
The Wall Street Skinny
This podcast is a smart and entertaining peek into the world of investment banking, sales & trading, private equity, hedge funds and more. Hosted by two lifelong friends with a passion for teaching, and over two decades of experience on Wall Street. Discover the basics, ranging from “what is investment banking?” to “what moves markets?". Learn about different roles and exit opportunities, and get tips on how to land the job. Our mission is to make the world of Wall Street accessible to everyone, while keeping things relatable and fun.Whether your goal is to work on Wall Street, or if you have NO idea what any of those things are and just want to learn some basics, this podcast is for you.
Latest episodes

Jun 23, 2025 • 1h 6min
167. Real Estate Private Equity 101 with MSIM's Lauren Hochfelder
Send us a textIn this long-awaited episode of The Wall Street Skinny, we’re breaking down Real Estate Private Equity with Lauren Hochfelder, Managing Director and Co-CEO of Morgan Stanley Real Estate Investing. If you’ve ever wondered what real estate investing looks like at the institutional level — beyond flipping houses or buying rental properties — this is your 101 primer. We dive into the nuances that make this asset class unique. Real estate is both macro and hyper-local, driven by long-term demographic shifts and on-the-ground intel from developers and market specialists. Lauren explains what it means when we say "investing in real estate is an inflation hedge" and why it's such a powerful combination of income and asset appreciation. For anyone curious about commercial real estate trends, we cover everything from the evolving role of the office post-COVID to how lease structures and regional supply chains affect asset valuations. Lauren also addresses the shift away from private equity firms buying up single-family homes and how purpose-built rental communities are gaining traction. We also discuss how the career path differs from traditional private equity, what backgrounds are valued in the industry, and how this corner of the investing world offers a surprisingly diverse and dynamic mix of personalities and perspectives. Whether you’re a student, young professional, or investor looking to understand a foundational but often overlooked part of the market, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.Before we get into it, we also touch on a few big finance headlines from the week: the Fed’s decision to hold rates steady, Millennium’s $14 billion valuation and what it means to buy into a pod shop, and the record-breaking $10 billion sale of a majority stake in the LA Lakers. From hedge fund structures to sports investing comps, we offer a quick download on the stories that caught our attention—and set the stage for deeper dives in future episodes.Our Investment Banking and Private Equity Foundations course is LIVEnow with our M&A course included! Shop our LIBRARY of Self Paced Online Courses HEREJoin the Fixed Income Sales and Trading waitlist HERE Our content is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice.

Jun 16, 2025 • 2h 21min
INDUSTRY S3E1 | IPOs, VCs and Founders Cashing Out, ESG and More!
Send us a textIn this episode we delve into the intricate world of finance depicted in the Season 3 premiere, "Il Mattino Ha L’Oro in Bocca" breaking down the complexities behind the IPO process, how pricing works and setting "price talk", the IPO discount and more. We also touch on some key corporate finance concepts including leverage ratios, net debt, and finally touch on the power and electricity markets, specifically the influence of natural gas on the profitability for solar companies that sell electricity like the fictional Lumi. We also explore the regulatory landscape of public company financial disclosures and the strategic maneuvers companies make to prepare for a successful IPO.The discussion then turns to the significance of ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) investing, examining its impact on stock valuations and the broader market perception. We talk about the show's commentary on how ESG factors play into financial decision-making, client relations, and the reputational risks that come with moving towards more sustainable investments. Through the lens of the show's characters, they illustrate the real-world implications of these principles in modern finance.Additionally, the episode offers a critical analysis of the character dynamics and ethical considerations in the high-stakes environment of investment banking. The hosts draw parallels between the show’s dramatic narrative and actual industry practices, providing listeners with both entertainment and a clearer understanding of the financial intricacies that drive the plot of Industry. Whether you're a finance professional or simply a fan of the show, this episode promises to enrich your viewing experience with expert financial insights.To listen to our IPO 101 episode, click HERETo listen to the WeWork failed IPO + SPACs 101 episode, click HEREOur Investment Banking and Private Equity Foundations course is LIVEnow with our M&A course included! Shop our LIBRARY of Self Paced Online Courses HEREJoin the Fixed Income Sales and Trading waitlist HERE Our content is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice.

Jun 13, 2025 • 1h 5min
165. Biotech Investment Banking 101 Feat Sonia Gupta of Goldman Sachs
Send us a textIn this episode, we sit down with Sonia Gupta, Partner and Co-Head of Biotech Investment Banking at Goldman Sachs. Sonia walks us through her unique journey—from studying public health at Brown, to working in healthcare consulting, to getting her MBA at MIT, and ultimately climbing the ranks at Goldman to become a senior leader advising some of the most innovative biotech companies in the world. We dive deep into what it’s like to enter banking post-MBA, how her academic background shaped her approach to the job, and why healthcare—particularly biotech—is such a distinct and intellectually demanding coverage group.We explore the nuances of biotech investment banking: how to value companies that often have no revenue, how the space intersects with venture capital and tech, and why the work often feels more like strategic consulting than traditional M&A. Sonia breaks down the DCF models she and her team build—sometimes stretching 25 years—and the real-life decision-making that goes into supporting clients whose work could lead to the next blockbuster cancer drug or cure for a rare genetic disease. We also talk about how healthcare banking is segmented within the broader investment banking ecosystem and what it really means to be a “coverage banker” at Goldman.Finally, we discuss analyst exit opportunities, how banks like Goldman are thinking about retention, and what it’s like building a career—and a family—while advising high-growth companies from San Francisco. Sonia’s insights are thoughtful, candid, and inspiring, especially for anyone considering a career in investment banking or healthcare. Whether you're curious about the real-world utility of an MBA, the biotech IPO market, or what it means to grow into true subject matter expertise over time, this episode offers a fascinating window into one of the most complex and purpose-driven sectors on Wall Street.Our Investment Banking and Private Equity Foundations course is LIVEnow with our M&A course included! Shop our LIBRARY of Self Paced Online Courses HEREJoin the Fixed Income Sales and Trading waitlist HERE Our content is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice.

Jun 9, 2025 • 2h 4min
Industry S2E8 | How Soros Broke the Bank of England & What It Has to Do with "Industry" (and the Trump Administration)
Send us a textIn this episode, we break down the finance behind the Industry Season 2 finale—and without exaggerating, this might be our favorite episode yet. There was so much to dig into, starting with the trade that the whole season built toward: Jesse Bloom’s long Rican / short FastAid position.Because the episode references the legendary trade where “Soros broke the Bank of England” in 1992, we also break down that wild real-life story—something anyone aspiring to work on Wall Street should know. That leads us into a deeper discussion on how hedge funds can move markets, the mechanics of currency pegs, central bank credibility, and how macro traders think about asymmetric risk. The real shocker is WHO the brains behind that trade were because it's someone that all us in the US are VERY familiar with these days... and no it's not Soros.Finally, we look at how all of this plays out across the show's main characters: Harper’s decision leads to her firing, Yasmin is blindsided by Celeste, Gus gets caught in the fallout, and Rishi and DVD’s team pitch to Nomura doesn’t go as planned. We explore how team dynamics, sales credits, and firm reputation impact career progression on the sell side—and how optionality (or the lack of it) drives every character’s choices in the final moments of the season.Our Investment Banking and Private Equity Foundations course is LIVEnow with our M&A course included! Shop our LIBRARY of Self Paced Online Courses HEREJoin the Fixed Income Sales and Trading waitlist HERE Our content is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice.

Jun 6, 2025 • 1h 4min
163. The $7.8 Trillion Question: Should the GSEs Be Privatized? GSEs 101
Send us a textIn this episode, we sit down with Olga Gorodetsky, a Director in Capital Markets at Fannie Mae, for an in-depth conversation about the role of Government-Sponsored Enterprises (GSEs) in the U.S. housing finance system. Olga walks us through the history and mission of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, explaining how these institutions provide liquidity and stability to the mortgage market. We explore how mortgage-backed securities (MBS) are created, who trades them, and why they are essential to the broader financial ecosystem. Olga also offers a clear explanation of what happened during the 2008 financial crisis that led to the conservatorship of the GSEs, what conservatorship means in practice, and how it continues to shape the debate over housing finance reform. Finally, we discuss the current state of the mortgage and capital markets, including recent policy developments and headlines that are evolving in realtime. Whether you’re an investor, a homeowner, or simply curious about how mortgages connect to Wall Street, this episode offers timely insights and expert perspective on one of the most important — and often misunderstood — parts of the U.S. economy.Our Investment Banking and Private Equity Foundations course is LIVEnow with our M&A course included! Shop our LIBRARY of Self Paced Online Courses HEREJoin the Fixed Income Sales and Trading waitlist HERE Our content is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice.

May 31, 2025 • 1h 12min
162. Should You Get the CFA? All Your Testing Questions Answered with Kaplan's Joyce Schnur
Send us a textWondering if you need the CFA to break into banking? Curious what the SIE is, or whether a CPA helps you land a role in private equity? You're not alone—exam questions are by far the most common DMs we get. So in this episode, we finally break it all down.We’re joined by Joyce Schnur, Senior VP at Kaplan, who walks us through the differences between licensing (SIE, Series 7, 63, 79) and credentials (CFA, CPA, CFP, CAIA), who actually needs them, and how they impact your finance career. Whether you're entering investment banking, sales & trading, asset management, or wealth advisory, we cover which exams matter—and which ones don’t. We also talk exam structure, pass rates, and how new rules may let you fund prep with a 529 plan.Plus, we dive into the latest market drama—TACO (Trump Always Chickens Out), bond market crowding, and the beauty M&A boom featuring Hailey Bieber’s near-billion-dollar deal. As always, it’s markets, career advice, and pop culture—through a Wall Street lens.For more information about Kaplan, check them out HERETo connect with Joyce Schnur on LinkedIn, find here HEREOur Investment Banking and Private Equity Foundations course is LIVEnow with our M&A course included! Shop our LIBRARY of Self Paced Online Courses HEREJoin the Fixed Income Sales and Trading waitlist HERE Our content is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice.

May 28, 2025 • 1h 42min
INDUSTRY S2E7 | "Lone Wolf and Cub" Hitting a Bid Away, Comp & Revenge
Send us a textWe’re back and breaking down Season 2, Episode 7 of Industry: “Lone Wolf and Cub.” This one is dense with real finance concepts—starting with Harper, Eric, and Rishi's attempt to “hit a bid away” and pitch themselves as a ready-made desk to rival firms. We get into how traders actually get paid, why comp guarantees are risky, and what it means to bring “client color” as your leverage in a job switch. Plus: why Rishi’s pitch as a prop-style trader who embraces client flow is more old school than it sounds—and why that still matters.We also break down how sales and trading teams actually work, the dynamics of headhunter-driven moves versus warm intros, and the very real consequences of interviewing without an offer in hand. For anyone trying to understand what’s real and what’s dramatized when it comes to switching firms, negotiating comp, and building leverage on the Street, this episode is basically a case study.On the character side, we unpack the growing tension between Robert, Nicole, and Venetia—and how the firm (and culture) handles client misconduct. Plus, Yaz is clearly in deeper than she realizes, and Daria pulls off what might be the best power play of the series. We wrap with our take on who’s up, who’s down, and what this episode gets right (and wrong) about how finance careers really work.Sign up for our Excel and Financial Modeling Masterclass May 29 at 12pm HERE (or if you're still in the 48 hour window, register to access the replay!)Our Investment Banking and Private Equity Foundations course is LIVEnow with our M&A course included! Shop our LIBRARY of Self Paced Online Courses HEREJoin the Fixed Income Sales and Trading waitlist HERE Our content is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice.

May 22, 2025 • 1h 37min
160. Elite Boutiques vs. Bulge Bracket Investment Banks feat. Greenhill Chairman, Scott Bok
Send us a textIn this episode of The Wall Street Skinny, we sit down with Scott Bok, Chairman and former CEO of Greenhill & Co. and author of Surviving Wall Street: A Tale of Triumph, Tragedy and Timing. Scott shares stories from his remarkable career journey—from big law at Wachtell Lipton to investment banking at Morgan Stanley, to ultimately leading one of the most respected elite boutiques on Wall Street. We talk through the rise of the elite boutique model, the decision to go public, and why Greenhill ultimately sold to Mizuho—plus Scott’s candid take on private equity poaching, career longevity, and the myth of the “Goldman discount.”We also dive into the mechanics of university governance, the rise of endowment taxation, and Scott’s experience as Chairman of the Board at the University of Pennsylvania during one of the most tumultuous moments in higher Ed history. He offers an insider's perspective on free speech debates, board dynamics, DEI backlash, and how elite universities are being pulled into the center of a national cultural reckoning. Scott helps unpack how these issues intersect with broader questions of institutional control, public trust, and economic influence.Finally, Jen and Kristen cover the latest market headlines—from the Moody’s U.S. downgrade to the recent 20-year Treasury auction and what it says (or doesn’t say) about investor sentiment. We also share an exciting announcement: to celebrate crossing 300k followers, we’re hosting a FREE live Excel + financial modeling masterclass on May 29th at 12pm EST—perfect for interns, new hires, or anyone looking to sharpen their skills. Register now to join live or get access to the 48-hour replay!Register HEREOur Investment Banking and Private Equity Foundations course is LIVEnow with our M&A course included! Shop our LIBRARY of Self Paced Online Courses HEREJoin the Fixed Income Sales and Trading waitlist HERE Our content is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice.

May 15, 2025 • 55min
159. Trump Tax Bill Breakdown and Insider Trading in Congress with Rep. Seth Magaziner
Send us a textWe’re thrilled to welcome Congressman Seth Magaziner — a longtime friend from our high school and college days — for a conversation about the intersection of finance, policy, and politics. We break down the proposed tax bill currently moving through Congress, the state of U.S. debt and deficits, and insider trading laws for elected officials, and Seth’s background in finance and public service working as the youngest treasurer of Rhode Island for 8 years.We dive into the details of the proposed $5 trillion tax cuts, $2 trillion spending cuts, and the projected $3–5 trillion increase in debt over the next decade — and what all of this could mean for markets, companies, and investors. We also explore the surprisingly legal practice of members of Congress trading stocks while in office, and Seth’s bipartisan effort to ban it.Our Investment Banking and Private Equity Foundations course is LIVEnow with our M&A course included! Shop our LIBRARY of Self Paced Online Courses HEREJoin the Fixed Income Sales and Trading waitlist HERE Our content is for informational purposes only. You should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice.

May 10, 2025 • 43min
158. Is the Fed Secretly Stimulating Markets? Plus Exciting Announcement!
Kristen and Jen unveil their exciting new M&A course, blending finance with engaging storytelling. They analyze the Fed's latest monetary policies, clarifying misconceptions around quantitative easing and treasury management. The duo discusses 3G Capital's $9.3 billion bid to privatize Skechers, highlighting trends in corporate privatization during market instability. Amidst all this, they share personal updates and entertainment highlights, promising a lively mix of finance and fun.