

Living with Heart: From Birth to Death
Dr. Chip Dodd & Bryan Barley
Dr. Chip Dodd’s ”The Voice of the Heart” is one of the seminal and most practically impactful books of the last several decades in the counseling, coaching, and mentorship space. In ”Living with Heart,” Dr. Dodd joins co-host, Bryan Barley, to discuss with greater depth, detail, and practicality how to live with heart through the entire journey of life - from birth to death.
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Oct 7, 2025 • 26min
88 - Parenting with Heart: Parenting and the Four Realities
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The "Living with Heart" Podcast is brought to you by Chip Dodd Resources (www.chipdodd.com) and The Voice of the Heart Center (vothcenter.com). You can connect with Dr. Chip Dodd at chip@chipdodd.com. Contact Bryan Barley for coaching at bryan@vothcenter.com.
2 Helpful resources along the parenting journey:
Link to 8 Feelings for Children Chart
How Are You Feeling Today
Four realities that no one will defeat, this side of heaven.
The best we ever get at living is clumsy.
No one can become perfect, even though we carry a picture of it in our hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 (NIV) says, “He has set eternity in the human heart.” No matter our determination or information, we humans will always have to struggle with mistakes and sin.
We have to live on life’s terms, not our terms.
Death and the unpredictable are a part of this life. We cannot know the future. We are dependent upon our need of each other and God. If we do not face, feel, and deal well with our neediness in a healthy way, we will become defended against the pains that come with love. No one can change or defeat this fact about life. If we don’t learn how to need others and God, it increases the negative consequences we don’t want for ourselves or those we love.
Everything in life is practice.
Doctors are practicing, and lawyers are practicing. Parents are also practicing, as are children. We are not works of perfection. We have to keep learning and risking without knowing all of the outcomes. We are in this life together; the more proactive everyone is in helping each other practice living fully and loving deeply, the better the outcomes.
It takes a lifetime to learn how to live.
Whether we are eight, twenty-eight, or eighty, we are still asking many of the same questions throughout our lives, like, “When will we get there?” “How much will it hurt?” or “Will you be there to get me?” No one has all the answers to life. We have to keep learning how to live, even as we gain wisdom about doing so, hopefully. There is not a destination of “having it all together.”
We are all works in progress.
Rather than the facts of reality defeating us, they can actually give us permission to gain more humility.
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Sep 30, 2025 • 39min
87 - Parenting with Heart: How to Help Our Kids around Cultural Tragedy
The "Living with Heart" Podcast is brought to you by Chip Dodd Resources (www.chipdodd.com) and The Voice of the Heart Center (vothcenter.com). You can connect with Dr. Chip Dodd at chip@chipdodd.com. Contact Bryan Barley for coaching at bryan@vothcenter.com.

Sep 23, 2025 • 21min
86 - Parenting with Heart: Big Results from Simple Actions
Discover how simple actions can lead to profound changes in parenting and leadership. Learn 11 practical responsibilities that foster cooperation and accountability within families. The hosts explore how environments can encourage responsibility, drawing on examples like Disney's design. Understand the importance of balancing tolerance with accountability, especially during the challenging adolescent years. They emphasize patience in guiding children, celebrating failures as opportunities for growth, and the significant impact of these small, consistent behaviors.

Sep 16, 2025 • 33min
Season 8: Episode 85 - Parenting with Heart: The Four Responsibilities of a Parent
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The "Living with Heart" Podcast is brought to you by Chip Dodd Resources (www.chipdodd.com) and The Voice of the Heart Center (vothcenter.com). You can connect with Dr. Chip Dodd at chip@chipdodd.com. Contact Bryan Barley for coaching at bryan@vothcenter.com.
Parenting is the focus of this season on “Living with Heart: From Birth to Death.”
Some of the content of the following episodes connects to the book,
Parenting with Heart by Stephen James and Chip Dodd.
Parenting with heart is more about the parents than the children:
Parents know their own hearts’ feelings and needs.
Parents remember the struggles of being a child and the fullness of hope and imagination before “reality” tends to tarnish both hope and imagination.
Parents not only perform the great duties of providing and protecting; they are able to remain emotionally relatable.
Parents know that they themselves are only older, “growing up” versions of a child.
Parents are emotionally present as they continue to perform the tasks of love.
Parents face the reality that the best outcomes and greatest hopes still will be riddled with clumsiness, mistakes, and regrets, but continues to persevere with heart.
Parenting with heart is for young parents and grandparents, “failed” parents and “successful” parents, and couples who desire to be parents, but has nothing to do with the “perfect” parent.
The “perfect” parent checks a list to see if they have fulfilled some magical formula that guarantees “perfect” children who never mess up and never have to face pain.
“Perfect” parents attempt to produce an outcome that is for their own self-images.
Children want parents who can relate to the struggles and joys of being a child; they want parents who know the feelings of living and the needs that come with living.
Children also desire their parents to know how to face, feel, and deal with struggles, as they seek the joys of life.
Children do not actually want a perfect parent; they want a relatable, human parent who takes a long view of life.
It takes a lifetime to learn how to live:
Children need parents who know this truth, and this truth creates great tolerance for a child’s struggles.
A child just simply wants a “good enough” parent, a human parent who needs others and God, the same way a child needs them and God.
Two responsibilities of a parent:
Parents need to help their children “climb the mountain of their dreams.”
Parents need to help their children “hold the flag brave and true.”
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Sep 9, 2025 • 39min
84 - Keeping Heart: The Equation for the Gifts of Feelings
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The "Living with Heart" Podcast is brought to you by Chip Dodd Resources (www.chipdodd.com) and The Voice of the Heart Center (vothcenter.com). You can connect with Dr. Chip Dodd at chip@chipdodd.com. Contact Bryan Barley for coaching at bryan@vothcenter.com.
Keeping Heart, a book by Dr Chip Dodd, is written in short sections that are self-contained as specific pieces. Each section focuses on a dimension of living fully, loving deeply, and leading well a life that leaves a legacy of goodness.
Please visit chipdodd.com to download a free resource of the “Feelings/Needs Chart.”
The chart integrates the essentials of The Voice of the Heart and Needs of the Heart that leads to experiencing the Gifts of the Heart.
The Equation for the Gifts of the Feelings
By practicing the equation, we can live fully; we can love deeply; we can lead well.
By practicing the equation, we discover that core feelings lead to genuine relational needs, which move us to admitting the desire of our hearts, as well as our longings and hope.
Feelings > Needs > Desire > Longings > Hope, as explored in Episode #80 and Episode #81.
The equation requires courage, that is, bringing your heart to who and what matters to you.
WILLINGNESS + PATIENCE + WORK + TIME = GIFTS
Willingness: Willingness is the courageous energy of allowing your heart to be given over to hoping again. Hope has become dangerous to many of us because of past experiences that turned out very differently than what we had hoped. Taking the risk of hoping again is fearful. We need help in risking hope, but we must take the risk if we are to experience new, better, or improved outcomes. Running from hope makes us sick.
Patience: Patience is ability to persevere amidst the struggle that comes with your desire to live fully. Patience literally means, “burden of hope.” So often what we seek and what we desire requires the ability to wait—to delay gratification—as we continue to move towards fulfillment. Waiting means that we continue to hope even though it is painful. Waiting requires feeling and needing, and means that our hearts carry the “burden of hope,” as we persevere, with the encouragement of others and faith in God.
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Sep 2, 2025 • 33min
83 - Keeping Heart: Love's Demand (Part 2)
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The "Living with Heart" Podcast is brought to you by Chip Dodd Resources (www.chipdodd.com) and The Voice of the Heart Center (vothcenter.com). You can connect with Dr. Chip Dodd at chip@chipdodd.com. Contact Bryan Barley for coaching at bryan@vothcenter.com.
Keeping Heart, by Dr Chip Dodd is written in short sections; each section focuses on some dimension of living fully, loving deeply, and leading well a life that leaves a legacy of goodness. It can be used as a daily form of orienting yourself for the day ahead of you or a book to read cover to cover.
Visit chipdodd.com to download a free resource of the “Feelings/Needs Chart.” It integrates the essentials of The Voice of the Heart and Needs of the Heart that lead to the experience of the Gifts of the Heart.
On page 23 of Keeping Heart, there is a sentence that shows the dark side of avoiding love’s requirements:
“Avoiding love’s demand, though, requires that we hide our hearts, and, therefore, remove ourselves from living this life.”
Contact is not connection
We experience a vast array of what we call “connections” through all forms of technology that has given us the internet and its multiple forms of social media that offers the illusion of “connection.” We call it “interconnected.”
However, it does not actually give what it says. We are “inter-contacted,” not actually connected.
There are multiple forms of contact, but we still remain disconnected from each other, and even ourselves.
Sadly, loneliness and relational isolation are two of the most talked about forms of misery in our society today, even though we have more pervasive contact than ever before in the history of humanity.
When Caesar connected the Roman Empire with roads, it led to people groups being connected—for better or worse. The technology of today is not a road to connect us. It is the technology that actually keeps us from “facing each other,” which is where genuine connection begins.
Contact is like watching a movie. In a movie, we experience life vicariously, which means “not really in it.” Even more, if we watch it alone, we experience life vicariously in isolation. We do not share a lived experience in reality
True connection is a shared experience in reality.
Contact does not feed the heart. Connection feeds the heart.
Connection requires that a person shares the experiences of their emotional and spiritual lives with another who is capable of doing the same.
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Aug 26, 2025 • 35min
82 - Keeping Heart: Love's Demand (Part 1)
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The "Living with Heart" Podcast is brought to you by Chip Dodd Resources (www.chipdodd.com) and The Voice of the Heart Center (vothcenter.com). You can connect with Dr. Chip Dodd at chip@chipdodd.com. Contact Bryan Barley for coaching at bryan@vothcenter.com.
Keeping Heart, by Dr Chip Dodd is written in short sections; each section focuses on some dimension of living fully, loving deeply, and leading well a life that leaves a legacy of goodness. It can be used as a daily form of orienting yourself for the day ahead of you or a book to read cover to cover.
Visit chipdodd.com to download a free resource that describes The Spiritual Root System. This resource identifies each “root” of how we are created as feeling, needing, desiring, longing, hoping people who seek to live fully in relationship with ourselves, with others, and with God.
A path not a pill
So often, people offer a “pill” (metaphorically or literally) to a person who is struggling with life’s difficulties. The struggle could be anxiety, depression, or addiction. Most people, however, need a path instead of a “pill.”
This podcast is part of the path we are created to walk in life’s struggles.
The Voice of the Heart, Needs of the Heart, and Keeping Heart, also, are part of the path.
This podcast and the books speak to the need for relationship and its power to help and heal us through relational connection.
Communion connects to community
We quickly think of communion as a religious experience only. It also means to share; it is where we get the word community and communication.
We are created to be in communion with each other—a group of people who share the truth of their hearts.
In Genesis 2:18, God declared for the first time that something was “not good.” This declaration clearly made reference to a man and a woman. It also speaks to how we are created for fellowship; the fellowship of truth telling about our struggles and celebrations that connect us to each other.
Then the LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone.
I will make him a helper suitable for him.”
Genesis 2:18 (NIV)
When Adam & Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, they not only hid their physical bodies, they also hid their hearts from God. In the cool of the day, God comes to His creation and asks them, “Where are you?” (Genesis 3:9) This phrase in Hebrew is “ayeka” which is a lament and a question.
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Aug 19, 2025 • 40min
81 - Keeping Heart: Be, Do, Have
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The "Living with Heart" Podcast is brought to you by Chip Dodd Resources (www.chipdodd.com) and The Voice of the Heart Center (vothcenter.com). You can connect with Dr. Chip Dodd at chip@chipdodd.com. Contact Bryan Barley for coaching at bryan@vothcenter.com.
Keeping Heart, by Dr Chip Dodd is written in short sections; each section focuses on some dimension of living fully, loving deeply, and leading well a life that leaves a legacy of goodness. It can be used as a daily form of orienting yourself for the day ahead of you or a book to read cover to cover.
Visit chipdodd.com to download a free resource that describes The Spiritual Root System. This resource identifies each “root” of how we are created as feeling, needing, desiring, longing, hoping people who seek to live fully in relationship with ourselves, with others, and with God.
To read a short encapsulation of episode #81, go to pages 28-29 of Keeping Heart.
We are created to BE, DO, and HAVE
In order to live fully, love deeply, and lead well lives that leave behind good legacy, we must:
admit that we don’t control how life works.
we don’t have power to change how we are created as relational creatures.
We only find fulfillment by living fully in relationship with
ourselves
others
God
(The Voice of the Heart by Chip Dodd)
Surrendering to the process of how we are created occurs through three developmental movements:
Being - who we are created to be as relational creatures. We are created 99.9% like everyone else on an emotional and spiritual level. We seek connection through feeling, needing, desiring, longing, and hoping. We are created to respond to life accordingly.
Doing - what we are created to do by participating in the actions of producing, shaping, making and caring about creating “good.” We take action in daily life by using our internal awareness; we are “response-able.”
Having - what we are created to experience if we live according to how we are created. We have relationships, connection, provision, bounty, and prosperity. We risk giving ourselves to and attaining the experiences of life that create relational and experiential fulfillments.
Be-Do-Have vs Do-Have-Become
If a person is raised in an environment that diminishes his/her essential makeup and places too much emphasis on performance in order to be accepted, the person’s worth becomes wrapped up in the constant need for approval of others and in competition with others.
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Aug 12, 2025 • 42min
80 - Keeping Heart: The Spiritual Root System (Part 2)
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The "Living with Heart" Podcast is brought to you by Chip Dodd Resources (www.chipdodd.com) and The Voice of the Heart Center (vothcenter.com). You can connect with Dr. Chip Dodd at chip@chipdodd.com. Contact Bryan Barley for coaching at bryan@vothcenter.com.
Keeping Heart by Dr Chip Dodd is written in short sections. Each section focuses on some dimension of living fully, loving deeply, and leading well a life that leaves a legacy of goodness. It can be used as a daily form of orienting yourself for the day ahead of you or a book to read cover to cover.
Please visit chipdodd.com to download the free resource, The Spiritual Root System. This resource describes and illustrates the specifics of each “root” of how we are created as feeling, needing, desiring, longing, hoping people who seek to live fully in relationship with ourselves, with others, and with God.
Spiritual Rot System (SRS) = Feelings - Needs - Desire - Longings - Hope
Basic premise of The Spiritual Root System:
Feed the roots of a tree, it will grow to produce much fruit.
Moving the metaphor to human behavior, a child reaches out to be affirmed as belonging and mattering by connecting to his/her caregivers.
The need to belong and matter is met by his/her caregiver responding by reaching back and affirming and attending to the child’s heart, made up of feelings, needs, desire, longings, and hope.
This process grows the child’s confidence in being created as a feeling, needing, desiring, longing, and hoping creature.
Through the confidence of being able to depend on connection, the child grows into a competent human being, who can use his/her mind to express their heart’s makeup as they grow into their giftedness.
Every human being is gifted and the world is in need of the “fruits” of those developed gifts.
Understanding the connections of the roots:
Reading the “roots” from left to right:
Feelings awaken a person to needs.
Needs connect to desire within the heart
Desire moves a person to longings
Longings draw a person toward hope.
Hope will return a person to feelings; hope is wishing or planning to achieve something a person doesn’t know for sure will happen. Hope requires the action of risk, which circles back to the need to deal with feelings.
The Voice of the Heart and Needs of the Heart offer specific details about The Spiritual Root System, as does this podcast Living with Heart: From Birth to Death.
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Aug 5, 2025 • 44min
Season 7: Episode 79 - Keeping Heart: The Spiritual Root System (Part 1)
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The "Living with Heart" Podcast is brought to you by Chip Dodd Resources (www.chipdodd.com) and The Voice of the Heart Center (vothcenter.com). You can connect with Dr. Chip Dodd at chip@chipdodd.com. Contact Bryan Barley for coaching at bryan@vothcenter.com.
Keeping Heart by Dr Chip Dodd is written in short sections. Each section focuses on some dimension of living fully, loving deeply, and leading well a life that leaves a legacy of goodness. It can be used as a daily form of orienting yourself for the day ahead of you or a book to read cover to cover.
Please visit chipdodd.com to download the free resource, The Spiritual Root System. This resource describes and illustrates the specifics of each “root” of how we are created as feeling, needing, desiring, longing, hoping people who seek to live fully in relationship with ourselves, with others, and with God.
The Spiritual Root System (SRS) explains:
When we “feed” the “roots” of how we are created, we will grow the “fruits” of a full life, one that blesses one’s self and others.
We feed the roots through relationship. That is the most complete nutritional support for human beings.
The nutritional support encourages us to “keep heart” amidst an exhausting pace that can wear us out, drain us, and lead us to experience the discouragement of “losing heart
Spiritual Root System = Feelings - Needs - Desire - Longings - Hope
Feelings awaken us to being fully alive, and they push us toward our needs.
If I feel, I will need.
For example:
When a person is sad about a loss, they often need comfort, or they need a listening person in their lives to help them.
When a person is fearful about some difficulty or danger, they often need help to deal with a challenge, or they need to be rescued from a danger.
The identification of feelings, leads to the needs of others and God.
Having needs lead a person to communicate their desire. Desire moves a person to ask for some form of connection that brings them to greater capabilities of living fully and loving deeply, even when life hurts.
The book Needs of the Heart describes the many essential emotional and spiritual needs that we are created to have met through expressing them.
Desire expresses the inborn energy of our craving to survive and even more, to thrive. We desire survival, of course, but we were created for more. We were born to crave a level of fulfillment that we can numb or deny; however, it still remains a part of how we are created.
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