

Talking Tokens
Jacquelyn Melinek, Token Relations
Talking Tokens is a podcast focused on interviewing the best crypto leaders, startups, market players and up-and-coming founders that are changing the industry.
Join Jacquelyn Melinek, an award-nominated host and seasoned crypto journalist-turned-entrepreneur, to dive into the best talks in crypto in an easy-to-understand way.
The episodes will air every Tuesday and Thursday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, X and more.
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Join Jacquelyn Melinek, an award-nominated host and seasoned crypto journalist-turned-entrepreneur, to dive into the best talks in crypto in an easy-to-understand way.
The episodes will air every Tuesday and Thursday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, X and more.
For more updates, subscribe to the Talking Tokens newsletter here: https://talkingtokens.beehiiv.com/
Follow us on X: https://twitter.com/_TalkingTokens
Episodes
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Jan 28, 2025 • 48min
Ilja Moisejevs & Richard Wu | How Tensor Pivoted its Entire Business and 10x'd Revenue with Vector
On today’s Talking Tokens episode, Jacquelyn sat down with Ilja Moisejevs and Richard Wu, the co-founders of Tensor and Vector. They discuss what it takes to build breakout consumer apps that people want to use, why they pivoted to Vector and how it’s bringing a social aspect to trading, their founder journey, wins, mistakes, lessons and more.
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Vector is invite-only right now, but we have a code for the first 500 people who use it. Download the app via https://vec.fun/download and use Talking Token's invite code: token. Note: this episode is not sponsored by Vector, we just want to provide cool apps to our audience.
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Jan 23, 2025 • 53min
Ogle | Trump’s Crypto Project Advisor Talks $TRUMP, Security, Hackers & Glue
On today’s Talking Tokens episode, Jacquelyn sat down with Ogle, co-founder of Glue and advisor to World Liberty Financial. Ogle is also an onchain sleuth that has helped exploited, or hacked, projects recoverover $500 million – all pro bono. We talk about what’s important when it comes to crypto security and projects, chains and users protecting themselves. We also discuss his advisory work on the Trump-backed World Liberty Financial project, what it’s like working with some of the Trump family members, and what may be in store for the project, as well as the $TRUMP and $MELANIA memecoins. We also dive into the Glue blockchain and how it audits every project in an effort to prioritize security onchain.
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Jan 21, 2025 • 46min
Avery Ching | Aptos New CEO Shares 2025 Outlook
Today’s guest is Avery Ching, the co-founder and CEO of Aptos Labs. This episode is a part of the quarterly webinars that Token Relations does with Aptos - so it was fun to catch up again with Avery, a few months after they last spoke in Seoul during Aptos Experience. They discuss what Avery hopes to accomplish in his first year as CEO, ecosystem growth for the network in 2025, DeFi opportunities onchain, his long term Aptos outlook and more.
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Jan 16, 2025 • 50min
Qiao Wang | How To Build A Great Crypto Startup
On today’s Talking Tokens episode, Jacquelyn sat down with Qiao Wang, founding member of Alliance, a web3 accelerator program. Qiao came on the show back in May – but a lot has changed since then. They discuss how Alliance looks for breakout startups, Pump.fun’s journey to hitting $100M revenue in 6 months and what makes a great crypto founder – and investor. Qiao also shared his thoughts on the current crypto x AI landscape, 2025 market predictions and why founders should play the “long game.”
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On today’s Talking Tokens episode, Jacquelyn sat down with Qiao Wang, founding member of Alliance, a web3 accelerator program. Qiao came on the show back in May – but a lot has changed since then. They discuss how Alliance looks for breakout startups, Pump.fun’s journey to hitting $100M revenue in 6 months and what makes a great crypto founder – and investor. Qiao also shared his thoughts on the current crypto x AI landscape, 2025 market predictions and why founders should play the “long game.”
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Jan 14, 2025 • 48min
Sam McIngvale | Optimism Q1 Update: Superchain's 2025 Roadmap
For this week’s Tuesday episode, we’re sharing the Optimism Quarterly Webinar that Jacquelyn hosted with OP Labs Head of Product Sam McIngvale. This conversation dives into new UI/UX possibilities and innovations that are coming to Ethereum for developers and users through L2 chains — like the 40+ chains within the Superchain ecosystem. They discussed the Superchain’s 2025 product roadmap, which includes integrating better native interoperability, SuperchainERC20, Ethereum’s upcoming Pectra Upgrade, block times, and more.
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Jan 9, 2025 • 51min
Avalanche Q1 Update | Avalanche9000 Upgrade: Impact on Developers, Users, & The Ecosystem
On today’s Talking Tokens episode, we are airing the Avalanche Quarterly Webinar that Jacquelyn hosted live earlier this week with three Ava Labs Engineers Stephen Buttolph, Aaron Buckwald and Michael Kaplan. The panel discussion focused on Avalanche9000, the network’s largest upgrade to date that went live in mid December. They also talked about what it means for the Avalanche ecosystem, developers and users as well as the types of projects they’re interested in seeing built on the blockchain, plans to scale in 2025 and more.
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Jan 7, 2025 • 38min
Michael Heinrich | Why AI Agents Will Change Everything
On today’s Talking Tokens episode, Jacquelyn interviewed Michael Heinrich, co-founder of Zero Gravity Labs, also known as 0G Labs. Zero Gravity Labs is building a decentralized AI Operating System (dAIOS) and has over 200 investors across its $40 million seed round and $35 million pre-seed round. Jacquelyn and Michael discuss into the importance of creating decentralized AI systems, the popularity of AI Agents and how they can change the way society interacts with the technology, growth opportunities for AI x crypto in 2025 and more.
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Jan 2, 2025 • 38min
Julian Holguin | Doodles Is Making NFTs Mainstream
On today’s Talking Tokens episode, Jacquelyn sat down with Julian Holguin, CEO of Doodles. We discuss how Julian transitioned from being the president at Billboard to CEO of Doodles, the NFT collection expanding its brand beyond crypto and creating valuable partnerships with companies like McDonalds, Crocs, Adidas and more.
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Dec 31, 2024 • 41min
Mike Giampapa | What’s Next for Crypto in 2025? Payments, Investments, & Beyond
On today’s Talking Tokens episode, Jacquelyn sat down with Mike Giampapa, general partner at Galaxy Ventures. They talked about crypto payments, emerging opportunities in different regions, what he’s watching as an investor and his outlook for 2025.
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Dec 19, 2024 • 42min
Nicolas Pouard | How Ubisoft Is Shaping The Future of Web3 Gaming
On today’s Talking Tokens episode, Jacquelyn interviewed Nicolas Pouard, VP of Ubisoft’s Strategic Innovation Lab. Ubisoft is one of the largest video game publishers that created Assassin’s Creed, Just Dance and many other games. It has forayed into the web3 gaming space and Nicolas is one of the individuals internally helping expand operations on that front. We talk about Ubisoft’s crypto gaming strategy, appealing to mainstream gamers, how it overcame previous web3 failures from the last market cycle and more.
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NOTE: There will be no podcasts coming out on December 24 or 26 as we take a brief holiday break. If you’re celebrating, we wish you an early Merry Christmas! And don’t worry, we’ll be rolling out episodes again on NYE and into the New Year.
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