

Law and Chaos
Liz Dye
Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalists Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez break down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered.
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Jan 31, 2025 • 56min
Ep 103 — Trump Executive Orders Wind Up In All The Courts
Trump issued dozens of imperial edicts — oh, sorry, executive orders. Many of them are wildly illegal, mostly are deeply cruel, and all are being challenged in court. We’ll discuss the pending injunctions on his birthright citizenship order and the “pause” on government spending so that he can redline the federal budget and delete all the “woke.” Links: Trump v. Meta docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61568745/trump-v-meta-platforms-inc/ American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO v. Trump docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69588089/american-federation-of-government-employees-afl-cio-v-trump/ OMB M-25-13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/deb7af80-48b6-4b8a-8bfa-3d84fd7c3ec8.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_2 OMB CLARIFICATION MEMO https://ngma.memberclicks.net/assets/docs/White%20House%20OMB%20Clarification%20Memo.pdf Nat’l Counsel of Nonprofits v. OMB (“Nonprofits Case”) docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69583571/national-council-of-nonprofits-v-office-of-management-and-budget/ State of New York v. Trump (“States Case”) docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69585994/state-of-new-york-v-trump/ OPM Guidance on Schedule F https://www.chcoc.gov/content/guidance-implementing-president-trump%E2%80%99s-executive-order-titled-restoring-accountability Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod

Jan 28, 2025 • 1h 5min
Ep 102 — Trump Steals The Budget (Ft. Bobby Kogan)
Everyone knows that Congress has the power of the purse. What this administration presupposes is … maybe they don’t??? We’ll talk about Trump’s decision to steal budgeting power from Congress in violation of both the Constitution and the Impoundment Control Act with Office of Management and Budget Alum Bobby Kogan. Links: Bobby Kogan https://www.americanprogress.org/people/bobby-kogan/ Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends v. Department of Homeland Security https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69580474/philadelphia-yearly-meeting-of-the-religious-society-of-friends-v/ Trump Energy impoundment EO https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/unleashing-american-energy/ Trump EO pausing foreign aid for 90 days: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/reevaluating-and-realigning-united-states-foreign-aid/ Trump OMB “Clarification” https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/2025/01/omb-memo-m-25-11/ Kendall v. US ex Rel. Stokes, 37 U.S. 524 (1838) https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/37/524/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Jan 24, 2025 • 59min
Ep 101 — Executive Orders: Birthright Citizenship and Disappearing Trans People From Public Life
We’re breaking down two of the vilest executive orders Trump signed on his first day in office. First up, he’s attacking trans people every way he can, and the crueler, the better. How does this interact with the Supreme Court’s holding in Bostock? And Trump ignored 125 years of precedent to declare birthright citizenship illegal. One federal judge has already said NFW. Subscribers get a discussion of the latest Alex Jones bankruptcy negotiations. Links: Skrmetti: It was THAT Bad https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/skrmetti-it-was-that-bad?utm_source=publication-search Trump EO - DEFENDING WOMEN FROM GENDER IDEOLOGY EXTREMISM AND RESTORING BIOLOGICAL TRUTH TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/ Foley & Lardner instructions to clients re: Trump’s EOs https://www.foley.com/insights/publications/2025/01/president-trumps-rescission-executive-order/ Trump EO on birthright citizenship https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/ Coughenour TRO https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.343943/gov.uscourts.wawd.343943.43.0_1.pdf Baldoni/Lively docket https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.635145 Alex Jones docket (for Patreon bonus) https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66583024/alexander-e-jones/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod Contributing Artist: Liz Dye; Andrew Torrez Album artist: Liz Dye; Andrew Torrez Album: Law and Chaos Genre: Government; Politics Publisher: Res Ipsa Media LLC

Jan 21, 2025 • 53min
Ep 100 — Immigration Under Trump (ft. Dan Kowalski)
Trump has vowed to deport millions of undocumented immigrants and close the border. Today’s guest, Dan Kowalski, practiced immigration law for 38 years and writes extensively on the subject. We’ll break down what to expect and how to fight back. Links: Involuntary Departure, by Dan Kowalski https://dankowalski.substack.com/ American Council on Education: Immigration-Related Campus Concerns https://www.acenet.edu/Documents/Issue-Brief-Immigration-Related-Campus-Concerns-2025.pdf Against the Wall https://heliotropebooks.com/books/against-the-wall-my-journey-from-border-patrol-agent-to-immigration-rights-activist/ NYT Debate on Birthright Citizenship https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/08/24/should-birthright-citizenship-be-abolished/eliminating-birthright-citizenship-would-be-a-bureacratic-and-costly-change-of-law Is Birthright Citizenship Good for America https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2012/1/cj32n1-10.pdf Myths and Facts about Birthright Citizenship https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/Birthright%20Citizenship%20091509.pdf IPTP Will Track Trump 2.0 https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/insights/legal/immigration/b/outsidenews/posts/iptp-will-track-trump-2-0 Justice Action Center: Tracking Extremist Challenges to Immigrant Inclusive Policies https://litigationtracker.justiceactioncenter.org/ Us and Them: The Science of Identity https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/U/bo5812106.html Understanding INA Section 212(f): The President’s Authority to Suspend the Entry of Migrants https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/understanding-ina-section-212f-president-authority-suspend-entry-migrants Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Jan 17, 2025 • 1h 5min
Ep 99 — Half A Special Counsel Report Is Like Half A Democracy
The discussion dives into the explosive findings of the Special Counsel Report, revealing alarming presidential conduct. Rudy Giuliani's legal woes are scrutinized, especially in light of a recent settlement. TikTok's surveillance concerns bring forth debates on free speech versus national security. The hosts explore profound implications around Trump’s alleged election interference and how key figures attempted to manipulate the Justice Department. The legal complexities of the January 6 events and the Insurrection Act are dissected, raising serious questions about accountability in today's political landscape.

Jan 14, 2025 • 57min
Ep 98 — Aileen Cannon, Alex Jones, Arkansas
Judge Aileen Cannon is popping off, the Alex Jones bankruptcy continues to be crazy, and judges in Arkansas are going to war with each other. Plus, as always, we’ll check in with our pal Rudy. Links: Alex Jones - TX Plaintiffs settlement https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsb.459750/gov.uscourts.txsb.459750.1011.0.pdf McKesson v. Arkansas complaint https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3671323-McKesson-Complaint/ Baker Jan. 1 appointment orders https://arkansasadvocate.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Appointment-Orders.pdf Arkansas Administrative Order 24 https://opinions.arcourts.gov/ark/supremecourt/en/item/523224/index.do Arkansas Supreme Court per curiam opinion 1/6/25 https://opinions.arcourts.gov/ark/supremecourt/en/item/523226/index.do “Order of Chief Justice,” 2025 Ark. 4 https://opinions.arcourts.gov/ark/supremecourt/en/item/523231/index.do Trump emergency motion to block release of Smith Report https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.700.0_1.pdf Giuliani NY docket https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.627518/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Jan 10, 2025 • 49min
Ep 97 — Trump Loses, and Loses, and … Wins?
Trump narrowly loses his bid at SCOTUS to stave off his sentencing in New York. And the 11th Circuit denies his bid to bury the Special Counsel report. But the case is now back in front of Judge Aileen Cannon, so opportunities for f*ckery abound! Links: Judge Cannon Manages To Out-Crazy Judge Kacsmaryk https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/judge-cannon-manages-to-out-crazy SCOTUS Trump Docket https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24a666.html US v. Trump, Cannon Docket via Court Listener https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/united-states-v-trump US v. Nauta, 11th Circuit Docket via Court Listener https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca11.87822 SCOTUS TikTok Docket https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24-656.html Salaam v. Trump Docket via Court Listener https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69279738/salaam-v-trump/ Griffin v. NC Board of Elections Docket via Democracy Docket https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/north-carolina-supreme-court-2024-election-protests-rejection-challenge/ Filthy Kentucky Title IX Order https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.kyed.104801/gov.uscourts.kyed.104801.143.0_1.pdf Freeman v. Giulani, DC Docket via Court Listener https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68097449/freeman-v-giuliani Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Jan 7, 2025 • 57min
Ep 96 — Trump Demands Dismissal Of NY Case For President-Elect Immunity
Trump is losing his mind at the prospect of being sentenced Friday for his 34 felony business accounts. Now he’s demanding that the case be stayed based on president-elect immunity, something his lawyers Todd Blanche and Emil Bove made up yesterday. And, as always, Rudy Giuliani is wilding out in court. Links: Please Keep Shit Talking Judges https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/please-keep-shit-talking-judges 2024 Year End Report on the Federal Judiciary https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/year-end/2024year-endreport.pdf US v. Boeing docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/29089563/united-states-v-the-boeing-company/ Rudy demands courtroom sketch artist draw him “nice” https://www.reuters.com/world/us/judge-weigh-holding-giuliani-contempt-georgia-election-workers-case-2025-01-03/ Alex Jones - Trustee Motion for Approve PQPR settlement https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsb.459750/gov.uscourts.txsb.459750.1005.0.pdf Roberts EOY 2024 Report https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/year-end/2024year-endreport.pdf Trump NY Docs via Law360 https://www.law360.com/newyork-vs-trump-tracker New York Article 78 https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/cvp/article-78/7803/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Jan 3, 2025 • 1h 5min
Ep 95 — The Blake Lively/Justin Baldoni Defamation/Harassment Suits
Blake Lively is suing Justin Baldoni. Justin Baldoni is suing the New York Times. The New York Times is suing … nobody. Yet. We’ll untangle this f-tussle, and for subscribers, we’ll break down Rudy Giuliani’s wild ride to contempt of court. Links: Paxton NCAA Trollsuit https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/press/NCAA%20DTPA%20Petition%20Filed.pdf Sixth Circuit Strikes Down Net Neutrality https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0002p-06.pdf Second Circuit Affirms E. Jean Carroll Verdict https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca2.60504/gov.uscourts.ca2.60504.176.1.pdf Please Keep Shit-Talking Judges https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/please-keep-shit-talking-judges Trump TikTok brief https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24-656/336151/20241227163400981_2024-12-27%20-%20TikTok%20v.%20Garland%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20President%20Donald%20J.%20Trump.pdf In re MCP No. 185 (Net Neutrality) https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0002p-06.pdf Lively NY Complaint https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1.0.pdf Lively CA Complaint https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf Baldoni CA complaint https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25473221-justin-baldoni/#document/p1 NYT Article https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/21/business/media/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us.html Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Dec 31, 2024 • 1h 13min
Ep 94 — What To Expect When You’re Expecting An Orange Toddler President … AGAIN (ft. Evan Hurst)
We lived through it once, and we’ll do it again. Liz and Andrew talk with Wonkette Senior Editor Evan Hurst about the changing media landscape as we prepare for inauguration. Links: The Moral High Ground https://evanhurst.substack.com/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod