

Law and Chaos
Liz Dye
Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalists Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez break down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered.
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Dec 6, 2024 • 1h 3min
Ep 88 — Meet Brendan Carr, The Guy Who’s Going To Make Internet Service Even Sh*ttier (Ft. Karl Bode)
Trump has nominated Brendan Carr to chair the FCC, calling him a “warrior for Free Speech” who “will end the regulatory onslaught that has been crippling America's Job Creators and Innovators, and ensure that the FCC delivers for rural America." But as tech journalist Karl Bode explains, Carr has threatened to go after media outlets that criticize Trump, and his plans for rural broadband are even worse. And Liz and Andrew break down the issue “scrutiny” in Skrmetti, the SCOTUS case on healthcare for trans kids. Plus, we check in with Rudy Giuliani’s shenanigans in the subscriber bonus. Links: Skrmetti: It Was THAT Bad https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/skrmetti-it-was-that-bad Institute for Local Self Reliance https://ilsr.org/ Karl Bode at Techdirt https://www.techdirt.com/user/kbode/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Dec 3, 2024 • 1h 4min
Ep 87 — Skrmetti Preview: How Low Can SCOTUS Go?
It’s a roundup of Hunter Biden, Rudy Giuliani, and Infowars news, before a preview of US v. Skrmetti, the challenge to Tennessee’s ban on gender confirming care for minors, which will be argued at the Supreme Court on Wednesday. And for subscribers, we’ll catch up with Dinesh D’Souza, who’s getting sued by a man he falsely accused of being a “ballot mule.” Links: Elon Musk’s X is stepping into the legal fight over Alex Jones’ Infowars. Experts say it’s unprecedented https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/29/media/alex-jones-elon-musk-x-infowars-accounts/index.html Freeman v. Giuliani Docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69116157/freeman-v-giuliani/ Hunter Biden Delaware Docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67511701/united-states-v-biden/ Hunter Biden California Docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68072483/united-states-v-biden/ Inside the Collapse of Hunter Biden’s Plea Deal https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/19/us/politics/inside-hunter-biden-plea-deal.html Tennessee SB 1 - Tennessee Code, Title 68, Chapter 33 https://casetext.com/statute/tennessee-code/title-68-health-safety-and-environmental-protection/health/chapter-33-health-and-welfare-of-minors Skrmetti reply brief (gender affirming care) https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-477/331420/20241107183937931_23-477rbUnitedStates.pdf Danyon Anderson et al., Gender Dysphoria and Its Non-Surgical and Surgical Treatments (2022) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9501960/ In re Vital Pharmaceutical (2023) https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-ban-crt-s-d-flo-for-lau-div/2289548.html D’Souza Statement https://dineshdsouza.com/statement-on-2000-mules/ Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Nov 26, 2024 • 59min
Ep 86 — For The Low, Low Price of $525, Matt Gaetz Will Send YOU a Special Message
Today, we learned that Special Counsel Jack Smith has moved to dismiss both of the federal cases against Donald Trump; we tell you what that means and what happens next. On the plus side, we learned that the Onion is almost certainly going to get to buy Infowars AND the next Attorney General of the United States won’t be Matt Gaetz. Although it probably will be Pam Bondi. Oh, and the Supreme Court just took up a case on a 100-year-old doctrine as to whether the government can help rural and underserved areas get phone and internet coverage. Links: Pam Bondi: Less Terrible Than Matt Gaetz https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/pam-bondi-is-less-terrible-than-matt No, Elon Musk Isn’t Riding To Alex Jones’s Rescue https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/no-elon-musk-isnt-riding-to-alex/comments SCOTUS Order in FCC v. Consumers Research https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/112224zr1_7l48.pdf 5th Circuit opinion in FCC v. Consumers Research https://casetext.com/case/consumers-research-v-fed-commcns-commn-4 Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Nov 22, 2024 • 37min
Ep 85 — Can Elon and Vivek Really Burn Down the Federal Government? (feat. Kel McClanahan)
Kel McClanahan joins us for part two of the interview, where he tells us how to keep tabs on Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy as they gear up to do for the federal government what Elon did for Twitter. Meanwhile, Donald Trump is not going to jail, Alex Jones continues to be a ghoul, and Rudy Giuliani has found another lawyer to help him humiliate himself in federal court. Links: Rudy Giuliani Can't Go On Trial, He Has An Inauguration To Attend! https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/rudy-giuliani-cant-go-on-trial-he Roake v. Brumley 5th Circuit denial of stay https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca5.221848/gov.uscourts.ca5.221848.68.2.pdf Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA), 5 U.S.C. Chapter 10 et seq. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/part-I/chapter-10 Kel McClanahan, President Trump’s Cronyism and Excesses Should Prompt Security Clearance Reform https://www.justsecurity.org/63108/president-trumps-cronyism-excesses-prompt-security-clearance-reform/ Kel McClanahan, The Case for Legislative Security Clearance Reform https://www.justsecurity.org/60440/case-legislative-security-clearance-reform/ Kel McClanahan, What Everyone Gets Wrong About Kushner’s Clearance Fiasco https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/01/jared-kushner-clearance-fiasco-217210/ Support and donate to: www.nationalsecuritylaw.org Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Nov 19, 2024 • 1h 6min
Ep 84 — The Infowars/Onion Deal Gets Peeled (feat. Kel McClanahan)
Goblinlover Alex Jones is threatening to jail Ben Collins, CEO of the Onion for trying to buy InfoWars. Meanwhile, the bankruptcy trustee is threatening to seek sanctions against Alex Jones’s lawyers for making frivolous arguments and telling half-truths. What’s next for the efforts to find some measure of justice for the Sandy Hook families? Plus, Donald Trump seems poised to hand over the nation’s national security secrets to a bunch of goons who couldn’t get cleared for a job as a mall cop. Can he do that? We welcome back Kel McClanahan of National Security Counselors to answer all of our security clearance-related questions. Links: Alex Jones Bankruptcy docket (SDTX) https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsb.459750/ Support and donate to: www.nationalsecuritylaw.org Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Nov 15, 2024 • 57min
Ep 83 — The Worst Person You Know … Is Getting Eaten By The Onion
The Onion is making waves by attempting to acquire Infowars, though a bankruptcy judge might put a halt to that. Meanwhile, Rudy Giuliani finds his legal team pulling out of significant cases. The discussion also touches on the ethics of an unexpected new Attorney General nominee, amplifying skepticism about their qualifications. The intricacies of bankruptcy proceedings surrounding Infowars reveal the complex landscape of asset distribution and legal maneuvering, showcasing the chaotic intersection of politics and media.

Nov 12, 2024 • 56min
Ep 82 — Trump Won The Presidency. He’s Seizing Congress By Fiat.
A week after the election, Trump is already demanding that Congress bend the knee and allow him to staff his administration without bothering to get Senate confirmation. Can he do that? And will the new Senate majority leader let him? Links: Musk's X seeks to steer lawsuits to conservative court in Texas https://www.reuters.com/legal/musks-x-seeks-steer-lawsuits-conservative-court-texas-2024-10-17/ Federalist No. 67 (Hamilton) https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/federalist-no-67/ Noel Canning v. NLRB https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=67923386243166640 Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Nov 8, 2024 • 43min
Ep 81 — What Now?
Well, it happened. We talk about what the election of Donald Trump means for you, for the country, for this show, and for the efforts to hold Trump accountable for his crimes against the American people. Special Counsel Jack Smith has announced that he intends to “wrap up” his office; we tell you why and what that means. We’ll be here with you, and we’ll always tell you the truth. Links: NPR report: Smith To Wind Down https://www.npr.org/2024/11/06/g-s1-33021/trump-trials-jack-smith-election-2024 28 CFR Part 600 (Special Counsel regulations) https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/part-600 Trump v. US (2024) https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/23-939.pdf 24 Op. OLC 222 (2000) - Presidential immunity https://www.justice.gov/file/146241-0/dl?inline Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Nov 5, 2024 • 1h 21min
Ep 80 — How To Watch The Election Hour By Hour
Joe Dye is back to talk us through how to watch the election returns. How similar are Wisconsin and Iowa? When will we know the results out of Georgia? And what’s up with that Selzer poll? Andrew and Joe break it all down. Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Nov 1, 2024 • 1h 4min
Ep 79 — Pennsylvania Gets A Jump On Election Litigation
Election litigation is well underway in Pennsylvania, even before election day. The Trump campaign has already racked up a win, since they decided that early voting is … good now? Meanwhile Elon Musk is dodging a civil action by Philadelphia’s DA over his million dollar “lottery,” and Trump filed an absolutely gonzo trollsuit in Texas against CBS. Links: Workers Say They Were Tricked and Threatened as Part of Elon Musk’s Get-Out-the-Vote Effort https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-america-pac-blitz-canvassing-michigan-uhaul/ Lancaster County officials should deliver real answers on voter registration issues — not shut down questions [editorial] https://lancasteronline.com/opinion/editorials/lancaster-county-officials-should-deliver-real-answers-on-voter-registration-issues-not-shut-down-questions/article_6f9b8ae8-9640-11ef-8723-dfe8afbc7b37.html Fed. R. Crim. Pro. 48 https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_48 Baxter v. Philadelphia Board of Elections (Pa. App. Oct. 30, 2024) https://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Commonwealth/out/1305CD24_10-30-24.pdf?cb=1 Trump v. CBS Texas Consumer Protection Law Complaint https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.396451/gov.uscourts.txnd.396451.1.0.pdf Krasner v. Attorney General https://casetext.com/case/commonwealth-v-the-attorney-gen-1 Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod