
The Memory Hole Podcast
A look back at the mental health crisis known as the Recovered Memory Movement of the late 1980's and early 90's, from the perspective of a bystander.
The podcast is 6-episodes in length and deals with a mature subject. It is not appropriate for children and some adults.
Complete show notes can be found at www.memoryholepodcast.com
Do you have an experience from the recovered memory movement you'd like to share? You can leave a voicemail at 1-612-888-3742, which may be used in a future episode.
Latest episodes

Jun 2, 2025 • 42min
S2. EP.5 Fictional Memories: Past, Present, and Future
Nicholas Dames, a Columbia University humanities professor and author of *Amnestic Selves*, joins Dan Chaon, renowned for his novel *Ill Will*, to delve into the intricate dance of memory in fiction. They discuss how nostalgia has evolved from a clinical condition to a tool for personal growth, highlighting literary portrayals, especially by Jane Austen. The duo explores memory's fallibility, particularly in the face of trauma and identity, and emphasizes how storytelling shapes our emotional narratives and perceptions of the past.

May 18, 2025 • 28min
S2.EP4. The Mirage of the Zeitgeist
Katie Roiphe, an esteemed author and journalist, delves into the intricate connections between trauma and storytelling. She discusses the haunting narratives of childhood sexual abuse in fiction, particularly through 'Twin Peaks' and 'The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer.' Roiphe critiques how societal clichés around victimhood can overshadow genuine psychological insights. Additionally, she explores how the zeitgeist influences storytelling, shaping our cultural memory and identity in profound ways. This thought-provoking conversation challenges listeners to rethink the complexities of trauma narratives.

Apr 29, 2025 • 36min
S2. EP3. In Search of Lost Time; Memoirs and Memory
In this engaging discussion, Kate St. Vincent Vogl, a memoirist and writing instructor, teams up with Patrick Bray, a French literature professor at University College London. They tackle the intricate art of memoir writing, exploring how personal memories shape narratives and the challenges of portraying trauma. The conversation dives into Proust's insights on involuntary memory and the powerful connection between sensory experiences and identity. Their insights reveal the emotional depths tied to memory, offering a fresh perspective on personal storytelling.

Apr 21, 2025 • 33min
S2. EP2. Remember the Memory, Solve the Crime
Andromeda Romano-Lax, an author and educator known for her suspense novels and insights on writing, dives into the intriguing connections between memory and mystery. She discusses how the genre reflects psychological theories, highlighting early works like Wilkie Collins' 'The Moonstone.' The conversation also explores unreliable narrators in modern thrillers and their role in shaping reader perceptions. Additionally, Andromeda examines the cultural impact of media on memory and how literary representations influence our understanding of trauma and dementia.

Apr 14, 2025 • 23min
S2. EP1. Tell Me A Story
Reflecting on how fiction often conveys deeper empathy than self-help books, the discussion uncovers memory's complex role in narratives. It critiques the inaccuracies of amnesia in psychological thrillers and explores iconic films like The Bourne Identity and Memento, showcasing how memory loss enriches stories. The podcast challenges perceptions of repression, pondering its cultural significance and the influence of Freud's theories. Join a fascinating journey into the narrative power of memory and our understanding of storytelling.

Mar 30, 2025 • 3min
Trailer for Season 2
In this intriguing trailer, authors Andromeda Romano-Lax and Kat Rosenfield dive into the fascinating interplay of memory and storytelling. They explore the emotional depths of forgotten moments, using the metaphor of missing hours to illustrate how narratives are shaped and manipulated. Prepare for a season filled with thought-provoking insights on the nature of memory within fiction.

Nov 1, 2023 • 41min
Ep. 6: What did we learn?
Show notes for Episode 6:
Carrie Poppy
https://maximumfun.org/about/team/carrie-poppy/
Historian Edward Shorter
From Paralysis to Fatigue; a history of psychosomatic illness in the modern era
Idioms of distress
https://www.brightfutures.org/concerns/culture/cultural-concepts.html
Article in The Cut:
The Memory War; Jennifer Freyd accused her father of sexual abuse. Her parents’ attempt to discredit her created a defense for countless sex offenders.
Carrie’s response: The Letters New York Magazine Hasn’t Printed.
Meredith Maran
Interview 5/23/2023
My Lie; A True Story of False Memory
Forward to the second edition Diana Russell’s book, The Secret Trauma, published in 1999.
https://www.dianarussell.com/the_great_incest_war.html
Cover art collage by Jena Martin, using Solitude by Frederick Leighton 1890

Oct 22, 2023 • 35min
Ep. 5: Forget Me Not; how we don't remember
Opening: The Confessions of St. Augustine, AD 401
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3296/3296-h/3296-h.htm
Interviews:
Dr. Henry Otgaar
Personal Website
Maastricht University
Interview 9/21/2023
Dr. Sophie Scott
The Brain: 10 things you should know
X/Twitter
Interview 9/22/2023
Mentions:
Bart Simpson: Oh boy, time to repress another memory
Season 14, Episode 17
Dr. Scott mentions the 'Lost in the Mall' study
Context: https://wellcomecollection.org/articles/XQze2hIAAGYP8ckl
Beyond Lost in the Mall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOpMhYGPajU
Explaining memories in the movie Inside Out - where they went wrong:
https://theconversation.com/does-pixars-inside-out-show-how-memory-actually-works-43311
Cover art collage featuring Mnemosyne, also titled Lamp of Memory and Ricordanza.
Dante Gabriel Rossetti, 1881.
“We look at the world once,
in childhood. The rest
is memory.”
Louise Gluck
Any and all background music from the free YouTube Audio Library
The Memory Hole Podcast theme is: A Great Darkness Approaches, Can You Feel It? by ELPHNT

6 snips
Oct 17, 2023 • 30min
Bonus: Crews on Freud
This is a bonus episode, to bring you more from my interview conducted on June 28 2023 with Dr. Frederick Crews, Professor Emeritus of English at the University of California at Berkeley.
If you listened to Episode 4 you heard a lot from him about
Freud. But he had lots more to say during our interview and I don’t want to condemn those words to a file on my computer. Plus he doesn’t have a lot of accessible interviews on the internet. I believe his voice needs to be heard.
About the guest:
Frederick Crews is a professor emeritus of English at the University of California at Berkeley. His many books include The Critics Bear It Away: American Fiction and the Academy, The Random House Handbook (currently in its sixth edition), and Postmodern Pooh.
Interview, 6/28/2023
Freud: The Making of an Illision
Episode cover art featuring Amalia Freud, Sigmund's mother.

Oct 17, 2023 • 40min
Ep. 4: The Fog of War; believing the unbelievable.
From Freud to Geraldo
Show Notes:
Frederick Crews is a professor emeritus of English at the University of California at Berkeley. His many books include The Critics Bear It Away: American Fiction and the Academy, The Random House Handbook (currently in its sixth edition), and Postmodern Pooh.
Interview, 6/28/2023
Freud: The Making of an Illision
The Freudian Cover Up
https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/10040046
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Mark Pendergrast
Interview 6/14/2023
Quotes from Prodigy, early internet chat room, taken from his book Victims of Memory.
His more recent and comprehensive book on this subject is Mind Warp:
https://www.amazon.com/Memory-Warp-Repressed-Arose-Refuses/dp/0942679415
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Ms. Magazine Cover Story - Believe it. Cult ritual abuse exists
https://www.loc.gov/exhibitions/drawn-to-purpose/about-this-exhibition/magazine-covers-and-cartoons/disturbing-content/
The article is unavailable on the Ms. Magazine website archives; a PDF copy can be accessed on the Memory Hole Podcast website, www.memoryholepodcast.com
Reaction to the article: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/All+the+babies+you+can+eat.-a013566129
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Melody Gavigan’s story of retraction appears in Time Magazine, in an article Lias of the Mind from 1993
https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,979691,00.html
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Statements from professional organizations disavowing recovered memory therapies:Americal Medical Association
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00207149508409955
American Psychiatric Association https://www.psychiatry.org/getattachment/930fb215-2147-40e9-9d44-f06d84fc64de/Position-2013-Memories-Child-Abuse.pdf
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Decision in the Holly Ramona legal case:
https://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/14/us/father-who-fought-memory-therapy-wins-damage-suit.html
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Geraldo Rivera, as quoted in The Day Care Ritual Abuse Moral Panic, 2004
-from CNBC 12/12/1995
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The False Memory Syndrome Foundation
http://www.fmsfonline.org/
War of Remembrance, Philadelphia Magazine, January 1994
Pam Freyd Interview with David Calof in Treating Abuse Today 1994
Clips from the Documentary Making Memories used with permission of Patrick Clancy
Access it here:
False Memories: Remembering What Never Occurred? (TW: Child Sexual Abuse)
Pam Freyd’s article, published anonymously: How Could This Happen? Coping with A False Accusation of Incest and Rape, Jane Doe
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume3/j3_3_3.htm
The Cut chooses Jennifer Freyd
https://www.thecut.com/article/false-memory-syndrome-controversy.html
Rebuttals
https://carriepoppyyes.medium.com/four-letters-new-york-magazine-hasnt-printed-88e08e94db5f
Beware the Incest Survivor Machine, New York Times, Carol Tavris 1993
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/03/books/beware-the-incest-survivor-machine.html
Cover image collage by Jena Martin featuring the Sphinx from the painting Oedipus and the Sphinx Francois-Xavier Fabre, 1808
The tragic story of Oedipus
https://www.thecollector.com/oedipus-rex-artworks/
Any and all background music from the free YouTube Audio Library
The Memory Hole Podcast theme is: A Great Darkness Approaches, Can You Feel It? by ELPHNT