Behind the Markets Podcast

Show from 06/06/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel analyze the latest employment report, which showed a mixed picture with strong healthcare and entertainment hiring, despite downward revisions in prior months. Professor Siegel emphasized the overall positive market sentiment, noting resilience in spending and projecting potential new all-time highs for the S&P 500. (11:23) Jeremy and Chris Gannatti are joined by Dylan Patel, founder of SemiAnalysis, to explore critical AI infrastructure themes discussed at the SCSP conference. They dive into the challenges of US chip policy, the implications of export restrictions, global supply chain risks, and power constraints facing data centers. Dylan provides a deep dive into geopolitics, national security, and whether AI infrastructure spending—especially in the Middle East—is sustainable or represents the next bubble. Guest: Dylan Patel is the Founder, CEO, and Chief Analyst of SemiAnalysis – the preeminent authority on all things AI and semiconductors. Through Dylan’s unwavering commitment to excellence, he has built the firm from the ground up as the recognized authority on the semiconductor supply chain to the cloud ecosystem, machine learning models, and all things in between. Since 2020, SemiAnalysis has transformed its business from a solo venture into a cohesive and focused team to provide breaking news and in-depth analysis for the most strategic, complex, and escalating challenges in the semiconductor industry. Follow Dylan on X: https://x.com/dylan522p?lang=en Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments SCSP Conference: https://www.scsp.ai/

Philip Blancato, Chief Market Strategist at Osaic and CEO of Ladenburg Thalmann Asset Management, joins macro strategist Samuel Rines to dive into financial trends. They discuss the recent improvement in the U.S. trade deficit and its implications for GDP growth. The chat covers the resilience of U.S. consumers amidst geopolitical tensions and tariffs, along with opportunities in small and mid-cap stocks. Insights into the evolving European market and the transformative potential of AI and cryptocurrencies round out their engaging analysis.

Show from 05/23/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel break down the latest market concerns, focusing on President Trump's Truth Social posts and the potential impact of threatened tariffs on Apple and the EU. Professor Siegel expresses a cautiously optimistic view on markets, contingent on the rollback of these tariffs, and comments on unemployment claims, inflation indicators, and bond market reactions. (14:56) Jeremy continues with guests Sam Rines, Chris Gannatti, and Jeff Weniger to explore the implications of Trump's tariff threats, particularly on luxury European goods and Apple’s production strategy. They delve into trade negotiations, the bond market's influence on fiscal policy, and the potential for an austerity-driven economic debate. The team also evaluates AI’s economic impact, energy policies influenced by geopolitical strategies, and developments at major tech firms like Google and Microsoft, ending on mixed notes of caution and optimism for market trends and consumer behavior. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Samuel Rines, a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, and Chris Gannatti, the Global Head of Research there, dive into the resilient market landscape. They discuss the impact of tariffs, the overestimation of inflation, and recent geopolitical shifts, including Trump's Middle East trip. The duo explores advancements in AI and robotics, potential manufacturing shifts from China to India, and Cooperate strategies amid international tensions. They also touch on promising trends in healthcare pricing and groundbreaking biotech innovations that may drive economic growth.

In this engaging discussion, Macro Charts, a Substack publisher known for his insights on global markets, dives into the current state of market sentiment and tactical asset shifts. He expresses cautious optimism about a potential dollar rebound while highlighting the underperformance of international markets. The conversation also touches on the rotation away from growth stocks and the strong momentum seen in Bitcoin. Additionally, they explore implications of Fed policy and ongoing concerns about stagflation and supply chain disruptions.

Sam Rines, a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, joins Jeff Weninger and Chris Gannatti to discuss resilient market behavior amidst tariff worries. They highlight how consumer staples are adapting to pricing pressures and the fluctuating sentiment toward tech earnings driven by AI efficiencies. The conversation explores international market opportunities, particularly in India and Europe, while maintaining a cautiously optimistic view on the broader economic outlook. They also tackle the implications of mixed signals from economic data and evolving trade agreements.

David Kotok, co-founder of Cumberland Advisors and author of The Fed and the Flu, dives into the economic aftermath of tariff shocks and critical insights on the Federal Reserve's policies. He discusses historical reactions to pandemics and their effects on financial stability. Kotok also explores the role of central banks in managing public health crises and the implications for municipal bonds, gold, and global trade. His expertise shines light on the complexities of today's market dynamics and the interconnectedness of economic strategies worldwide.

Show from 04/18/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel dive into this week’s market outlook, starting with Powell’s latest commentary and potential rate cuts. The Professor expresses concern over Powell downplaying recent favorable inflation data and suggests a preemptive rate cut is warranted, warning of recession risks if tariffs persist. He also critiques corporate earnings guidance in the face of rising trade uncertainty and emphasizes how tariffs could cap market growth for the foreseeable future. (17:32) Jeremy continues the conversation with Sam, Chris, Jeff, and Kevin, covering a wide array of macro topics. The discussion highlights bullish sentiment on non-U.S. markets, especially Japan, Mexico, and India amid shifting trade dynamics. The group also debates long-term investment themes, including the resilience of AI and tech despite tariff concerns, the resurgence of gold, and the critical role of cybersecurity in modern portfolios. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chris Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Show from 04/11/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel reviewed a volatile week in the markets, focusing on rising yields and the dollar’s slide. The Professor attributed bond market moves to growing concerns about the U.S. deficit and potential shifts in global reserve currency dynamics. He emphasized the inflation impact of tariffs, potential recessionary risks, and questioned the long-term dominance of the U.S. economy. (47:03) Jeremy continues with Kevin Flanagan, Chris Gannatti, Jeff Weniger, and Sam Rines to unpack market reactions to geopolitical tensions, shifts in monetary policy expectations, and emerging market dynamics. The group discusses bond market mechanics, foreign policy ramifications, the relative strength of dividend-paying stocks, and how tech and AI trends may evolve amid supply chain and tariff uncertainty. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space As part of WisdomTree’s Investment Strategy group, Kevin Flanagan serves as Head of Fixed Income Strategy. In this role, he contributes to the asset allocation team, writes fixed income-related content and travels with the sales team, conducting client-facing meetings and providing expertise on WisdomTree’s existing and future bond ETFs. In addition, Kevin works closely with the fixed income team. Prior to joining WisdomTree, Kevin spent 30 years at Morgan Stanley, where he was Managing Director and Chief Fixed Income Strategist for Wealth Management. He was responsible for tactical and strategic recommendations and created asset allocation models for fixed income securities. He was a contributor to the Morgan Stanley Wealth Management Global Investment Committee, primary author of Morgan Stanley Wealth Management’s monthly and weekly fixed income publications, and collaborated with the firm’s Research and Consulting Group Divisions to build ETF and fund manager asset allocation models. Kevin has an MBA from Pace University’s Lubin Graduate School of Business, and a B.S in Finance from Fairfield University. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Kevin Flanigan on X: https://x.com/kevinflanaganwt Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Join renowned Wharton finance professor Jeremy Siegel, Macro Strategist Sam Rines, and Fixed Income Head Kevin Flanagan as they dissect recent tariff policies and their market implications. Siegel argues that tariffs are a major misstep and suggests the Fed should cut rates despite inflationary pressures. Rines and Flanagan delve into global trade tensions, exploring responses from countries like India and Japan. They also discuss strategies for navigating market volatility, the shift towards dividend stocks, and the geopolitical landscape affecting investments.