The Immeasurable Podcast

You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast and this episode is an exploration on education between Darcy Gray and Jaap Sluijter. Darcy Gray's interest in Krishnamurti's teachings began in his early twenties, leading him to join the Krishnamurti School in Ojai, California, shortly after its establishment in 1975. During his three-decade tenure at Oak Grove School, he engaged in staff dialogues with Krishnamurti and David Bohm, contributing to various roles in the high school, elementary school, and administration. While teaching math and physics, traditionally approached with rote methods, Darcy prioritized innovative ways of presenting the subjects, fostering a collaborative learning atmosphere in the classroom. His teaching philosophy involved questioning both right and wrong answers, encouraging students to share their perspectives even when divergent from his expectations. Despite retiring in 2020, Darcy remained actively involved in Oak Grove School’s Krishnamurti discussions, volunteering and sustaining a profound interest in K’s questions and dialogues. Jaap Sluijter has a long-standing interest in the questions raised by Krishnamurti. Currently, Jaap is the Executive Director of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America. Previously, he lived and taught at Brockwood Park School in England. He has an MA in Mechanical Engineering and worked as a design engineer in the field of camera systems and musical instruments. Together, Darcy and Jaap discuss education, drawing insight from Krishnamurti's teachings. They explore the nuances of establishing a meaningful teacher-student relationship, emphasizing the importance of fostering independent thinking. The speakers advocate for a serious learning dynamic, addressing challenges such as fear, judgment, and bullying in the classroom and highlighting the need for clear expectations and standards.In this dialogue, Jaap and Darcy explore the intricacies of addressing conflict in school, emphasizing the examination of personal desires and vulnerability. They also discuss the impact of Krishnamurti's emphasis on questioning and awareness. The speakers concluded by challenging traditional notions of intelligence, promoting freedom from conditioning, and envisioning schools as spaces for creativity and growth, breaking away from the dichotomy of obedience and rebellion. Click here to watch the previous episode they reference, which pertains to the Flame of Learning book. You can also view this episode on YouTube.Follow The Immeasurable on Instagram (@krishnamurtifoundationamerica)Follow The Immeasurable on Tiktok (@j.krishnamurti)Subscribe to The Immeasurable on YouTube (@theimmeasurable)Like The Immeasurable on Facebook (facebook.com/theimmeasurable.org) Support the show

Welcome to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode comes from discussions Krishnamurti had with teachers at Brockwood Park School, recorded in 1976. These dialogues were turned into a book called A Flame of Learning. In the previous episode, “Learning from Every Moment,” Leah and Pooja discuss similar themes. More specifically, they highlight how concepts like authority, discipline, and control impact students, as well as what it means to learn as an educator. This episode delves into the significance of the teacher and student, exploring topics such as authority, sensitivity, and learning. Krishnamurti emphasizes the value of collaborative learning between teachers and students.Krishnamurti said, “It is important to establish right relationship between yourself and the student. You cannot do this if you are sitting on a pedestal as a teacher and treating the students as though below you. Come off the pedestal and establish a relationship of mutual learning.” You can find this quote in the book A Flame of Learning, where you can read these dialogues in print. For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurtiInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamericaKrishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/ Support the show

You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast. Welcome to our new listeners and hello again to our returning subscribers. This is the second episode in which we explore education. In this episode, Leah Luong is joined by Pooja Dubey, who comes from Delhi and is a former student of Raj Ghat Beasent School, Varanasi. For the last few years, Pooja has been actively involved in dialogues (both online and offline) at the Bangalore Study Center. In this episode, Pooja discusses her experience as a former student at the Krishnamurti School in India. Together, they explore what it means to learn, the essence of education, and how Krishnamurti schools differ from traditional educational systems. Follow The Immeasurable on Instagram (@krishnamurtifoundationamerica)Follow The Immeasurable on Tiktok (@j.krishnamurti)Subscribe to The Immeasurable on YouTube (@theimmeasurable)Like The Immeasurable on Facebook (facebook.com/theimmeasurable.org)  Support the show

The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 12: The Intelligence of LoveSeries: The Ending of TimeCan the mind, brain, the whole psychological structure ever be free from all conflict, from all shadow of disturbance?Thought is the outcome of psychological accumulation. That accumulation gives a sense of continuity, which is time.Why do all human beings throughout the world have the urge to become?In accumulation man has sought psychological security, and that security with its accumulation is the factor of human division.Perception without any motive, without any direction, perception of the wall which has been brought into being by this movement of accumulation, the very perception of that is intelligence and love.For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurtiInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamericaKrishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Support the show

The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 11: An Order Beyond All Human Order and DisorderSeries: The Ending of TimeCan insight wipe away, banish, or dissolve the whole movement of being tied, attached, dependent, and lonely?Is there an order which is not man-made?Measurement can exist only where there is disorder.We live in a man-made world, we are the result of man-made minds. Can the mind uncondition itself so completely that it’s no longer man-made?What is the relationship between love and hatred?For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurtiInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamericaKrishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation of TrustFollow The Immeasurable on Instagram (@krishnamurtifoundationamerica) Support the show

The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 10: Cosmic OrderSeries: The Ending of TimeIs there an order which is not made by humans? Can the brain ever be free from the impositions, pressures, wounds, bruises, and all the trivialities of existence? Time is my whole existence. I take refuge in the past, which cannot be changed. Why does the brain accept this way of living, and why doesn’t it break it down?As long as I have my roots in the past there cannot be order.If the universe is not of time, can the mind which has been entangled in time unravel itself and so be the universe?For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurtiKrishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation TrustFollow The Immeasurable on Instagram (@krishnamurtifoundationamerica) Support the show

The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 9: Senility and the Brain CellsSeries: The Ending of TimeIs the human brain deteriorating?The human brain is not a particular brain, it doesn't belong to me or to anyone else, it is the human brain which has evolved for millions of years. Can the brain not only be aware of its own movement but can the brain itself have enough energy to break all patterns and move out of it?Is psychological knowledge not in itself a factor of the shrinking of the brain?The ending of suffering comes about when the self, which is built up through time, is no longer there.If there is an insight into the nature of time the very brain cells which are part of time break down. The brain cells mutate, bring about a change in themselves.Meditation is insight.For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurtiInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamericaKrishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - Support the show

The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 8: Can Insight be Awakened in Another?Series: The Ending of TimeWhat is the relationship to society of an individual who has insight? What is their action with regard to war and the whole world?To divert the course of humanity’s destruction, somebody must listen.For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamericaFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurtiKrishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust Support the show

The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 7: Death Has Very Little MeaningSeries: The Ending of TimeIs there a totally different way of approaching the whole turmoil of life?As long as the center is creating darkness, and thought is operating in that darkness, there must be disorder, there must be everything as society now is. To move away from that you must have insight.Insight can only come about when there is a flash which abolishes not only the darkness but the creator of darkness.Human beings have been acting according to one pattern, responding to hatred by hatred and so on. There are those few, perhaps many, who did not. Why has this division taken place?The man who is living in darkness can move away at any time to the other. That is the point: at any time.What happens to a mind that has no conflict?For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurtiInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamericaKrishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - Support the show

The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 6: Can Insight Bring About a Mutation of the Brain Cells?Series: The Ending of TimeCan insight change the brain cells?In the brain is there an activity that is not touched by consciousness?Insight is not dependent on the material process, which is thought. Where there is violence, peace cannot exist. Where there is peace, is there violence?As insight is causeless, is not born out of cause, that insight has a definite effect on that which has cause.The material process acts in ignorance, in darkness. This flash of insight enlightens the whole field, which means ignorance, darkness has been dispelled.For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurtiInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamericaKrishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust Support the show