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Cori returns from San Francisco with brief tales of the Endocrine Society before launching into crazy population projections (AGAIN) and then making some rather provocative arguments. What are Human Rights? Can children consent to irreversible decisions? Is the individual the most important unit of society? Are women never competent? Has Cori been wearing Nina down for an hour and a half, or just an hour? Despite still grieving her cat, Nina does a good job arguing right back and the resulting debate is actually pretty good.Links:SF TERF Central: https://x.com/sf_terf_centralEndocrine Society conference in San Francisco: https://www.endocrine.org/meetings-and-events/endo-2025The Female Eunuch by Germaine Greer: https://seminariolecturasfeministas.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/germaine-greer-the-female-eunuch.pdfSelf-fertilizing plants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-pollinationMating In Captivity by Esther Perel: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/mating-in-captivity-esther-perel?variant=41231555362850Human Rights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rightsThe Center for Individual Rights: https://cir-usa.org/The Age of White Guilt by Shelby Steele: https://cir-usa.org/2002/11/the-age-of-white-guilt-and-the-disappearance-of-the-black-individual/Nina’s SSDI Blue Book project (on hold for biking season): https://ninapaley.com/2025/05/31/illustrating-the-ssdi-blue-book/R.I.P. Nina’s cat Lola: https://ninapaley.com/2025/07/10/rest-in-peace-sweet-lola/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori speaks at the European Society for Child & Adolescent Psychiatry conference, then returns home to find degenerates everywhere. Meanwhile, Nina’s beloved cat dies. Cori calls out a “Protect the Dolls” campaign; Nina’s lungs improve. Cori has to clean up human feces in his yard; Nina wears a dress. Cori gets into pronatalism and blames Nina for western collapse; Nina sighs. Plus: pain au chocolat, lazy consonants, TSA shoes, cannabinoids, sanitariums, and yelling at clouds.Links:European Society for Child & Adolescent Psychiatry in Strasbourg https://www.escap.eu/events/escap-2025-congress-in-strasbourgPain au Chocolat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_au_chocolatTSA shoes: https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/travelers-will-no-longer-have-to-remove-their-shoes-for-tsa/article_c53fe231-d918-40e5-aa53-b7f0084e51ce.htmlOutCare - Protect the Dolls: https://mailchi.mp/outcarehealth/september-outtalk-6420697Dustin Nowaskie: https://www.outcarehealth.org/staff/dustin-nowaskie/Art Bell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_BellFTC Hearing: The Dangers of “Gender-Affirming Care” for Minors: https://www.ftc.gov/media/dangers-gender-affirming-care-minors?s=08 Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

On June 18 the Supreme Court of the United States ruled on US v. Skrmetti, deciding whether a Tennessee law prohibiting certain medical interventions on youngsters violates the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. The Hon. Elspeth Cypher (ret.) a.k.a. Judge TERF joins the Dorx to dissect the case, the decision, the concurrences, and the dissents. Which concurrence is best, Thomas’s or Barrett’s? Does Justice Sotomayor suffer from pathological empathy? If Skrmetti were a pasta, what type of sauce would be best on it? Plus Nina mis-sexes Chase Strangio (whoops!), Cori’s gender is Jewish, and Judge TERF solves the crisis in the Middle East.Links:US v. Skrmetti Decision, June 18 2025: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/23-477_2cp3.pdfJudging US v Skrmetti with Judge TERF, December 2024: https://heterodorx.substack.com/p/judging-us-v-skrmetti-with-judge-891Cori posts on Thomas’ concurrence: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1935380685490880949JD Vance tweets a screenshot of a post on Bluesky reposting Cori’s screenshot from Twitter (what?): https://x.com/JDVance/status/1935457852082016556How The Transgender Rights Movement Bet On The Supreme Court and Lost by Nicholas Confessore (NYT): https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/19/magazine/scotus-transgender-care-tennessee-skrmetti.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QE8.JUql.PEoYV35S-FVz&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShareOur episode on NYT podcast The Protocol: https://heterodorx.substack.com/p/episode-171-poop-and-protocolGlenna Goldis Bad Facts: https://badfacts.substack.com/Ilya Shapiro - Lawless: https://manhattan.institute/book/lawless-the-miseducation-of-americas-elitesWoLF: https://womensliberationfront.org/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

How old is Cori? Will the NYT podcast The Protocol change minds? Is there any competence in the Trump administration? Why is Nina’s cat pooping on the floor? These questions and more are asked, but not entirely answered, as we move in and out of the fetal position, name-drop various GC power players, and read aloud comments from another podcast’s subreddit.Important note: Cori is COMPLETELY WRONG about last week’s timeline: Nina wrote about her cat 2 days after we recorded last time. Is his muddled thinking a symptom of estrogen withdrawal, or turning 50? SO MANY QUESTIONSLinks:Pussy Whipped (Nina’s blog): https://blog.ninapaley.com/2025/06/07/pussy-whipped/Informed Dissent analysis of The Protocol: Part 1 Part 2: Missing from NYT's podcast THE PROTOCOL (Glenna Goldis on X): https://x.com/glennagoldis/status/1930969733748113531Elliot Page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_PageKinnon MacKinnon https://www.yorku.ca/positivechange/2022/06/24/kinnon-mackinnon/Dude Looks Like A Lady (Aerosmith):The comments we read from the Blocked & reported subReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BlockedAndReported/comments/1l1971t/comment/mwmctet/Credit Is Due (The Attribution Song): Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Young Generation (Cori) reaches out to the Old Generation (Nina) and exhibits patience while pretending to listen to geezer tales of things that go wrong with body parts and the SSDI Blue Book. Then we get into the hip, happenin’, swingin’ NOW with the latest news on gay martyrs, fake martyrs, and trans martyrs. Nina consents to Cori’s exposition on immigration, and somehow gets stuck comparing illiberal policy to her Junior High school cafeteria. Plus: tribal identities, Cori’s synagogue, lenses, spicy food, organ recitals, Title VII, cooling sheets, and a surprisingly out-of-character bathroom joke.Cori and Nina may not be equals, but they are co-hosts, which is about as close as we can get in this life.LinksSSDI Blue Book: https://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/AdultListings.htmhttps://blog.ninapaley.com/2025/05/31/illustrating-the-ssdi-blue-book/Jonathan Joss: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jonathan-joss-killing-police-records-neighbor-dispute-rcna210670Matthew Shepard: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/the-truth-behind-americas-most-famous-gay-hate-murder-matthew-shepard Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori is almost 50, and Nina is 57 going on 80. We discuss bronchiectasis, health hazards, witchcraft, hypertonic saline, nebulizers, oxygen monitors, IQ tests, lifesaving gender-denying healthcare, pulmonology, and being a delicate flower. Cori gives a speech, doesn’t quit his job, and asks: at what age did we become adults? Why was he kicked out of his mom’s house at age 17? How do you pronounce ‘syncytial’? Covid may have taken decades off Nina’s life, but this episode will take less than an hour off yours.Links:Cori’s speech: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1920583202114027686Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV): https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/respiratory-syncytial-virus/symptoms-causes/syc-20353098Nina’s illness art: https://blog.ninapaley.com/category/crohns/Maryn Cadell - The Pope Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

After several conversations about antidepressants, the Dorx welcome back pediatrician Dr. Julia Mason, who prescribes Selective Seretonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) to young people. Do we even know what these drugs do to developing brains? How do antidepressants compare with “gender-affirming care”? Does Barlean’s Fish Oil really taste like lemon custard? We also talk about myelnation, the distress of youth, the parasympathetic nervous system, neurotransmitters, immunosuppression, social costs and benefits of treatments, wildly swinging trends in medicine, unintended consequences, public schools, and the over-diagnoses of Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). Medical institutions have a lot to answer for, but at least we have Nampons for nosebleeds.Links:Nampons: https://nampons.com/SEGM: https://segm.org/about_usFeminist blogger with Crohn’s Disease: https://cannabisrefugeeesq.wordpress.com/2018/03/27/cannabis-refugee-esq/Nina on Prozac: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2025/02/08/back-on-zac/myelination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyelinationBarlean’s Fish Oil https://www.barleans.com/collections/fish-oils/products/seriously-delicious-omega-3-fish-oil-lemon-cremeListening to Prozac: https://www.peterdkramer.com/new-pageThe Noonday Demon: https://andrewsolomon.com/books/the-noonday-demon/Xeno’s Paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes#Dichotomy_paradoxJulia Mason on the Chain of Trust in Medicine:Hunter in a Farmer’s World by Thom Hartmann: https://www.hunterinafarmersworld.com/NYT: Have We Been Thinking About ADHD All Wrong? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/13/magazine/adhd-medication-treatment-research.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20250413&instance_id=152482&nl=the-morning&regi_id=58030095&segment_id=195907&user_id=a173f8835e89df3e22af711782032be9Jamie Reed also recommends Nampons: https://x.com/JamieWhistleOur 2023 Julia Mason interview: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-105-pediatric-disenchantment-with-julia-mason-md/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori is a hard-working corporate employee who dutifully contributes to America’s tax base. Nina is a low-income artist with Crohn’s Disease whose medical expenses make her a net parasite, despite also paying taxes. After a surprise performance of improvised music by soda-can virtuoso Cori, we discuss tariffs, security, Medicaid, FICA, “maxing out contributions,” Incidence of Taxation, employment benefits, monetary incentives, distortions, the Tragedy of the Commons, suckers, rationalizations, population collapse/explosion, and episodic disability. Is art, work? How hard is it to be poor? Can air be privatized? Like Life itself, our tax/benefits system isn’t fair, and it cannot go on forever. So a big Thank You to all American taxpayers who support unproductive, under-productive, post-productive, and ill members of society like your show-notes writer.Links:Leta Boylan testimonyTerminator 2: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/Tragedy of the Commons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commonsThe Economist on more people claiming entitlements: https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/04/02/the-tyranny-of-tiktokkers-who-turn-up Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori travels from statehouse to statehouse to testify against the worst excesses of gender ideology, while Nina gets sick for a month and loses her voice and relevance. Cori shares news from New Hampshire, where heterodox Democrat Jonah Wheeler is subject to a struggle session; Nina shares about watching television and playing Lexulous. Our lives couldn’t be more different, but we come back together to argue about AI art, neurodivergence, diagnosis skepticism, the attention economy, and ice cream. Our new slogan is “Bring Back Retardation!” and we’re doing our part.LinksJonah Wheeler breaks ranks with Democrats: https://x.com/Sidewalk_Steve/status/1902818393373413728Jonah Wheeler struggle/listening session:Cones ice cream (closed): https://www.yelp.com/biz/cones-artisanal-ice-cream-new-yorkWinter, a trans kid: https://x.com/LGBCourage/status/1899180045870010722Yarden Silveira: https://www.city-journal.org/article/yarden-silveira-death-transgender-surgery-complications?utm_source=virtuous&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cjdailyAsh Hall: https://www.aclutx.org/en/biographies/ash-hallOvarit shutting down: https://ovarit.com/o/Announcements/676340/ovarit-is-closingSeverance: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11280740/Autism self-diagnosis: https://x.com/buttonslives/status/1906851869106082120B******t Jobs by David Graeber: https://cominsitu.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/david-graeber-b******t-jobs-a-theory-1.pdfepisodic disability: https://episodicdisabilities.ca/home.phpYou Be Illin’ - RUN DMC: Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The hosts dive into whether we’ve won the gender wars yet, unearthing questions about identity, journalism, and societal norms. They tackle weak arguments, bad pronouns, and the complexities of gender identity discourse. Humorous interludes include pet care struggles and chocolate flavor experiments. A deeper discussion reveals tensions within the LGBTQ+ community and highlights the nuances of liberalism versus authoritarianism. Expect laughter and poignant reflections on rights, identity, and societal shifts.