
Economics for Rebels
The world is on fire. We have to radically and rapidly transform every aspect of society to stay within 1.5 degrees of global warming. How is this possible? And how do we do this in a way that is fair? Ecological economists integrating ecological and critical social perspectives have long been working on ideas to bring about just sustainability transformations. This podcast aims at communicating these ideas in order to open them to critical discussion, from global problems to people’s everyday lives.
Latest episodes

Mar 25, 2024 • 42min
Holding Big Oil responsible through climate litigation
Dr. Benjamin Franta discusses climate litigation, holding big oil accountable, historical responsibility, and the challenges of proving moral culpability. The podcast delves into the transition from physics to climate change activism, legal ramifications for big oil, and the difficulties in holding asset managers accountable for investments. Future forecasts include nature and cultural rights litigation against companies for climate damages.

Mar 11, 2024 • 40min
Addicted to Growth - Robert Costanza
Ecological economist Robert Costanza discusses societal addiction to economic growth in 'Addicted to Growth'. The podcast explores the analogy of addiction, the stages of dealing with addiction, and the need for collective vision based on sustainable principles. It delves into behavior change, creating shared visions for a sustainable future, and alternative decision-making methods like deliberative democracy and sociocracy.

Feb 26, 2024 • 39min
Employment and work in a postgrowth world - Ben Gallant
Some key mainstream critiques of postgrowth economics revolve around labour, and what the labour market would look like in a postgrowth economy, with the common perception being that economic contraction tends to be associated with unemployment, and therefore that a postgrowth economy is socially unsustainable. But, if we are to transition to a postgrowth
world for ecological reasons or because of secular stagnation, ecological economics needs to present a compelling story about what people’s jobs and lives could look like in this world. This episode’s guest Dr Ben Gallant is an expert in understanding and modelling postgrowth futures for the labour force, here to guide us through what employment in a postgrowth economy could look like. Hosted by Sophus zu Ermgassen. Edited by Aidan Knox.

Feb 14, 2024 • 39min
Fooling ourselves while burning our trees? - Mary Booth
Over the last decades, burning wood for energy has expanded in the EU, as have proposals for implementing Bioenergy with Carbon Capture and Storage (BECCS). The origins of this questionable boom can be found in accounting loopholes, which allow burning woody biomass to be classed as carbon neutral
and BECCS as carbon negative. Based on these loopholes and large lobby power, (woody) biomass has received generous subsidies and been counted towards renewable energy targets in the EU. A large international supply chain has developed, with wood pellets being shipped all the way from forests in the U.S.
Southeast to generate energy in the EU. In this episode, we
discuss all these issues with ecologist Dr. Mary Booth, founder and director of the Partnership for Policy Integrity (PFPI). PFPI is a small non-profit organisation in the US working on forest biomass, energy, and climate issues. Hosted by Matilda Susan Gettins. Edited by Aidan Knox.

Jan 11, 2024 • 33min
Where can science and policy making meet? - Eszter Kelemen
Eszter Kelemen discusses challenges in science-policy interface for environmental policy. Topics include inclusive participation, power dynamics, resource disparities, suggestions for improvement, and embracing continuous learning.

Dec 20, 2023 • 43min
Biosphere defenders - Claudia Ituarte-Lima
Ecological economics has a long tradition of disputing the mainstream economic view that people’s concern for the environment scales with income, and that it’s a luxury good. The main counterargument is the widespread evidence on environmental justice conflicts, encapsulated by what Joan Martinez-Alier called the ‘environmentalism of the poor’. Today, we focus on the role and importance of people working on the front lines of environmental degradation – biosphere defenders. Our guest today is Dr Claudia Ituarte-Lima. Hosted by Sophus zu Ermgassen. Edited by Aidan Knox.

Dec 5, 2023 • 35min
Trading irresponsibility: turning environmental policies into gambling casinos - Frederic Hache
When we say, “Money cannot buy conscience”, in today’s economy, we could not be further from the truth. Our current economy can turn absolutely anything into financial assets. Even irresponsible behaviour. A company that is incapable of reducing its carbon emission can just buy carbon credits and continue business-as-usual. Another that is about to ruin a habitat can offset its wrongdoing by paying money to someone else to save another habitat somewhere else. While these solutions may make bad behaviour slightly more costly, they do not stop them. Moreover, they contribute significantly to neocolonialism. Today’s guest, Frederic Hache explains us how these nature markets work and how they turn environmental policies into gambling casinos.

Nov 15, 2023 • 38min
Should countries pay for their climate debt?
Andrew Fanning and Jason Hickel discuss climate reparation payments and inequalities in carbon emissions. They explore quantifying compensation for decarbonization, philosophical aspects of climate debt, overpopulation and overconsumption debate, and rebellion against current economic views. The podcast challenges traditional economic perspectives for just and sustainable transformations in the climate crisis.

Oct 30, 2023 • 49min
Why will technology not save our souls? – Timothée Parrique
The myth of green growth surrounds us wherever we look. Eco-modernisation’s promise that technological fixes will provide us with the efficiency we need to decouple environmental burdens from economic growth suggests that business-as-usual can continue. Today’s guest Timothée Parrique is the best to explain why this is not happening and why relying solely on technological solutions is like betting on green zero in roulette. Hosted by Alexandra Köves. Edited by Aidan Knox.

Oct 17, 2023 • 38min
How governments can develop the capabilities to solve the 21st century’s sustainability challenges - Rosie Collington
Rosie Collington discusses the decline of state ambition in addressing sustainability challenges. She explores the impact of consulting firms on government functions, emphasizing the need to rebuild state capacity for green transitions. The episode also touches on academia's role in demystifying ideas for sustainability solutions.