For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Description:In part two of this epic conversation, we continue our journey around the globe with SydneyHatmaker to hear about some of the amazing adventures and experiences had during her sixmonths travelling across Europe and Asia on a tiny budget.In this episode:● We hear how staying connected while travelling can have some serious pros and cons● Sydney tells us about the 200 hours of intense yoga training she underwent in themagical landscape of the Indian Himalayan Mountains● She tells us about her heart-pounding experience climbing a (LITERAL) active volcano,Mount Rinjani in Indonesia, and how it was the hardest thing she has ever done● And Sydney tells us how she ultimately decided that it was time to hang up the backpackand come back home.As you dream and make plans for 2025, we hope this episode inspires you to broaden yourhorizons, to take chances, and to say yes to new things. One thing we are sure of is that thisonce-in-a-lifetime adventure is sure to be repeated. The only question is where will we go?***Thought-provoking Quotes:I get why people climb mountains. It’s so empowering. You push up hard against the growingedge of your own limits. I didn’t even know that I was capable of pushing myself that hard. Youjust take that feeling and it's contagious, it spreads to other parts of your life. – SydneyHatmakerI met this amazing 70 year old woman in one of my hosels in Turkey who started backpackingwhen she retired. She had been all throughout the entirety of the Middle East. She was soincredible. We all gathered around her. She had the most incredible stories. – Sydney HatmakerResources Mentioned in This Episode:The 9 Enneagram Types Descriptions - https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions/Skyscanner - https://www.skyscanner.com/Rick Steves Travel Guides - https://amzn.to/41mKeFXBerghain Techno Club in Berlin - https://bit.ly/4gfaMNqSagrada Familia - https://sagradafamilia.org/en/Jen’s MeCamp - https://bit.ly/3D1qX2IThe Banana Pancake Trail - https://trail.bananabackpacks.com/banana-pancake-trail/Hostel World - https://www.hostelworld.com/Pyramid Yogshala Yoga School - https://pyramidyogshala.com/Guest’s Links:Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Description:At 24 years old, Jennifer Hatmaker was parenting her first diaper baby on no sleep as a stay-at-home mom and pastor’s wife. By contrast, Jen’s second-born, Sydney Hatmaker, spent half of her 24th year on a gap year travelling the world and banking a lifetime of memories.In this special two-part conversation, Sydney walks us through some of the best moments and lessons learned from her life-changing adventure, beginning in May in Berlin and ending in October in Vietnam. With stops along the way in Sicily, Turkey, Portugal, Spain, Malaysia, Indonesia, India, and Thailand, Sydney gives us some of her best tips for travelling solo on a shoestring budget. It might entail a 40-hour journey taking a car to a bus to a ferry to a bus, to another ferry, to a train, to a taxi, to a scooter, to a hostel, all to save $60, but the point is it can be done and she’s here to inspire us all with tales from her adventure.Highlights from this conversation include: In our GenXcellence Travel-Edition, we reflect on what travel was like for us in the 80s-90s, before satellites and cell phones and Expedia (Sydney has never heard of Traveller’s Cheques)  Sydney gives us her best tips for getting into one of the world’s most popular techno clubs in Berlin (shh! It’s very hush-hush!) We learn about surfing camp on the coastline of the Portuguese Riviera  Why you need to budget more for European travel than Asian travel and how you can eat in Asia on $4 a day Sydney talks about learning to be comfortable travelling on her own and being in her own company – something she thought she was already good at but was pushed to new limits And a lot more….. Be sure to tune in for part two of our conversation next week to hear how the story ends. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:I didn’t have a phone for the last two months of my trip. I still had a laptop so when I was at the hostel on wifi, I could do research and book things but it was a different kind of travel. I made the most of it and it ended up being a bit of an adventure.I obviously had an initial reaction of panic (not having a phone) but then I felt this complete freedom. – Sydney HatmakerI did have some big ideas that I would get something out of my system on this trip, that I would come home and settle down, get a real job, root down in one place but halfway through my trip I realized there is so much more (in the world) that I want to see. There’s so much to do, so much to see and explore and so many ways to make it happen. – Sydney Hatmaker Travelling feels different and way more real when you’re by yourself. I love my own company and my company is better than some random person that I’m not really connecting with. And realizing that, makes it really easy to connect with more people. – Sydney Hatmaker Resources Mentioned in This Episode:The 9 Enneagram Types Descriptions - https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions/Skyscanner - https://www.skyscanner.com/Rick Steves Travel Guides - https://amzn.to/41mKeFXBerghain Techno Club in Berlin - https://bit.ly/4gfaMNqSagrada Familia - https://sagradafamilia.org/en/Jen’s MeCamp - https://bit.ly/3D1qX2IThe Banana Pancake Trail - https://trail.bananabackpacks.com/banana-pancake-trail/Hostel World - https://www.hostelworld.com/Pyramid Yogshala Yoga School - https://pyramidyogshala.com/Guest’s Links:Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Jen and Amy sit down with actress, musician, and author Bethany Joy Lenz to discuss her deeply personal memoir, Dinner for Vampires: Life on a Cult TV Show (While also in an Actual Cult!). Bethany opens up about her experience in a high-control group, known as “The Big House Family” religious cult, the complexities of spiritual abuse, and how she found her way back to faith and autonomy with the help of a One Tree Hill fan. They explore themes of manipulation, resilience, and the power of telling your story.This raw and inspiring conversation offers hope, clarity, and empowerment for anyone navigating their own path to freedom.Jen and Amy “Rant or Rave” about New Year’s resolutions and Amy teaches us some creative perspectives to take to feel more successful in this space. And we reminisce about our favorite shows from the early 2000s. West Wing… the best! Criminal Minds, 24, Gray’s Anatomy, all bingeable. Gilmore Girls, c’mon. And what about One Tree Hill?***Thought-provoking Quotes:It doesn’t feel like a courageous act. It’s survival. Courage is when you are fully aware of the dangers that lie ahead – like a fireman, willing to run into a burning building to grab a baby – that’s courage because you know what’s at stake. When you are already in the burning building trying to find your way out, it doesn’t take courage, it’s survival – “find me the exit, how do I get out?” – Bethany Joy LenzMy faith has evolved into something that is much more connected to my gut which feels much more authentic. I feel a lot more comfortable asking questions and I really value doubt. The truth rises to the top. I think God is capable of communicating with all of us when it’s the right time in the right way. If the gospel shows us anything, it's that God meets us where we are. – Bethany Joy LenzI think a lot of Christians live in a space where we think it's very noble to not question God, like we think he’ll love us more, appreciate us more, we’ll be better disciples or believers. But he gave us the brains that we have for a reason. Is he capable of satisfying our intellect or not? So, push the button as hard and as far down as you can. It’ll hold. – Bethany Joy LenzGod is big enough to hold all of you. There’s nothing that you can present to God that is going to scare him off. He can handle the worst version of you, the angry version of you, the confused version of you. You don’t need other people to hold you. The Bible is full of stories of God one-on-one with someone (Job, Moses, Jesus) so you don’t need to be afraid of being alone with the Lord. – Bethany Joy LenzResources Mentioned in This Episode:Paul Teal - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3806295/Joy’s tribute to Paul Teal - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCf3CtopQt1/Dinner for Vampires: Life on a Cult TV Show (While also in an Actual Cult!) - https://www.amazon.com/Dinner-Vampires-Life-While-Actual/dp/1668067307Drama Queens Podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/344eFGlcjmdAUqvWzPJzBkTim Keller sermon on Doubt - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/praying-our-doubts/id352660924?i=1000678149013Modern Vintage News - https://www.modernvintagenews.com/Guest’s Links:Joy’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/msbethanyjoylenz/Joy’s Twitter - https://x.com/itsjoylenzJoy’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/BethanyJoyLenz/Joy’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@msbethanyjoylenzConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Description:In this delightful episode, Jen Hatmaker sits down with bestselling author Josie Silver, the brilliant mind behind One Day in December. Josie shares her journey from writing ten novels to achieving massive success with this enchanting Christmas love story. Together, Jen and Josie discuss the creative process, the inspiration behind her characters, and the challenges of crafting a love story that spans a decade.Josie opens up about the unexpected ways her personal life influences her writing, how she brings authenticity to her characters, and what it feels like to finally hit her stride after years of writing. Whether you're a die-hard romance fan or simply looking for your next great read, this cozy conversation will inspire and entertain.Thought-provoking Quotes:You write the men you want them to be, not necessarily the men they are. That’s part of the magic of romance writing.” – Josie Silver“I think a lot of the little, quiet moments in life—the shorthand between people who truly know each other—are what make stories feel real.” – Josie Silver“Do you want help, or do you want a hug?” – Jen Hatmaker, reflecting on parenting young adults.It was a joy to write this book. Some books come out more easily than others and, this one, I wrote in six weeks. Some books have taken six months, some have taken far longer; whereas this one, every time I sat down, everything just seemed to work. – Josie SilverResources Mentioned in This Episode:One Day in December: A Novel by Josie Silver - https://amzn.to/3OD2D9AGuest’s Links:Josie’s books - https://amzn.to/3VlTFl3Josie’s website - https://josiesilver.com/Josie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/josiesilverauthorJosie’s Twitter - https://x.com/josiesilverJosie’s BlueSky - https://bsky.app/profile/josiesilver.bsky.socialJosie’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/JosieSilverAuthorConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Settle in, listeners. Jen and Amy have invited Greek and New Testament professor and scholar, Reverend Dr. Angela N. Parker to the show to reflect on the Advent season with some words of hope and liberation. She took our butts to seminary, opening our eyes to what it looks like when you examine the scripture through the lens of womanist theology and the experiences of Black women. But as Dr. Parker tells us, “I’ve lived long enough to know that God will bring me through but sometimes it’s hard and sometimes it hurts. But even after the hurt, the tender spots get more resilient.”There’s so much to unpack in this one. Jen and Amy discuss their favorite Christmas movies and debate whether classics like Gremlins and Die Hard fit the genre  Dr. Parker explains how liberation is a collective journey, not an individual one – and how everyone, including white men, can need it. We learn how understanding the historical context of scripture is vital for its interpretation. And we also talk about some of the holiday hullabaloo we’re ready to Bless and Release this season. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“If I’m liberated, I don’t want to be liberated alone.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“We don’t want to think about the early church being enslavers.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“If our biblical text is wrestling with the idea of empire from Genesis to Revelation, we are wrestling with empire as well.” –– Dr. Angela N. Parker“When we work as a collective, we actually do better to transform society.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“The tree at the end of Revelation 21 has the leaves for the healing of all the “Ethnae”, for all the ethnicities, for all the nations. That’s what John the Revelator sees in his final vision.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“In my own work, I talk about how I try to even get whiteness out of me. Even as an African American woman born and raised in these United States, there are elements of whiteness that are in me, on me and a part of me. That’s just what we swim in.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“Hope breaks forth in the midst of terror, fear, and overwhelm. It’s normal to have [those feelings]. Don’t trick yourself into ignoring them. It’s best for us to acknowledge what is going on around us but to remember that hope breaks through.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“I’ve lived long enough to know that God will bring me through but sometimes it’s still hard and sometimes it still hurts. But even after the hurt, the tender spots get more resilient.” – Dr. Angela N. ParkerResources Mentioned in This Episode:Orange Theory - https://www.orangetheory.com/en-usJames Hal Cone - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._ConeJacquelyn Grant - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquelyn_GrantDelores Williams - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delores_S._WilliamsKatie Cannon - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_CannonAlice Walker - https://alicewalkersgarden.com/Rev. Dr. Margaret Aymer - https://www.austinseminary.edu/cf_directory/dirprofile.cfm?p=2576&id=4459Sisters in the Wilderness: The Challenge of Womanist God by Delores Williams - https://amzn.to/4eV3NceIf God Still Breathes, Why Can't I?: Black Lives Matter and Biblical Authority by Rev. Dr. Angela N. Parker - https://amzn.to/3YkO9QoGuest’s Links:Angela’s website - https://theology.mercer.edu/faculty-and-staff/parker/Angela’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/boozybiblescholar/Angela’s Twitter - https://x.com/BzyBibleScholarAngela’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/WomanistNTScholar/Angela’s TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@boozybiblescholar Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Jen introduces Amy and the For the Love audience to her long-time friend, comedian Heather Land, who gained fame as a social media sensation through her viral I Ain’t Doin’ It videos. They discuss Heather’s journey from an early career in ministry to one in comedy, and now to her newest passion project, life coaching. Heather talks to Jen and Amy about the impact of burnout and the challenges of reinventing oneself, especially at different life stages and finding joy in her new creative project, the Dear Heathers podcast (that she co-hosts with best-friend Heather Lenard) encouraging other women to embrace their journeys and feel empowered.In this episode: Jen and Amy share their mixed feelings on receiving unsolicited advice. Inspired by the Dear Heathers podcast, Amy and Jen reminisce about what it was like using landline phones when they were teens. Shocker: Jen even remembers her old phone number! The group talks about the importance of recognizing signs of burnout and how reinventing oneself is a vital part of personal growth Heather shares how support from friends can play a crucial role in our journey, like when her friend advised her to ‘do it [comedy] afraid’. Jen, Amy, and Heather talk about women looking to others with relatable stories when they go through difficult experiences and how community can be our greatest lifeline. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“What do I have to lose except my dignity?” – Heather Land“Standup is maybe the hardest form of comedy. It’s not scripted. You don’t have directors and writers. It is a hot seat and it’s live. It’s sink or swim. You picked the hardest way to be funny.” – Jen Hatmaker“You are in full integrity when you make a change when something is still working. That is a move that is in full alignment which is something to be proud of.” – Jen Hatmaker“We ask kids ‘what do you want to be when you grow up?” and I don’t think we leave a lot of room for ‘What do I want to be next?’ or ‘what do I want to be when I’m 40, or 50, or 60?’.” – Heather Land “I’m sorry, I have not hired you as my life coach.” – Amy HardinResources Mentioned in This Episode:Heather’s I Ain’t Doin’ It Playlist - https://youtu.be/slcwYADYwRc?si=Oe-m-0jf3-wDdVmHDear Heathers Podcast - https://www.heatherlandofficial.com/podcastHeather Lenard - https://www.heatherlenard.com/Life Coaching with Heather Land - https://www.heatherlandofficial.com/life-coach#book-an-appointmentNichole Nordeman - https://www.instagram.com/nicholenordeman/Susannah Lewis (Whoa Susannah) - https://whoasusannah.com/Jen Hatmaker Book Club Cruise January 30-February 3, 2025 - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/pages/cruiseOnly Murders in the Building - https://www.hulu.com/series/only-murders-in-the-buildingShould men take baths? - Dear Heathers: Ep. 3 Bath Time with the Swon Brothers - https://apple.co/4eI6s9bGuest’s Links:Heathers’s website - https://www.heatherlandofficial.com/Heather’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/heatherland_iaintdoinitHeather’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/iaintdoinit/Heather’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs4omp2klYLTOqqY56j-8AgDear Heathers Podcast - https://www.heatherlandofficial.com/podcastConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe SupportBeltTM is designed and validated for Ford and Lincoln vehicle specifications and is intended only for use in those vehicles; Ford is making the design available via license for other automakers to manufacture and test in their vehicles. For shoulder belt use only. Do not use on lap portion of belt. Not for use by children or with child seats or booster seats. For use by mastectomy patients.The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Krista Tippett's work in the realm of spirituality and human experience is unparalleled. She just has a divine gift for distilling complex topics into clear, palatable information that we can sit with, dissect, and examine. She uses her OnBeing podcast as a place to conduct honest conversations with theologians and thought leaders about what it means to be human, what it means to be alive. Curiosity is welcome in her space. She brings a sense of calm to everything around her. So during the frenzy of the holidays, which can be both joyful and stressful, we wanted to circle back to this centering conversation with Krista to decompress and be at peace with the world. This conversation feels like an oasis in what is always a chaotic month so it’s our gift to bring it back for you this week. Segments:Bless and Release: Rules for holiday decorating and making the holidays magicalGenXcellence: Essentials for outfitting a GenX space***Thought-provoking Quotes:If a thing is feeling stressful and not joyful, it needs to be re-evaluated. – Jen HatmakerI actually found in the Bible, reading it for myself directly, that it completely honored the questions, and it honored the anguish, and it was full of things that didn’t make sense or were contradictory. And for me that was an opening to not feel that faith had to be in opposition to what didn’t make sense or was contradictory. – Krista TippettThere has to be a way to represent the complexity of this, and also the centrality of it, the fact that it’s more about questions than it is about answers, and the array of how we walk around with this, and what it means in our lives, and the ways we practice, and the vocabulary we have, and the different ways we pray. I wanted to show that you could talk about this and we could speak about the part of ourselves that we mean when we use language of religious or spiritual. – Krista TippettThe sensibility, the intentionality with which something is offered, shapes the reaction that comes at it. – Krista TippettI do have a spiritual homeland and I do have a spiritual mother tongue. That matters. – Krista TippettResources Mentioned in This Episode:Walter Brueggeman – https://www.walterbrueggemann.com/The Prophetic Imagination – https://onbeing.org/programs/walter-brueggemann-the-prophetic-imagination-dec2018/ Thích Nhât Hanh – https://plumvillage.org/ Desmond Tutu – https://www.tutu.org.za/ Mary Oliver – https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-oliver I Got Saved By the Beauty of the World – https://onbeing.org/programs/mary-oliver-i-got-saved-by-the-beauty-of-the-world/Guest’s Links:OnBeing Podcast - https://onbeing.org/series/podcast/Krista’s website - https://onbeing.org/our-story/krista-tippett/Krista’s Twitter - https://x.com/kristatippettConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As we journey into this Advent season, Scott Erickson, better known to most by his moniker in the internet and art world as Scott the Painter, discusses his journey of faith and the creation of his 'Honest Advent,' project aimed at reinterpreting traditional Christmas narratives through a lens of vulnerability and authenticity. He reflects on the paradoxes of belief, the importance of community, and the need for honest conversations about faith and the human experience, particularly during the Advent season. With a great deal of compassion and humor, Scott shares insights into his creative process, the significance of connection in his work (which has resonated so deeply with his community that many have it tattooed on their bodies), and the need for honest spiritual experiences in today's world. His work is not just visually beautiful. It’s also meaningful, bringing a beautiful new approach to an old and familiar story.Thought-provoking Quotes:“As an artist, I love the brand of Christmas – red and green, complimentary colors. I love the music – the soundtrack, I love all of it. But I thought, is this a distraction from life or is this a hopeful message for the reality of it?” – Scott Erickson“I want to know if I should just give up on my beliefs. If God’s not in the world and this isn’t a story that’s happening, then I just want to move on. But, if we are celebrating this thing and if it is happening, then that’s what my invitation is. By going through those things, and thinking through, and praying through, and then creating out of it, the fact that it then becomes a path for others to walk, that’s the greatest gift in making art.” – Scott Erickson “It’s amazing, the alchemy of what happens when you hand the work over and then it becomes something new in the hands of your audience and the people that are experiencing it and they bring a story to it that you couldn’t even fathom. You’ve done your part, you did the creation part, stewarding your gift, putting it out there to the best of your ability and then they take it and it becomes something more. I’ll never get over that exchange.” – Jen HatmakerResources Mentioned in This Episode:FitBit - https://store.google.com/category/trackersScott’s Tattoo FAQ - https://www.scottericksonart.com/tattoo-faqSay Yes: Discover the Surprising Life beyond the Death of a Dream by Scott Erickson - https://amzn.to/3AEVfaoScott Erickson’s Shows - https://www.scottericksonart.com/showsThe Enneagram Institute Personality Types - https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions/Honest Advent: Awakening to the Wonder of God-with-Us Then, Here, and Now by Scott Erickson - https://amzn.to/4fgK6fcGuest’s Links:Scott’s website - https://www.scottericksonart.com/Scott’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/scottthepainterScott’s Twitter - https://x.com/scottthepainterScott’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/scottthepainterScott’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@scottericksonartScott’s Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.com/scottthepainter/_created/Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today, Jen gets to fulfill a dream of interviewing one of her favorite influences and mentors in the food world. The iconic six-time James Beard award-winning Ruth Reichl sits down with Jen to discuss her extensive impact on food culture spanning the last several decades. They hit on everything from the alarming state of the modern food industrial complex, how we source our food and the impacts it poses to our health (as well as the hope they see for our future), to what it has been like to document the evolution of food across the changing media landscape of print media and the internet. Ruth reflects on highlights from her career as a chef, food critic, editor, tv personality, author, novelist and documentarian and discusses the challenges and joys of her various roles in the culinary world, including the emotional toll of her work which has garnered both admiration and criticism.***Thought-provoking Quotes:The way that we eat, the way we have handed over our health, our environment, our communities to the idea of industrialized food is truly terrifying. – Ruth ReichlThe more you say no, the more people want you. – Ruth ReichlAlmost no one likes what is written about them. No matter how flattering a portrait may be, people don’t like it. So when it’s really not flattering, people don’t like it. – Ruth ReichlResources Mentioned in This Episode:Food and Country Film - https://www.foodandcountryfilm.com/Michael Pollan - https://amzn.to/4g1bkGVBarbara Kingsolver - https://amzn.to/3D0fv7fWhite Oak Pastures - https://whiteoakpastures.com/Gourmet Magazine - https://bit.ly/3D2LN1BTender at the Bone: Growing Up at the Table by Ruth Reichl - https://amzn.to/3OEwjmSCondé Nast - https://www.cntraveler.com/contributor/ruth-reichlNew York Times - https://www.nytimes.com/by/ruth-reichlGarlic and Sapphires: The Secret Life of a Critic in Disguise by Ruth Reichl - https://amzn.to/4ifrUo9The Paris Novel by Ruth Reichl - https://amzn.to/3BfyUk4Save Me the Plums: My Gourmet Memoir by Ruth Reichl - https://amzn.to/49vwfiXGuest’s Links:Ruth’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ruth.reichl/Ruth’s Twitter - https://x.com/ruthreichlRuth’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/@ruthreichlbooksRuth’s Substack - https://ruthreichl.substack.com/Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this conversation, recorded the morning after the presidential election, comedy phenom Tig Notaro joins Jen and Amy (donned head to toe in black in mourning) to unpack the events of the day and to help them find their happy place in the world again, which she accomplishes with tactical success. By the end of the show, they’ve laughed so hard, they’ve forgotten most of their cares. In this episode, Tig regales us with her journey as an Emmy and Grammy-nominated comedian, the influence of her free-spirited mother, and how her family dynamics (and a few hilarious stories from her boys) have shaped her comedy. She also reflects on her journey of authenticity, what it means to be an icon in the LGBTQ+ community, and the significance of being true to oneself. In Rant or Rave, Jen and Amy muse about whether or not they have the chops to make it in stand-up, and we learn that Amy definitely has a deep well of material at her disposal. Speaking of which, be sure to listen for Tig’s story about the weirdest gig she’s ever performed!***Thought-provoking Quotes: One of the things my mother told me growing up was to tell everyone to go to hell if they had a problem with me. And I certainly do not walk around telling everyone to go to hell but I think there’s this thing in me, whether you know I was told that or not, I think people can tell that I don’t have a desperation and I’m not going to do backflips for anybody. – Tig NotaroI didn’t bust out of the closet. I went through my own process of figuring things out. I wasn’t born knowing I was gay. When I did come out, it was just an authentic feeling and decision of, this is who I am. – Tig NotaroResources Mentioned in This Episode:Annette Benning - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000906/John Travolta - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000237Cher - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000333Olivia Coleman - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1469236/Broadchurch - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2249364/Wicked Little Letters - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20234774/Taika Waititi - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0169806/Ryan Reynolds - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005351Denzel Washington - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000243Julia Roberts - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000210Notting Hill - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125439Jason Bateman - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000867Smartless Docuseries - https://play.max.com/show/f8c800e3-7639-4883-a0f1-8eb5adbb5cedI’m Just a Person by Tig Notaro - https://amzn.to/3ZjlfQYTig: A Netflix Documentary - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3986532/One Mississippi TV series - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4947608/Under a Rock with Tig Notaro - https://www.amazon.com/Under-Rock-Tig-Notaro/dp/B07SJZ4TKMKevin Nealon - https://www.instagram.com/kevinnealon/This American Life with Ira Glass - https://www.thisamericanlife.org/Star Trek: Discovery - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5171438/Hello Again - https://www.amazon.com/Tig-Notaro-Hello-Again/dp/B0CV4FNJ27Guest’s Links:Tig’s website - https://tignation.com/Tig’s Twitter - https://x.com/tignotaroTig’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/tignotarocomedy/Tig’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tig+notaroHandsome Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/handsome/id1702258458Don’t Ask Tig Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dont-ask-tig/id1523507379Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerJen’s Holiday Gift Guide - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/pages/gift-guideThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices