
Heterodorx
“Based TERF and Tranny” Nina Paley and Cori Cohn talk about gender — and anything else they find interesting and/or horrifying — with warmth, sarcasm, respect, cutting intelligence, more sarcasm, and disarming honesty. heterodorx.substack.com
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Nov 14, 2023 • 1h 4min
Ladies' Autogynephilia Chat with Shannon Thrace
Shannon Thrace is a "transwidow" and author of the must-read novel Eighteen Months: A Memoir of a Marriage Lost to Gender Identity. She joins handmaiden pick-me tranny-lover Nina for a women’s-only talk about AUTOGYNEPHILIA, the cause célèbre currently ripping apart the TERFosphere. Is this about safeguarding and holding women’s boundaries, or is it tribal signaling? Why is it OK for David Bowie to crossdress, but not Phil Illy? Should there be different crossdressing rules for men and women? Who gets to make those rules? Where do we draw our lines? Did Nina wade into a morass or a cesspool? These are questions without definitive answers, except one: Where is Corinna? Answer: at work today, so Nina recorded and edited this episode alone.Links:Shannon Thrace’s essay, Genspect and AGPgate: https://shannonthrace.substack.com/p/genspect-and-agpgateNina’s Art Coop "NO TERFS" sign complaint: https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/jim-dey-terf-battle-in-urbana-averted/article_cdf7ecd4-2e0d-5759-84b7-fbbe653de2a5.htmlGenspect Denver conference: https://genspect.org/the-bigger-picture-continues-denver-colorado/Phil Illy: https://substack.com/profile/109324793-phil-illyThis Jungian Life: Aaron Balick - Why Does Social Media Weaponize Our Reactions? https://thisjungianlife.com/aaron_balick/Laura Becker/Funk God: https://www.funkgod.com/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Oct 31, 2023 • 1h 18min
"Ask a Zionist" with Rabbi Jonathan Greenberg
After last weeks “Ask an Anti-Zionist,” the Dorx return to Ask a Zionist, Rabbi Jonathan Greenberg. What is a Zionist? Answer: “A person who believes that the Jews have a right to self-determination and self-protection in the ancient land of Israel,” which he says is the historical, original, biblical, literal Jewish homeland. Greenberg does not suffer discomfort with power and moral complexity. He reminds us every conceivable solution to “one of the most intractable conflicts on earth” has already been argued, and there is nothing new under the sun. “In every generation, they rise against us to destroy us.” Greenberg says Jews should arm up; culture matters; the rules of war are outdated; nobody actually cares about the Palestinians; media coverage is biased; history tells you what, philosophy tells you why; and Israel is not a colonial project, it’s a coming home. Nina asks: How will this end? Answer: ???Links:Jonathan Greenberg on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JGreenbergSezJewish Voice for Peace: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/If Not Now: https://www.ifnotnowmovement.org/Not In Our Name: https://notinourname.net/Anti-Defamation League: https://www.adl.org/Peter Beinart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_BeinartZe’ev Jabotinsky: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze%27ev_JabotinskyJewish students barricaded in Cooper Union library: https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/news/cooper-union-barricades-jewish-students-inside-library/Pro-Palestinian projections on George Washington University library: https://wjla.com/news/local/accusations-of-anti-semitism-on-george-washington-university-campus-after-projection-of-pro-palestinian-messages-student-group-students-for-justice-in-palestine-jewish-israel-hamas-war-dmv-washington-dc-communityThe Zionist Idea by Arthur Hertzberg: https://jps.org/books/zionist-idea/A History of Israel by Howard Sachar: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/159513/a-history-of-israel-by-howard-m-sachar/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Oct 26, 2023 • 1h 28min
“Ask an Anti-Zionist” with Andy the Anti-Zionist
The Dorx discuss recent events with Nina’s ex-boyfriend, Andy the Anti-Zionist. A first-generation American son of a Palestinian Catholic father, Andy was mistreated on a visit to Israel at age 12 and has avowedly opposed the state ever since. We discuss the importance of history, the rise of anti-semitism, media biases, blame, “terrorists,” who is “the little guy,” what is a woman I mean Zionist, ethnic cleansing, whether Israel’s “intelligence failure” was calculated, “both sides,” utopianism, Queers for Palestine, and our dubious future. Despite our differences, this anti-Zionist, non-Zionist, and Zionist all agree: we’re fucked. Next year in Jerusalem!Links:Medinat Weimar (for a Jewish state in Germany): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVGeR4r5hbk&ab_channel=amhaaretzSamantha Woll, Detroit rabbi stabbed: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2023/10/21/samantha-woll-dead-isaac-agree-downtown-detroit-synagogue-president/71271616007/Illinois lawyer’s antisemitic rant: https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1715216523915071978Anna Baltzer: http://www.annainthemiddleeast.com/Illinois Muslim boy stabbed: https://apnews.com/article/muslim-boy-killed-chicago-landlord-will-county-5135dea218326d6e639a996564d9369eAIPAC: https://www.aipac.org/Seder-Masochism (Nina’s animated feature film about Jewish identity): https://sedermasochism.com/download/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Oct 24, 2023 • 1h 23min
The Wrong Sort of Everything with Bev Jackson
Longtime activist and author Bev Jackson is a founding member of the UK Gay Liberation Front and, more recently, co-founder of the Lesbian Gay Bisexual Alliance (LGBA), one the the only organizations standing for homosexual (as opposed to “queer”) rights and the only UK charity supporting truly lesbian events. We discuss the corruption of Wikipedia, the astronomical increase of transing girls, the “born that way” narrative, zealous American politicians, outsourcing opinions, patience for the poorly-informed, boundaries vs inclusivity, pedophilia, Bad Law, medical scandals, and Tunnock’s Teacakes. Plus, Corrrrrri changes his name, and Nina writes a scathing Letter to the Editor. Who’s the queerest of them all? Listen and find out!Links:Bev on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BevJacksonAuthBev’s email: bev.jackson@lgballiance.org.ukLGBA website: https://lgballiance.org.ukTribunal Transcript (Mermaids vs Charity Commission & LGBA): https://lgballiance.org.uk/tribunal-transcript/LGBA conference: https://lgballiance.org.uk/tribunal-transcript/John Boyne apologizes to Graham Linehan: https://twitter.com/JohnBoyneBooks/status/1698830513077694477--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Oct 13, 2023 • 1h 22min
The Darkest Humor
Nina and Corinna — who between them comprise one-and-a-half Jews — discuss recent events in the Middle East, after a brief detour about IP Law and its discontents. We confuse Robert Redford with Paul Newman, compare synagogues and mosques with Starbuck’s and Dunkin’ Donuts, and learn the difference between philo-semites and hebephiles. Then we get dark. Do people hate Jews more than we thought? Does Israel commit atrocities, or military actions? Are young people nihilists? Forgive us, for despite the smoothest segues in podcasting, we know not what we do.Links:This Land Is Mine (short animation): https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY?si=ttwMH8SPCxpM0OI2The Exodus Song: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_of_ExodusExodus (movie): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(1960_film)Seder-Masochism (movie): https://sedermasochism.com/download/Nina’s Twitter thread about Jews vs Zionists: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1711371708190330934--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Oct 5, 2023 • 1h 19min
The Art of Dissident Feminists with J Berns
A Nasty Piece of Work: The Art of Dissident Feminists is the world’s first and only “TERF” Art show, featuring 14 female artists, all of whom have been canceled due to gender ideology. Its curator and organizer is J. Berns, an activist, mother, art lover, and upstanding badass. She talks about how her gallery was vandalized the day after the show’s successful opening; the difficulties of living in the Bay Area if you hold gender critical views; TERF money; ways women are not allowed their own language; how terrorists increasingly dictate speech; and hot pink blood. Wait until the end for her descriptions of the amazing works in the show, which runs until October 15 in San Francisco, and could even come to a city near you if you help make it happen!Links:A Nasty Piece of Work: The Art of Dissident Feminists https://www.accelerationspace.org/Vandalism of the art show, posted by the vandals themselves: https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2023/09/17/18858974.phpWomen Are Real: https://womenarereal.org/On Twitter: https://twitter.com/WomenAreRealsWDI: https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/Roisin Murphy - Hit Parade: https://roisinmurphy.bandcamp.com/album/hit-paradeIndiegogo cancels Nina: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2023/01/06/indiegogo-cancels-agents-of-h-a-g/Our Grace Lavery episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-26-trano-a-trano-with-grace-lavery/Our Kikomi episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-55-biotrans-with-kikomi/Genspect’s conference in Denver: https://genspect.org/the-bigger-picture-continues-denver-colorado/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Sep 21, 2023 • 1h 15min
Taking The Weird Path with Saya Hillman
Back when this podcast had only 4 listeners, Debbie Hillman of foodfarmsdemocracy.net was one of them. Debbie passed away in March, after which Corinna discovered a 2014 tribute video by her daughter. An interesting character in her own right, Saya Hillman joins the Dorx to talk about her mom, our moms, moms in general, dads, families, estrangement, growing up weird, adulting, fun, entrepreneurship, cleaning, pocket knives, making friends as an adult, silver linings, excess backups, old age, death, and living a fearless life. Learn about a fascinating daughter, a fascinating mother, and, most importantly, that dishwashers have filters that need to be cleaned. Links:Saya Hillman reads “If Only My Name Was Alexis”: https://youtu.be/oxijkP9tpAU?si=zHOFkad9yeVABcxSMac and Cheese Productions: https://macncheeseproductions.com/Debbie Hillman's memorial page: https://macncheeseproductions.com/debbie-hillman/Debbie Hillman’s twitter account: https://twitter.com/DLHillmanSeder-Masochism (featuring Nina’s Dad): https://sedermasochism.com/download/Does Sex Matter? Gender Identity vs Material Reality, our 2019 panel talk Debbie attended (we think): https://youtu.be/RguD61siLB8?si=4LpIn_zENirTxb49--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Aug 28, 2023 • 1h 9min
Listener Questions!
In this podcast, Corinna and Nina answer important questions about feminism, anger, and gender. They discuss the TERF-Tranny spectrum, the benefits of taboos, and iatrogenic infantilization. They also explore the question of whether 'cis' is a slur and talk about their plans for microdosing testosterone. It's a broad-ranging conversation that covers a wide range of topics!

Aug 23, 2023 • 1h 16min
Left Wing Heresy with Lisa Selin Davis
Guest Lisa Selin Davis, a prolific writer and researcher, explores the challenges of being a 'bad Lefty' and the importance of discussions without labels. The chapter also touches on defending free speech, experiences with activist groups and contemplating detransition, the struggles of being a 'bad Lefty', the influence of liberalism and compliance, and the antidote to AI and the limitations of freedom.

Aug 15, 2023 • 1h 22min
Heather Brunskell-Evans is (a) TERF*
The delightful and accomplished Dr Heather Brunskell-Evans joins the Dorx on short notice, first to talk about her work with Women’s Declaration International and Transgender Trend, then about her exhaustion with all manner of ideological nonsense, be it from trans rights activists or her “sisters” on the left. Purity spirals, tribal instincts, toxic agreeableness, Munchausen’s mums, disappointments, growing up female, Satan, misogyny, losing faith, and more keep her dancing between fed-up boredom and fierce determination. She may be Tired, but she will keep Explaining Reality until the F***wits listen up!*TERF: Tired of Explaining Reality to F***witsLinks:Dr. Heather Brunskell-Evans: https://www.transgendertrend.com/dr-heather-brunskell-evans/Women’s Declaration International: https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/about/Transgender Trend: https://www.transgendertrend.com/Keira Bell case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_v_TavistockPride flags on UK hospitals: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/05/giant-pride-flag-painted-on-hospital-criticised/Apocalypse Animated: https://apocalypseanimated.com/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe
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