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Feb 7, 2025 • 58min

Super Bowl for Markets: Jobs, Earnings, and Portfolio Diversifiers

Show from 02/07/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz opens the show, discussing market trends and economic indicators. Jeremy is then joined by Sonu Varghese from the Carson Group, along with Jeff Weniger, Sam Rines, and Chris Gannatti, for a deep dive into market trends, asset allocation, and economic outlooks. Sonu discusses his positive outlook on the U.S. economy, citing strong labor market fundamentals and productivity growth. The conversation covers key sectors of interest, potential risks from tariffs, and expectations for interest rates. The guests also touch on AI’s impact on productivity and broader market trends shaping investment strategies. Guest: Sonu has over 15 years of experience in the Asset Management industry. Before joining Carson, he was a Partner and Director of Research at Convex Capital Management where he co-managed portfolios, advised clients and led the research effort, including creating a proprietary leading economic index for 30 countries and systematizing investment processes. Prior to that Sonu worked independently with hedge fund managers and high-net worth individuals to develop quantitative investment models for trading equities, options, ETFs and closed-end funds. Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Carson Wealth: https://www.carsonwealth.com/ Follow Sonu Varghese on X: https://x.com/sonusvarghese Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Jeff Weiniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments
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Jan 31, 2025 • 56min

AI, Tariffs, and the Fed: Market Shifts and Risks Ahead

Show from 01/31/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss key market developments this week, covering the Fed meeting, the impact of DeepSeek on AI and chipmakers, and the potential consequences of new tariffs. The Prof notes that while the Fed’s latest move wasn’t highly consequential, the removal of certain inflation-related language raised some market expectations. He also highlights how DeepSeek’s AI advancements could challenge high-end chipmakers like NVIDIA while benefiting AI users and the broader economy. (15:13) Jeremy continues with Jeff Winnegar and Sam Rines, diving into the evolving AI landscape, China’s latest moves in AI with Alibaba’s model, and potential investment opportunities. They also analyze earnings trends, including Meta’s strong margins, Microsoft’s underperformance, and a surprising 31% same-store sales jump for Chili’s. The conversation wraps up with a broader discussion on market rotations and shifting sentiment in Silicon Valley towards Washington. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Jeff Weiniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments
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Jan 23, 2025 • 53min

The Professor’s Take on Trump 2.0

Show from 01/24/25 Chris Gannati and Jeff Weniger host this week’s Behind the Markets, sharing insights on the latest market trends. They discuss inflation metrics like CPI and PPI, noting stable progress in controlling inflation, and emphasizing confidence in Federal Reserve policy adjustments. (15:33) Chris and Jeff delve into European markets' performance and shifting investor sentiment, particularly towards Germany and France, driven by improving economic data and valuation opportunities. They also explore currency trends, global investor flows, and the implications of U.S. equity valuations compared to other regions. Guest: Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Jeff Weiniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments
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Jan 17, 2025 • 53min

Bitcoin, Inflation and the Fed: Bianco's Bets for 2025

Show from 01/17/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel open this week’s episode by discussing recent market trends, focusing on strong economic data, positive retail sales, and moderating inflation. The Professor emphasizes that bond yields are likely to climb above 5%, while highlighting Bitcoin’s current momentum and potential developments in the broader crypto market. He concludes with comments on valuations and long-term market expectations. (12:10) Jeremy then welcomes guest Jim Bianco from Bianco Research, who provides insights into the bond market. Bianco agrees with Professor Siegel on rising bond yields and discusses how higher yields may affect stocks. He also explores the implications of a strong U.S. dollar, sticky inflation, and global economic dynamics, including challenges in China and Japan’s monetary policy. Bianco shares his views on managing credit risks, favoring bank loans over corporate bonds, and discusses the potential for perpetual bonds from the U.S. Treasury. The conversation wraps up with a look at opportunities in European equities and crypto’s evolving role in financial systems. Guest: Jim Bianco is President and Macro Strategist at Bianco Research, L.L.C. Since 1990 Jim’s commentaries have offered a unique perspective on the global economy and financial markets. Unencumbered by the biases of traditional Wall Street research, Jim has built a decades-long reputation for objective, incisive commentary that challenges consensus thinking. In nearly 20 years at Bianco Research, Jim’s wide ranging commentaries have addressed monetary policy, the intersection of markets and politics, the role of government in the economy, fund flows and positioning in financial markets. Learn more about Jim at: https://www.biancoresearch.com/about-us/ Follow Jim on (X)Twitter: @biancoresearch
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Jan 10, 2025 • 53min

Hot Data, Cold Markets: Navigating the Fed, Economy, and Technology Trends

Show from 01/10/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel kicked off the episode by discussing the robust job market, the recent surge in inflationary expectations linked to tariffs, and the outlook on interest rates amid real growth concerns. Professor Siegel noted the resilience of commodity prices, the potential for higher long-term rates, and his skepticism about significant rate cuts in 2025, despite positive corporate earnings reports. He also highlighted the impact of rising real rates on stock valuations and his cautious stance on S&P growth projections. (16:08) Jeremy then shifted the conversation to macro strategists Sam Rines and Chris Gennady. Sam emphasized the positive outlook for leisure, hospitality, and business travel sectors, driven by robust consumer demand and stable cost structures. He also discussed the impacts of interest rate movements on financial stocks and energy prices, highlighting the significance of natural gas production in the U.S. Chris provided insights into the latest tech developments, including quantum computing, robotics, and biotech investments by major chipmakers. The discussion concluded with an overview of currency movements, global geopolitical dynamics, and the importance of energy infrastructure, as well as speculation about Canada's potential political and economic shifts. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investmen
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Jan 3, 2025 • 1h 1min

A cautious take for 2025's market expectations

Show from 01/03/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel began the first episode of 2025 by reflecting on the market's robust end to 2024 and the economic outlook for the new year. Professor Siegel emphasized the strong but balanced economic data, predicting no changes in Federal Reserve policy for 2025 and cautioning about potential corrections in the market. He discussed key risks, such as narrow market leadership driven by big tech and lingering bond market pressures, while emphasizing the complexities surrounding tariffs and fiscal policy under the new administration. (16:00) Jeremy was then joined by WisdomTree colleagues Sam Rines and Jeff Weniger for an in-depth discussion of 2025 market dynamics. They explored the potential effects of immigration policies on labor markets, the implications of expected tariffs, and evolving geopolitical risks in Europe and Asia. The group highlighted Argentina's surprising economic turnaround, the deflationary pressures stemming from China, and the ongoing investment potential in India and Japan. They also debated Europe's economic resilience, particularly Germany's DAX performance, despite widespread pessimism. The episode concluded with a lighter discussion on consumer trends, including the recent slowdown in fine wine and luxury goods markets. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Jeff Weiniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments
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Dec 20, 2024 • 53min

2025 Top Ideas and Outlook with Deep Rooted Macro Team

Samuel Rines, a Macro strategist at WisdomTree, and Jeff Weniger, Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree, dive deep into the implications of the Fed's rate cuts and the evolving economic landscape for 2024. They navigate crucial topics like the U.S. government's fiscal negotiations and the innovative efficiency push by tech giants like Google. The duo also examines market trends in China, India, and Japan, while discussing the exciting future of quantum computing and its potential impact on global investment strategies.
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Dec 13, 2024 • 58min

Deep Rooted Macro from Tokyo to DC: Insights on Inflation, Tech and Tariffs

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the tech sector's recent surge, focusing on portfolio rebalancing, the inflation outlook, and upcoming Fed decisions. The professor highlights the resilience of tech stocks, potential market corrections, and expectations for future interest rate cuts. (13:00) Jeremy leads a roundtable with Sam Rines, Jeff Weniger, and Christopher Gannatti covering global markets. They explore economic and geopolitical developments, including Japan's market strength, Korean political risks, and Europe's energy challenges. The team also examines China's volatile market environment, quantum computing advances, and the potential resurgence of Argentina's economy. Looking ahead, they discuss investment themes like AI, IPO activity, and the ongoing tech vs. value stock debate. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Jeff Weiniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments
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Dec 6, 2024 • 53min

The best opportunities for fixed income investors

Show from 06/12/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss recent economic indicators, highlighting stable jobless claims, a neutral unemployment rate, and market reactions to labor reports. The Professor comments on inflation expectations, monetary policy, and a potential December equity rally while cautioning against market consensus. He forecasts moderate Fed rate cuts in 2025 and notes AI's role in future productivity. (16:00) Jeremy continues with guests Harley Bassman of Simplify and Dave Goodson of Voya, exploring fixed income strategies and opportunities in the mortgage and securitized credit markets. They discuss the appeal of newly issued mortgage bonds, challenges in the corporate credit landscape, and the implications of policy uncertainty. Harley emphasizes the benefits of selling optionality in mortgages, while Dave highlights the relative value in agency RMBS and structured credit markets. Both delve into the dynamics of private credit growth and the evolving role of volatility in investment strategies. Guest: Harley Bassman created, marketed and traded a wide variety of derivative and structured products during his twenty six year career at Merrill Lynch. In 1985 he created the OPOSSMS mortgage options product that facilitated risk transmission between MBS originators and financial institutions. In 1988, he assumed responsibility for trading and marketing IO/PO and other levered prepayment securities. Soon after this, he started purchasing RTC auctioned MBS Servicing rights and repackaged them for the securities market as BIGS - Beneficial Interests in GNMA Servicing. Later, he started a GNMA servicing conduit becoming one of the Top 20 originators in 1992. As managing and hedging prepayment risk became a priority focus for the financial markets, Mr. Bassman created PRESERV, Merrill's trademarked Prepayment Cap product. Merrill was a leader in this product category writing protection that covered the risk on tens of billions of notional mortgage servicing rights. Later, Mr. Bassman managed Merrill's initial venture into off-balance sheet mortgage trading. Dave Goodson is a managing director, head of securitized fixed income and a senior portfolio manager for non-agency and agency mortgage-backed securities, commercial mortgage-backed securities and asset-backed securities strategies at Voya Investment Management. Prior to joining Voya, he was a principal at an independent investment bank focused on asset-backed commercial paper transactions. Previously, Dave began his career as a vice president in Wachovia Securities’ asset-backed finance group, marketing and executing securitizations for the bank’s corporate clients. He earned a BS in management from the Georgia Institute of Technology Follow Harley Bassman on X: https://x.com/ConvexityMaven Follow David Goodson on X: https://x.com/dg_davidgoodson Simplify: https://www.simplify.us/ Voya: https://www.voya.com/
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Nov 22, 2024 • 52min

The Bull Market Continues: It’s Just Math

Show from 11/22/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss recent market developments, highlighting a continued strength in jobless claims, the Fed's future rate adjustments, and the implications of Bitcoin's rise toward $100,000. The Prof also shared his perspective on economic indicators such as inflation expectations, with attention to upcoming CPI and employment reports, before concluding with a note on the importance of fiscal policies for market dynamics. (12:00) Jeremy is then joined by J.C. Parets, founder of AllStarCharts.com, to analyze the current market environment through the lens of technical analysis. J.C. details the methodologies behind his market outlook, emphasizing the importance of identifying the prevailing market cycle to optimize strategies. He discusses key charts that signal market strength, including Amazon, Bitcoin, small caps, and the Dow Jones Transportation Average. Additionally, J.C. highlights sector trends in technology and biotech, providing insights into areas showing relative strength. The conversation rounds out with a focus on the evolution of the cryptocurrency market and its growing significance in the broader financial ecosystem. Guest: JC Parets, who holds a Chartered Market Technician (CMT) designation, is the founder of All Star Charts and is one of the most widely followed Technical Analysts in the world. All Star Charts is a research platform for both professional and retail investors covering US and International stocks, interest rates, commodities and forex markets. Follow J.C Parets on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jcparetscmt To get the charts discussed in the podcasts, please visit http://Getthecharts.com

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