then you had a school shooting in Denver in [00:39:00] 2019, so no, right now.2017, 2018, 2019. Then the Colorado Springs LGBT nightclub shooter identified as non binary,that was in 2022. Then in 2023 the Nashville school shooting was also transgender now people can be like, oh that's not that many.That's only.Five mass shooters., almost one a year. That's not that many mass shooters.Malcolm Collins: And then I would point out that since 1982 in the United States, there have only been four female, cis female mass shootings. So just since 2017, there has been itMore trends, mass shootings than there have been female mass shootings since 1982. It's not anti-trans to point out that this is just a fact at this point. And we as a society should probably be doing something about the epidemic of trans mass shooters. what do you want to talk about? I don't know. I don't know. [00:40:00] Okay, I don't need you anymore. Get away from me, you gross and disgusting.They say I don't love my kid and they're right about that. Ilove you, Malcolm. Would you mind getting the kids what do you want for dinner? I have meat. I reheat the meat I have in the fridge from my Lunch yesterday. You don't like that I go out to lunch. Well, no, it's just that I got like two, two nights worth of meat thawed because you kept asking me to thaw it.Yeah, and I'll eat it. It'll be fine. Well, we're gonna, we're gonna be hosting dinners in DC soon. Oh, I forgot about that. Ouch. It's okay. I'll figure something out. Maybe I can get the kids to eat something. Well, you can just refreeze it. No. But I'll see if I can get the kids to eat something. It'll be fine.Just cook it through. Well, anyway, I'll reheat your stuff with rice. Do you want fried rice or plain rice? Fried rice if you can. I love it when you do that. Yeah. Only spring onions. No other vegetables. [00:41:00] If you have other vegetables, I'm happy to dig a vegetable heavy. Peas. Peas? Yeah. Oh no, then just the spring onions.Do you want me to sauté onion? Like chopped up onion? Diced up onion? No, but next time we go to Trader Joe's, we should get more vegetables. Oh no, we have the frozen. No, we have frozen. You want me to do those? Yes. Like your, like, whatever sauté vegetables you got at Costco? Yeah. I'll work on that. Just get the kids.Cause we gotta. All right. I love you. I'm sorry. I love you. Sorry. I was one who held us up. It was my fault. I love you. You're everything to me. Okay. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. I love you. I love you. Bye. Chao, chao. Chao, chao, chao, chao, chao, chao, chao. Octavian. Buddy. Buddy.Are you just going to do this for hours tonight? Okay. What do you want for dinner? Octavian? Dinner.You always say that. [00:42:00] Okay. Will you actually eat the pizza? Yes. And some meatball. And some, you know, corn. Oh boy.How about just some of those things? Yes. Okay. A lot of food. Okay. You brought your appetite. Alright, I'll see you downstairs, buddy. Get full access to Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm at basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe