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James Corbett discusses where his head is at after all these years of doing what he’s been doing and what’s most pressing on his mind at the moment. He agrees that the COVID1984 biosecurity state is one of the central problems facing humanity today. The Digital ID system is being implemented in the very near-term and will then be forwarded through social credit scores and CBDCs. James warns against hopium and that although we’ve won some battles, we are not winning the war. He discusses how he views the elite global power structure and their visions of the future such as eugenics, transhumanism, and technocracy. He gives his thoughts on the prospects of future war, how to think about deep politics, as well as solutions. Watch On BitChute / Brighteon / Rumble / Rokfin / YouTube Geopolitics & Empire · James Corbett: Biosecurity is the New Governance Paradigm for the Planet #258 *Support Geopolitics & Empire! 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In fact, actually given what is happening in other parts of the world, it’s going extremely well here in Japan, which is not something I would’ve predicted beforehand. But before we start, let me just give a little plug for your podcast. I’ve been enjoying it quite a bit recently. I appreciate the fact that you’re bringing in a lot of different people with, from a lot of different perspectives. Some of whom I agree with, some of whom I slightly agree with, some of whom I violently disagree with, but I do appreciate that you do get a broad range of opinions on. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah, thanks for that. You know, I was just going to say, it’s kind of funny that here we are two, I guess former English teachers turn podcasters, content creators, whatever you want to call it. And the Geopolitics & Empire can’t hold a candle to the prolific work of corporate report, but it’s funny. I had you actually on my future guest list and then the friend of mind pointed out that recently you had actually mentioned me in your Kazakhstan Episode, which I thought was flattering. And I thought it was a good time now than to shoot you a mail. But you’ve had quite the ride over the past decade, plus putting out a huge library of important work and meeting so many interesting people. I’m just curious now, how has the ride been for you? How does it feel? Has your work ethic changed much? How have you changed or stayed the same through all of these years? Message From Our Sponsors A message from our sponsors. The Nomos app will help you survive COVID1984 and the great reset. Nomos is a timebank that can be used by communities anywhere in the world. You just need to talk people into using it. For example, if you go to your barber for a 30-minute haircut, your barber receives 30 minutes in his timebank. He can then use that time to pay for an appointment with the doctor. 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James Corbett: Well, I guess on the personal level or on the work level, I don’t think that my work ethic has changed. I have just always been particularly self-motivated, which is a good thing when you’re basically doing this for yourself and by yourself and with yourself. Just talking to a screen most days, if you’re not self motivated to get out of bed and start doing things, it’s probably going to be a problem. But luckily that’s never been a problem for me. So in that sense, I don’t think anything’s changed. In fact, the one thing that has changed is when I started, of course, I was just doing this as you say, kind of as a hobby. But it was essentially a second full-time job after my full-time job of teaching. But luckily after four years, I was able to mass enough of an audience and support in order to start doing it full-time. So now I don’t have that burden. But now I also have a family, which is obviously a demand on my time as a stay-at-home father. So I juggle a lot of balls, but luckily I’m able to do that. However, in terms of what I’ve… the way I’ve changed in my operation or the way I think about things or the way I approach things, I think I’ve been consistent in some of my core principles and things, but I have certainly changed on certain topics and certain ideas. And obviously, I’d like to think that as my research, as I’ve done more research, I’ve come to a more nuanced understanding of various things. Probably the biggest change that has occurred in the demonstrable in the time since I started to now would be my conversion from statism to some flavor of anarchism. I think that’s a pretty big change to make politically speaking. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. Speaking of anarchism, I was just going to ask you, by the way. I think… Have you been to Mexico for Anarchapulco? James Corbett: I’ve been there twice. Yeah. Geopolitics & Empire: How did you enjoy Mexico? Is it someplace… A lot of people are fleeing to Mexico. Is it a place you’d recommend? James Corbett: I recommend… Actually, I have a questions for COVID on this specifically, I think it’s called, where should we run to? I think it was number 74, but don’t hold me to that. Anyway, you can find it on my site. Where I address that question, because I get that question a lot from people at least a couple of week, every single week. I want to move. Where should I… What country should I move to? I cannot and will not answer that question for anyone because it’s such a personal question dependent on a thousand different personal context sort of things. So, for some people, I’m sure Mexico is a great place to go. For others, I’m sure it is not. And I wouldn’t presume to say either way. For me personally, what is the secret stew that made it so that when I got to Japan, and was planning to stay here for one year, I’ve stayed here for 18 years. What is it about Japan that drew me to it and I felt comfortable? At this point, I feel more at home in Japan than I would in Canada. So why is that? I don’t know. That’s a million different personal things that go to that. But people always ask me, why did you go to Japan? Like, as if it was some sort of big political decision that I made or some sort of calculation or strategic thing. No, I was a young, dumb, single, carefree was just looking for a way to kill a year and make some money. So I’ll go teach English in Asia. And it turns out I really liked it in Japan. That’s the long and short of it. As it turns out, that was actually, I think very beneficial for me in a number of ways. One of which is that because I was not fluent Japanese speaker in Japan at in early 2000s. My lifeline, the sort of the thing that I was getting information and news and things from was online. And so, I was a very early adopter of podcasts and what have you, because it was just a very easy way for me to stay in touch with what was going on back home in Canada. And as a result of that, I think I was early on the wave of things like podcasting and other things, which helped me out in the long run. And, also, I think it is easier to do this work that I do from a remove. I talk a lot about Canada and the US and other places. But it’s good to have that actual distance, so I can sort of see things from afar and get a different perspective on them. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. My story is the same. I thought I’d go to Mexico just for a year or two. I became a Mexican. I’ve been here for 10 years and even Mexicans ask me, why’d you come here? And I’m like, “I’m still trying to figure out the question… the answer to that question,” so that’s just life. You know, life happens. And as you say, I agree when people ask me, should I go to Russia or Mexico or Latin America? And I often tell them, it might be better just to stay put where you are. So I wanted to get your thoughts on what’s most pressing you at the moment? There’s a lot of questions I can ask you. And often I ask my guests, what’s on your mind right now? I cover a lot of top topics, but I’ve kind of gotten tired of the geopolitical war talk with this, US, Russia, cycle at the moment. And I kind of view it as a bit of a diversion from COVID1984. The great reset and all that it entails is my number one worry, at the moment. That includes this cyber pandemic and all of this stuff that you and I and listeners know about. I’m kind of disregarding all of this talk of the restrictions being canceled. Many of the articles that I’m reading, in fact they say, “Oh, we’re getting rid of the restrictions”, but they still outline that the COVID passports are here to stay. And here in Mexico they’re already operating, they’re already talk about expanding them. So now they’re attempting to install this global social credit system, which went in place will basically turn off my ability to do anything. I don’t think I’m exaggerating that it will literally starve me and my family to death. That’s kind of my worry, that’s on my radar. What’s what are some of the things on your radar at the moment? James Corbett: Well, I think my thoughts are very much in line with that COVID1984 has as much to do with a virus as Watergate had to do with a hotel, which is to say nothing. It’s not about that. And so whatever happens in terms of this pandemic that we’re living through right now, it doesn’t matter. The infrastructure for the biosecurity state is being laid, has already to some extent, been laid and will not be pride out without some major revolutionary times to come. So that’s definitely forefront in my mind, at least for this particular moment and what we’re living through right now. And I have always, and will always cite one of the writers and thinkers that helped me to not understand this, but to articulate it. It was Giorgio Agamben, who was the one from whom I got that term biosecurity and he formulated it very simply, very precisely in a very early on. And I think he definitely saw where this was going from a very early stage. So for people who don’t know about Giorgio Agamben, he wrote a… He’s an Italian philosopher. He’s written about states of emergency and how they are used to override constitutions and other things, which basically, I think shows that the political, the governance paradigm that we live under is not really what we think it is and can change at a moment’s notice as we have seen. And he’s really articulated what this is and where it’s going, and the fact that this is a new governance paradigm for the planet. For example, when he did an interview in May of 2020, so very early on called Polemos Epidemios, where he said an epidemic as this is suggested by its etymological roots in the Greek term demos, which designates the people as a political body is first and foremost, a political concept. In Homer, Polemos Epidemios is the civil war. What we see today is that the epidemic is becoming the new terrain of politics. The battleground of a global civil war, because a civil war is a war against an internal enemy, one which lives inside of ourselves. And it goes on to say, it is important to understand that biosecurity both in its efficacy and in its pervasiveness out does every form of governance that we have hit to known as been able to see in Italy. But not only here, as soon as a threat to health is declared, people unresisting consent to limitations on their freedom, that they would never have accepted in the past. Well, that’s a pretty good articulation of what’s happened over the past couple of years. And as I say this, this has nothing to do with the particularities of this particular moment, and people who have followed my work for any length of time, hopefully know by now. I was talking about medical martial law over a decade ago, because precisely because the legislative institutional groundwork for this has been laid over the past couple of decades at the very least. So this particular thing is being used as the moment, okay, let’s pull the trigger on this, but the gun was already loaded and ready to go. And it didn’t take a crystal ball to see where this was going. This is the new governance paradigm for the planet, for at least until the next one comes along. We went from the homeland security state of the early two thousands into the biosecurity state without missing a beat. And there are a number of parallels there. And I did a piece in 2020 on September 11th, I released COVID 9/11, where I specifically drew those parallels between homeland security and biosecurity. And you can look at some very specific examples. I believe it was the clear health pass was something that was started in… or 2002, 2003, something like that as part of this screening process at airports before the homeland security state and screening for terrorism and what have you. And that company has effortlessly switched over to, well, now they’re going to be providing the health check screening passports that now won’t just be at the airports. Now it’s moving out into your everyday life. And exactly, as you say, it’s creating the infrastructure for a state where they can turn your ability to participate in society on or off with a flick of a switch. So I guess what I see coming is, in the very near term, yes, all of this vaccine, health passport is just the fig leaf for the implementation of the digital ID system, which will then be used and forwarded through social credit scores and the central bank digital currency, which is what I see as the midterm in the next five years. We are going to start seeing the implementations of CBDCs in various countries, which will be directly controlled by central banks. They will be able to algorithmically control money itself so that if they want to impose limits, for example, we want… we need to quarantine this city. So your CBDC wallet will no longer work if you leave the city and we have your GPS, because it’s on your smartphone. So we know where you are. We know who you’re transacting with. We know what you’re buying at every moment that you’re buying it, we can allow or disallow that transaction. That is the nightmare in the midterm. And then long term, unfortunately, within the next decade, I do see hot war geopolitical war as a very real possibility. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. I had a similar view, actually I had Agamben’s book on my wish list. Now I’m going to get it that you mentioned it. And I think about a year ago, I think I was one of the first to interview, Robin Monotti, the architect; and he was mentioning, Italian architect and he was mentioning Agamben. But I think this… Some of the… What we’re seeing goes back even way further like a century. I interviewed the Jewish historian, Edwin Black, where he talks about the algorithm ghetto. And on his show just two weeks ago, the topic was how in 1938, the Governor of Connecticut, Eugenicist had drawn up plans to actually take people. They deemed as undesirables, send them to extermination camps in the Ozarks. We’re talking about Connecticut in the United States in 1938. So he lost reelection, so that plan just never came to fruition, but he was influenced by the Nazis who were in turn influenced earlier by the American Eugenicist. So it seems like what they’re trying to do now, they’ve been trying to do this for a century. And it’s insane, and as you say, a lot of people say, I’m too pessimistic or cynical, but I don’t see this going away like we’re in it. They’re laying the infrastructure. There’s a lot of hopium going around, but I’m just kind of like bating down the hatches and kind of preparing for the worst. It’s just… I mean, what are your thoughts going forward? James Corbett: Yes, I agree. We should not be taking this lightly. As we’re recording this, I wrote an editorial just the past weekend called Do NOT Go Back to Sleep, this is not the end, because I see the same sort of rhetoric going around. People celebrating. Yay, they’re rolling back the restrictions. Yes, okay, let’s be happy about the steps that are being taken in the right direction, but we may be winning certain battles. We are not winning this war, not by a long shot. Not yet. So there’s a lot more work to be done. On that note that you mentioned about the historical context for this and stepping back and looking at the bigger, bigger picture of where this is coming from and the ideology behind it, I think that’s extremely important to be able to understand that this is not just the happenstance incompetent boobs, bumbling their way through a response to this thing that came up, oh, what are we going to do? Now, this is part and parcel of a plan that is in line with an ideology that has been pervasive at the very least demonstrably for over a century now. And I tried to tie that history to get other in my, How and Why Big Oil Conquered the World documentary, where essentially, what I see is the early iteration of this philosophy ideology guiding principles of the oligarchs was framed around the concept of eugenics. The pseudoscience of eugenics that developed in the late 19th century in England, but quickly spread to the United States and then to Germany, etcetera. But, of course, after World War II, when all of that, well, it’s… we can’t really claim to be eugenicist anymore. It’s kind of got a dark. We don’t want to have those connotations. So we have to take an underground. And the American Eugenics Society and others explicitly said, we need start crypto eugenics. You had Julian Huxley, the founder of UNESCO writing in the founding document of UNESCO. We need to make eugenic policies thinkable again, all of this. Well, how do we do that? Well, you have people like Julian Huxley and others who come together in organizations like the World Wildlife Federation. What a wonderful thing? Yay! All these very rich, very powerful people coming together in conservatorship, kind of organizations, World Wildlife Federation, these sorts of things that are just about protecting nature. And then we get the next iteration of the eugenics ideas, which was reformulated as population control to save the planet and population control in every sense, not just in terms of numbers and controlling fertility and sterility and what have you. But also controlling the population and what they can do and what they’re allowed to do. And that starts to go into the burgeoning environmental movement, which becomes a way of restricting people’s ability to access various parts of nature. And eventually, of course, who can own and what will we do with this nature. And that’s culminating, as I was reporting late last year in this Global Financial Alliance for Net Zero, which came about at the top 26 in Scotland. Where they’re talking about, oh, we’re going to form these new natural asset classes, which will then be traded by the trustworthy people of Blackstone and other such investment companies. And we’re going to have these billionaires stewarding over the world’s natural resources in the name of saving mother earth, of course. And where I see this going long term is into the next iteration of the same idea, the fundamental idea of eugenics, which for people who don’t know, look it up, but essentially the idea that there are certain people who are genetically fit to rule over others, they are genetically superior and their genes deserve to be propagated into the future. The genes of the poor and the criminals and the mentally defective, they need to be removed from the gene pool. That’s essentially what we’re talking about. It’s just a justification for ruling class ideology, but the long term, the next stage of that is going to be transhumanism. And that sounds absolutely crazy to the average person as it should, but don’t talk to me or to the average person talk to Klaus Schwab. And the world economic forum, the fourth industrial revolution, talking about the merging of our digital, biological and physical identities, the brain chips, and all these crazy ideas that, again, it’s not James Corbett we’re talking about. It’s Klaus Schwab and his cronies talking about these ideas that are coming that will be tied into the central bank digital currencies and the digital IDs and the social credit scores and the vaccine passports, which for some reason, they’re calling green passes in country after country. I wonder if there’s some carbon credits that are coming in the future, you’ll have a carbon allowance that you’ll be allowed to spend each month, which ties into technocracy, which is an entire other idea, which ties very nicely into the eugenic story that I’m painting here. Where, literally, it was a plan to structure the economy, not around dollars and cents or pesos or yen, but around jewels of energy. And you will be allotted a credit of energy each month by the technocratic rulers of the technique who rule over you. And they will allow you to spend a certain amount of energy each month. So products and services that you buy will be priced in units of energy. And this will all be balanced by the scientists and engineers who know best for you. Again, all of this fits together. And to anyone who doesn’t understand or doesn’t know any part of what I just talked about, that just sounds like I just verbally diarrhead all over the place for the last couple of minutes. But when you start to know all of the pieces of that puzzle and how they fit together, it is absolutely breathtaking. And that is the reason why people like yourself know that whatever little rollbacks we’re getting on this or that mandate here and there is not the end of this battle. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. I just saw recently someone I interviewed some months ago, the Australian Senator Malcolm Roberts, he’s going all out and he’s just been weekly now talking about this Australian Digital Identity Bill. And basically using the same language as you, he’s saying that they want to put our all aspects of our lives to make it a subscription service to them. As you laid out every single aspect of our lives, and I don’t know how important this is. How would you qualify this system? For me, it’s not that important. It’s ultimately total. It’s a totalitarian system that’s going to have total control, the financial aspect, money and power. But we hear, you’ve mentioned biosecurity states, technocracies, some people call this Marxist, monopoly, capitalist, transhumanist. It seems to be like this beast that’s got flavors of each, how would you kind of qualify it? James Corbett: Yes. In a sense, perhaps trying to put the definitive single label on it is self-defeating, precisely because it can morph and change shape to suit whatever the etiology of the moment is. I always point out that hundreds or thousands of years ago, people believed that their rulers were either literally gods or appointed by God to rule over them. That doesn’t fly in the modern, enlightened, scientific era. So they needed to come up with a news story. Okay. It’s genes, actually, when eugenetics started, they didn’t even know about genetics per se. Mendel was still doing his pea pod experiments and stuff. So they didn’t really have any actual scientific basis for it. They just called it germplasm. And said, “Well, our germplasm, our goo is better than your goo. And this is the scientific way of doing this.” So they will morph and change the narrative to suit whatever timeframe they happen to be in. And I think the one for the coming decades is going to be technocracy. It’s going to be, don’t worry guys, the scientists trust the science. They know what’s best, these people in the white lab coats know everything. Where do the people in the white lab coats get their funding and resources? And no, never ever think about that question. No, it’s just, they’re floating on clouds and they will tell you what to do. And I think that’s going to be the fig leaf of justification for this in the coming years. So I think, for example, Patrick Wood has it nailed. I think this is technocracy as the governance paradigm they’re going to go with for the coming decades. And that’s going to dictate the way that this unfolds and it’s a nightmare, unless we are aware of this and consciously working towards. And I wouldn’t even say fighting against the implementation of the system so much as building up the actual alternative to this system. Because their entire system is going to be predicated on being able to control and monitor and disallow any interaction or any transaction with any person in real time through their technological control. We have to build up the alternative infrastructure for an alternative economy now. We should have been doing it 20, 50, a hundred years ago. But, hey, might as well start today. And if we don’t have that in place by the time this CBDC and all of these things are in place, it will be game over for free humanity. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. I talked to Patrick about a month ago. And on this podcast, we often talk about parallel structures, parallel economies, to talk about a bit about Mr. Global. Then there’s a lot of smart people that I interview. And as you said earlier, when you listen to my podcast, people have to get it through their head that I don’t necessarily agree with my guests, but you got to hear different points of views and a comment. A listener was telling me like, “Everyone’s got a little piece of the puzzle that maybe you didn’t think about before.” And so I’ve got guests, like recently I had on Ron Unz, who thinks that COVID was a US bio weapon launched against China. Right before that, I spoke to Jeff Nyquist who thinks it’s a Chinese-Russian bio weapon launched against the US and the west. And then before that I had the Dutch academic Kees Van Der Pijl, who wrote the fantastic book States of Emergency. And I agree with him where we’re seeing… Other people that I’ve talked to, like Michael Rectenwald as well, that point out the same that we’re seeing factions of ruling elites or ruling elites in all nations. They have some sort of a global network where they’re working together, because how else can you explain all nations from Mexico to Kazakhstan, where I used to live, to everywhere, applying the same measures. And so, I mean, what are your thoughts on… what do you think is going on? Is there this one global power structure that’s infiltrated all nations? James Corbett: Yes, essentially yes. To a certain extent. So let me clarify that. But let me say, I have listened to all three of those conversations and although I disagree to some extent with all of them, I certainly agree the most with Van Der Pijl? Was that his name? Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. James Corbett: Yeah. He was more in line with the way I’m thinking about this. Although I tend to disagree with his economic framing and what have you. But, yes, clearly this is more than a nation state 2D chess game that’s being played right now. And so for people who are interested in this, I have talked at length a number of times about the concept of 3D chess, geopolitically. I’m sure this is not a new concept of people by this point in 2022. But essentially, no, I do not think that the nation states waring against each other is the entirety of the game, so to speak. I think it is part of the game, but I think there are forces and bodies that clearly and demonstrably over the past couple of years are enacting an agenda across nation state borders. And a clear example of this, whether you think Russia are the good guys in some fight against evil NATO, or whether you think that they’re the bad guys that we should be trying to contain. In any sense, just look at their COVID policies and the vaccine passports and the vaccines rolling out and all of this, it’s wow, it’s almost identical to what’s happening in the west. Wow, I thought these were arch rivals. What’s going on here? And then you start to look at the actual specific people like the CEO of Sberbank. Gref? I forget his name. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. [crosstalk 00:26:54]- James Corbett: People like this that are clearly connected into the world, economic forum, explicitly, and organizations like this. And I always try to stress, I don’t think the world economic forum is running the world. But I think it’s a good example that you can put your finger on. Oh, here’s an organization with all these spokes that tend to go out into all of these different places that connect all of these players and all of these different supposedly waring countries. What’s going on here? And I’ve talked about this many, many times. I will point once again, and I will always make the caveat that I’m not promoting this person. But I think it’s a good one to use it to people who are to point out to people who are skeptical, that in 2008, the mini Kissinger… What’s his name? He was the head of Kissinger and Associates for some time, he ran foreignpolicy.com. He’s a beltway insider in Washington. Geopolitics & Empire: Is that Rothkopf or something? James Corbett: David Rothkopf, right? Right. Yeah. He wrote the Superclass, which was a book talking explicitly about this. The fact that there are actors who are not necessarily politicians, they are not in national governments who… there’s about 6,000 of them who are a superclass, who are able to enact agendas across national borders. And, of course, every time he was giving Rothkopf, every time he was giving a speech about this or an interview in that time period, when the book came out, he was like, “Oh, I’m not a conspiracy theorist. This isn’t a conspiracy theory. I’m not. Don’t tell me [inaudible 00:28:25].” But everything he’s saying is exactly what the crazy conspiracy theorists are alleging. That, yes, there is a superclass that is an oligarchical elite that is able to enact an international agenda through various bodies and things like the world economic forum, or like the Bilderberg group or these other places of power and influence where clearly there is an international agenda being set and implemented, again, as we have seen over the past couple of years. So, yes, clearly there is some much, much bigger thing happening right now than merely a nation state 2D [inaudible 00:28:57]. Geopolitics & Empire: I’m going to show my Putin coffee cup. I’m not a Putin fanboy. I have it for fun. I picked it up when I was in St. Petersburg few years ago. But I think people have to think, imagine how you, whatever citizen you are of whatever country, how you feel with your own government, right? As you said, you left statism and you became sort of an anarchist. And I think a lot of us understand that our governments are evil. You read RJ Rummel who I think came up with the term democide. Death by Government. In 20th century, government killed the most people was the cause of most deaths. Now imagine, if you’re a Russian living in Russia, you’re going to feel the same way as an American feels against this corrupt American government, as a Russian against its own Russian government. There’s no reason for us to think the Russians are any better or the Chinese or whatever other country. And in fact, Riley Waggaman, who I’ve interviewed, who was former RT, who is in Russia. He lays out, his subtech is amazing. He’s showing you how Russia’s going full great reset. And actually, he’s going to be contributing original material articles for Geopolitics & Empires, so people [crosstalk 00:30:06]- James Corbett: Awesome. Good. Yeah. He’s doing good work. Let me put in a plug for him. I agree, I think, yeah, it’s incredibly important to see it from that perspective, because it can be easy for someone in America or somewhere else to look at. Oh, well, Putin such great leader in such the, it’s easy to say that when you are not actually in Russia beholden to the Russian system, Oh, the Russian vaccine passports are just so much better than the American version. Like what? What’s going on? No, clearly, yeah. It’s important to keep that perspective in mind that we should not be idealizing. Or then the other flip side of that, of course, is that it’s not I’m saying, oh, you know, we should go in and invade Russia to free them from Putin. That’s, again, that’s the wrong, wrong way of thinking about it. Geopolitics & Empire: So I’m trying to bring up these are some of the big questions for me as we’ve been discussing. And war also which you mentioned that you think coming, where are now? 2022 towards 2030 USC war, I see the same and a number of my guests have said the same. I’ve talked to the Australian, Special Forces Australia, one politician, Riccardo Bosi who thinks, I’m a historian, I studied history. He’s like, “The default and history is war. Peace is the anomaly. We’re going to have war again.” The question is kind of what’s it going to kind of look like between who, where, the consequences. And many other guests have also said the same that they see war from between 2025 closer to 2030. But it’s just that kind of interesting dynamic as you laid out, we’ve got these, these snakes that have infiltrated as you laid out our national government. So they’re working for this global kind of power, but yet at the same time, we’ve got this overt kind of rivalry. We’re seeing now between US, Russia, China, and other states, and that will eventually go to war. So how do you explain the logic behind that? I guess what one past guest also discussed that war allows them to transform the entirety of society as well, so they can use that very much to their advantage. So what are your thoughts about war in the future? James Corbett: All right. So I sometimes tend to just say that I’m not a cartoon conspiracy theorist, where I think there’s one group that controls everything and they all meet in a smokey room. But let’s lay that out in detail. It’s not like there is a thing called the elite and you get your membership card to the elite. And along with that you get the plan and here is the plan and here’s what’s going to happen. And here’s what you have to do with this. And does anyone think that’s how it works? I certainly don’t. So there are different players involved in this game who are at different layers of eliteness. And in sort of whether they’re on the inner side of the inner circle or the outer side of the inner circle, or the outer side of the outer circle. And different levels of understanding who are, have their own motivations, individual psychology, let alone sort of where they’re, what they believe that they’re doing and what part they’re playing. So I don’t think there is a singular plan that everyone is working towards. So there is a 2D chess game that is part of what is happening right now. And there are nation states that do have militaries and I have no doubt that a lot of people in the military of their respective nation states are on board with the idea of the 2D chess war. And they really do see it in that those terms and they really are working towards containing, if not eradicating the enemy in the simplistic terms, etcetera. There are certain people above them who may be giving orders or funding certain things into existence, or what have you that are at a different level of the game, who might understand things a bit differently and might have different allegiances. They might have some allegiance to their nations state of origin, but they might have allegiance to some sort of broad category of economic interest or their fellows in various organizations, etcetera. So again, a lot of people different understandings and levels that they’re playing at. So, one way that hot war can actually eventuate is the hot head on the wrong day, firing the… pulling the trigger. But once there is enough pieces in place on the chess board, it just takes one wrong move at one wrong time to put the clockwork machinery into motion. And that’s one way of looking at World War I. Yes, the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand started World War I. Why? Like what… How did that motivate all these different people? Well, because the clockwork machinery for all of this war was already in place, all it needed was a trigger event. Did it matter what the particular trigger event is? Well, not necessarily, no, it was a trigger event and it set everything into motion. Everything had already been set up. In the same way, again, like I’ve been trying to stress with the biosecurity state. All of the pieces were in place. Everything was there, all it needed was a trigger event. Does it really matter what particular trigger event it is? No it’s already set up. So I think all of the pieces are being put into place right now for a hot war scenario. So will it matter necessarily what the particular trigger event is? Well, yeah, it’ll be interesting to see, but does it matter in terms of whether or not war originates? No, not necessarily. My bigger sort of perspective on this, because people say, “Well, okay. If they’re both sides are controlled by the same people.” And again, I think that might be a bit too simplistic way of putting it, but why would they then have, why would they need war at all if they control everything. Well, again, I don’t think they control everything. And besides the point of war is… Has always been to get land resources. I mean, these are the geopolitical imperatives throughout history. But at this stage, the war is not against Russians or Chinese or Iranians or what have you. It is against the people, the free people of the world. That is what we’re talking about in this ideology that we’re talking about. Ideological battle, the eugenics or transhumanism or whatever way it’s being framed in our current timeframe. The real war is against the people that’s governing structures that want to consolidate power over more and more people. How can they best do that? War might be a way to do that. To consolidate control because one of the automatic effects of any war time is everyone rallies around the flag and supports, “Okay, we’ll do what you say.” Obedience becomes immediate and almost universal, which is certainly helpful. Especially, during times of incredible geopolitical, economic, societal, chaos, uncertainty, a lot of things can happen. Clearly, there are some real revolutionary forces that are happening right now, and it’s starting to manifest as, for example, the Freedom Convoy in Canada, whatever you make of that is an expression of people calling out. No, this has to change. Something is really wrong here. And what’s a good way to get people in line? U”h-oh, look at what Russia is doing. Okay. Now everybody, we have to go.” So that’s one way of framing this. But that’s why I actually did a piece on how will World War III be fought a year or two ago. In which I answered that question. I was talking about some of the technology for warfare that has really changed what warfare will look like in the future. In the same way, World War I looked nothing like war of the 19th century. World War II looked nothing like World War I. World War III will not look anything like World War II. But the actual answer is that World War III is already happening. It is a war of the governments of the world against their own populations. And in that war, that’s the real… the gain for all the marbles. So one way of envisioning 2D chess taking place in this 3D chess universe, 2D chess war is 1984. You have Oceania, you have Eurasia, you have East Asia and they’re always at war. Or at least we’re told, we’re at war with Eurasia, no. East Asia? Oh, I got to check the newspaper. Oh, it says Eurasia. Okay. I guess we’re at war with them today. And there’s bombs dropping down and we’re being told it’s well, I guess it’s Eurasia. We’re at war with Eurasia now. Okay. It must be them, I guess. I don’t know. Anyway, we’re at war. So we have to just do what the government tells us. That’s one way of thinking about this. Obviously, I don’t mean it in that literal sense. There will be real bombs dropping in the event of real hot war and they will really kill people. But the idea that this is being waged simply at that 2D level. And that it’s about a nation state versus a nation state rather than control of the general population. I think we have to get out of that mindset of thinking of it at that nation state level. Geopolitics & Empire: And speaking of mindset, I kind of wanted to bring this up. Someone in my telegram, Geopolitics & Empire Telegram channel, chat was saying, “Oh, the Canada trucker convoy is a sigh up by the elites to really take down the supply chain.” And I just kind of wanted to address this issue where, there’s a lot of people on… I’m sure you’re listeners, my listeners and other folks, they have very partisan views and I’ve got my own views, but I’m not banging it over the head of anyone. And as you said, you listen to my last three episodes. And obviously you don’t disagree with these people, but you kind of just sit there and just, listen. And I don’t think there’s a lot of folks that are going about things in a way that I think is not very healthy. They’ll comment, “Oh, no. There’s no virus, stop talk about germ theory.” Others going to say, ‘No, it’s gain of function.” Or Kazakhstan, for example they say, “No, it’s a color revolution.” And you saw my take where I gave a very nuanced view. And today it was reported in Kazakhstan that there were Kazakh citizens trying to tell Kazakh authorities that they’re seeing terrorists and armed groups like months before what was happening. That lends credence to the idea that maybe it was a false flag or an internal coup. And so what would you say? I think it’s like, “Bro chill.” We have to be a bit more respectful and nuanced, and there’s a lot of people that are just angry, hateful. And what are your thoughts on this needing to [crosstalk 00:40:15]. James Corbett: I know what you’re saying. There’s a couple of different things I’d like to say about that. One is never, ever, ever take at face value interactions that you have online with avatars that you don’t see and don’t know. Because we know, 100%, we know that there are armies of social media bots that are being run by militaries and intelligence agencies around the world. Documented on a record. I did a podcast on that a couple of years ago, the weaponization of social media. People can check into for the documented, we know country after country, Canada, America, Israel, all of them have botnets that they employ. So don’t ever take interactions online as authentic expressions of real human beings. We don’t know that, necessarily. But secondarily, there are people I think, who are genuinely acting in and interacting the way that you say. And here’s the way I would frame this. So think about… All right. So I play a bit of guitar and imagine you’re learning guitar and you know three or four chords and someone teaches you a new chord. “Oh, here’s a B7.” Woo B7, awesome. So what do you do as the sort of you’re trying to figure out what, how to play and what to do. And so now you’ve got this new chord. So now you tried to put B7 in every song and everything you play. “Hey, I’m going to use this B7 chord. Wow! Look at this chord.” I understand and it’s a natural part of growing. So unfortunately, as we know, not everyone is intellectually firing on all cylinders and not everyone’s a deep researcher, deep thinker, or what have you. And a lot of people who are just sort of the mainstream masses, who would just consume CNN 20 years ago, now realize it, the very least, okay, CNN’s wrong. And so they start to learn about false flag operations and CyOps and these kinds of things. And so it’s like teaching someone the B7 chord. Okay, B7. So now they’re going to play that. That chord every single time, it’s a CyOps, it’s a CyOps, it’s a false flag. Because it’s the one thing that they know how to do. And so let’s, particularize this to the freedom convoy thing. If people go again and read that editorial, I talk about do not go back to sleep, this is not the end. Of course, I acknowledge absolutely this can go wrong in a lot of different ways, but it always can. You can’t think of any freedom movement or protest or anything that could not be co-opted, could not be corrupted, could not be used for an ulterior agenda. So let’s think truckers, and now suddenly truckers have become synonymous with this freedom movement and it’s all the truckers. And now we’re starting to see people in America and Australia and other places talking about truckers and we’ll have a trucker freedom convoy. It’s all about trucker, trucker, trucker, which is a weird way of particularizing this. No, it’s actually about the broader question of mandates and freedom and what have you. Why is it being particularized to truckers? Well, one way that could play out, what do we know has already been tested and is already being implemented in various ways. Autonomous self-driving trucks specifically. In fact, the first cross country, American autonomous vehicle that I ever heard about actually being tested and used was a truck, specifically for trucking. I mean that’s so long term. If we’re going to demonize a certain class of people in order to facilitate the removal of their industry, essentially, wouldn’t that be a convenient tool? Sure. That’s one way that could play out, at least in the long term. Or at the very least, if we all associate it with the truckers and what the truckers are doing, then it can become only about that particular, that class or that person or that thing. And that could be spun in various ways by the people who are controlling the narrative, the mass media. So, yes, could it be a CyOps a false flag. We’re going to implant some protestors with Nazi flags and Confederate flags. And as people in Canada, of course, they always marching with Confederate flags, right? That’s such so natural, of course, they’ll plant provocateur and all sorts of things. As we know, they have done 2007 SPP protests in Montebello, Quebec. They were caught. The go back provincial place. They facilitated Quebec, put in agent provocateurs to go in there, threatening the police line with rocks in their hands, in order to promote a police response. They got called out, but it happens. Absolutely. And it can happen and presumably will happen in any movement of any size and importance. So, what’s the point of this? There are clearly genuinely hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people in Canada energized and talking about the freedom mandates, not every one of them is an agent provocateur. I’m sure there are many people… Canadians in the crowd, listening to this who know genuine people or they themselves genuinely support what is happening here. In the idea and freedom mandate, freedom. Yay, I’m behind this idea. So it’s up to us to put that message out there and to expose the false flags and CyOps and the way that they will try to spin it into some other narrative. It is not up to us to sit there and wait for the CBC and the CDV and other mainstream outlets to please report this in the way we want you to report it. That’s not their job. In the end of the day, you’re not their boss. So we have to be that. And for this brief sliver of time, think of the vast expanse of human history for the last 20 or so years, it has been genuinely feasible for some no name in Japan, sitting in his living room to reach tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, occasionally millions of people with a message so that we can put our own spin on things and say, “No, no, it isn’t that. It’s this.” We can actually direct this narrative. It is in some ways, the most exciting time in all of human history. And we are not spectators to what’s happening. And we are not on the sidelines analyzing and just, “Oh, B7, B7, B7. False flag, CyOps, CyOps, false flag. No, we are actually people who can make a difference to this world changing historical narrative that is playing out right now. And we can tell that story for ourselves. We don’t have to wait for them to do it. It’s an exciting time to be alive. It’s an incredibly dangerous time. There’s all sorts of things that can happen. But at any rate we have a part to play in this. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah, I would agree. It’s exciting. And it’s what we’re doing. It’s fun and as I’ve mentioned before, I feel like it’s the 1930s, again. It’s incredibly dangerous as well. And you started a great solutions watch series. And I often end my interviews by asking my guests, so what do we do now? And the most frequent answers I get from many of my guests are, decentralized, move from urban to rural. Grow food, have your own water form, a community, very important. Invest in physical assets become less dependent and more independence. And I’m also worried about the cyber pandemic, that’s in the pipe and censorship, I didn’t have time to ask you about that, but it seems like we’re going to have to be dealing with it. They’re discussing, taking down podcasts now, and even the platforming websites, like these are our last lines of defense. I think our podcasts and, and websites, that’s why I moved to epic hosting, but I think part of this Joe Rogan scandal now is they’ve been talking for a signaling for the last few years, the establishment that they want to, they, they can’t control podcasts. So in general, what are some of your… What do we do going forward? James Corbett: Yeah. Thank you for picking up on that actually, because that’s actually, I talked about the midterm agenda of CBDCs and the long term agenda of some sort of hot war. I think the short term is actually cyber. Cyber related, cyber pandemic, or cyber false flag or something along those lines to lead us towards greater control of the internet. So yes, the question as always. Okay, great. Lots of problems we know about the problems, James. What do you do about them? So that is why I did start the solutions watch series where every week, week in and week out, I’m looking at specific things that people can do or apply in their lives to make their lives better. I do not believe there’s a silver bullet. I think there are thousands bullets and not every bullet works for every person, because they have different guns to extend that analogy way too far. But at any rate, use whatever you can to improve your life in whatever ways you can. And hopefully, if people who are consciously setting their intent on getting out of the systems and strictures of control can find ways to do so. And so I look get various ways. So, for example, on the cyber pandemic and the threats to the internet, as we’ve known it and the very real threat to podcasting in the future, I’ve seen that absolutely for the past couple of years. “Oh, no, podcasts. People can say whatever they want. Oh, please, someone censor.” Well, there’s different ways that that can happen. And of them is that the easiest censorship point will be the Spotifys, the Apple Podcast, the Google Pod, of course, all the centralized hubs where people go to get podcasts will be censored, first of all. But that isn’t actually really at base how podcasting even works at base podcasting is based on RSS, Real Simple Syndication, which you do not need to go through the Apple Store or Spotify or whatever, to get a podcast. You can go directly to a website or as long as you have that RSS feed, you can plug that into any number of different applications and you will be able to get that podcast delivered to you. So that’s a one like basic fallback step that we can take. It’s not the solution, but it’s a step away from that centralization of control. Learn about RSS and what it is and how it works. And suddenly even if they take the corporate report or Geopolitics & Empire or of Apple podcasts or whatever, you’ll still be able to get the podcast. Wouldn’t that be nice? So steps like that. And then you build up from there. Okay, well they’re going to come after domains. So is there a way to because the domain name system is like the telephone, a book for the internet. If they take away the telephone book, I won’t be able to call corporate report.com. Well, okay. So what can we do about that? There are decentralized domain ideas, the dot crypto addresses and others that are, do not rely on the DNS system and thus cannot be just scrubbed at the whim of a nation state. Things like that. But then, they’re going to come for the infrastructure of the worldwide web itself. They’re going to make you scanned to get on the web. And so, okay. So can we bypass the ISPs? Can we go, do we need the worldwide web? What about IPFS or some of these other ways of connecting peer to peer? Like, the internet is supposed to be used, but we’ve all just been conditioned into thinking Facebook and TikTok are, is the internet, right? No, no, that is not the internet. So we have to start learning about that. If you’re talking about vaccine mandates, I’ve done an entire post about different ways to protest or fight against or work around vaccine mandates. If you are talking about the CBDC agenda and digital currency and all of this. I’ve talked about cash Fridays or Black Market Fridays, different ways to start increasing your… Decreasing your reliance on digital forms of exchange and increasing and your reliance on things like cash, which still exists for the time being. And we can still use while we still have it, etcetera, etcetera. For everything that we have talked about today, there are things that are being done, there are people that are working on ideas. There are things that you can start implementing in your life today. The only question is, are you interested in that? And if you are then go out there and start finding and let me know about it too, because I’m always looking for ideas for solutions watch. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. No. You also did a episode on RSS, which I remember looking at. All right, apart from Corbettreport.com, is there any other website or project you’re working on that we should know about? James Corbett: I think that’s the place to go. And from there, you can find all of my minds and odyssey, and all my channels and everything, but just go to corbettreport.com for the time being that is the place to go. But also on the sidebar at the very bottom, there’s a Corbett report on IPFS where you can click and you can get the IPFS backup of the Corbett report site. All of the audio and video is backed up. I believe it hasn’t backed up since last April because my site map broke, and I haven’t had time to fix it. I’m going to do that. And when it does it’ll update again. 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Ron Unz provides his analysis on the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. He discusses the possibility of it being deliberate biowarfare by the United States against China and Iran, given it appeared at the peak of America’s global confrontation with China. As a moderately lethal but highly contagious pathogen, it was designed to be an “anti-economy” bioweapon, and the national security state apparatus which carried out the attack likely believed there would be minimal blowback. Watch On BitChute / Brighteon / Rokfin / Rumble / YouTube Geopolitics & Empire · Ron Unz: COVID-19 Was an ‘Anti-Economy’ Bioweapon by the U.S. Against China #257 *Support Geopolitics & Empire! Become a Member https://geopoliticsandempire.substack.comDonate https://geopoliticsandempire.com/donationsConsult https://geopoliticsandempire.com/consultation **Visit Our Affiliates & Sponsors! 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He is a theoretical physicist by training, has worked in the financial services software industry, and became involved in politics and public policy activities. He founded The Unz Review in, I believe, 2013, which garners a lot of traffic, is widely read. Welcome to Geopolitics & Empire, Mr. Unz. Ron Unz: Hey, great to be here. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah, good to have you. And just a few quick announcements before we begin. Tomorrow, actually, I am released from YouTube prison as my second first strike in a row will expire. I’m not sure if I will post this controversial interview with Ron in full on Pentagon too, but listeners know they can find it on all podcast platforms and now the five video platforms of Odyssey, Rumble, Rokfin, BitChute and Brighteon. The brand new website for Geopolitics & Empire has just gone live. You can find it at geopoliticsandempire.com. There’s a new membership option there to help support the podcast and get access to my new brief weekly podcast, commentary, monthly newsletter, private Telegram, and monthly group call with members. All of this, both in English and Spanish. Now, back to Mr. Unz who will be discussing his take on the origins of the pandemic, how deadly he deems the pandemic to be the efficacy of the vaccines, the new cold war with China and so forth. Just real quick. My view is that there is no way any of this to me was natural or accidental or spontaneous given all the evidence we have seen the past few years. I can only interpret the pandemic as a planned event. For me, the question then becomes planned by who, what is the nature exactly of the pandemic and to what end? I initially viewed it as a biological warfare attacked by the west against the east. I also entertained the idea that it could be a biological attacked by the east against the west. But given the global coordination we’ve been seeing lately by all nations against their own peoples, I’m starting to view it as an attack by ruling elites around the globe on their own populations as George Orwell wrote in Nineteen Eighty-Four. I tend to believe that we are not in a pandemic by definition. I question whether there is a virus at all, and that it’s possible many events were manufactured. But I’m still not sure, and I’m of course, open to the idea that there was a gain-of-function, a virus. I view the vaccines as dangerous and possibly as a bio weapon as some people have said such as Francis Boyle. But more importantly for me, I’m afraid that it created a pretext for the installation of a Chinese style, social credit, digital passport kind of system. So those are my 2 cents. I know on the Unz Review, you have given platform to a wide range of views on the matter, which is fantastic and how media should be. Mike Whitney has been a prolific commentator in your site but you disagree with him on many points. So we’re ready for your take on COVID 19. I believe you believe it was a bio warfare by the west against China and Iran among others, that the pandemic health threat is serious, and that there is little evidence demonstrating the vaccines are harmful. I’m not really here to debate, but just for you to give us your data dump. So maybe we can start with the bio warfare aspect. Give us your take, Mr. Unz. Ron Unz: Okay. Well, I mean, my views in some ways probably are much more conventional and closer to the mainstream than some of the issues that you’ve raised. When the epidemic obviously first began, it suddenly appeared in the city of Wuhan, China. And then at first, really nobody knew what was behind it. So obviously after a few months, the conventional wisdom, the establishment opinion settled in it being a natural virus. And that was basically supported by articles that came out in Nature Medicine and science. And the entire media shifted over to that perspective. So in other words, really for about a year, the establishment position in the media was that it was a natural virus that unfortunately leaked into the human population and was devastating the world for that reason. Now, that certainly was possible. But a few months ago, there’s suddenly that, what I guess could be called almost a propaganda bubble ended up bursting. Particularly, a long time science journalist named Nick Wade, who had been editor, science editor at the New York Times and spent decades there came out with a very long and detailed analysis pointing to the fact that there’s very little evidence that’s a natural virus. And if it’s not a natural virus, he argued that the obvious alternative was that it was an artificial virus produced ina laboratory that leaked out of Wuhan, China. Those are the two possibilities that have been widely debated in the media over the last six or eight months, either a natural virus, which was the previous conventional opinion or a lab leak, an artificial virus that leaked out of Wuhan, China. It seems to me, the interesting thing about the debate is that there’s an obvious third possibility, which just as you say has been discussed in fringe areas of the internet from the beginning, but has really been confined to those fringe areas. And the third possibility is that it was a deliberate bio warfare attack. In other words, the virus was biologically engineered to be moderately lethal, but extremely, extremely contagious. So in effect, it was designed to be an anti-economy bioweapon, not an anti-personnel bioweapon and that with the fatality rate of about 0.5 to 1%, obviously it wouldn’t wipe out a population, but it would kill a sufficiently large fraction of the population, and it was so extremely contagious that countries that were infected with it would have to take drastic measures that would disrupt their economy to control it. And that’s exactly what happened in China. In other words, when you’re looking at the details of the original incident in China, the virus appeared in Wuhan, China, according to all of the best estimates towards the end of October or towards the beginning of November. That was patient zero. Now, that would’ve allowed exactly right amount of time for the virus to become an unstoppable epidemic around the time of the Lunar New Year travels in China. In other words, the Lunar New Year is a tremendously important holiday in China. It’s the equivalent of Christmas, New Year’s, and number of other things put together with 450 million Chinese traveling. Wuhan is a key transit hub. So to the extent that the virus became widespread in Wuhan invisibly before the government noticed what was happening and during the lunar New York travels, it would’ve infected the entire country and had a devastating impact in China’s economy. Now, the virus appeared exactly at the peak of America’s global confrontation with China. And the suspicion that the two events connected is really a fairly obvious one. Furthermore, when you look at some of the details of what had been happening in China, the previous two years, in 2018, there was a mysterious viral epidemic that had devastated China’s poultry industry. In 2019, there was a mysterious viral epidemic that appeared in China and destroyed 40% of China’s pig herds, its primary meat source. So we’re talking about a virus appearing in 2018, attacking its food supply. A virus appearing in 2019 attacking another source of food supply, and then a virus appearing at the end of 2019 that could have devastated China’s economy in exactly that sort of way. Now, as it happens, when we look at some of the other events that really would make anybody very suspicious, in 2017, before these viral epidemics began, a man named Robert Kadlec was brought into the Trump administration. For decades, he’d been one of America’s leading bio warfare experts, an advocate of bio warfare as being a very useful and plausibly deniable means of damaging or severely disrupting international adversaries. So he was brought in, in 2017. And then in 2018 and 2019, these food supply viruses inflicted a tremendous amount of damage in China. Furthermore, when we look at the events of 2019, and we’re talking about really ridiculous things, I mean, from January to September 2019, Robert Kadlec’s department ran something called the Crimson Contagion exercise, which was a federal state planning process as to how America officials would guard America from suffering any damage, suffering infection from a respiratory virus that might suddenly appear in China. So we’re talking about Robert Kadlec America’s chief bio warfare expert running this exercise from January to August 2019, and two months later exactly that sort of virus appeared in China. I mean, the coincidences are really absolutely ridiculous. We’re talking about when something is called the Crimson Contagion exercise, it sounds like a bizarre conspiracy theory that was invented on a corner of the internet. The way I found out about it is there was a front page story in the New York Times describing it in all the details. So what we’re talking about are basically a tremendous amount of circumstantial evidence pointing towards America elements of the American national security establishment inflicting a viral epidemic on China for very obvious reasons. In other words, China right now has one of the fastest growing world economies. And in fact, by most measures, it already surpassed America’s economy in size several years ago. How in the world could China be controlled? How could America maintain its dominant position? I mean, China, for example, has a suite of carrier killer missiles, long range missiles that could easily destroy a carrier fleet. We’ve been trying various means to sort of hinder the Chinese economy, damage Chinese companies like Huawei. But when we’re talking about economy that large, growing that rapidly, and these days closely aligned with massive national resources of Russia, I think the only plausible means of dealing China severe blow would be something like a bio warfare attack. So that in a sense was the starting point. When I first, in late January and early February, began hearing of this mysterious virus appearing in the city of Wuhan, I started wondering, and having a few suspicions here and there, but more and more evidence gradually accumulated. I think at this stage, it becomes by far the most plausible scenario, despite the fact that it’s been entirely, entirely avoided by not only the mainstream media, but virtually all of the alternative media as well. The number of alternative media websites that even raise the possibility of the COVID virus being an American bio warfare attack are virtually nil. I mean, I’m not saying none, but I mean virtually none. It just seems very strange when all the evidence obviously points in such an obvious direction. I might as well raise a few more points. Again, this is information that came straight from the mainstream media, from the New York Times that I read very carefully every morning. Soon after the outbreak of the original virus in Wuhan, that virus suddenly jumped 5,000, 3,000 miles to the city of Qom in Iran, the holy city of Qom which was the center of their religious and political elites. Now, if you’re talking about a virus spreading from Wuhan, China, the most logical places you’d to go next would be the other East Asian nations bordering China, and that’s exactly where a few outbreaks did occur. But the virus then suddenly jumped all the way to Iran. And in fact, the headline in the New York Times described Iran as being the the second global epicenter of the virus. Not only that, but it specifically targeted Iran’s political elites. 10% of the Iranian parliament ended up being infected. Some of the top Iranian officials ended up being infected and a number of them died. So we’re talking about a virus epidemic that occurred in Iran just a few weeks after America had assassinated Iran’s top military leader. I mean the whole thing is ridiculous and nobody ended up bringing up any of these points. So we’re talking about the two countries in the world that America was most at loggerheads with at that point were China and Iran. And they were the two countries struck down by this virus. Now, some of the other points you raised in your introduction are some of the suspicions that was spent, especially in certain elements of the alternative media that this is a coordinated plot by most of the governments of the world working together behind the scenes. Now, I can’t rule anything out, but it seems to me really fairly implausible. The idea would be that America, China, Russia, Iran, Israel and all of these other major countries in the world that are ferociously hostile to each other in every particular way would be secretly coordinating their joint use of a virus. Now, anything is possible, but it seems to me that’s a much less likely possibility than a simple case that when a mysterious viral outbreak occurs in China and Iran, when America is most hostile to China and Iran, and America has spent eight months preparing for defense against the viral outbreak before it actually occurred, I think the most likely scenario is simply that it happened exactly the way you’d expect. It’s probably easier to get into some of the questions you could raise about that. But one thing I should say is that once the virus spread to the United States then, the reaction of the Trump administration was so lazy and incompetent, and ignored the whole problem. I think it’s extremely unlikely that Trump himself was aware of what had happened. In other words, he basically claimed the virus didn’t exist. It wasn’t a problem. It would vanish by itself. He was so lackadaisical that we ended up having a massive outbreak in our country. And from that point of view, I think it almost entirely rules out the possibility that he himself had authorized the attack. Now, with most administrations, most countries around the world, the notion of the top leader of a country having not been involved in a major bio warfare attack against the country’s leading international rivals would seem utterly absurd, but America is not a normal country these days. The Trump administration was a very strange administration. If you’ve read some of the accounts that have come out, Trump’s top aides and advisors would often run circles around him. In some cases, they would hide his own executive orders, hoping that he would forget that he’d plan to issue them. So under those circumstances, it’s easy to imagine some of the top national security officials in the Trump administration deciding to deal a body blow to China, America’s leading geopolitical rival, and perhaps also Iran, attack the Iran in leadership, and doing so without Trump’s authorization. Now, my own speculation or foreign speculation would be that all of the elements of the attack probably came from America’s own national security establishment. In other words, the virus had probably been developed Fort Detrick or some other bio warfare facility. The virus was probably taken to China by elements of American special forces or CIA operatives or something like that. All of those individual believed that they were acting with the full authorization of the top American government. While on the other hand, the people actually involved were one notch down from Trump. Probably a small group of officials who decided that they needed to strike a deep blow against China, and they basically authorized the attack on their own with all of the lower level officials, assuming that it had Trump’s authorization, which it didn’t. Then once the attack then caused massive blow back in the United States, I mean, by most estimates, probably about a million Americans have already died. It’s the worst disaster to hit the United States since the Great Depression. It’s the worst worldwide event. The most important worked in worldwide event since the Second World War. So you can easily imagine those officials who were involved in it at the time assuming that they did not intend for it to have blow back inside the United States would now be very, very concerned that their all might be found. So you’d never get them to talk about it. I mean, a million Americans have died from it. And to say, “Oh, we thought it would stay in China.” I mean, that’s not an answer that anybody would accept. I’ll add one more thing. What we have to realize is that America for many years now, I would argue, has been run by its own propaganda ministry. Now, when a country has a very effective propaganda ministry, it has many powerful elements. It’s able to influence the world in ways that countries like China, Russia, whose media is much less dominant are not able to do, but sometimes countries then start believing their own propaganda. For example, one very telling element that came out in late 2019 before the epidemic was at all known by anybody was that international organizations ranked the countries in the world as best being able to cope with the sudden appearance of an epidemic. America was ranked best in the world. America would be more secure against any unexpected epidemic than any country in the world. Britain was ranked number two and China was down around 40 or 50. So under those circumstances, it’s easier to imagine that American national security officials would simply assume that America could control any sort of blowback that occurred here. Furthermore, when the original SARS virus appeared in China, at first, there was obviously a lot of international concern, but it stayed almost entirely in China plus a few other East Asian countries and never had any significant impact in the United States. The same thing with the MERS epidemic, which appeared in the middle East. There was virtually no presence of MERS in the United States. So it’s easier to imagine government officials thinking, well, SARS was no problem. MERS was no problem. If we then launch a bio warfare attack in Wuhan, China, there’s a pretty good chance it’ll devastate the Chinese economy, put them out of business, maybe even cause the overthrow of the Chinese regime, total disruption in their society. While on the other hand, especially if we’ve spent eight months preparing in the Crimson Contagion exercises for coping with any sort of blow back in the United States, we’ll be very prepared and there won’t be any problem. I mean, maybe a few Americans will die, but it won’t be anything on like the devastation that we’re inflicting on China and to some extent Iran. So, I mean, that’s basically the scenario I’m looking at. It’s a very simple straightforward idea. We don’t have to deal with the idea of all these different hostile countries in the world together cooperating. We don’t have to assume that the attack was especially well thought out. It didn’t go through 18 different planning stages in the Pentagon. My guess is it was probably a small group of a handful of conspirators, including probably one or two people near the top of the Trump administration. They then enlisted elements of the national security establishment, carrying it out with all of those individuals, assuming it was a fully authorized operation intended to basically severely damage America’s main geopolitical rival. And under those circumstances, nobody expected it would have the impact in the United States. And then once it had that impact, America has been very, very ineffective at coping with the results because of our own incompetence, I think rather than any deliberate scheme on the part of America’s top leaders. So in a sense, the only part of the scenario in my case that differs from the Orthodox mainstream narrative promoted by the media is that they’ve never considered the third option. They’ve considered there was a natural virus that might be an artificial lab leak, but they’ve never considered that it was the obvious case of a country inflicting a bio warfare attack against another country. And given that America’s had the world’s largest and most active bio warfare program going on 70 years now, and has spent so many billions of dollars. I think the figure is probably $100 billion on bio warfare research and development over the last 40 or 50 years. If build all these bio warfare facilities, at some point, somebody might decide to use them, even if the president isn’t informed. So that’s the rough scenario I’m talking about. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. I think it’s Chekhov’s Gun. At the beginning of the play, if there’s a loaded gun it’s going to go off by the end. A lot of us agree with what you said. Many in the alternative media, Whitney Webb who I’ve interviewed and I’ve long held the same view as you that whatever is going on has come out of the west that it was led by the west. Francis Boyle, I think, would agree that I think he thinks it comes from Fort Detrick or wherever. I just interviewed the Dutch academic, Kees van der Pijl who had a long chapter in his book about the bio warfare stuff that would agree with you. Robert Kennedy, Jr. as you mentioned, also has a big chapter on that and a few others that I’m forgetting. So I would largely agree that whatever’s going on is instigated from the west. I would also mention, you mentioned Crimson Contagion. There’s a lot of other simulations. We had 2017 SPARS simulation. And then I think also in 2019, we had the eventual one in October. You had Urban Outbreak. I think it was also September, October 2019. But it was interesting in September of 2019, the Chinese held in Wuhan, I guess, it was maybe a minor simulation simulating a coronavirus outbreak. So who knows maybe the Chinese caught wind of what was going on and they were doing a simulation to prepare like a contingency. And I would just add that in 2019, I was living in Kazakhstan at the time right near to China and in December of 2019, my whole family and I got a really a bad case of symptoms of like pneumonia or similar to COVID. It was really strong. So again, that would be anecdotal evidence adding to what you’re saying. And then I guess the question would be, if we’re talking about this in the context of the new cold war, biological warfare, you said it was a punch against China’s economy, supply chain. Do you think they met their goal or was it maybe like a first phase? What do they expect? Is there a second phase to this attack? And as well, hasn’t it damaged America’s, and Europe’s, and Canada’s economy and supply chains? Ron Unz: Oh, entirely. I mean, what I should say is that also with regards to those exercises, the Crimson Contagion exercise, the Event 201 exercise, I don’t think there’s any hard evidence that any of the people associated with those exercises were aware of what was happening. In other words, under the scenario I’m talking about, a small group of conspirators decided to launch these attacks. Probably the initial 2018 and 2019 viral epidemics targeting China’s poultry and pork supply were obviously put in place years before. But in terms of the anti personnel attack that occurred in the end of 2019, if a small group of individuals were planning something like this, it’s easy… And they were near the top of the American government. It’s easy to imagine that they just casually shifted other groups into thinking about the idea. It’s not that they would go, for example, to the world economic forum people or these other groups doing the exercise and saying, “We expect we will be launching a bio warfare attack against China in eight months or in a year.” But it’s more that they would urge those people about the dangers of bio warfare, the dangers of the mysterious virus suddenly appearing and suggest that exercise be held to protect America against any unexpected health threat of that type. So in other words, simply because these exercises were organized by a certain group, doesn’t mean that group was at all informed of what was happening. But they probably would’ve been in the general orbit of those people who were informed and were organizing it. And they would’ve simply shifted efforts in that direction so is to protect America. And the end result, I mean, the point about it is the only reason China was able to control the epidemic, I mean, China didn’t even know that the virus was there until right at the end of December. Just a few weeks before the Lunar New Year holiday travels. With Wuhan being a key transit hub for the entire country, if China had not reacted the way it did, the virus would’ve spread throughout the entire country and become endemic and uncontrollable with tremendous disruption for China. The point is China controlled the epidemic through the largest lockdown and unprecedented lockdown in history that was a 700 million Chinese were temporal lockdown throughout the entire country. A lockdown a thousand times larger than the largest lockdown in the history of the world. Nobody would’ve expected the Chinese government to take such incredibly forceful action. They’ve never done anything like that before. And if they hadn’t taken such action, the disease would’ve spread out the entire country with devastating results for China’s society and economy. When the disease then started leaking back into the United States, China had successfully controlled through that sort of lockdown. I think what probably happened was that since America botched the production of its first CDC testing kit and the Trump administrations ignored the problem in hoped it wouldn’t occur here, basically, the disease started spreading here. And since the government didn’t really what to do. Some of the local state authorities starting with actually my own health authority here in Santa Clara County and Silicon valley, and later in California implemented the same sort of lockdown because it had succeeded in China. In other words, if you’re faced with a very highly contagious, dangerous disease, and you don’t know what to do with it, you simply would look at what was happening in China and say that, “Well, if they controlled it, maybe we should take the same action.” I don’t think there was any nefarious aspect to that, that was done. And in fact, at first, the Trump administration was very hostile to the notion of these lockdowns and resisted them initially. But when the disease starts spreading exponentially and it hit New York City so hard very early on, including it killed one of Trump’s friends and it ended up devastating a lot of the elite Wall Street groups and everything like that, there was a feeling that, “Well, we have to do something.” So the lockdown measure was the only thing really anybody could think of. Now, originally, the lockdown was proposed as something that would just last two or three or four weeks. But the problem with the western lockdowns is they weren’t anything like the severe and harsh as the Chinese lockdowns. What the Chinese did was have an extremely, extremely sharp lockdown that lasted for a few weeks and within a month or two, most of the country was back to normal. And within two or three months virtually the entire country was back to normal because they stamped out the virus. The problem with the American lockdowns was that they were so porous, so leaky that they really ended up not being successful. And since they weren’t successful and the government couldn’t think of anything else to do, the government continued the lockdowns off and on. Turning them on, turning them off for really most of a year. So we ended up getting the worst of both worlds. We ended up having severe damage to our society and our economy because of the disruptions caused by the lockdowns while still probably about a million Americans died. I mean, the disease spread out their entire country and probably about half of the American population ended up getting infected or something like that. So it ended up being a total disaster for the United States. But I don’t think it was an intentional disaster. The fact that the government kept on changing its position. First, they were opposed to lockdowns. Then they supported lockdowns. Some states had them, some states didn’t. I mean, that’s the sort of total disorganization you’d expect from a very incompetently run government that doesn’t really know what to do, rather than a sort of centrally planned diabolical scheme to impose totalitarianism on the United States. I think basically what we’re looking at is tremendous American incompetence, which we’ve seen in a lot of other areas. I mean, the fact that when we left… I mean, there are flights from Afghanistan. It’s got to be one of the most humiliating things any major countries suffered. We were there for 20 years. We left, we thought the regime would last at least six months or a year, and it fell in five days, 10 days, something like that. A totally humiliation. So the fact that basically America’s government is so incompetent, so many different ways today, I think makes it much more plausible that they were incompetent with regard to stamping out the virus and most western governments have had exactly the same sort of problem. So that’s basically my take. It’s not malevolence for most of these government officials except for probably a tiny handful were involved in the bio warfare plot. I think it’s more just total incompetence. Geopolitics & Empire: So if this was a bio warfare attack against China and the east, and China knows this, do you think there will be further consequences now? So we’ve seen like everyone’s economies basically damaged. So do you think this will increase the chances of an escalation of a conventional or even unconventional conflict with China, nuclear war. There’s this talk about Taiwan and we’re seeing what’s happening with China’s ally Russia in Ukraine now. Do you think this bio war will increase the possibility of greater conflict in the near future? Ron Unz: Well, I mean, certainly we’re right now in a very dangerous situation with both China and Russia with the Ukraine and with Taiwan, but I don’t think those are directly connected with what I strongly suspect was a bio warfare attack. First of all, there’s no proof it was an American bio warfare attack. I doubt whether the Chinese have any hard proof. In other words, it seems very plausible. Anybody can look at these pattern of events and a few more things I can also discuss, but it’s very different to have very strong suspicions of what happened and have actual proof of it. And since America and the west totally dominates the world media, if the Chinese level those sorts of accusations, unless they had hard proof, if I think everybody would basically just consider it was Chinese insanity and that’s how the American media were portrayed. In fact, one of the interesting things that I discovered… As I said, the fact that the virus jumped so rapidly in just a few weeks from Wuhan, China to the holy city of Qom in Iran and hit the political elites in Iran, the only political elites in the world that have suffered such severe damage right after we assassinated Iran’s top military official, when that happened, I really thought myself months or a year later, why didn’t the Iranians suspect anything? It seems so obvious what had happened. And then I discovered not only that the Iranians believed it was a bio warfare attack, but they publicly accused the United States of launching a bio warfare attack. Their media outlets said they believed the COVID outbreak in Iran was an American bio warfare attack directed against their government for obvious reasons. In fact, the former president of Iran filed a formal complaint with the United Nations accusing America of having launched a bio warfare attack, but nobody in the west ever heard about it because the west controls the international media. Even though it was covered in the Iranian media and the Iranian top officials accused America, nobody in America found out of it. It was never in the New York Times. It was never in the mainstream media. In fact, the very few people, even in the alternative media are aware that Iran specifically accused America launching a bio warfare attack. And in some respects, I think Iranian media is stronger globally than Chinese media. The Chinese media is much more insulated. It’s obviously very dominant in China, but it’s really not very strong around the rest of the world. So I think if China made these sorts of accusations, they would be ridiculed as being totally ridiculous just the way the Iranian accusations have been ridiculed, and denounced as ridiculous. So the other way of looking at it also is that according to all the estimates we have, the Chinese suffered a few thousand dead, I think about three or 4,000 dead from the virus. Almost no damage to their economy. Life in China went back to almost entirely normal within two or three months after the outbreak. And for two years now, life in China has been basically what it was before the outbreak. Though every now and then, there are small new outbreaks that they have to crack down on particular cities. Meanwhile, America suffered a million dead and our society has been devastated. Now, if the Chinese wanted to punish America for having launched this attack against them, what more could they do? I mean, America suffered a million dead. I mean, we basically had tremendous disruption in our societies. Most Americans spent a year or two years, much of it under lockdown. I mean, I can’t think of anything more that anybody could do to us. So it’s the old story of if you launch an arson attack against, for example, your neighbor’s house, but he puts down the fire and it spreads to your house and burns down your own house, your neighbor may be angry at you, but your house has been burned down. So it’s not really clear what more he could inflict on you. It’s not just America. The whole west has been devastated. I mean, basically the Western world, America, Britain, Italy, France, Spain, Germany, all of our NATO allies have been hit very hard by this virus. And it might come back again. I mean, it’s perfectly possible there might be another strain that would appear, that would inflict a fifth wave on American society while the Chinese have suffered almost nothing at all. So it it’s clear right now, there is certainly the danger of war with China or war with Russia over Ukraine or over Taiwan. But those are the flash points rather than this possibility of America having launched a bio warfare attack against China. In any event, it wasn’t something done by the American government. I mean, a sign of how… Under the scenario, I’m talking about a sign of how disorganized and incompetent the government has become, the American regime has become is that if this attack occurred, it occurred without the approval of the top American political leadership, which is… I mean, something like that is almost unthinkable in modern world history. I can’t think of any situation where this sort of attack would’ve been launched by one country against a major rival without the top leadership of that country. Even being aware of what had happened. And Trump’s behavior, I mean, makes me extraordinarily skeptical that he was aware of what was happening when the virus came back to the United States. Geopolitics & Empire: We’ve seen clips where they were at press conferences, and I think people will remember Trump turns to Mike Pompeo saying… They were talking about something about a live exercise and Trump is like, “You didn’t tell me about this.” And so that confirms what you’re saying. One thing that comes to mind was I don’t know if you’ve seen it, but Whitney Webb and others have talked about the 2010 Rockefeller lockstep report, which predicts in 2010… Robert Kennedy and others have documented that they’ve been running these pandemic simulations for two decades now. So there was this Rockefeller report in 2010 saying that a virus would come out of China and that China would react as you laid out that they have very quickly, very harshly locking down and stopping the virus. The report was been basically saying that the rest of the world should do the same, and that the rest of the world starts to implement measures that remain permanent, that don’t go away. And that many other countries follow China’s model and the west starts to become more authoritarian. In my biggest fear now, we have these digital passports. I mean, just to get your thought on these digital passports, it seems like they’re not going to go away. So then we’re going to need permission to do everything based on these passports. There’s people now in another state here in Mexico, you can’t go into a supermarket without the passport that verifies that you’ve been… You can’t buy food unless you’ve been vaccinated. You can’t go to the park unless you’ve been vaccinated. In Italy, pensioners can’t go into the bank to get their pension unless they’ve got the digital passport. I’m afraid of this because I feel later things can be added to this if it’s not taken away, other require besides vaccines. So have you thought about this part like the vaccine passports? Ron Unz: With regard to the vaccination issue, I mean, as far as I can tell, based on what I’ve read in the media and what I followed, I mean, the vaccines seem ineffective at preventing infection or transmission of the virus, but they do seem to drastically reduce the lethality of the virus if you do become infected. So overall, I think probably it’s perfectly logical that the government would support these vaccination efforts the way they have. I don’t have any strong feelings about that. In other words, I think probably these vaccination mandates are a bad idea and also an illogical one, since the vaccines aren’t really all that effective in preventing people from becoming infected or transmitting the virus, but only in a sense help the individual person from surviving the virus. It seems to me forcing people to become vaccinated doesn’t make much sense since it’s not really communal good, it’s more of a personal issue. And if people don’t want to become vaccinated and end up getting much, much more sick or even die as a consequence, that in a sense is more of their own decision to make. I certainly agree that the way the government has handled this has been very disorganized and counterproductive. It’s perfectly possible that these vaccines are much more dangerous than past vaccines especially because they’ve undergone so little testing compared to traditional vaccination policies. But on the other hand, and it’s also very possible that certain elements of Americans society or the American government or the American economy might take advantage of this crisis for their own ends. So for example, some of these restrictions being opposed, or for example, the fact that the crisis was used to open the spigots of the federal reserve and boost the stock market incredibly. I mean in a ridiculous way. I mean, trillions of dollars flowing into the stock market. I mean, that certainly was a bad policy in the part of the American government. I think it reflects the power of some of these groups that were able to take advantage of the crisis to implement these policies. But that’s a long way from saying that they were actually behind the policy, behind the crisis in the first place. And to give you an example, when the financial meltdown took place in 2008, the Wall Street mortgage bubble, a lot of these same groups were able to get massive bailouts of the financial services industry. They didn’t create the financial crisis, but they were able to use their political power to bail out all their banks and other organizations and basically take advantage to get trillions in federal funding. So just because somebody takes advantage of a crisis doesn’t necessarily mean they had anything to do with fostering it. And the fact that America, for example, had had these training exercises for a number of years, I mean, in some ways once the SARS epidemic broke out in China in 2002, 2003 with a very highly lethality rate, I think it was probably 15% lethal or 20% lethal. It only basically, fortunately didn’t spread very rapidly and it was only contagious after somebody showed symptoms. So that’s the reason they were able to stamp it out. But once you have a deadly virus like that appearing in China, it seems not entirely implausible that World Health Organization or the international bodies you mentioned would consider the possibility of future viruses appearing, especially after MERS appeared then, I think around 2007, 2008. So it’s not totally surprising that some of these organizations would’ve organized plans or exercises in 2010 or 2012 or 2014 to cope with the same sort of thing. The example I was citing though was a very specific exercise that was held in the United States by our chief bio warfare expert from January to August 2019 to deal with the outbreak of respiratory virus that would appear in China and that respiratory virus appeared in China two months after the end of the exercise. So when you’re talking about coincidences, that’s much sharper than something that might have happened in 2010 or 2012. There’s actually one other example I should cite, which I think personally represents the closest thing we have to a smoking gun in the entire situation. And that’s once America showed itself entirely enable to cope with this massive disaster in the country. In other words, when tens of thousands of Americans were becoming infected and dying, when the Trump administration couldn’t figure out what to do, and when the media, which was obviously very hostile to Trump, was ferociously attacking him on all those grounds, then ABC News came out with a very interesting story. Four American intelligence officials went to ABC News and explained to them that the disaster that we were suffering was not their fault, not the fault of the American intelligence community, but the fault of the top political leaders like Donald Trump. What they said was they themselves had produced a secret intelligence report, which they distributed to Trump and all of our top officials describing a dangerous, possibly catastrophic disease epidemic breaking out in Wuhan, China, and that it was the fault of Trump and our top officials who didn’t take that report seriously and didn’t do anything to cope with the disaster, which is exactly what intelligence officials do. They would want to cover selves by saying it wasn’t they who were asleep at the switch, it was Trump or the top government officials. That story got on ABC. It got a lot of attention. I think it ended up getting 1,800 comments. It was massively covered in the media. And then suddenly somebody noticed something. The date at which the report had been distributed was November. November was before anybody was aware of the outbreak in Wuhan, China. The Chinese government didn’t become aware of it until over a month later. Most of the estimates when people have tried to back in when patient zero occurred, most of the estimates based on the epidemiological and genetic studies that they’ve done show the patient zero, the first person infected in Wuhan, China probably occurred towards the end of October or the beginning of November. So that secret government report by the American defense intelligence agency that was distributor, top leaders was produced before anybody was aware of the outbreak in China. Now, once people realized that, immediately the Defense Intelligence Agency announced that the report didn’t exist. Even though it had four intelligence sources who revealed its existence to ABC news, and it had been promoted very heavily. They said, “Nope, it was a false report. The report never existed.” But then Israeli TV, a couple of weeks later came out with a report saying, “Of course the report existed. It had been sent to Israel. It had been sent to our NATO allies and the report had been produced in the second week of November.” So we’re talking about a report, a secret government report by the Defense Intelligence Agency describing a potentially catastrophic disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan, China when there were probably five or 10 people in a city of 11 million who’d so far become infected and were just starting to feel a little bit sick. There was absolutely no way the American government could have known of it. So under those circumstances, when the Defense Intelligence Agency distributes a secret intelligence report, warning of a catastrophic disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan China, before there is a catastrophic disease outbreak in Wuhan, China, that seems awfully close to a smoking gun. And again, it reinforces the idea that those elements of the American government that had been behind the attack decided to further strengthen America’s defenses by probably leaking the report to some people in the Defense Intelligence Agency saying that they had some secret intelligence, that there was some sort of disease outbreak going on in Wuhan, China, and that we should gird our defenses against it. So in other words, we had planning exercises for what happened. We had a secret intelligence report for what happened. We were preparing. Our elements of our government were preparing themselves as much as possible to cope with the threat of a disease outbreak. But when it actually happened, the rest of our government was just so incompetent and lackadaisical that those efforts really had no impact at all. Oh, and one other thing I should mention, another remarkable coincidence, and this came out very early towards the end of January. Wuhan, China as a city that most Americans have probably never heard of, and I’d certainly or heard of until the outbreak took place. It’s a large city. It would be the equivalent of a Midwestern city like Chicago that doesn’t have the visibility of a New York or San Francisco, but it’s certainly a major transit hub. Now, it turns out, again, the epidemiological and genetic mutational evidence tends to show that patient zero, the initial outbreak occurred towards the end of October or the beginning of November. And that was known fairly early on. That was the estimate people focused on. And then it turns out, I found out from a Chinese blogger that right towards the end of October, Wuhan had been host to the international military gain in which 300 American military officers participated along with thousands of servicemen from around the world. So we had 300 American servicemen going to Wuhan, China and exactly at the time when they were there is when the initial disease outbreak seems to have occurred. Now, there have been some statements, some claims that for example, some of them may have been infected. Some of the participants may have been infected and there seems very, very little evidence of that. In fact, almost no evidence at all. But on the other hand, if you have thousands of military servicemen from around the world including 300 Americans participating in the military games in Wuhan, China, doing sightseeing in the city and everything like that, that would’ve been an ideal opportunity for America to have slipped a couple of operatives into that group who would then have surreptitiously released the virus. So in other words, normally China is more of a close aside and it’s not easy to probably send operatives there to release the virus in the major city, especially a city like Wuhan, which doesn’t have the high profile of Shanghai or Beijing. But if you have thousands of military servicemen from all over the world in that city, traveling around sightseeing, that would be the absolutely ideal cover to do something like that. So maybe it’s an entire coincidence, but we are talking about a situation if 300 Chinese military servicemen had visited Chicago and immediately after they left, we suddenly had a mysterious viral outbreak in that city, a lot of Americans would be extraordinarily suspicious. So we’re talking about putting together all of these different strands. And I think most of these strands, the fact that there seemed to be so much preparation that was done on America’s part to prepare against such an outbreak leaking back into the United States tends to decrease the likelihood that any sort of outbreak in the United States was intentional. Anyway, we’re talking about basically China being hit, Iran being hit, and then the virus spreading to these other European countries. It’s not clear why anybody would want to hit Italy or hit Spain or hit Britain. And I think those outbreaks were exactly what they seemed to be. In other words, when you look at a country like Italy, the outbreak took place in Northern Italy, Lombardy area where there are 300,000 Chinese living and working. And it occurred right after Chinese Lunar New Year. So probably hundreds or thousands of them had traveled home, many of them to Wuhan and it come back to Italy and then naturally they spread the virus there. In the same way, the virus then broke out in Spain and there are 150,000 Chinese living in Spain there. So you’d expect it to happen there. While on the other hand, the whole Iran has one of the world’s lowest Chinese populations, only a few thousand Chinese live in Iran, and almost all of them live in Tehran, the large capital city. Very few of them in Qom. While on the other hand, it was the holy city of Qom where the disease suddenly broke out. So you really would have to say that if you were producing a list of the most likely cities, where an outbreak in Wuhan, China would soon spread. You’d expect cities in East Asia, if you realize that 300,000 Chinese are living and working in Lombardy, you might expect it to go to Italy. You might expect the United States because we have a large Chinese population. But probably the holy city of Qom would be absolute lowest on your list around the world for the disease to suddenly spread there. And that’s the second place it appeared after Wuhan, China, targeting China’s political and military elites right after America assassinated Iran’s top military leading. So in the same way, just as you were saying about war with China, I just can’t see the Chinese feeling that anything like that is necessary after the devastation that we’ve suffered. And then the same way with Russia. I mean, Russia has suffered very much from the outbreak as well. I think mostly because it leaked into that country. But the flash point with Russia right now is over the Ukraine obviously. So I think basically America, elements of the American government were probably involved in the attack. It backfired horrendously. It’s the worst blowback in the history of the human species. It’s probably worse than every other example of blowback in world history combined. I think the sooner that America admits and the sooner the American media starts recognizing what probably happen, I think the sooner we may start realizing that bio warfare weapons that we’ve probably spent $100 billion on over the years are just too dangerous to have around. And they’re a very bad thing to put in the hands of people that could end up using. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. And just on your point about black operations, I mean that’s how they work. We can see in many historical examples of whether it’s the CIA’s shenanigans during the Cold War or Operation Gladio by NATO, they’re usually carried out by small groups who are in the know while the rest of the, as you said, governmental apparatus does not know about them. I guess, given everything that you’ve laid out, how do you see the pandemic ending? Will it ever end? Where do we go from here? You commented on the military aspect. You don’t think there will be a military war with China. But do you see any other fallout, whether political, social, or economic? Where do we go from here? Ron Unz: Well, it’s very difficult to tell what direction things will go. I mean, we’re talking about, again, I think, the most impactful global events since Second World War something far greater than any other event. The disruption to our society, just as you say, all these vaccine in passports, the tremendous changes taking place, it’s very difficult to say where things will go even if there are no additional strains of the virus that end up producing additional waves. I mean, it’s very difficult to say. One thing I really should say is that it is a little bit shocking to me that both the mainstream and so much of the alternative media have refused to even consider these possibilities. I mean, just to give an example, a few weeks ago I ended up looking… The Wall Street Journal had a full page of book reviews on all the major books that have come out right now, looking at the possible origins of the virus. Most of them now focus on the lab leak hypothesis. That seems to be where most of them are heading, a manmade virus that leaked out of the Wuhan lab. But none of them, none of them even raised the possibility of a deliberate bio warfare attack, despite all of this evidence that I’ve laid out. And that’s even true of the alternative media. I mean, an awful lot of alternative media people seem very reluctant to simply raise these possibilities, partly because it might be too worrisome that if America basically… I mean, 20 million people probably have died around the world, probably 4 million people in India, a million people in the United States. I mean, we’re talking about a massive disaster that very likely was due to rogue elements of the American government of Donald Trump. And the irony is that you have all of Trump’s enemies in the media who’ve attacked him on every possible ground. The fact that he sent out a nasty tweet against somebody at 2:00 AM. But they’ve been very determined to avert their eyes from the very real likelihood that some of the people he hired and put into place at the top of administration were involved in these disastrous bio warfare attack that has killed a million Americans. So it seems to me first stage is for people at least to start discussing this issue. I’ve done what I can for 20 or 22 months now. I’ve written a series of articles. And the fact one other thing I should mention, which is quite intriguing is when my first article in the series came out, which was an April of 2020, it ended up getting massive media attention, more page views than anything I’d written for many, many years. And within days, our entire website was suddenly deranked by Google and we were banned by Facebook. So obviously, when you’re entirely deranked from Google and banned by Facebook, getting subsequent information out is proven much more difficult. And it could be that quite a lot of people look at that sort of pattern and say that they consider it something that they like to avoid discussing for fear of getting kicked off YouTube or kicked off Twitter or ban. Then a number of people told me flat out that they’re reluctant to discuss this with me on their podcasts because it could have negative impact on their career or something like that. Again, those are personally valid, personal reasons to have, but I mean we are talking about something that’s killed a million Americans that’s devastated the world. One reason I think the media is so reluctant even to raise these issues is that the circumstantial and even more than circumstantial evidence for an American bio warfare attack is so overwhelmingly strong. The fact that hit China and Iran right when we were in international confrontation with China and Iran. The fact that we have the world’s largest and most long-term bio warfare program. I mean, we’d had these exercises to guard against bio warfare blowback right before the bio warfare attack occurred. I mean, if the media ended up discussing any of these things, I think very quickly an awful lot of Americans would decide that they were probably true or reasonably likelihood and the whole thing would unravel. So in other words, nobody wants to be the first person to go first on something like that, which is why I think it’s up to the alternative media to try to at least get these ideas into circulation so that the mainstream media will have to at some point cover them or explain why they’re not covering them. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. I was just going to comment on the censorship issue. I mean, I was the first to do the interview with Boyle in January. I think I published it January 29 or 30th of 2020 and it was my biggest video. 300,000 views on YouTube. I would’ve hit a million and Google deleted it. It’s still deleted. And that hurt my growth for the podcast because if it would’ve kept going viral, it would’ve helped the podcast grow, but it’s still banned. But I see now on YouTube there are more videos, a few more videos discussing what we’re talking about that are on YouTube. But in general, I think the pandemic allowed them to exercise an insane amount censorship, I mean, just this crazy that we haven’t seen before, de-platforming the president and mentioning Google ranking. So my new website just went live on Friday, the weekend and I noticed on the Google search engine when I type in Geopolitics & Empire, it does not appear at all. Ron Unz: Exactly, exactly. Geopolitics & Empire: At all. And then I go to DuckDuckGo, Swisscows, Qwant, Yandex and you get the website. My website is at the top and all of my other channels, but on Google, it’s just gone. I don’t exist. It’s insane. Ron Unz: Exactly. In fact, one thing that happened to me, and at that time deranking wasn’t as common as, since began. So I was shocked when it happened. I’d actually done a lot of writing on racial and ethnic issues over the years. And one of my articles on crime rates, Hispanic crime rates had spent 10 years as the number two ranked article in Google out of 200 million articles. So we’re talking about something as large as anything. If you Google the word communism, you get something like 150 million pages while Hispanic crime, you get 200 million. And it was ranked number two all those years. And I really was quite proud of it. Google disappeared it. And in fact for about six or eight months afterwards, it was still ranked number one or number two on DuckDuckGo and Bing. But it then a few weeks ago I checked and it disappeared from those as well. So in other words, we’re talking about a situation where certain [inaudible 01:01:11], certain gatekeepers on the internet can basically make whatever they want disappear, vanish from trace. And it’s really very unfortunate situation. That’s obviously happening to more and more people these days and becoming more of really a factor. To give another example, a Pulitzer surprise winner, one of the authors we’ve published, Sydney Schanberg, you might or might not know his name. He’s the guy who wrote the book that became The Killing Fields movie. He won a Pulitzer surprise. He was a top editor at the New York Times. The Killing Fields is one of those classic Vietnam war movies probably won an Oscar and everything like that. His article that we ran, it had to do with some of the background of John McCain. And it had been ranked always near the top of all the search engines for all those years and then suddenly it was disappeared. If you go on it, neither our website or any other website has that article there. When you have a situation where a lot of things can be kept quiet, you sometimes end up with very unfortunate developments happening like this. And that’s why I think it’s really the responsibility of the alternative media to start pressing these issues as much as possible to really force more people in the mainstream media to at least consider them. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. And they’ve effectively put us in what my past guest historian, Edwin Black has called the algorithm ghetto. I have one just last question that maybe slightly off topic, but for me, it’s also important. I’m curious about the Unz Reviews, I guess, view or perspective ideology. Here in Geopolitics & Empire, I talk to everyone kind of like what you do from the left and Marxists to conservatives, to the right, libertarians and many others who don’t fall into a cute little category. And the vast majority of listeners love the fact that I have such a wide variety of guests. But with each episode I will get complaints about why I interviewed this commie or that right-winger, I simply don’t care because it would be boring to pigeonhole myself into a single category. I think you do something similar on unz.com. In the about section on your website, it says, “You are neither right wing or left wing, but are both.” Could you speak to this and to the importance of listening to all viewpoints? Ron Unz: Oh, exactly. In other words, basically we build ourselves as an alternative media website. In other words, we basically try to provide a mix of views from the right right wing, left wing, libertarian, all sorts of different perspectives. And in fact, many of those perspectives to be honest are perspectives that I, myself may not very much agree with both on some of these racial or ethnic issues. And also for example on some of these vaccination issues. So we’d really try to offer as much of a broad spectrum of alternative perspectives as possible. I’d say probably if I had to go through it, I’d say probably about 40% to 50% of our writers would be more classified as being on the right wing or conservative side, probably 30 to 40% on the left wing side and then maybe another 20% or so difficult to characterize, or libertarian, or so mixed with so many different views. It would be hard really to put in the category. In some ways, I would put myself in that same category. In other words, over the years… In the past, I actually had been much more heavily involved with the mainstream media. I published quite a lot in the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal or various right wing magazines or The Nation on the left wing and that sort of thing. So I’ve really always tried to look at issues on a case by case basis and draw my own conclusions based on where the evidence goes with my scientific background being what drives me. So most recently in the last three or four years, I’ve really started something that I call the American Pravda Series, which has been really a very long series. It probably runs by now around three or 400,000 words. It’s counting all the articles in dozens and dozens of articles. It’s been viewed many millions of times, and it really deals with a lot of the historical or other elements of American history for which there’s a tremendous amount of solid evidence if you probe into it, but which is often ignored by the American media. In some ways it functions as a counter narrative as I say, of the last 100 years of Western history, going back to the First World War, The Great Depression period, the Second World War, the more recent events since then. Some incidents that sometimes put in the conspiracy theory category like the Kennedy assassinations or the 9/11 attacks. Issues of the Second World War, or most recently, obviously the COVID outbreak, which I think there is quite a lot of evidence was probably an American bio warfare attack against China and Iran. So in effect it deals with things that are covered by the media I view in a very skewed way and tries to go through the original sources and come up with a different perspective. In some ways, it’s certainly by far the longest and most comprehensive thing I’ve ever published. And even though the individual articles cover all these different areas, the common theme is that the mainstream history and the mainstream media can often not be trusted on controversial issues. Geopolitics & Empire: All right. Yeah. I think I’ve read some of those I read on Unz from time to time. Is there any final thought for us? Ron Unz: Not really. I’m just hoping that… I’ve actually done very few… This is one of my first video podcasts and it was suggested to me that even though I spent most of my time writing articles, probably getting these ideas out via podcasting with some of the podcasters like you and others might be a useful means of spreading the ideas into circles that would be less likely to read some of my detailed articles. Also, the other thing about is sometimes when these ideas are presented orally or verbally, or visually, certain aspects come across that might be missed in a dry written narrative. So in the past almost all of my work has been done either in written form or five or 10 years ago. I sometimes used to be on cable a certain amount of time, but I mean this is a new experience to me and I’m really hoping to get a little bit more comfortable with it and get it out to a wider audience. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. I’m always trying to find a guest that no one is talking to. I’m kind of bored. There’s a lot of people that do their podcast and I’m like, “He’s just going to tell me the same thing that he’s told to 10 other podcasts.” I’m trying to find diamonds in the rough. I’ve had a number of guests that have been the first time they spoke with me was their first video podcast. So I’m always trying to find new interesting people. This is kind of like the market. Like as you said, podcasting is growing and whether it’s just the audio or half of the people listen to just the audio version of this or the other half the video. And so that’s becoming popular. And just as you said, there are things that you get from the audio or the video that you don’t get from the text. Apart from unz.com, are there any other websites or books or projects we should know about or just go to the website? Ron Unz: Well, I mean the website really would be sort of the main place for them. A lot of what we publish is simply material that we syndicate from other websites, right wing websites, left wing websites, independent bloggers, that sort of thing. We also publish a lot of material ourselves. And also one thing I’d actually done, and that, I actually been what I’d spent most of the early 2000s working on, is to build up a massive content archive library of America’s leading periodicals of the last 150 years. In other words, what I ended up doing was digitizing a couple of hundred of America’s leading opinion publications of the last 150 years. The complete archives, for example of publications that are still around like The Nation or The New Republic or Harper’s, and then publications like Century Magazine or The Forum, or for example, Saturday Review, which were very important and dominant 50, or 60, or 80 years ago, but are forgotten right now. One of the reasons I ended up actually starting on the American Pravda Series is as I started going through those archives, I really discovered that much of my understanding of American history from 50 or 60 years ago, what I’d studied in my college courses or in reading books was very misleading. And when you actually read the articles, the articles that were published by America’s leading periodicals of 80 or a hundred years ago, they sometimes present a picture of history that’s very different than what would you get in today’s current media or in your college textbooks. So that started me really thinking more about how there might be a lot of factual information out there that was simply unaware of, and that led me to start investigating a lot of these other historical issues, which I ended up putting into my series. So in other words, right now, the website has probably about a million or 2 million articles from all of these old publications available at your fingertips and they used to be much more easily available on Google, but since we’ve been deranked from Google, they’re harder to find. Though, in many cases, this website is the only source of them anywhere on the internet. So people still find them because even if you’re deranked and at the bottom of all of the Google searches, if there’s nothing else, anywhere else on the internet, you can still find it that way. Also, I’ve ended up digitizing quite a number of more recently published books of various controversial nature in a number of different subjects. So the website is really very large. I mean, we probably get, oh, I think it’s probably about 20 or 30 million words of comments a month, something like that. So we get thousands of comments a day and many of the comments are very substantive. I’ve actually built the website myself. I’m a software developer by recent background. So a lot of the features on the website are fairly unique, I think, make it much more useful for extended discussions that sometimes can go 200,000 words or 150,000 words, just to give you one example. I’m somebody very skeptical of a lot of the anti-vaccine arguments that are out there, about the vaccines being very dangerous and I ended up actually doing a lengthy interview expressing skepticism which generated 200,000 words of mostly very hostile comments and critiques, and then was continued in two additional open threats on the same subject. So after about a month of that, we were actually were told that we probably had 2 million words written by anti-vaxxers on our website, which probably made it the single largest repository of anti-vaccine argument anywhere in the internet, even though I disagreed with the ideas involved. So the whole thing about it is we try to be very open to all these different perspectives and people look in the website. They can see the different perspectives that we host, including my own. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. It’s very active. As you said, you’ve been nuked off of Facebook and deranked on Google. Hopefully they don’t nuke the website. There’s been talk now of… That’s the final frontier trying to take down websites and with the whole Joe Rogan Spotify thing now. They’ve been in the last few years, putting out the establishment, putting out articles. They’re angry that they can’t touch podcasts. They’ve set their eyes on trying to take us down, podcast, but we’ve got the godfather of podcast, Adam Curry, I think he’s working to make podcast Bulletproof to create a network to protect podcasts. So hopefully they can’t get to us, touch our websites or our podcasts. All right. So everyone be sure to bookmark unz.com. As I said, I often read material from there. In the description, I’ll leave a few key links that will lead listeners to key articles about what we’ve been talking about. It will give important background information. Again, Mr. Unz, thank you for being on Geopolitics & Empire. Ron Unz: Hey, great to be here. Geopolitics & Empire: I hope you enjoyed this Geopolitics & Empire podcast. The website is geopoliticsandempire.com. I encourage you to sign up for the free email list that goes out with each podcast and every weekend with a collection of news headlines. The newsletter and website are our last lines of defense. We’re being censored and de-platformed. 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About Ron Unz A theoretical physicist by training, Mr. Unz serves as founder and chairman of UNZ.org, a content-archiving website providing free access to many hundreds of thousands of articles from prominent periodicals of the last hundred and fifty years.  He also served as publisher of The American Conservative, a small opinion magazine, from 2006 to 2013 and had previously served as chairman of Wall Street Analytics, Inc., a financial services software company which he founded in New York City in 1987.  He holds undergraduate and graduate degrees from Harvard University, Cambridge University, and Stanford University, and is a past first-place winner in the Intel/Westinghouse Science Talent Search.  He was born in Los Angeles in 1961. He has long been deeply interested in public policy issues, and his writings on issues of immigration, race, ethnicity, and social policy have appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Commentary, The Nation, and numerous other publications. In 1994, he launched a surprise Republican primary challenge to incumbent Gov. Pete Wilson of California, running on a conservative, pro-immigrant platform against the prevailing political sentiment, and received 34% of the vote.  Later that year, he campaigned as a leading opponent of Prop. 187, the anti-immigration initiative, and was a top featured speaker at a 70,000 person pro-immigrant march in Los Angeles, the largest political rally in California history to that date. In 1997, Mr. Unz began his “English for the Children” initiative campaign to dismantle bilingual education in California.  He drafted Prop. 227 and led the campaign to qualify and pass the measure, culminating in a landslide 61% victory in June 1998, effectively eliminating over one-third of America’s bilingual programs.  Within less than three years of the new English immersion curriculum, the mean percentile test scores of over a million immigrant students in California rose by an average of 70%.  He later organized and led similar initiative campaigns in other states, winning with 63% in the 2000 Arizona vote and a remarkable 68% in the 2002 Massachusetts vote without spending a single dollar on advertising. After spending most of the 2000s focused on software projects, he has recently become much more active in his public policy writings, most of which have appeared in his own magazine. *Podcast intro music is from the song “The Queens Jig” by “Musicke & Mirth” from their album “Music for Two Lyra Viols”: http://musicke-mirth.de/en/recordings.html (available on iTunes or Amazon)

Jeff Nyquist discusses the work of KGB defectors such as Anatoly Golitsyn and Yuri Bezmenov who warned that the Communists in the East (e.g. Russia and China) were playing a strategic long-game against the West, where they would feign collapse, and ultimately come back to destroy Europe and the United States. The 1920s Soviet counter-intelligence Operation Trust was an early example of this. The Sino-Soviet split had been faked. The Soviets had infiltrated the major opposing intelligence services and fed them false information. 94% of Golitsyn’s predictions came true, including his forecast that China and Russia would emerge stronger than the West and change the military balance. He views the pandemic as a biological attack on the West, which is destroying the economy. Golitsyn ultimately believed that there would be convergence between the East and West into one global and universal Marxist-type system. In this new world, China would take control of the United States, which includes extermination of the native population. He believes the Russian takeover of Ukraine has been long planned and that what happened in Kazakhstan was Russia securing their rear in advance of their advance West. The U.S. and NATO don’t have the capacity to defend Ukraine, the West is weak and must avoid war. <span style="display: inline-block; width: 0px; overflow: hidden; line-height: 0;" data-mce-type="bookmark" class="mce_SELRES_start"></span> Watch On BitChute / Brighteon / Rokfin / Rumble / YouTube Geopolitics & Empire · Jeff Nyquist: Fall of Communism Was Staged, We’re On The Road To East-West Convergence #256 *Support Geopolitics & Empire! Become a Member https://geopoliticsandempire.substack.comDonate https://geopoliticsandempire.com/donationsConsult https://geopoliticsandempire.com/consultation **Visit Our Affiliates & Sponsors! Above Phone https://abovephone.com/?above=geopoliticseasyDNS (use code GEOPOLITICS for 15% off!) https://easydns.comEscape The Technocracy course (15% discount using link) https://escapethetechnocracy.com/geopoliticsPassVult https://passvult.comSociatates Civis (CitizenHR, CitizenIT, CitizenPL) https://societates-civis.comWise Wolf Gold https://www.wolfpack.gold/?ref=geopolitics Websites J.R. Nyquist Blog https://jrnyquist.blog Books https://www.amazon.com/J-R-Nyquist/e/B08DYBQR2P/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1 About J.R. Nyquist J.R. Nyquist has written for Newsmax, WorldNetDaily, SierraTimes, Financial Sense and Epoch Times. He is author of the book Origins of the Fourth World War, The New Tactics of Global War and The Fool and His Enemy. *Podcast intro music is from the song “The Queens Jig” by “Musicke & Mirth” from their album “Music for Two Lyra Viols”: http://musicke-mirth.de/en/recordings.html (available on iTunes or Amazon)

Professor Kees van der Pijl discusses his new book which explains how the virus crisis is a fraud and cover for political seizure of power. The medical emergency is just a pretext for digital identity passport systems. He discusses the players behind this ruling oligarchy whose concentration is unprecedented in history. Elites are using a strategy of tension to subjugate an otherwise unruly global populace which has been on the verge of 1848-style revolution. The medical phase of the coup can turn toward war (e.g. Russia) as another means of consolidating rule. The ruling class believes they have a small window of time to cement their power on the heels of the historic AI revolution. He explains the mechanisms by which the oligarchy is able to impose worldwide regulatory processes on entire continents and how China is cooperating in this ‘ultra-imperialism’ with the West. He’s optimistic that the political project that is Covid can’t go on for much longer, will fall apart, and that they do not yet possess the technology required to roll out a total digital control system. A core group of society is also increasingly rejecting their insane vision of the future. <span style="display: inline-block; width: 0px; overflow: hidden; line-height: 0;" data-mce-type="bookmark" class="mce_SELRES_start"></span> Watch On BitChute / Brighteon / Rokfin / Rumble Geopolitics & Empire · Kees Van Der Pijl: The Virus Crisis is a Fraud & Cover for a Global Political Seizure of Power #255 *Support Geopolitics & Empire! Become a Member https://geopoliticsandempire.substack.comDonate https://geopoliticsandempire.com/donationsConsult https://geopoliticsandempire.com/consultation **Visit Our Affiliates & Sponsors! 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He is the author of numerous books, but today we’ll be talking about his new absolutely must-read book, States OF Emergency: Keeping the Global Population in Check. Welcome Kees. How is the state of emergency going over there in the Netherlands? Kees van der Pijl: Well, it’s pretty bleak. And you may have seen that I dedicated the book to the young, because in my view, the children and the student age are really bearing the brunt of this. Because for somebody of my age, I now find that two years is nothing. Entirely speaking for myself and my wife, for us it was an interesting time, politically interesting and so on, but if I see what happens to my children+ and to all the children here and to students, we’re looking at a drama, because for them, two years is a lifetime if you’re developing. So in that sense, I’m really very gloomy, and of course we are subject now to the rollout of an EU project of a digital identity, and that’s what it’s all about. The whole medical thing is just a pretext to get us used to taking vaccinations. Everything is in a very incomplete state, so it will probably end in a disaster and chaos anyway, but that in itself is not a promising prospect. Now, Holland is unrecognizable, I would say, except if you compare it to the second world war and the occupation in which the Dutch population already gave a taste of a very peculiar attitude which can only be compared with some Eastern European countries. For instance, we… Well, I wasn’t there of course, but the generation of my parents and grandparents, they basically let the Jews of Holland being abducted, never to return, whereas the rest of Western Europe on average had a better attitude, hiding people to a greater degree. It happened here in Holland as well, but anyway, that’s the comparison that keeps popping up. This is the first time since the second world war that we had a curfew, that we had a lockdown, that we had police brutality to a degree not seen in this country in my whole lifetime. And everything is being denied, and I’m not telling you anything that you didn’t know already, but it’s grim. And it’s not grim for me because I’m sitting here and functioning, but it’s grim for the children. I just heard today that neither of my small grandchildren want to go to school any longer because they have to wear masks in the corridor, and kids get nervous of that because they don’t know why that would be. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you as well. And I feel the exact same way, the fear is not for myself, but for the youth and my children. I can deal with these things. I’ve lived a good enough life until now, so I don’t care about myself. And I also think it’s a fair comparison what you bring up. I’ve been saying this from the beginning. And I was in Central Asia in 2020, and I actually had planned to move back to Europe to my homeland of Croatia, but as soon as I discovered what was really going on behind the state of emergency, in early 2020, I decided to flee back to Latin America where I thought we would have more freedoms for a bit longer, which has been proving to be the case so far. And I think it’s- Kees van der Pijl: In Mexico, huh? Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah, in Mexico. They just activated also vaccine certificates here a week ago, so it’s a battle. 500 people have filed an injunction against the governor because it’s anti-constitutional. But also your comparison with World War II, there’s a Croatian MEP who recently- Kees van der Pijl: I saw him. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. He yelled at Macron and von der Leyen, and comparing what is happening now to the Nazi occupation, so you’re not alone. But let’s get through your book. There’s so much here. I highly recommend this book. I think it’s on sale actually at Clarity Press, 40% off, people can go there now. But there’s so much information in it, and it’s hard to pick a place to start, but you [inaudible 00:05:01] that the ruling oligarchy has seized on the virus outbreak, having manufactured it essentially to declare a state of emergency in order to put the breaks on the IT revolution from ushering in a democratic transformation, like the printing press did in the middle ages. You talk about an internationalized global state dominated by international capital which has been preparing for economic collapse and 1848 style revolutions. You also call this oligarchy the intelligence IT media block. So maybe to start, people will always ask, who are they, and how would you describe this ruling oligarchy? Kees van der Pijl: Well, the first thing from a theoretical viewpoint is that you should never fix it as an existing entity which doesn’t change. The title of my doctoral dissertation somewhere decades and decades ago had class formation, and I think when you think of a ruling class and any other class in society, you always should think of class formation that is within society like a magnetic field. There occurs a certain sense of direction in a particular way. When you mentioned this triangle that I sketch in the book, the intelligence services, IT giants and the media, they constitute a core that leads this process of class formation in the current period. That will be my thesis. And of course that doesn’t exhaust the other components or fractions of a ruling class. They also must become involved in that process of class formation, because they can’t take time enough off and wait for better times or whatever. So even the banks who are now being disciplined in my view have to be on board and want to be on board. The pharmaceutical companies join the process because, almost unexpectedly for them at least in the longer view, they become very important. If you think back of the war on terror, for instance, the pharmaceutical industry of course was somewhere at the end of the line, they had no particular role to play. Suddenly, they found themselves in the forefront, because the medical pretext for the whole politics of fear that is being rolled out now is of a different kind. So in that sense, class transformation takes a different turn. You always have to compare it to the war on terror, because that was basically at an international level at least the first time that a comprehensive politics of fear was rolled out, some people say, to deal with the Seattle explosion, with the sudden explosion against the extreme free trade that was in the works. There are many other elements that enter into that, but in that case, you still had a different… Well, not necessarily a triangle, but you had a different block of forces leading the process of transformation, and this has now switched to the triangle that I just described and that I explain in the book, which is pretty self-evident. Of course if it’s an IT revolution, then the revolutionaries must include the people who created this IT world, which is basically a state-driven invention process which was then privatized after 1990, because after 1990, capital no longer tolerated any sort of public constraint imposed on it. So in that sense, after the collapse of the Soviet Bloc in the state socialist episode, everything has to be privatized by the logic of the system, and it’s that process which created the oligarchy in its present form. But we shouldn’t forget that, even in the crisis itself, so in the crisis of the COVID circus, the oligarchy is condensing to an almost unbelievable degree. I’ve heard things like a billion a day that’s being earned extra by Elon Musk and Amazon boss and Gates and so on, but that’s the anecdotal side of it. But it’s an oligarchy in an unprecedented sense. At no point in history, except in ancient empires for instance, has there been a ruling group which is so small compared to the rest of society. And the whole middle class, people like myself, the sort of pity [bijoux 00:10:24] academics and so on, they’re being expropriated. You feel that your savings are going and… I mean, I’m not wailing here about my material position, but just to indicate that even classes that would normally be considered as political supports for the upper ruling class are being sacrificed to its enrichment, which is not a matter of ill will on the part of the top people, it’s simply how the system operates. Concentration of centralization is the name of the game, and that’s what’s happening now, except it’s going into overdrive, in extreme and absurd forms, and that also tells you that this process can’t go on for much longer. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. And speaking of the inflation and such, we can also feel it here in Mexico. I feel it- Kees van der Pijl: I guess so. Yeah. Geopolitics & Empire: … As well. It’s truly global across the board. And you also mentioned some of the people that all of us are familiar with in your book, such as the Bilderberg Group, The Trilateral Commission, now in other manifestation the World Economic Forum. All of these groups were also mentioned by my recent guest and my former professor, Alfred de Zayas, UN special reporter. He briefly mentions them in his book, Building a Just World Order. Also from Clarity Press. But you mentioned the financial crisis. We have the 2008 global financial crisis where there was this huge discontent of the masses manifesting itself. We’ve had the Arab Spring, the Occupy Wall Street movement, the Yellow Vests, Brexit, Trump, and so on, and all of a sudden magically the UN declares a pandemic. And on my podcast, one of my missions has always been to kind of filter through the nonsense and kind of get to the point. I hate beating around the bush. And you do a great job with your book. You conclude that the virus crisis is a fraud, it’s a cover for political seizure of power. I don’t want to spend so much time on the medical aspects, because most of the people listening to this are familiar with it, they should get your book and look at those details. We know the masks don’t work and the PCR tests are fraudulent. So I want to dig deeper behind this political seizure of power and why it’s the case. You say that there is no proportionality between the actual medical emergency and the measures applied, that decades ago, the elite foresaw the end of this economic system which would result in 1848 style revolutions and general popular revolt. You write that the IT revolution has given them the ability to evade a physical war against the population via the alternative of permanent surveillance and information warfare. This panopticon is the model for our form of late capitalism, the surveillance society organized and operated by the IT industry. So basically you see as the main driver of this COVID state of emergency the threats of a new 1848, so can you kind of tell us what’s really going on here? Kees van der Pijl: Well, basically you can go back to the war on terror, but before that, I would always think of the 1970s in Italy and other European countries where you had terror scares, and not just scares, but real atrocities. And as always, the Italians have been very good in political analysis. Why that is, I don’t have an immediate explanation. But in Italy… I have several books by Italians about the 1970s strategy of tension, which was the US, German, Israeli policy of preventing communists from becoming part of the governing coalition or the governing bloc in Italy, and they succeeded in not only preventing that, the so-called historic compromise between Christian democracy and communism, but they also discovered something which is again in operation today, and that is that politics of fear leads a population that basically is fed up with the people it’s being governed by to actually draw closer to that government. Because basically the government tells the population, you may hate us as much as you like, but the only people who can protect you against bombs is us, so you better join us. And you can transpose that straight to the present situation. Again, the governments, but now all over the world, practically speaking, are saying to the population, maybe you hate us, maybe you’re deeply dissatisfied about inequalities that you’re victimized by, but the only people who can protect you against this terrible virus is us and the medical authorities, and that’s a lesson of political science. It was really discovered in the 1970s, as far as I can see, and it evolved in several European countries. In Germany, you had your own terror episode, and with the war on terror, it became universalized. So United States took the lead in this whole process. And we’re now living through another episode of politics of fear, but at the same time, we shouldn’t accept or we shouldn’t think that the medical phase that we’re now in, which is a pretext for the seizure of power, should therefor always remain a psychological war against the population. What is happening today on the border with Russia in Ukraine may well be an option. I mean, again, these options are also objective. There’s not some Dr. Evil who’s sitting somewhere with his little pussycat in his lap directing it all. I mean, these are processes which have a dynamic of their own, and which therefore produce contradictions in the sense that the forces that are associated with what [inaudible 00:17:17] calls the [biopolitical 00:17:19] complex may not like at all what is happening on the Ukrainian, Russian border, but of course the arms industries will press in that direction, irrespective of the longer term, broader class interest, or the entire ruling [inaudible 00:17:38] in the west. And that’s contradictory, because it may well be that an open fight on the Ukrainian, Russian border might lead to a complete unraveling of the whole COVID process, but you can also interpret it as a systemic transition which maintains the idea of a politics of fear, except it switches it to a different terrain, it will therefore entail restructuring of the leading groups. No longer the media and the IT giants, first of all, but mainly… Well, they will be related to them, but then more in the defense field. I’m just mentioning it to indicate that once you allow an unstable situation to develop, the instability itself takes over to an extent that prevents any conspiratorial policy on the part of the ruling class from really reaching its goals. So we are already seeing that the medical pretax is coming apart. We are seeing that… At least that’s my claim, that the technical ability to inject all sort of nano beacons into people is completely immature. I mean, that doesn’t exist. I mean, it’s amazing what I’ve seen on film myself what is already contained in these so-called vaccines, but even, so it’s not a hermetic system yet able to be imposed on the population as a whole. Large parts of the population gets salt water injected, simply because they need control groups in the same population that they are injecting with the very dangerous substances. So the point is that the politics of fear is itself a crisis phenomenon that is open-ended, it’s unclear where it will end, but we can say that every separate chapter of the politics of fear, whether it was terrorism, or Putin is coming, or the virus, et cetera, also has its own internal contradictions which prevent it from reaching a logical conclusion. Look at what came out of the war on terror. Was terror defeated? No, of course not. The middle east was thrown into chaos, and even far more than just the middle east, because as far as China, Central Asia, you name it, all these areas are now in a deep, deep crisis, and sometimes I think under the present system they won’t come out of it any longer. Well, you will be in a better position to explain what’s happening in Latin America, but I can’t imagine that their future is bright in the current circumstances, because once your economic system is failing… And that’s the [inaudible 00:21:12] below the whole thing. They must keep the machine rolling. And once your economic system is failing… And it failed definitively in 2008, although it took another decade before that became fully clear to all concerned, then anything can happen every day. And yet the old system produced, for instance, an over-armament of the world to such a degree that you only have to strike a match here or there, and you have full scale, highly-destructive type of war that, with nuclear weapons around, can end anywhere. Geopolitics & Empire: You mentioned the medical dictatorship basically, and I often think of all of the people around me, let’s say the masses, and they really haven’t a clue, they think they’re still in a democracy, but you discuss the biosecurity state, biopoliticxs, biosafety, which you also describe having a religious element, this is what they’re trying to put us into. Some also relate it technocracy. You cite Catherine Austin Fitts in describing epidemics as having become the medical variant of false flag operations, which is what I have been saying since the beginning describing COVID as. Could you tell us a little bit more of what is this biopoliticxs, biosecurity state that they want to put us into? Kees van der Pijl: Yeah. Well, humanity is at a crossroads. One of, we may assume the last book by James Lovelock, the famous natural scientist and inventor who became famous with his Gaia hypothesis of the self-sustaining earth, earth as a quasi, a natural body which reacts as an organism. He wrote a final book which is called NOVACENE. And by NOVACENE, he means a sort of ultimate Pleistocene or the Holocene, a geophysical era in which humanity is tied to artificial intelligence. And he says, basically, if we can avoid a comet crashing into the earth or a nuclear war, we can project hundreds of years or more of human existence, continuing with the help of artificial intelligence, and even colonizing large parts of the universe. Now, it’s that sort of idea which was also propounded by others that has somehow captivated some of the leading lights of the capitalist class, like Eric Schmidt of Google and certain futuristic thinkers. And they have assumed that with technology progressing so fast and artificial intelligence progressing so fast… For instance, my book was translated also by a machine translation into German and French. And these are both languages that I can read well, and I really read it with open mouth. What a quality translation that was, just from a computer. And that’s entirely based on artificial intelligence, because it relies on the highlights of world literature in these various languages, and it does that all in a split second. Now, that that didn’t exist at this level of quality five years ago, and now it’s for free. So artificial intelligence developed very fast, and some of these strategies of the ruling class who are really strategists of the ruling class in the sense that they think for it… Mind you that in every epoch of history, the ruling clause was a pretty stupid bunch. They were good at what they were supposed to do, whether it was managing [inaudible 00:25:37] for exported crops or whatever to big industry, or now banking, or you name it, but they’re not very smart in the sense of understanding what historical conjuncture is that they’re operating in, what the challenges are that they have to face. So every epoch of history has a ruling class in the sense that a class that’s forming, et cetera, but one part of the formation of such a ruling class or ruling bloc is the presence of so-called organic intellectuals. In the old Roman days, the Patricians also apparently were a pretty stupid bunch, but they had Caesar who thought for them, who spoke for them. Locke spoke for the English liberals in the 17th century. And in the same way, these people like Eric Schmidt of Google and Ray Kurzweil and all these other people conceive of themselves also as leading thinkers. They call themselves thinkers, and they think for the larger mass of… Even for the oligarchy. Not all of the oligarchs are equally adroit at maneuvering politically in a situation that they’re facing now, so they rely on these people. And in the current situation, a number of thinkers in that sense, so organic intellectuals of the information revolution have thought that we are already entering the era where artificial intelligence can take over, and they have realized that for the ruling class, this is a unique moment that will not recur if you don’t grasp it now. So you will have to deploy the whole AI infrastructure, develop it very fast, and make sure that before people begin to realize that you might be able to do most fantastic things, things that realize humanity in a much deeper sense and open up fantastic vistas of human development… Of course I’m overdoing it a little bit. Before that can happen, we must make sure that people walk in step and that there’s no uncontrollable thing like the Arab Spring, for instance, which still had to be repressed by a recurrence of dictatorship by wars and NATO intervention, you name it. And that’s the more historical, philosophical background of what we are experiencing now. There was an urgency to intervene in a historic process. Some of the people thought of themselves as being able to understand the consequences of what was at stake and what was possible, the only problem is that they came up with solutions which are technically not yet feasible, but most importantly, which are unacceptable to parts of society that are too large, too independent-minded, too resilient to submit. And I can see that in Europe very clearly that at least let’s say 20 to 40% of the population of every European country is not inclined to follow any such futuristic project if it is based on a complete denial of fundamental rights and freedoms that people were used to. In China and certain other Asian countries, more is possible in disrespect, because people were used for generations of not going too far in questioning the legitimacy of power, but here in Europe, there’s… Well, even in a country like my own here in Holland, I said some nasty things first, but basically one of the good sides of the Dutch is that they are very disobedient people. So ultimately, they won’t obey. Even the people who now were tricked into having the vaccination are now coming around and saying, well, we now are being asked to do a booster shot, and we don’t want to become a target for pharmaceutical industry. These are ideas now that are beginning to brew among the silent majority that at first was willing to submit to government dictates. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. You’re book gives me hope in the sense you’re saying that all of this technology hasn’t quite yet come together to do what they really want to do, so that’s hopeful. And you also write about the IT revolution and how it essentially comes from the military, DARPA, Pentagon, pretty much everything we use today, hardware and software. I mean, I was surprised you pointed out how even LCD screens that we’re using right now and touch screens are products of military research. Nobody thinks about this, and they’ve taken all of their little gadgets and software for granted, and they view this technology as benign, but really we’re dealing with weapon systems, and it seems these systems are now being targeted at us by the ruling oligarchy. Something interesting you also talk about are politics, how the left and right lines have blurred, the oligarchy has broadened the center and situated itself there, that there’s little difference today between Democrat, Republican, except that perhaps the democratic party, at least in the US, seems to be currently the defacto home of the oligarchy, and you say the target of state power is the progressive movement. I personally also see a hard attack on conservatives with this de-platforming. They’re canceling people’s bank accounts, putting them on no fly lists and so on. Could you speak about how the elites have kind of reorganized power and party lines? And this is a global trend in many countries. Kees van der Pijl: Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, we shouldn’t think of the elites here as a force which is able to direct this like a film director. I mean, the fact that the left has been incorporated into the broad center is basically something that has been autonomously achieved by the formerly left forces, so by the groups that emerged from the industrial labor movement, which has remained without an answer to the relocation of actual industry to Asia or wherever. So I live in a country which has been de-industrialized. France is being de-industrialized. You can’t believe it. This was one of the industrial world leaders, and now there’s less and less any meaningful work being done there in that respect. So the left lost its base, but in self-reflecting on that process and adjusting their view of how a society could be transformed to a more just, what I would call socialist society, but based on the information revolution, no longer on the industrial revolution, they didn’t do that. They simply let the process go, and they basically were corrupted by the political process itself. I always think that just as capitalism will disappear as an economic system, along with it will disappear the political parliamentary representative system operated by professional politicians whose mandates are renewed by elections and so on. So that illustrates that the ruling class didn’t have to do anything to get the left to forget about its own history and its prospects and whatever, they did that themselves. It was largely part of unreflected objective processes of the industrialization, and not doing anything about it, not thinking about it, what does this mean for us, what does it mean for us as a political tradition, how do we rejuvenate our stake in the whole process of social development? Now, the center was always the center, it’s still the center, of course, except that it moved to the right. And by right, I mean authoritarian politics, inequality politics, destroying the environment, not so much by CO2 or something, but by say of pollution, cutting trees. Our energy sources are now basically trees cut from North America, from Russia, from the Baltic countries, et cetera. Every day, enormous ships arrive here in Amsterdam and Rotterdam with [inaudible 00:35:45] which contain not just the trees, but also all the life that was happening in between these trees, so to speak. And these ecological disasters are going on all as part of the unraveling of a functioning economic system. But I think… Well, I’ve lost where we were now. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. I was just going to say that other guests of mine have echoed as well the same sentiments where you mentioned, when capitalism goes, I guess it’s going, democracy will go as well, and that we’re entering into a period of… Well, it’s still yet to be defined, but authoritarian period where there isn’t democracy, technocracy, biopoliticxs, or maybe a more optimistic future that’s up to us to fight for. There’s a fascinating tidbit in your book about how “shortly after taking office, Kofi Annan signed an agreement with the World Economic Forum in Davos, linking the UN Secretariat to an electronic communication system welcome that put him and his staff in direct contact with a number of government leaders and with the directors of the World Bank and other international financial institutions, and that effectively the UN system became subordinated to the Western Bloc and transnational corporations.” And you describe what I call COVID1984 as a global project of which the individual states are mostly the relays and [inaudible 00:37:30] commander, Klaus Schwab, as I call him, as the secretary of the project or a series of overlapping projects. It’s pretty mind-boggling the coordination that they have at the global scale to carry out what they’ve been carrying out over the last two years, trying to impose their wills upon virtually all nation states. And we’ve seen different states here in Mexico from the local level, because our president, AMLO, at least from the federal level, it has not been possible to implement a lot of these policies, but they’ve gone to mayors and governors, gotten to them somehow, and one state has tried to implement these biosecurity policies and has failed, another has tried, and they’ve been having some success, and it’s just this back and forth, two steps forward, one step back. Could you comment a bit about the mechanisms of how they’re able to do this globally, what they’ve done so far? Kees van der Pijl: Yeah. Well, you mentioned Kofi Annan and the UN, don’t forget that this was already in the 1980s. So the attack on the UN system has the potential grid on which an alternative world economy might have been built, occurred under Thatcher and Reagan. So there’s a permanent struggle going on on the international level in which the forces of internationalization and international organization are battling over whether they will articulate the aspirations of large parts of the world population, or whether they will impose authority on that population. So in that sense, the mechanism and global class struggle, if you call it like that, already dates back to the Reagan and Thatcher revolution. Neoliberalism was a flight forward out of the class compromises of the post-war period, and in the process made the capitalist system into a world system, but also it made it much more fragile and dependent on any interruption of long product change, on sources of raw materials and so on and so forth. So in one respect, the COVID scenario, which can be traced back to somewhere around 2000 when the first training exercises were being held about by bioterrorism, although nothing in the way of bioterrorism had ever happened, and as far as I know, didn’t happen since then either, except that we’re now of course experiencing a bioterrorist episode in which governments are deeply involved, but although on the one hand the bioterrorism scenario from 2000 looks fantastically prepared on the one hand, and on the other unique, because there was nothing like it in previous decades, many episodes like for instance the attack on the United Nations already show that the struggle to gain hold, to gain control of the levers of world government, of global governance had already been initiated in the 1980s and ’90s and so on. And even the attack on state socialism in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union can be understood as in light of the streamlining of the lines of communication between certain centers, and here Bilderberg and Trilateral Commission and the Group of Thirty and so on and so forth are important, not as the seats of Dr. Evil, but as coordination centers, as nerve centers where a lot of ideas about how to go forward come together and are being negotiated among different interests involved, given articulate expression also by these organic intellectuals. People are invited to come and speak at Bilderberg, and also the Bilderberg Group itself and the Trilateral Commission operate, and the World Economic Forum even far more, in a more sophisticated and more expressly developed way, they themselves operate as collective organic intellectuals. They are think tanks in which ideas are being produced. I mean, I’ve been 50 years in academia, and if you promise not to tell anyone, most of the people that I met were really stupid, whereas compare normal people that I meet, I hardly ever meet stupid people. But in academia, you meet many of them, and yet the ruling class has at its disposal an apparatus so vast that even the stupidity of so many academics is turned into a process of accumulation of extremely sophisticated thought. And it’s a very instructive experience actually, because you would be amazed where these smart thoughts and these deep insights come from if you ever meet one of the people who are deeply involved in the prestigious institutions. I won’t mention my own experiences here, but they are really interesting in that respect. There are very few… Anyway, let me put it this way. The ideas that a ruling class have to try and impose worldwide regulatory processes, so policies that will work to streamline and to discipline entire continents go back decades, and they have behind them a vast collection of entire libraries of insights and empirical results of how people react to this, how people react to that. In my book, I gave, for instance, the example of this French sociologist of health, Patrick Zylberman, who studied how people experience lockdowns. And if you just read that book, you understand this is a goldmine for anyone who wants to impose a lockdown, because it’s all there. And it turns out that it indeed worked out broadly along the lines that he predicted on the basis of the SARS one episode in 2003. The one uncertainty that all ruling class projects stumble on is the willingness of a population to be disciplined by such a project, and that justifies my remark just now that academics are often stupid, whereas normal people often, because they rely much more on their intuition and on the sense of is this a right thing to happen or not, rather than on abstruse theories and intellectual fashions- Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah, I would confirm that. Because I’ve worked in education as an adjunct professor, and it’s exactly as you describe. And you also mentioned in your book how the urbanites, the urban intellectual elites are kind of like the workforce for the oligarchy, which explains why they are primarily the ones who are buying the official narrative, while the working class is much more skeptical of the narrative. I can’t believe how so many people are buying into the narrative, but that’s what you touch on in the book. Kees van der Pijl: Yeah. But don’t forget that when we still had an industrial working class, which was broadly committed to socialist ideals, et cetera, these ideological convictions didn’t arise from inside the people themselves. I mean, they simply listened to their leaders who gave them a plausible story about where we might be heading, why it would be good for us, and so on and so forth. Today if our ministers or parliamentarians are meeting in the [inaudible 00:46:56], there are demonstrators who shout at them that they are Satanists or that they are pedophiles and so on and so forth, and there are a few actually, but if in the 1920s or ’30s or the late 19th century people wouldn’t have had organizations guiding their thinking in a progressive direction, they would also have been shouting all kind of abuse without precisely knowing why they were using these terms and so on and so forth. So what we’re seeing now in the anomie in the loss of political orientation among so many people, and that in turn makes them vulnerable to government policies like politics of fear in the name of a virus, that their organizations have disappeared. They no longer function as a vanguard or support institutions to give people a sense of what sort of world they are living in, and what might be in it for them in terms of improvement of their faith and a better future for their kids and you name it. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. And I would just mention as well… I forgot to mention, you talked about how academics are not so smart. And one of the reasons that I started this podcast many years ago was because, while I was working at university, there were a few of my colleagues willing to talk about these subjects that I’m passionate about. And so I’m just like, you know what, I’m going to start a podcast and talk to intellectuals such as yourself, and it grew. And I also wanted to mention that you have a really long section on the book that’s very valuable on the biowarfare aspect. I was going to mention that you actually referenced multiple times the interview that I did with Francis Boyle back in January of 2020, and also you identify… It gives a lot of detail of the backstory of the 20 years of these pandemic simulations, and you identify the Global Preparedness Monitoring Board which was formed in 2019. And in 2020, I read that document, so people should go check that out. You talk about the Rockefeller [inaudible 00:49:15] agenda. And I remember in March of 2020, I had been interviewed by the popular channel Spiro Skouras, who has since- Kees van der Pijl: Yeah, yeah. I’ve seen it. Yeah. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. He’s since been de-platformed unfortunately multiple times over and placed into a virtual ghetto. He didn’t feel comfortable. I guess he doesn’t do interviews for now anymore, but he asked me back in March of 2020 what was my assessment of what was going on, and I said that it was about global governance, world government, and that they wanted to create algocracy, to rule us by algorithms. And you write about that in your book, that many are seeking to have COVID-19 serve the political interests of a global governance project. One of the biggest questions we all have… And you touch on it in the book, is that one of the most uncertain factors in the COVID crisis is the relationship between the west, the US in particular and China. You talk about how both Russia and China have submitted to global governance through their membership in the UN and its organizations, and what has occurred is, the internationalization of the state where sovereignty has transferred to the international level from which policy is handed back down to national governments. And then you discuss would China really accept to settle for participating with the west in an ultra-imperialism when the west is evidently declining and plagued by disintegration. On the one hand, you say the answer is yes, namely the issue of establishing an authoritarian state in which the formerly liberal homelands of capitalism adapt to the Chinese model by simultaneous coups where you leave the inequality untouched, but then we also have a situation where the US, it’s between war, as you mentioned earlier, and cooperative ultra-imperialism. So both options for me are horrific, because also with the latter, the whole world would kind of become edged towards totalitarianism. Could you try to kind of tell us about this US, China relationship in this state of emergency? Kees van der Pijl: Well, the more I think about it, the more I think we tend to look at China still too much through the communist lens, to think that… I have many old friends from my own communist party days who still don’t want to hear anything bad about China. They think it’s all Cold War invective, et cetera, but if you look at the chronology of how this crisis came about, and you then reflect back on the number of instances of labor unrest in China itself, many people think of China as a sort of Japanese super factory where everybody’s happily running around in clean coveralls and so on, but that’s not true. There’s a constant process, again, of class formation in the sense that the new working class is being formed from people who will come straight from the land. That process is still not exhausted. And it’s a general known fact of sociology that the first generation of workers is always the most radical, because they’re not used to the rhythms of long working days and forms of obedience that they were unused to. And if you then look at the statistics of labor incidents in China, that runs into the thousands each year. So for the Chinese ruling class with its president for life now at its head, if the communist party in China convenes, there’s this long endless line of black limousines bringing the billionaires that are a member of the party to the conference hall, but for the Chinese ruling class, the threat of the 1848 that I borrow from [inaudible 00:53:42] as a sort of vision of danger in the near future, for the Chinese ruling class, that’s something very close to home. They’re not a sort of industrial superpower, smiling at the labor unrest and the resistance against inequality in the west, they themselves are challenged by popular unrest. And it’s the same in Vietnam, it’s the same in Indonesia, which is also under a slightly different system operating this sort of runaway intensive industrialization, destroying its entire natural habitats and so on and so forth. So China in that sense is a very important player in the internationalization of the state, much more so than Russia. Also we should realize that a country as vast as China, or Russia, or India is never a single entity. I mean, these in themselves are complexes of social forces boiling with difference of interest, with all kinds of struggles and so on. So the people who are… You mentioned this Global Preparedness Monitoring Board. The Chinese… What is he? Head of the Chinese Medical Association, [Dr. Gao 00:55:14], who is there, doesn’t speak for China as a whole. There will be large and powerful groups in China itself. I read the books of [inaudible 00:55:28], a bit of an outsider, Chinese intellectual, very interesting book about the history of China, the history of Chinese thought, et cetera, and he emphasizes that what we see as popular uprisings, like in 1989, [inaudible 00:55:46] uprising were also… Of course they’re not something else, but were also struggles within the ruling elite in China between groups that wanted to go for a full neoliberal makeover of China, and groups that wanted to retain veto, or at least substantial power for the state class or the class that isn’t on top because of its private property, but that is on top on account of its hold of the state operators, which is something that you see in Iran, that you see in Russia, and that of course has a long prehistory to it. I call that a contender state, a state which from the top down tries to replicate what a more powerful liberal west has already achieved at that point. And today, China and Russia still retain many characteristics of that contender state model, although at the same time, as you said, they are also part of the internationalized state. I mean, in the Global Preparedness, et cetera, Board, there was also the Russian minister of health, people who have closely looked at, for instance, interlocking directories among corporations and who really know who is on that board, and rather than just drawing the lines and counting them, very often say, but if you take this or that man or woman, and you forget that he was never there, that sort of thing. And it might well be that in the Global Preparedness Monitoring Board… For instance, the Russian minister of health hardly played a role, for instance. That would be my personal hypothesis before I hear from somebody who really knows about it, whether that was true or not. But in that light, you have to look at these things. The impetus for a round of disciplining of the world population comes from the west. But China is another major force in the process. And if you look at the chronology, you might even say that they had a more urgent need now to already start the process. But that is something that I simply don’t have the knowledge to judge, but I wouldn’t be surprised if… As I say, after the meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos in January 2020, Tedros of the World Health Organization traveled to China, first of all. Now that was not for medical reasons, there were 10 cases or something, but simply to confer on the basis of what he had been listening to at the Davos meeting, to confer with China what would their position be. And then you got the Wuhan lockdown. Now, every veterinarian will tell you that there’s no point in lockdowns to get to a zero COVID situation, because animals also store this virus, they allow it to reproduce. So you would have to kill all the cats and the dogs. And actually, they inoculated the animals in the London zoo. Have you seen that? Geopolitics & Empire: No. With COVID? Kees van der Pijl: Images of lions and a rhino and a kangaroo all being inoculated with Pfizer and Moderna serums. In itself, a correct step if you want to get at zero COVID, but that’s simply impossible. Anyway, you can root out Smallpox, but you can’t root out a respiratory virus. They’re everywhere and everywhere. And actually, you are in a much better health if you are constantly exposed to them, because then your immune system remains in top shape, whereas now what we’re seeing here in Holland and I guess everywhere else is that, because of the distancing and the mouth caps and so on, there are nastier forms of flu and some very serious… Geopolitics & Empire: They tell us natural immunity doesn’t exist, but this kind of makes me think, I think you cite Orwell’s 1984 in your book where Orwell writes, in the past, ruling groups of all countries did fight against one another. In our own day, they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is to keep the structure of society intact. For me, that seems like what’s happening now. And you beg the question, are we witnessing the consolidation of a universal oligarchic collectivism, as Orwell used the term, a truce between ruling classes holding their own populations captive in the nominal state of war. So is that what you think could be going on? Kees van der Pijl: Well, certainly what they’re trying. Because while you’re saying this, I become more optimistic in the sense that I almost have to laugh, because I realize it doesn’t stand a chance. A year ago, it did, but now… Don’t forget that one thing I mentioned in the book is that, in January, 2021, the Financial Times on its front page reported that the Edelman PR firm, which was closely involved in the preparation of the pandemic as a political project, came to the conclusion that the project to create a shock that everybody would have been paralyzed by, and then be inoculated and so on and so forth, that chance had passed and that the project had failed. Now, if a company like that which is so deeply involved in the whole process of setting it up, of writing the scenario, so to speak… They really were a major force. If they come to the conclusion after almost a year it has failed, we should feel optimistic. That doesn’t mean that what is happening now to children and to young people, but also to old people dying in complete solitude with their partners somewhere standing outside in the car park, that as a human tragedy, that doesn’t happen now on a scale we haven’t seen before, except in destructive wars like the Eastern Front and second world war. So that is happening, and we can’t undo that, but the project as such is doomed to fail. And what is being repeated here over and over again, and what German lawyer, Reiner Fuellmich, with his committee is preparing, is a tribunal to call all the politicians and all those who were somehow involved in this gigantic fraud, to call and to let them be responsible for what they did and to call it to justice. Geopolitics & Empire: You mentioned the contender states of Russia and China, and we’re seeing now this insane escalation in Ukraine, do you think… As you said, maybe the political COVID project is failing. Maybe they try as a diversion, or maybe… I feel like we’re in the 1920s, 1930s. Well, you referenced World War I scenario, as well as the 1930s again, this rise of authoritarianism, economic collapse. Do you think that the west could push for a war with Russia and China? Kees van der Pijl: Well, however mad they may be, a war in the present… I mean, the Orwell statement that wars are no longer between states, but against a population could also be a bit reassuring, because then you could say, well, we might as well win that war and not let them. But of course it’s still possible that simply out of an accident in a highly tense situation you might get a larger conflict, and once one of the parties in a major central war is losing, they will resort to their nuclear weapons, and then of course we’re all doomed. So in that sense, it’s important to watch and to read defense journals and see to what extent top military figures are either taking the threat of nuclear annihilation serious, or are belittling it. And in the 1980s, for instance, you had such a situation in which the Reagan team thought that if you just dug deep enough a hole in the ground, you might survive a nuclear attack, that sort of thing. And that led the nuclear winter report to show that the earth would become a dead place, irrespective of the actual explosion. So apart from top military men and the occasional woman becoming really crazy, they would understand that we should never do more than a proxy war. Ukraine is a very complex… I actually wrote a book about the new Cold War in Ukraine in 2018, so I’m a bit familiar with the situation. And it’s a failed state, and that in itself is a very dangerous situation, because… Well, it would drift away from our topic if we go into that, but it’s possible that there would be a proxy war with Ukrainians on the one side and the people in the [inaudible 01:06:27] on the other hand, but what I suspect is that… Already in the book that I wrote in 2018, I mentioned that there would be a resurgence of the not really pro-Russian population, but the population that’s oriented towards Russia language and culture and everything, internet, and it would seem now that people have become so desperate in Ukraine because of the ongoing impoverishment and the rapaciousness of the oligarchs there that they are willing to give a pro-Russian politician a chance again. And that will then in the west be construed as a seizure of power by Russian agents and so on and so forth that [inaudible 01:07:19] serious situation. But the basic point is this, [inaudible 01:07:24] in the west, so a ruling class in the west and the governing class and so on can no longer govern through an equitable social contract with the population. They have to maintain themselves by politics of fear to really drive people with their backs against the wall. That can be environmental disasters, that can be a war situation, et cetera, but that’s an objective [inaudible 01:07:51]. What it will be depends not on you or me, or even a genius who can foretell these things, but on the objective strength of the different forces and some coincidences here and there. But the politics of fear is a given, so the fight for democracy would always have to focus on discovering the origins of the politics of fear, exposing the forms it takes, exposing the lies that are woven around all kinds of policies that actually aim for something completely different, basically for the subjection of all the people, and then try and aim for something beyond the current economic system that we have. But that’s not so easy, because don’t forget that even in the days of industrial socialism, the actual ideas that were available prior to the taking of power were minimal. There were very few book-length exposes of what a socialist society would look like, and now there’s nothing. There are a lot of activities. I’m active here in Holland as well as a speaker in this anti-COVID measures movement, and every time I get somewhere, I’m amazed to see the level of preparation that people have already in terms of setting up alternative education, schools to have alternative food supply chains based on local farming, do your own farming, that sort of thing. Now that’s not the same as having an alternative society ready, but it indicates and it works as a school to shape people’s understanding of their own capacity to contribute meaningfully to society, and that at some point might become a critical factor in social change. But inevitably, it will be different in different countries. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. You kind of answered my final question of what do we do, and as you said, getting involved… And we’re seeing an explosion in the homeschooling and the building of these parallel economies, parallel structures, which could lead to a more positive future. Is there any final thought then you wish to leave us with? Kees van der Pijl: Well, as you said, I just gave it. Well, I think the most important thing is that we keep our brains working, we get as much exposure of interesting ideas on all sides as we can, and that people like yourself keep interviewing as many people you think have some ideas about where we should be going as you can. Thank you very much for it. Geopolitics & Empire: And you are on Twitter. I would encourage people to find you there. Is that the best place to follow you, and how can people best support your work or get your new book? Kees van der Pijl: Well, they should get the book in all modesty. It’s doing very well here in Holland and in Germany where it was first… And now it will come out in Polish at the end of this month, and in Russian at the end of this month, and also I’m now negotiating with a publisher in France. My view is that if the whole COVID circus collapses… And it will this year, or next year at the latest, then the sort of book that I wrote will be very useful to answer the question, why did it happen in the first place? And that should be enlightening. It’s not an adventure story about how this all came about, but it’s a reconstruction by accident almost written in the process that it was imposed itself. So I was lucky with this book. Sometimes things fall in place just in a nice way that you feel it could. And it’s also good that I’m out of academia, because when I would’ve still been in academia, the footnotes section would have been twice as long just to show that I really know what I’m talking about, but as now, the emphasis was really on the account of what happened, and then the necessary references. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. There’s a lot of censorship at university. And also, this could be a future warning to help us understand so we stop this in it’s tracks if they try to pull something like this again. For listeners, you know that I do not that often say this about my guests and their books, but I really mean it, and I do really mean that you have to get Kees book. I received a free review copy from Clarity Press, but still I went out and I bought the book. And so please support great work like this. Professor van der Pijl, thank you for being on Geopolitics & Empire. Kees van der Pijl: Thank you very much. Geopolitics & Empire: I hope you enjoyed this Geopolitics & Empire podcast interview. The website is geopoliticsandempire.com, and I encourage you to sign up for the free email list through which you can receive an update of every new podcast, as well as a long list of key news headlines once a week. We’re being heavily censored. YouTube and has deleted some of our videos, and we currently have one strike. Patreon has terminated our account. Facebook has restricted our page, and Reddit has been deleting posts. Our favorite social media channels are Telegram and Twitter. The best places to watch the podcast beyond YouTube are on Odysee, BitChute and Brighteon. The best places to listen to the podcast are on SoundCloud, Apple, Spotify, Google, or on any other podcast app. To help keep this podcast alive, leave a review on Apple Podcasts and wherever else, subscribe to all our platforms and leave a donation, if possible, via SubscribeStar, PayPal, Bitcoin, or Ethereum. You can also find us on MeWe, Minds, Gab, Flote, VK, LinkedIn and Instagram. Thanks for listening. About Kees Van Der Pijl Kees van der Pijl (1947) taught at the University of Amsterdam and was professor at the University of Sussex, UK, from 2000. He made his name with The Making of an Atlantic Ruling Class (1984, reprint 2012) and was awarded the 2008 Deutscher Prize for Nomads, Empires, State, Vol. I of a trilogy on Modes of Foreign Relations and Political Economy (2007-2014). He also wrote novels and edited a number of works, most recently The Militarization of the European Union (2021). His previous monograph, Flight MH17, Ukraine and the New Cold War (2018) has been translated into four other languages. *Podcast intro music is from the song “The Queens Jig” by “Musicke & Mirth” from their album “Music for Two Lyra Viols”: http://musicke-mirth.de/en/recordings.html (available on iTunes or Amazon)

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts discusses US-Russia tensions and corona tyranny. He doesn’t see how events in Kazakhstan could’ve been anything else but an attempted color revolution. While prior U.S. administrations in the 20th century worked to defuse tensions with Russia, Washington today is removing safeguards, not taking security talks seriously, and is expanding NATO and military installations. Russians feel they are threatened and are taking actions to ensure their security. These developments are extremely discouraging. At the start of the pandemic, he had no reason to question the CDC and NIH. However, over time he began to see holes in the narrative. He fears many people will be injured as a result of mass experimental vaccination and we may see social collapse. He believes there must be some sort of conspiracy and can’t fathom the level of global coordination going on. The lockdowns have created inflation which has created serious problems for the U.S. dollar. We don’t know what else they may release. There’s a tremendous amount of evil at play. If things don’t clear up this year, it may very well be the end of the world. Watch on BitChute / Brighteon / Rokfin / Rumble Geopolitics & Empire · Paul Craig Roberts: It May Well Be the End of the World #254 *Support Geopolitics & Empire! Become a Member https://geopoliticsandempire.substack.com Donate https://geopoliticsandempire.com/donations Consult https://geopoliticsandempire.com/consultation **Visit Our Affiliates & Sponsors! Above Phone https://abovephone.com/?above=geopolitics easyDNS (use code GEOPOLITICS for 15% off!) https://easydns.com Escape The Technocracy course (15% discount using link) https://escapethetechnocracy.com/geopolitics PassVult https://passvult.com Sociatates Civis (CitizenHR, CitizenIT, CitizenPL) https://societates-civis.com Wise Wolf Gold https://www.wolfpack.gold/?ref=geopolitics Websites http://www.paulcraigroberts.org About Paul Craig Roberts Paul Craig Roberts has had careers in scholarship and academia, journalism, public service, and business. He is chairman of The Institute for Political Economy. Dr. Roberts has held numerous academic appointments including the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy in the Center for Strategic and International Studies. He has contributed chapters to numerous books and has published many articles in journals of scholarship. He has testified before committees of Congress on 30 occasions. Dr. Roberts was associate editor and columnist for The Wall Street Journal and columnist for Business Week and the Scripps Howard News Service. He was a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate in Los Angeles. In 1992 he received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993 the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the United States. President Reagan appointed Dr. Roberts Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and he was confirmed in office by the U.S. Senate. From 1975 to 1978, Dr. Roberts served on the congressional staff where he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill and played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy. After leaving the Treasury, he served as a consultant to the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Commerce. Dr. Roberts was awarded the Treasury Department’s Meritorious Service Award for “his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy.” In 1987 the French government recognized him as “the artisan of a renewal in economic science and policy after half a century of state interventionism” and inducted him into the Legion of Honor. He is listed in Who’s Who in America and Who’s Who in the World. *Podcast intro music is from the song “The Queens Jig” by “Musicke & Mirth” from their album “Music for Two Lyra Viols”: http://musicke-mirth.de/en/recordings.html (available on iTunes or Amazon)

Professor Luca Anceschi discusses recent events in Kazakhstan. We will never know if it was a revolution because the violence that ensued stopped the natural organic evolution of the protest movement into something that could have changed the political system. It’s been a good week for Putin and a watershed moment for Kazakh-Russia relations. We’re going to see a structural change where multi-vectorism will become a thing of the past, as Nursultan moves closer to Moscow and the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU), which Putin views as an instrument of geopolitical domination. He believes what occurred was a result of a domestic coup or elite rivalry situation, as in the past it was discovered President Tokayev’s phone was being surveilled using Pegasus spyware. We discuss Nazarbayev’s cult of personality, what consequences there might be for the region, and the road ahead. Watch On BitChute / Brighteon / Rokfin / Rumble / YouTube Geopolitics & Empire · Luca Anceschi: Kazakhstan Will Move Closer to Russia & Eurasian Integration #253 *Support Geopolitics & Empire! Become a Member https://geopoliticsandempire.substack.com Donate https://geopoliticsandempire.com/donations Consult https://geopoliticsandempire.com/consultation **Visit Our Affiliates & Sponsors! Above Phone https://abovephone.com/?above=geopolitics easyDNS (use code GEOPOLITICS for 15% off!) https://easydns.com Escape The Technocracy course (15% discount using link) https://escapethetechnocracy.com/geopolitics PassVult https://passvult.com Sociatates Civis (CitizenHR, CitizenIT, CitizenPL) https://societates-civis.com Wise Wolf Gold https://www.wolfpack.gold/?ref=geopolitics Show Notes Kazakhstan: Secrets, Lies, and Foreign Troops https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/86172 Why Kazakhstan will not be returning to Russia’s fold https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/13/why-kazakhstan-will-not-be-returning-russias-fold Websites University of Glasgow https://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/socialpolitical/staff/lucaanceschi/#biography Twitter https://twitter.com/anceschistan About Luca Anceschi Luca Anceschi is professor of Eurasian Studies at the University of Glasgow, where he is also the editor of the journal Europe-Asia Studies. *Podcast intro music is from the song “The Queens Jig” by “Musicke & Mirth” from their album “Music for Two Lyra Viols”: http://musicke-mirth.de/en/recordings.html (available on iTunes or Amazon)

Journalist and researcher Paolo Sorbello gives his take on events in Kazakhstan. He says that what is going on has a lot to do with inequality and lack of representation, with inflation and fuel prices being the prime mover. He comments on the effects of the pandemic which have led to millions of unemployed. The scale of the peaceful protests was unprecedented and he believes it is not yet possible to determine the source of the violent protests. He points out the conflicting narratives of the government itself, that of an internal coup and foreign intervention. His response to accusations of “Color Revolution” is “which color is it”? He argues that protestors did not handle the weapons well and that the government put down the violence quickly, which suggests that there wasn’t an organized domestic or external group, although it was strange that authorities allowed violent protestors to move into areas that should have been cordoned off. He thinks Nazarbayev and Tokayev are too wise to provoke such urban violence and believes the status quo will continue. Concerning the future of Kazakhstan, he fears freedoms will be targeted. Watch On BitChute / Brighteon / Rokfin / Rumble / YouTube Geopolitics & Empire · Paolo Sorbello: Kazakhstan Protests Sparked by Inequality, Inflation, & Lack of Representation #252 *Support Geopolitics & Empire! Become a Member https://geopoliticsandempire.substack.com Donate https://geopoliticsandempire.com/donations Consult https://geopoliticsandempire.com/consultation **Visit Our Affiliates & Sponsors! Above Phone https://abovephone.com/?above=geopolitics easyDNS (use code GEOPOLITICS for 15% off!) https://easydns.com Escape The Technocracy course (15% discount using link) https://escapethetechnocracy.com/geopolitics PassVult https://passvult.com Sociatates Civis (CitizenHR, CitizenIT, CitizenPL) https://societates-civis.com Wise Wolf Gold https://www.wolfpack.gold/?ref=geopolitics Show Notes Kazakhstan’s New Cabinet Features Many of the Same Ministers https://thediplomat.com/2022/01/kazakhstans-new-cabinet-features-many-of-the-same-ministers Kazakhstan’s Leadership Shows Internal Cracks in Attempts to Restore Public Safety https://thediplomat.com/2022/01/kazakhstans-leadership-shows-internal-cracks-in-attempts-to-restore-public-safety Websites Twitter https://twitter.com/PaoloBottleneck LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/paolosorbello ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paolo-Sorbello Global Voices https://globalvoices.org/author/paolo-sorbello About Paolo Sorbello Paolo Sorbello is a journalist and researcher living in Kazakhstan. He holds a PhD from the University of Glasgow, where he studied industrial relations in Kazakhstan’s oil sector. He is a Research Fellow at the Università Ca’​ Foscari Venezia. *Podcast intro music is from the song “The Queens Jig” by “Musicke & Mirth” from their album “Music for Two Lyra Viols”: http://musicke-mirth.de/en/recordings.html (available on iTunes or Amazon)

Scientist Denis Rancourt returns to discuss his new paper which demonstrates that a pandemic did not occur. Whereas in some countries there was little to no excess mortality, in others like the USA, the 1 million excess deaths can be attributed directly to the government health measures and pandemic-response policies. He sees no evidence for a virulent respiratory disease. The U.S. is decoupling from China with whom it is in an economic war. As a result, there’s going to be huge inflation which will wipe out the savings of ordinary people. He sees “COVID19” as being war measures applied to completely control domestic populations in the shadow of the U.S.-China geopolitical and geoeconomic conflict that will last at least a decade and even risk hot war. A totalitarian system is being put into place to get rid of democracy, and it has the potential to last a really long time. All countries must apply these measures in the context of this global war to ensure stability against unrest among their own populations. He thinks Western elites want an e-currency that will take over the world and gobble up any completing digital currencies, and which also cannot be circumvented. We also discuss resistance and non-compliance. Watch On BitChute / Brighteon / Rokfin / Rumble Geopolitics & Empire · Denis Rancourt: COVID19 is a War Measure for Population Control in Shadow of US-China Conflict #251 *Support Geopolitics & Empire! Become a Member https://geopoliticsandempire.substack.com Donate https://geopoliticsandempire.com/donations Consult https://geopoliticsandempire.com/consultation **Visit Our Affiliates & Sponsors! Above Phone https://abovephone.com/?above=geopolitics easyDNS (use code GEOPOLITICS for 15% off!) https://easydns.com Escape The Technocracy course (15% discount using link) https://escapethetechnocracy.com/geopolitics PassVult https://passvult.com Sociatates Civis (CitizenHR, CitizenIT, CitizenPL) https://societates-civis.com Wise Wolf Gold https://www.wolfpack.gold/?ref=geopolitics Show Notes Nature of the COVID-era public health disaster in the USA, from all-cause mortality and socio-geo-economic and climatic data https://denisrancourt.ca/entries.php?id=107&name=2021_10_25_nature_of_the_covid_era_public_health_disaster_in_the_usa_from_all_cause_mortality_and_socio_geo_economic_and_climatic_data Denis Rancourt: “Pandemic” Being Used to Accelerate US-led Globalization vs Sovereign Eurasia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNm7_9SRB08 GEO-ECONOMICS & GEO-POLITICS DRIVE SUCCESSIVE ERAS OF PREDATORY GLOBALIZATION https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332182416_GEO-ECONOMICS_AND_GEO-POLITICS_DRIVE_SUCCESSIVE_ERAS_OF_PREDATORY_GLOBALIZATION_AND_SOCIAL_ENGINEERING_Historical_emergence_of_climate_change_gender_equity_and_anti-racism_as_State_doctrines Websites Denis Rancourt https://denisrancourt.ca Twitter https://www.twitter.com/denisrancourt Ontario Civil Liberties Assocation https://ocla.ca/about/executive-members Denis Rancourt @ ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/profile/D_Rancourt Activist Teacher https://activistteacher.blogspot.com Telegram https://t.me/drdenies TRANSCRIPT Geopolitics & Empire: The Geopolitics & Empire podcast is joined by returning guest, scientist, social theorist and researcher at the Ontario Civil Liberties Association, the controversial, dare we say, Dr. Denis Rancourt. Denis, how are things in the Canadian Fourth Reich? Denis Rancourt: I didn’t know I was controversial. I guess it depends who you talk to, who I’m controversial with. But anyway, it’s a pleasure to be here again for this second time, I think on your show and I’m ready to go at it, everything about what’s happening in Canada, all the way into geopolitics, for sure. Geopolitics & Empire: All right. Yeah, we first spoke almost a year ago. I think in February of 2021. We discussed what I’ll call the “Crown Ailment” and the bigger context and picture of what’s really going on. And we based that discussion on your excellent 2019 report on geo-economics, geopolitics and predatory globalization, which amazingly was prescient and foresaw back in 2019, many of the political and economic aspects of what began to occur in 2020 after a pandemic was declared. You’ve got a new report or study published a few months ago on what you determine is the true nature of the public health disaster, at least in the US. And your conclusions further confirm what we were discussing last time that there is no pandemic. And it’s a hard pill to swallow, but I think that’s where we’re at. And the more I think about it, the more this seems to me to be the case. I’m just not seeing it anywhere. It’s as if one day out of the blue, all of a sudden governments arbitrarily have declared we must all wear masks, bathe in poisonous gel, take our temperature and use a digital yellow star passport for no reason. And by all measures, it just doesn’t seem to qualify as a pandemic. And as you detail in your report,2 the mortality numbers are not there. We have misdiagnosis, widely used government protocols that are probably the true culprits killing people and I’m seeing more and doctors say this. And the government imposed psychological stress, you talk about, the mass injection into people of these questionable fluids and so forth. And so we’re continuing the conversation to get an up to date perspective from you of where your mind’s at. And we can start, I guess, to touch on the health aspect, and then we can get into the geopolitical. So it’s 2022, what is the true nature of this fake pandemic, Dr. Rancourt? Denis Rancourt: Okay. Well, the national jurisdiction where it is easiest to study the COVID crisis is the United States and that’s for a couple of reasons. One is they have very good data. You can get all-cause mortality data in detail as a function of time, by state, by jurisdiction, by age group, et cetera; when people died, how old they were and so on, when and where. So they have very good data and they put it out fairly quickly. And it’s a big place. You’ve got 50 states that you can study individually. So you can compare 50 different jurisdictions that are almost like countries in their own right. So when you’re looking for correlations, you’ve got 50 points on the graph of the differences from state to state. When you’re comparing, you’re looking for correlations between mortality, excess mortalities, for example, and some characteristic of the state, whether it’s poverty or something else, and so on. So the United States is an excellent place. The other reason it’s a good place to do this kind of study is because there are an enormous amount of excess deaths in the US, unlike any other Western country, really. So when we quantify it, we find that there were over a million extra deaths in the United States compared to the historic trend of before the pandemic was announced.[1] So there’s over a million deaths that you’re working with that are clearly above the historic trend. That’s a massive amount. And for example, in Canada, the number of excess deaths above the historic trend is zero, statistically zero. There is no difference in all-cause mortality integrated by year, by calendar year, by cycle year, however way you want to measure it. There’s no difference compared to the historic trend, nothing statistically significant whatsoever. So if a virulent pathogen occurred in the US and killed a million people, how did it not cross the border into Canada? What the heck is going on? And the answer when we look in detail is there was no special virulent pathogen that we can see the effect of that spreads like a viral respiratory disease. There was no such thing. What we see instead is we see jurisdictions very localized that had a large number of extra deaths and everywhere where we see it at the time where we see it, it’s in direct response to something really stupid and criminal that the government did, or the way that the medical establishment responded to something. So all the deaths in my view, when I look at all-cause mortality in detail of all the Western countries, every province in Canada, every state in the United States, I can say that I cannot understand the excess mortality except to say that they were due to the way that the medical establishment responded and that includes refusing treatment, and the way that the government locked down and destroyed the economy and people’s lives and isolated people and caused enormous individual stress and social isolation. Those were the factors that killed people and a large number in the United States. Geopolitics & Empire: And what about the rest of the world? I’m assuming that we can just take that and just apply it to pretty much every country where we have maybe other countries, apart from- Denis Rancourt: Yeah, like I said, Canada is an example where there’s absolutely no statistical increase, even though there was all the same crazy, nonsensical government response and media talk and everything. And if you look at Europe, most Western European countries are the same, there’s statistically no increase in mortality. The places that have significant increase in morality compared to the historic trend, are former Eastern Bloc European countries. So for example, Ukraine has a big excess, and so on. Now, if you look at in more detail and really finely, you can find, of course there are anomalies. A lot of Western countries had a very sharp peak of all-cause mortality right after the pandemic was announced. But we know that that was from the horrid measures that they imposed immediately, where they took the sickest people from ICU units and hospitals and everything to free up the beds and sent them into care homes, elderly people, and locked them into those care homes. So this was a murderous practice and every jurisdiction that did that aggressively had a large, immediate response peak in the mortality. So they accelerated the death of elderly people. And we know that they accelerated those deaths because we can see that for that age group, after that couple of months, the deaths come back down to normal and go sub historic trend for that age group. That’s called the dry tinder effect. So we know that they accelerated the mortality for a couple of months, right after the pandemic [was announced]. And then once they had killed off the most fragile, there were less deaths in that age group than there would have been otherwise from the historic trend. So there’s all kinds of features like that, that you can see in the excess mortality. France had a peak like that, the UK. Canada had its own peak, especially in Quebec of that nature, even though integrated over a year, there’s not statistically more deaths. But they still killed elderly people, accelerated their deaths by those measures. So there’s all kinds of details like that in the all-cause mortality. So basically, if you want to know if something has happened, that has caused an enormous amount of deaths suddenly in a causal fashion, the most reliable data is all-cause mortality, because you have it on a fine time scale. You can do it by day, if you want. And you’ve got enough resolution there that you can start to figure out what happened. And so when we use that data to the best of our ability, I do not see any evidence that there was a virulent viral respiratory disease on the planet that came on and did things. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. And I was the first interview of the BioWeapons Act author, Dr. Francis Boyle in 2020, January. And I’ve moved away from the bio-weapons angle. Even though they do the gain of function and all of that stuff, I’m just thinking that this was just a giant false flag and it was for economic and political purposes that- Denis Rancourt: But why would you call it a false flag? I mean, it was a campaign that was orchestrated and planned, massively coordinated across the world, especially the Western world and it was done for reasons. But a false flag is when you want someone to be blamed for something they didn’t do, right? And so I don’t see it as a false flag. I wouldn’t use that term, but it’s definitely a campaign. Sorry, that triggered me, the false flag thing. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. I mean, my definition is more, it’s like they tell us it’s for this reason, but in reality it’s really about something else, and in that sense. And just for you to sum up, because I want to get into the geopolitical and I don’t want to dwell too much on the health stuff because people can read your report. Can you just conclude that it’s really not about health what has gone on with the pandemic? Denis Rancourt: Well, it’s about health in that many people are dying. It’s about health in the sense that they definitely killed people and are killing people and there’s no doubt about that. Just recently, this is not published yet, but I was looking at the detailed all-cause mortality for Ontario, the province where I live in Canada. And what we see is that in the second half of May, they stopped the lockdown and they freed up society, restaurants and bars opened up and we were going back to normal, and so on. And there’s a drop in all-cause mortality coincident with exactly that definitive change in government measures. First time I’ve ever seen that, a very clear drop in all-cause mortality in the province of Ontario where they did that. So there is no doubt that there’s hard evidence that the measures were killing people. Now in the United States, the big paper you’re referring to, which is on my website, the people who died in this way, it’s strongly correlated with poverty of the state and obesity, the average obesity rate in the state, and therefore it’s related to diabetes and so on. And the big killer is certainly bacterial pneumonia. And the CDC admits that bacterial pneumonia is omnipresent almost whenever they have a death associated with COVID-19. So there was a very real epidemic of bacterial pneumonia in the United States, 10 times more than you normally would have at the same time where the medical establishment was recommending to MDs not to prescribe antibiotics, and most MDs were refusing in telemedicine to prescribe antibiotics. So it’s the poor, elderly, obese in the states that have low life expectancy, those were the people that died, clearly, and the mechanism was bacterial pneumonia to a large extent. And that mechanism is known to be very sensitive to stress and to social isolation because your immune system gets depressed by those things. So there’s a detailed explanation, maps of where these deaths occurred and everything in our latest paper that came out a couple months ago.2 It’s 170 pages full of graphs and data and everything and we explain in detail what happened there. And I think that it’s the most comprehensive study of the health aspects of this COVID crisis, if you like. Geopolitics & Empire: Have you gotten critics or skeptics who maybe question your research or wonder if you might be wrong in your calculations? Have you gotten people talking to you- Denis Rancourt: I mean, I would love for people to want to debate me about the data and everything. I mean, it can’t be wrong. It’s robust all-cause mortality studied as a function of time and jurisdiction and by age group. So it can’t be wrong. You either have a peak there or you don’t. And you can integrate the magnitude of that peak and you can look at what the historic trend is and you can see where it occurs and where it doesn’t occur. So you can’t be wrong. It’s not like I’m looking under the microscope and seeing the wrong thing. You know what I mean? It’s not like I have to interpret, oh, is that a virus, or is it a vesicle, or is it an artifact in my microscope? No, no, I don’t have to interpret anything. I’ve got hard data and I’m looking at it in detail using accepted statistical methods and this is what I can tell you what I see and what I don’t see. And so I can’t be wrong, I don’t think. Geopolitics & Empire: All right. Well, let’s then turn towards the geopolitical, geo-economic. You tweeted to me today, a question, “You want to know ‘why COVID?’ COVID measures are the war measures against domestic backlash against the consequences of the USA’s economic geopolitical war with China,” end quote. And so, there’s a lot to unpack here, a lot going on. I mean, my earlier point was that we’ve determined that project COVID, what they sell us as what COVID is, has nothing really to do with health or public health in their minds, but has everything to do with a larger, I’ll say globalist geopolitical, geo-economic war going on. And in my mind, it seems to be a cover that disguises the battle for, and or construction of world government on one hand, the goal of all history, a planetary world empire. And the big players of course, are North America together with Europe, Eurasia together with China and so forth. And so if we can’t explain these pandemic government policies and war measures in terms of health, as they tell us, then what is really going on, in your mind? Denis Rancourt: Okay. Well, the tweet that I put out this morning that you read was the graphs. The figures that I showed in that tweet were to show that one of the biggest news items today is that the inflation has for the first time reached levels comparable to what it was in 1982. We’re just breaking all the records regarding inflation right now in the United States, 7% per year. That’s huge, right? Huge. And so you have to go back many decades before you see that kind of thing again. And so inflation, like this is a direct consequence of a transformation of the global exchange manufacturing system. China was an integral part of the US dominated capital system and now the US is decoupling from China and is in an economic war against China. And this is causing incredible inflation because a lot of things that were made cheaply in China and where everything had been efficiently made in the global economy and came to an equilibrium is now being completely disrupted. So there’s going to be huge inflation and inflation means that the savings of ordinary people disappear. And so your long term security, even your pensions, everything is put at risk, if you allow inflation to be in this way. And you’re necessarily going to get inflation when you disrupt the supply chains to this degree and decide that you’re going to reorganize the global economic system. And so I see COVID, at least in great part as being war measures that are being applied to the domestic populations. By war measures, I mean complete surveillance, complete control of your movements, everything in that regard, and also you’re not allowed to travel anymore. In effect, that’s what it is. And so they know where you are, what you’re doing. They allow certain things [but they] can cut off your spending. They can cut off where you’re allowed to go to spend, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. They’re putting in the e-currency at the same time, and this is the way to bring it in. So it’s complete control of the domestic population in a hard way. I mean, we’re talking your money. And you do that, it’s war measures in a war. And the war is the economic war with China, basically, Eurasia and the development of Eurasia and the path that it was on. So I don’t agree with you that we’re … We’re not close to worldwide globalization right now. We’re still in a period where there is some competition against the major globalized bloc controlled by the USA and that that alternative bloc is places where you have real sovereignty like China and Russia and their economic exchanges and the places that they can have influence in, and that they have economic ties with and so on. That bloc is on a growing trajectory and is clearly going to surpass and has, or just at the crossing point of surpassing the US system. So the US has decided to try to crush it or harm it as much as it can. And the way to do that is to decouple US investments and US economic collaboration from China. First, they tried to negotiate a new deal. That’s what Trump did, trying to coerce China into accepting very unfavorable conditions regarding all the economic exchanges that were allowed, that were integrated. And when that didn’t work, they decided, all right then, we’ll militarily circle them and threaten them and cut off all of our economic and their ability to have the kinds of economic exchanges broadly that they had before as well. And so there’s a real economic war between real opponents. It’s geopolitics, we’re not just fine tuning a globalized world. This is a real geopolitical war I believe and COVID is our war measures. The COVID measures are war measures in the context of this geopolitical economic war that will last at least a decade, at least a decade. So the kind of control that they’re installing now and everything, nothing will ever be brought back. There’s no way, there’s no way. They want complete control. They want complete impossibility of any democracy or resistance from within as they transform the world in this way and even risk hot wars. And so that’s what I think COVID is principally. It was a CIA coordinated campaign to bring in place these measures, because they are consistently what you want. The only kind of system that can go to war in a serious way and create damage and suffering to even the domestic population is a totalitarian system. So you never have democracy during war time and you always have this absolute totalitarian system, and that’s what they’re installing. And that’s what they’re putting into place in making sure that real democratic governance never returns, not for the near future anyway. So that’s how I see COVID as this one feature in this geopolitical struggle. Geopolitics & Empire: What I’m struggling to understand is that as you outline this struggle between the east and west, maybe this is my kind of binary thinking where I would think, okay, the west is struggling against Russia and China. The west is applying these totalitarian war measures to its own population. And you would think that Russia and China wouldn’t apply those measures to their own population, but it seems that across the board- Denis Rancourt: On the opposite. On the opposite. Geopolitics & Empire: Why are all countries then … It seems as if all over the world, governments- Denis Rancourt: Look, this is a war that is massive and everyone domestically has to apply these war measures because everyone has to be concerned about domestic terrorism and domestic resistance and internal strife that would take away from the ability to respond in war-like conditions. So China and Russia are imposing what they feel is necessary because they don’t want to be left behind.[1] They see the west developing these incredible surveillance and control mechanisms and an e-currency. They can’t have freedom on their side because this would make them too vulnerable, way too vulnerable in comparison to this totalitarian system that is gearing up for a war and that is right in a war. So I believe that China and Russia impose [and maintain] these measures for their own reasons, and those reasons have a lot to do with the geopolitical tensions that are being created, because you don’t have the geopolitical tensions just in one of the parties, but in all of the parties that are involved in this struggle. So that’s how I understand it. I mean, the west has discovered a way to take away the nuisance of democracy and to install complete surveillance and control of all citizens and movements in the country. Why would the opponents, Russia and China not take advantage of this, under the cover that it’s legitimate to do it because COVID, because pandemic, et cetera? Why would they not do it? They’d be crazy not to do it. You see? So that’s how I understand it. There’s no way that they’re doing it because they’re being directed from above by the same people that are directing the United States. To me, that’s just a fantasy. Of course China has been developing and enforcing its own surveillance, censorship and control apparatus for decades, which is part of how it maintained its sovereignty against the challenge of the largest economic takeover campaign in history, which began after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, see Footnote-1, but now it is seen as justified in doing so and in expanding those measures, using the globally propagandized pretext of public health. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. Well yeah, it makes sense. I cannot believe at this point that our politicians, I think in most countries, be they mayors, local officials, governors, or presidents that at least that they would know that this isn’t about health anymore because the way they’re selling these measures to us, it doesn’t make any logical sense. So I have to believe that they are in on it, or they’re forced to implement these measures, that they know that they’re carrying out tyranny. Denis Rancourt: I kind of disagree with your premise. You’re basically saying they must know, they would know. And the problem I have with this is the following, they don’t work that way. Health officials don’t work on the basis of knowledge. They never question themselves in terms of what is true and what makes sense. Their functioning, their way of operation is based on careerism, is based on their career, their status within the profession, their status with their employer and so on. That’s the filter, that’s the filter. So it’s not about understanding and really evaluating what’s better for the population, or what’s better for people. It’s all about ensuring that your professional an employee status and your status in society are maintained, are optimized, are increased. And it’s about obedience and it’s about fitting into that establishment. So it’s not about science or understanding or judgment, or morality or anything like that. These are careerists. These are careerists. You’ve got to understand that. They’re not like free thinkers, they’re not like you and I. They don’t operate that way. They’re not trying to figure out what’s going on here and is this good for society, and so on. They’re just doing what’s good for their careers, period. There are exceptions that prove the rule, but mostly it does not occur to them to think, what does this really mean? Can I read this scientific paper and understand it? What are the premises here? Do I agree with this? What’s it based on? What’s the scientific basis for what this author is putting forward? They don’t think that way. It never crosses their mind. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. And I do see what you’re saying. I mean, the people that I know, I’ve got young, former students who are now studying medicine in university, and they just take in what they’re told and they don’t question anything else. And then they just go with the flow as you’re laying out. Denis Rancourt: Well, they’d be punished to question it because it would be a loss of their resources. It would be a loss of their energy to start questioning it. They have a full-time job just obeying and learning by heart what they’re being told and learning what the procedures are and learning what the rules of the game are and learning how to get ahead. That’s a full time job for them, so they can’t waste their time trying to figure out what’s really going on here. There’s no rewards for that kind of thinking, none whatsoever, only punishment. So why would you go there? I mean, MDs that come out of medical school are like robot zombies. They’re applying protocols and repeating what the rules are and learning what the rules are. And the rules are more and more complex all the time. And the rules, meaning the protocols, are changing all the time as well and their duty is to keep up with them. They need to know the rules and how they’re changing. And so that’s part of how the whole system holds together and they just keep doing this. So they can go down this path of something that the establishment wants and that’s at the same time of great profit to pharma. They can go very far in that direction without ever there being a flag raised or anything because they’re trained to operate that way. Geopolitics & Empire: This is just what boggles my mind, because I’ve always been a person that just questions every step that I take forward and I can’t believe how other people don’t operate like this. Denis Rancourt: I know. Geopolitics & Empire: And so, I wanted- Denis Rancourt: You and I are at a disadvantage in that regard. The disadvantage is because we’re that way, we have a tendency to think that most people are that way and we try to analyze things through that lens, but it’s not the correct lens. Most people are just ensuring their position within the dominance hierarchy of society, period. That’s all that matters. And we’re just freaks, we’re just freaks. We’re freaks of nature. It’s accidents of our upbringing and the societies that we were born in, and so on. We’re just freaks of nature, I think. Geopolitics & Empire: All right. And I wanted to get your thoughts … Yeah, I agree. So we covered the health aspect. We covered the east-west geopolitical aspect, and then you’re talking about the war measures, and so I want to get your thoughts on that. So I’m here in Jalisco, Mexico, which is probably the second most important state. This week, they have just announced obligatory PCR testing, or vaccine passports to enter a number of establishments here. One other state in Mexico called Tlaxcala, which is maybe the tiniest state in Mexico has made it mandatory, the vaccine passport, for everything, including supermarkets and parks, nature parks. This is according to a report. And so I believe this is going to spread to every state and every country on the planet, if nothing stops it. And I think that they need every single citizen to be vaccinated, or at least tested or whatever, to have the vaccine passport, which is going to link to the digital currency, as you mentioned, because this is the new global system, the new financial political system. Once this system is in place, we don’t have rights anymore, as you mentioned, no more democracy. We will be in a digital prison. There was an interesting article that I read recently from Strategic Culture by, I think former MI6, British diplomat, Alastair Crooke. And he was citing a professor who says, quote, “The consequences of emergency capitalism are emphatically bio-political. They concern the administration of a human surplus that is growing superfluous for a largely automated, highly financialized and implosive reproductive model. This is why Virus, Vaccine and COVID Pass are the Holy Trinity of social engineering.” And he says that the virus passports are meant to train the multitudes in the use of electronic wallets, controlling access to public services and personal livelihood. The dispossessed and redundant masses together with the non-compliant, like you and me, are the first in line to be disciplined by digitalized poverty management systems directly overseen by monopoly capital. The plan is to tokenize human behavior and place it on blockchain ledgers run by algorithms. And the spreading of global fear is the perfect ideological stick to herd us toward this outcome, end quote. So what are your thoughts on this dystopian- Denis Rancourt: Well, that’s fine. I understand where he’s going with that. But you could impose an identity system, a pass that’s electronic that prevents you from spending money wherever, you could do all that simply by saying, we’re at war and these are war measures, and you’re going to do it. You could do it that way. You wouldn’t need to vaccinate people or force them to wear face masks. The big advantage of forcing people to be vaccinated and wear face masks is that you’re forcing them individually to submit and to submit to a very high degree. To agree to have the state inject a substance into your body, to agree to have the state to restrict your breathing, this is a high level of submission, and they want that because they don’t want independent thinkers. They don’t want people resisting in any way, because they’re about to create a dystopia and they are going into an economic war that could have all kinds of repercussions. And they’ve decided that democracy and independent thinking people are a real nuisance, and therefore they want to train you like they would train any animal to accept in a very submissive way. And so, if you are accepting a substance being directly injected into your body, that we know can cause your death, that we know can cause permanent damage to your health and all kinds of horrible things and is causing health problems in young, high performance athletes around the world, all these things, we know all that, and you know all that and you’re still going to accept it. By accepting it in that way, two things. You’re buying into it personally, so you believe the lie. Once you buy into it to that degree, it’s hard psychologically to admit that you were wrong and maybe you shouldn’t have let them inject you, or maybe this whole thing is not true. Once you invest to that degree with your own body and you’ve been wearing a mask for months and months, and months, and telling others and glaring at them when they don’t wear a mask, you’re really part of that. You’re ingrained into that at the deepest psychological level. You have bought into it. You invested personally in it, and that’s what they want. That’s why vaccination is so important to them. They want complete submission, I think. That’s how I understand it. So you get a very strong tie with accepting the authority of the system and you accept it completely. You know what? It’s like when new prisoners arrive in a prison and the guards make a point of being really harsh in terms of disciplining them at the beginning, to make it clear to them that there is no chance, you just obey whatever we say. Don’t even think of resisting or being independently minded here, it’s not going to work. And then they really do that, they break you down. It’s that kind of thing. They’re breaking down the entire population and getting us to buy into it. And it’s a horrible system. Look, it’s a complete dystopia. It’s really monstrous what they’re doing, but that’s what they’ve decided to do. They so want to run the world and be on top of the world for the foreseeable future, they cannot put up with a competing system. They don’t want a multipolar world. It’s been monopolar for very long. They’ve been really good at developing this hierarchical control of everything. In my geopolitics paper that you mentioned that I wrote in 2019,[1] I explained how the geopolitical integration of the US-centered globalization was dramatically increased after the Bretton Woods Agreement was retracted from unilaterally by the United States in 1971. And then the second big overall, really big increase, acceleration of that globalization was in 1991, ’92 when the Soviet Union disintegrated. And then there were other periods as well. And they’ve been putting into place ways of enforcing that and trying to impose it on the whole world. And I think that the global warming narrative has been part of that. There was a real attempt there to be able to control the development of countries through their usage of carbon or through carbon and so on and have a carbon economy. I think they toyed with the idea that the new international currency that has to replace the dollar eventually, because there’s a lot of trading going on that’s excluding the US dollar because they don’t want US sanctions. So Russia and China, and many, many pairwise countries exchange in their own currencies now. They circumvent the dollar. So they saw this as a real threat, and they’ve been looking for a way around this, and I think they want e‑currencies now. And they want an e-currency that can take over the world. They want an e-currency based, US-centered economy that is so strong that it will gobble up the e-currencies being set up in Russian and China eventually, and that is impossible to circumvent. You can circumvent the US dollar, but you won’t be able to circumvent this. And so I think that’s the kind of thinking that they’re adopting. It’s geopolitical war and our domestic politics is a slave to that. That’s what’s really going on. Geopolitics & Empire: Speaking about that e-currency, that sounds a lot like Bitcoin, no? Denis Rancourt: Yeah. Except that it will be controlled by these global forces, right? Geopolitics & Empire: Right. So my biggest concern at the moment right now in general for the coming weeks, months, I don’t know, are these dystopian COVID war measures, because I won’t be able to do anything pretty soon. So that’s my number one preoccupation at this moment. How dark do you think things will get, because they’re reintroducing lockdowns. I’ve seen videos of these curfews in Quebec. They’re putting people in house arrest in different countries. And soon we might even lose access to our bank accounts. And like I said, in this Mexican state, you can’t even go in a supermarket to buy food. So what do we do? Denis Rancourt: I think we’re still in the phase that they’re breaking us down, like we’re the new prisoners arriving in this prison. And I think they have to be really strict and really extreme because whenever they perceive a chance that we’re going to start saying, no, this is nonsense, you’ve gone too far, or this is crazy, or I don’t see people dying of this disease around me, so I don’t believe it anymore, as soon as they get a sense of that, they have to press harder. They have to squeeze even harder. So they’re playing this very dynamic game, if you like, of really imposing, letting go when they have to, giving in a bit when local governments have to give into a particularly strong local domestic movement. There’s going to be this constant struggle like this. They’re trying to find to what extent can [they] really acquire control. Once they feel that you’re no longer a threat, they’ll allow you to have some freedom that they can take away any time. Those are the kinds of warlike conditions that we’re entering into now. And it’s absolutely insane because there is no way that after billions of years of evolution and coexistence between viruses and bacterial pathogens, and for hundreds of millions of years [air] breathing animals on earth and so on, there is no way that all of a sudden there is a new virus that appeared that requires all of these measures or else the species will die and the hospitals will overflow to the point that there’ll be even bigger catastrophes, worse than major earthquakes and you name it. That’s just complete nonsense, that all of a sudden a new viral entity has landed on the planet that now we need to have a booster every four months, or we’ll all get sick and die in hospital. This is just complete insanity, complete nonsense, complete nonsense. So that’s where we’re at is that they can actually … The level of ignorance and the loss of independent thinking and the loss of individual pride and individual control over your local community and your local government is so great that they can tell this lie and get everyone to go along with it. It’s just unbelievable. Geopolitics & Empire: That last point you made is what I’ve been tending to use in arguing with normies or people who are just buying the official propaganda is that if you just stop and think all of these measures just don’t make any sense, so something else is going on. And as I related, my biggest concern are these COVID war, dystopian measures. For you, in terms of research or just your personal worry of everything that we’ve talked about or we haven’t mentioned, what are you most worried or focusing on in terms of the war measures, geopolitics, geo-economics, what’s going on in Canada? What are you thinking about most these days? Denis Rancourt: I’m a social theorist, so I try to understand these big phenomena. I’m a scientist. I’m a multidisciplinary scientist, so I try to understand, well, are more people dying? Where are they dying? Why are they dying? What’s going on here? What are the forces at play? I just try to understand this. It’s in my nature to try to understand the world that I’ve been popped down into. That’s what I do. But at the same time, I have to think, how can I best as an individual resist against this? Where can I play a role? Who can I help that is resisting? And so on. That’s really important too. So I find that it’s like a lot of people will say, “Well, we need a mass movement of resistance.” And I don’t like that when people say that, because they don’t understand what a mass movement of resistance is. They don’t understand that a mass movement of resistance is completely useless and ineffective, unless it is a coalition of individuals who are truly resisting individually. You see what I’m saying? So if [you’re] waiting for this mass movement, [you’re] waiting for big crowds in the streets, they don’t care about big crowds in the streets, that has no impact. The only time a big crowd in the street is a concern to the establishment is when that big crowd in the street is marching towards the prime minister’s residence in order to trash the place. That’s when that crowd is of concern. When they’re marching to close down an industry or to close down the mainstream media buildings, or to visit some influential people, because they don’t like what they’re doing and give them a talking to, that’s when those big crowds are of concern. The fact that there are big crowds in the streets expressing their opinion, or even their anger is not really of concern. In the past, historically, crowds, often called mobs, were influential because of the potential of actually doing things, not because they were expressing their opinions. They have caused us to forget that, to not know history, to not know how social change occurs. In the United States, people don’t know the struggles that occurred in order to give workers rights, in order to give true democratic protections against an employer that forces you to do extremely dangerous work, even if you know, on average, you’re going to die by the time you’re 30 or 40, and how to prevent employers from hiring children, because it’s more convenient to hire them and they’re more easily trained, and so on, and they cost you less. All the basic fundamental health and worker rights were won in the United States, in a period where industry was murderous. We’re talking coal mines, we’re talking vicious industry with dangerous machines, we’re talking all these things. Those battles were won by people who fought in the trenches and who organized in the workplace. And these were serious. Mary Mother Jones was one of the main activists that is still written about and talked about who organized coal miners and people like that. These were the real battles that showed the state that you had to have a minimum amount of decency for people and respect their families and their basic needs and sanitary conditions in the home. Because in the industrial period, in the UK and in the developing Western world, workers were treated truly like slaves. They were housed in unbearable conditions. The life expectancy for the lower class workers of the economic development that came with industrial development was typically, I don’t know, 30 or something years old, right? People were dying like flies. There was disease everywhere. There was no sanitation. All of this was the reality of a lot of people because of modernization. And people had to slowly fight against those horrible conditions and make so-called capitalism, more tolerable and more equitable. But that was a struggle, that didn’t happen on its own. It was a real fight. So we’ve forgotten all of that history, we’ve forgotten what you have to do. When the government gets it in its head that it’s going to screw you over a certain way and not care about your basic decency and your basic rights and your basic freedoms, the things you have to do to fight back are pretty significant. It’s a real battle. It’s not enough to just go out in the street and protest. If it is enough, good, and then you can do it. And then if it works, great. But if it’s not working, you got to figure out something else. And the thing that I say is the very first thing you got to do is to not comply, do not get injected, do not wear a mask, do not go where entry is forbidden, do not do any of these things. Don’t comply. Don’t comply. Follow your gut and do not comply. And I practice that in my own personal life. I will go shopping and not wear a mask. And it works very well because a lot of people know that this is crazy and is not right, and they won’t bother you. They won’t bother you. So you can at least show that there is some resistance still there. But when I resist personally, because it’s a deep, personal conviction for me, I’m prepared to really hold my ground. If the manager comes out with five employees, they’re trying to convince me, or they bring in the security guards, so be it, so be it. I will fight them and then I will fight them the best I can in court and elsewhere. I will try to expose it, make it public, and I will help others who are fighting in the same way. But that non-compliance is the kind of personal conviction that you need to make I think, because without individual non-compliance as a first step, as part of this coalescing crowd of people that will eventually create more change. A lot of expression will come out of new political parties as well. You’ll have to constantly look for political expression that you can get behind. You have to evaluate them carefully, and you have to change your mind, if it turns out that they’re just not authentic, or they’re not real, or they’re not doing enough, or they’re not taking the right route. But there is a potential. There’s still structures in place that allows political parties. And so use every structure you can, do everything you can and resist it, I would say Geopolitics & Empire: What you just said, I think that’s the first and best answer is just noncompliance. That’s the primary answer. If enough people just didn’t comply, they couldn’t move forward. And unfortunately- Denis Rancourt: It’s not an answer and you cannot qualify it with if enough people did this. If you think that way you’re moving away from “I will not do it”. I don’t care what you’re doing. I don’t care if there’s a million people doing it or not. I don’t care if there’s only five of us in the country, I will not [comply]. Once you take that stance, that is the kind of real stance, personally, that is the only thing that can eventually constitute a real movement. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. And that’s the stance that I have. I’ve been doing what you’ve been doing since day one. I’m just not complying with going anywhere where a mask is required. And if I have to, in the rare occasion … We recently went to the beach and we went to a hotel. And it’s when you register at the hotel, you have to put on the mask, but once you’re done registering, you go to your room and then you walk around the hotel and go to the pool, no one’s wearing a mask, which is just insane. And so when we’re registering, the lady tells me … I’m the only one not wearing a mask in our group and she tells me, put on a mask. And I sternly looked at her and I put on my mask. And I always have in my wallet, I take out one of these little stickers. It’s in Spanish and says the people in Germany in the forties also didn’t know that their governments were brainwashing them, or another one that says, I can’t still believe that people think all of these measures have to do with stopping a virus. And I put it on my mask like this, and I stare at her and that’s my way of resisting, politely telling her you’re nuts and I’m not happy with your fascism, but I’m doing this now. And so this is just like, when you have- Denis Rancourt: Every circumstance you have to judge how you’re going to respond, whether or not you’re really going to take it all the way. You have to choose your circumstance in the circumstance that you’re at. I’ve had occasions where my wife, my wonderful wife has said, “Denis, please, we’re going in there together, please put your mask on.” Geopolitics & Empire: See. Oh, that was my point. That’s something that happened because what you mentioned earlier, this having the courage to really, like you said, that willing for the manager and the five employees to come surround you, I have that, that’s what I did. And my wife, when she saw me doing that, she was like, “Oh,” because they’re embarrassed. They don’t yet have the courage to deal with that publicly. And she was like, “Oh no, what are you doing?” And I was like, “No.” Denis Rancourt: Yeah. So every situation is different and there will be new situations that will arise because it’s a moving battle, there’s many moving parts, there’s all kinds of things happening. And as long as we stay alive with the desire to resist this thing in the most effective way that we can, we will see opportunities and we will have occasion to do things. And honestly, they’re not threatening me right now. They’re not taking me away to the insane asylum, like they have done with some MDs who have been politically involved here in Canada, put them into asylums and inject them against their will with various drugs, and so on. That has actually happened to an MD in Canada. So they’re not doing that to me right now. No one’s knocked on my door. They haven’t threatened to cut my pension or take my bank account or anything like that. So I have no reason to crank it up. I feel that I’m playing an important role by helping people understand what’s going on and communicating what I communicate. And also I’m helping many others who are trying to sort things out and they really appreciate my help as a mentor or as a colleague or as a collaborator. So I feel I have a role and I feel I have my place and I still feel that it makes sense to … But as pressure increases, I mean, I think of the people who died in the United States, a million people, I think of the horrendous conditions under which they died. I think of the communities and the homes and the establishments and the families that were destroyed by this and everything. And sooner or later, that kind of pressure, there’s going to be backlash. And there will be, people will discover ways of resisting. It’s unpredictable how it’s going to go. And they have to have good surveillance to spot reactions that might have a potential to do things. So it’s not an accident, for example, when here in Ontario, one restaurant owner is very brave, very outspoken, it was a barbecue place in Ontario, and said, “My place is going to stay open. You’re all welcome. Here are the picnic tables. Come and eat the barbecue.” And everyone came and everyone was happy to do it and it was a movement. Well, it’s not an accident that they sent in, basically an army to close the place down. They want to be intimidating and completely overpowering, handcuff you, break the doors down, close up the area, build a big fence around it, if they need to and take you into the legal system, into the court system, where basically you have this incredibly biased and obtuse court that you have to deal with for years and years and years until you run out of money and get discouraged and be told that this is the most “justice” in quotations that you’re going to get, here it is. So they have to do that because they have to completely kill any spark of real resistance. So you know that, but you never know, one of these sparks is going to work. Someone’s going to figure something else out. And then some of these sparks are going to catch on and there’ll be too many sparks for them to handle, and so on. You never know when that kind of thing is going to happen. It’s a nonlinear complex process. So who knows? Having said that, we also know that a totalitarian [system] can last a long time. Totalitarianism, a totalitarian system that is extreme and does not allow for individual freedom and democratic expression, it can survive for a hundred years or more. And slavery in the US, 400 years. These systems can be stable for a long time. And typically the thing that makes them unstable is competition from another system, another system that finds a more effective way because let’s face it distributed decision making, distributed intelligence, distributed economic motives is a much more efficient system than totalitarianism. That’s why the west has been so successful. To have property rights, to have patent rules, to have laws that allow for private enterprise and corporations and everything, that kind of system with a more distributed hierarchy of wealth sharing and decision making is potentially way more creative and way stronger than a totalitarian system that has a lot of not very healthy people at the bottom of the pyramid. You see? And so when push comes to shove between civilizations, those ones might have more of an advantage. Geopolitics & Empire: Yeah. You answered my last question, basically. I was going to ask you that, apart from continuing resisting, that we just become accustomed over the coming months and years to these dystopian COVID measures. And I have the same view that as you said, there can be some white swan or some event come in, unpredictable, that can change the course of the history that we’re in, or that we could go deep into tyranny. Historically, we have to come to terms with this harsh reality, that it could last a long time, what we’re going into. And so do you have any final then thought to leave us with? Denis Rancourt: Well, I mean, we covered a lot of ground. I would really appreciate if your listeners would go to my website, denisrancourt.ca, and look at the kinds of things that I write about as a social theorist. There’s a whole section on COVID there, there’s a whole section on geopolitics, there’s a whole section on medicine and health, and political theory as well. So I’ve been writing for many years, and I think I’ve discovered some pretty important ideas. Those of your listeners who are intellectually digging into and understanding, I would invite them to go and look at my website. That’s the final thing I could say at this stage. What else can I say that would be more important? Denis Rancourt: I think we’re going to have victories along the way. We’re going to be able to push back. There’s going to be all kinds of examples of really successful pushback. It’s amazing what’s happening in some of the states in the United States. Those are real battles. We’ll see if they can control elections, like they want to control the currency. We’ll see what’s going to happen. It’s a very interesting time to be struggling and to be pushing back. And I would encourage people to take pleasure in that and to take pleasure in discovering about the real nature of their governments. I mean, the only way you find out their true nature is when they go too far like this. And when you push back and see the reaction, that’s when you discover what they’re really like. So consider it a road trip that you go on where you’re trying to discover these things and push back and do what you can, right? I don’t know what to say. Geopolitics & Empire: We took then a road trip where you take a really, really wrong turn. But in any case, it’s funny, I’ve had a bunch of those road trips around the world. And so I’ll include all of the links to your stuff in the description in the podcast, wherever it goes out to every platform. And yeah, it’s always great to talk with you and hopefully we can do it again in the future and hopefully you stay out of the asylum out there in Canada, they don’t come for you. And so thank you. Thanks again for coming back on Geopolitics & Empire. Denis Rancourt: Okay, you’re welcome. Yeah, I’ll do what I can to stay out of there. Outro: I hope you enjoyed this Geopolitics & Empire podcast interview. The website is geopoliticsandempire.com. And I encourage you to sign up for the free email list through which you can receive an update of every new podcast, as well as a long list of key news headlines once a week. We’re being heavily censored. YouTube has deleted some of our videos and we currently have one strike. Patreon has terminated our account. 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He is the author of the book Hierarchy and Free Expression in the Fight Against Racism. *Podcast intro music is from the song “The Queens Jig” by “Musicke & Mirth” from their album “Music for Two Lyra Viols”: http://musicke-mirth.de/en/recordings.html (available on iTunes or Amazon)

The Geopolitics & Empire Podcast’s host, Hrvoje Morić, conducts his first-ever solo podcast covering recent events in Kazakhstan. He lived in Kazakhstan from 2017-2020 and was technically employed by Nursultan Nazarbayev. He gives a nuanced overview of the situation, exploring the different possibilities for the unrest, ranging from: difficult economic conditions, dystopian Covid restrictions, Color Revolution, internal coup, and false flag operation. Watch On BitChute / Brighteon / Rokfin / Rumble / YouTube Geopolitics & Empire · Kazakhstan: People’s Revolt, Covid1984 Pushback, Color Revolution, Coup, and/or False Flag? #250 *Support Geopolitics & Empire! Become a Member https://geopoliticsandempire.substack.com Donate https://geopoliticsandempire.com/donations Consult https://geopoliticsandempire.com/consultation **Visit Our Affiliates & Sponsors! Above Phone https://abovephone.com/?above=geopolitics easyDNS (use code GEOPOLITICS for 15% off!) https://easydns.com Escape The Technocracy course (15% discount using link) https://escapethetechnocracy.com/geopolitics PassVult https://passvult.com Sociatates Civis (CitizenHR, CitizenIT, CitizenPL) https://societates-civis.com Wise Wolf Gold https://www.wolfpack.gold/?ref=geopolitics Show Notes Covid1984 https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/never-forget-one-day-youll-also-be https://eurasianet.org/kazakhstan-taxmen-slammed-for-unlawfully-using-covid-app-data Color Revolution & Coup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMtOme-J3D4 https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202201/1245391.shtml https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/putin:-russian-peacekeeping-mission-in-kazakhstan-to-end-soo https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/01/mysteries-of-the-failed-rebellion-in-kazakhstan.html https://eurasianet.org/kazakhstans-financial-capital-in-lockdown-as-scores-of-protesters-detained https://misk.org.kz/ https://twitter.com/ClintEhrlich/status/1479927694674612230 https://en.azvision.az/news/153683/news.html https://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=2391 https://www.indianpunchline.com/kazakhstan-turns-into-graveyard-for-us-diplomacy/ http://williamengdahl.com/englishNEO13Oct2020.php https://www.rt.com/russia/545705-kazakhstan-shows-us-influence/ https://www.edgekz.com/kazakhstan-poised-rare-earth-boom/ False Flag https://www.amazon.com/Moscow-Bombings-September-1999-Examinations/dp/3838203887/ref=sr_1_1?crid=FPVKWXVK2ROI&keywords=john+dunlop+moscow&qid=1641924773&sprefix=john+dunlop+moscow%2Caps%2C121&sr=8-1 https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-06-10/four-day-terror-spree-leaves-at-least-20-dead-in-kazakhstan About Hrvoje Morić From 2017-2021 Hrvoje was a Global Perspectives teacher at the Nazarbayev Intellectual School in Semey, Kazakhstan. In 2017, under the auspices of Sharon Tennison’s “Center for Citizen Initiatives” and together with 30 other American “citizen diplomats,” he visited Russia for three weeks and met with academics, businessmen, citizens and politicians including former president Mikhail Gorbachev to discuss US-Russia relations with the hope of bringing the Russian people’s desire for peace to the attention of U.S. citizens and policy makers in Washington. From 2010-2017 he had worked as a Secondary Humanities teacher and adjunct professor of International Relations at the Tecnológico de Monterrey in México. From 2008-2009 he obtained a Master of International Relations from the Geneva School of Diplomacy in Switzerland, where he also worked as a staff assistant with the Mission of the Czech Republic to the United Nations. From 2006-2007 he served as a volunteer with Peace Corps in Mongolia, albeit with voluntary early termination due to him being a bit of a listless wistful youth. He obtained his Bachelor of Arts in History and Secondary Education from Northeastern Illinois University in the United States. Born in the U.S.A., bred between the two worlds of America and Yugoslavia/Croatia, and naturalized a Mexican, he is a proud citizen of all three nations! *Podcast intro music is from the song “The Queens Jig” by “Musicke & Mirth” from their album “Music for Two Lyra Viols”: http://musicke-mirth.de/en/recordings.html (available on iTunes or Amazon)

Russian military expert Andrei Martyanov discusses the dangers of American exceptionalism, globalism, and how our societies have become totalitarian. He explains how American military might was lost years ago and how Russia has not only become a peer competitor, but is decades ahead of the U.S. with a missile gap that has become a “technological abyss,” possessing hypersonic weapons against which there is no defense (and which the U.S. does not have), air defense complexes (e.g. S-500s), and so on. True strength lies in possessing both an advanced physical economy together with first-rate military power. Russia has moved to a completely different tactical and operational paradigm. Conventionally, NATO and the U.S. can do nothing, Russia doesn’t sweat them at all. The only war possible would be escalation to the nuclear threshold, but he believes there are enough smart people in Washington to prevent that. He comments on the disintegration of America culturally, and economically, which includes possibilities of hyperinflation and civil war. He believes the pandemic is a leverage points for the changeover of the old guard. Watch On BitChute / Brighteon / Rokfin / Rumble / YouTube Geopolitics & Empire · Andrei Martyanov: It’s Game Over for the West #249 *Support Geopolitics & Empire! Become a Member https://geopoliticsandempire.substack.com Donate https://geopoliticsandempire.com/donations Consult https://geopoliticsandempire.com/consultation **Visit Our Affiliates & Sponsors! Above Phone https://abovephone.com/?above=geopolitics easyDNS (use code GEOPOLITICS for 15% off!) https://easydns.com Escape The Technocracy course (15% discount using link) https://escapethetechnocracy.com/geopolitics PassVult https://passvult.com Sociatates Civis (CitizenHR, CitizenIT, CitizenPL) https://societates-civis.com Wise Wolf Gold https://www.wolfpack.gold/?ref=geopolitics Website Clarity Press https://www.claritypress.com/book-author/andrei-martyanov Blog https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com YouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/smoothieX12 About Andrei Martyanov ANDREI MARTYANOV is an expert on Russian military and naval issues. He was born in Baku, USSR in 1963. He graduated from the Kirov Naval Red Banner Academy and served as an officer on the ships and staff position of Soviet Coast Guard through 1990. He took part in the events in the Caucasus which led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. In mid-1990s he moved to the United States where he currently works as Laboratory Director in a commercial aerospace group. He is a frequent blogger on the US Naval Institute Blog. He is author of Losing Military Supremacy, The (Real) Revolution in Military Affairs, and Disintegration: Indicators of the Coming American Collapse. *Podcast intro music is from the song “The Queens Jig” by “Musicke & Mirth” from their album “Music for Two Lyra Viols”: http://musicke-mirth.de/en/recordings.html (available on iTunes or Amazon)