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Chainalysis
Public Key is the cryptocurrency and compliance podcast, brought to you by Chainalysis.
Every week Chainalysis Chief Marketing Officer, Ian Andrews sits down with thought leaders in the space to discuss
▪Emerging risks and opportunities in blockchain technology
▪How policymakers around the world are approaching crypto regulations
▪Data-driven insights into the latest trends in crypto economics and crime.
▪Breaking news in the crypto market
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⚠Our podcasts are for informational purposes only, and are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, or investment advice. Listeners should consult their own advisors before making these types of decisions. Chainalysis has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.
Chainalysis does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material.
Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Chainalysis. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Chainalysis employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company.
Every week Chainalysis Chief Marketing Officer, Ian Andrews sits down with thought leaders in the space to discuss
▪Emerging risks and opportunities in blockchain technology
▪How policymakers around the world are approaching crypto regulations
▪Data-driven insights into the latest trends in crypto economics and crime.
▪Breaking news in the crypto market
Subscribe to be first to hear the Public Key podcast
You can also stay up to date with crypto news by reading the industry leading Chainalysis blog and subscribing to the Chainalysis newsletter: https://blog.chainalysis.com/
Follow Chainalysis on:
▪Twitter: https://twitter.com/chainalysis
▪LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/10607336
To learn more about criminal activity in crypto including scams, money laundering, ransomware and more, download the 2023 Crypto Crime Report: https://go.chainalysis.com/2023-crypto-crime-report.html
To Keep Up With Ian Andrews, follow him on:
▪Twitter: https://twitter.com/IanAndrewsDC
▪LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianhandrews
⚠Our podcasts are for informational purposes only, and are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, or investment advice. Listeners should consult their own advisors before making these types of decisions. Chainalysis has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.
Chainalysis does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material.
Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Chainalysis. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Chainalysis employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company.
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Sep 26, 2023 • 36min
Bridging the Gap Between Wealth Advisors and Digital Assets
Bridging the Gap Between Wealth Advisors and Digital Assets
It’s no secret the biggest institutional investors are jumping into digital assets and tokenization of real world assets, but how do Wealth Management Advisors keep up?
In this episode, Ian Andrews speaks to Sarah Morton (Chief Strategy Officer) and Hashim Mitha (Chief Executive Officer) of MeetAmi, who started their cryptocurrency journey in the bitcoin mining industry before providing education, tools, and services to enable wealth managers and advisors to invest in digital assets.
They emphasize the importance of education for advisors, in order to make recommendations to their clients and the need for regulatory clarity in the industry.
The conversation goes deep into real world asset tokenization and decentralized finance while highlighting the importance of due diligence when dealing with investors and what the future of wealth management in the digital asset space will look like.
Minute-by-minute episode breakdown
(2:23) - How the MeetAMI founders were introduced to digital assets via mining
(5:18) - Overview of MeetAmi's platform and digital services to wealth advisors
(10:20) - The future of real world asset tokenization and blockchain technology
(15:06) - Challenges with lack of regulatory clarity in the US crypto market and comparison to Canada
(17:25) - Morningstar partnership and AmiLearn educational platform
(22:02) - Importance of education and understanding risk for advisors entering into digital assets
(29:25) - Experience building in a crypto down market and advice for founders
(34:18) - The hybrid future of tokenization and DeFi in the wealth management ecosystem
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Website: Meetami:Your Digital Asset Practice is a Journey. We'll Drive.
Courses: AmiLearn gives advisors everything they need to know about Digital Assets
Video: Tetra Trust x Meetami: Crypto Literacy: Why Education Matters
Blog: The tokenization of assets is disrupting the financial Industry
Blog: AmiLearn Digital Asset Learning Platform Now Available to Morningstar Advisor Workstation Subscribers
Blog: Cryptocurrency Penetrates Key Markets in Sub-Saharan Africa as an Inflation Mitigation and Trading Vehicle
Blog: The 2023 Global Crypto Adoption Index: Central & Southern Asia Are Leading the Way in Grassroots Crypto Adoption (Reserve Your Copy Now)
YouTube: Chainalysis YouTube page
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Speakers on today’s episode
Ian Andrews * Host * (Chief Marketing Officer, Chainalysis)
Sarah Morton (Chief Strategy Officer, MeetAmi)
Hashim Mitha (Chief Executive Officer, MeetAmi)
This website may contain links to third-party sites that are not under the control of Chainalysis, Inc. or its affiliates (collectively “Chainalysis”). Access to such information does not imply association with, endorsement of, approval of, or recommendation by Chainalysis of the site or its operators, and Chainalysis is not responsible for the products, services, or other content hosted therein.
Our podcasts are for informational purposes only, and are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, or investment advice. Listeners should consult their own advisors before making these types of decisions. Chainalysis has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.
Chainalysis does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material.
Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Chainalysis. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Chainalysis employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company.

Sep 19, 2023 • 39min
Examining The Crypto Dark Web And Cyber Underground
Examining The Crypto Dark Web And Cyber Underground
The “Cyber Underground” is an organized marketplace for money mule networks, malware exploit development and ransomware.
In this episode, Ian Andrews speaks to Michael DeBolt, Chief Intelligence Officer of Intel 471, as he updates listeners about the cybercriminal underworld and the role of threat intelligence in combating cyber threats.
Michael explains with the increased activity of ransomware actors and other cyber attacks, cryptocurrency has become the de facto means of payment.
The discussion emphasizes the importance of collaboration between the public and private sectors in disrupting cybercriminal networks and the emerging risks associated with ransomware and third-party vendors.
Minute-by-minute episode breakdown
(2:03) - Overview of Intel471 and their role in tracking cyber threat actors
(6:18) - The concept of the dark web and the cyber underground
(10:20) - Examples of cybercrime activities and their varying levels of sophistication
(15:06) - Collaboration between public and private sectors is crucial for defense of cyber attacks
(18:25) - What does a takedown of a darknet marketplaces consist of?
(22:02) - Threat actors using instant messaging platforms for peer-to-peer trades
(25:43) - Diverse team with technical and linguistic expertise tracks cybercrime
(29:37) - No major decline in cybercriminal activity due to global events
(31:22) - Emerging cyber attack and third-party vendor risks
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Website: Intel471: Fight Cyber Threats. And win.
Research: Cyber Underground Handbook: Intel 471 General Intelligence Requirements (GIR) Framework (Download Now)
Report: The 471 Cyber Threat Report 2023-24
Workshop: A Free Hands-On Workshop with Intel 471: Building an Intelligence Plan
Blog: Insights from CLOP's MOVEit Extortion Attack
Blog: How Gray Market Cryptocurrency Exchanges Fuel Cybercrime
Blog: The U.S. and U.K. Sanction 11 Members of Russia-based Ransomware Group Trickbot
Blog: The 2023 Global Crypto Adoption Index: Central & Southern Asia Are Leading the Way in Grassroots Crypto Adoption (Reserve Your Copy Now)
YouTube: Chainalysis YouTube page
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Speakers on today’s episode
Ian Andrews * Host * (Chief Marketing Officer, Chainalysis)
Michael DeBolt (Chief Intelligence Officer, Intel 471)
This website may contain links to third-party sites that are not under the control of Chainalysis, Inc. or its affiliates (collectively “Chainalysis”). Access to such information does not imply association with, endorsement of, approval of, or recommendation by Chainalysis of the site or its operators, and Chainalysis is not responsible for the products, services, or other content hosted therein.
Our podcasts are for informational purposes only, and are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, or investment advice. Listeners should consult their own advisors before making these types of decisions. Chainalysis has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.
Chainalysis does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material.
Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Chainalysis. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Chainalysis employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company.

Sep 12, 2023 • 40min
Using Web3 to Deconstruct the Complexity of Plastic Pollution
Using Web3 to Deconstruct the Complexity of Plastic Pollution
There are over 7 trillion particles of plastic found in the San Francisco Bay waterway each year and simply recycling and skimming the ocean of this plastic smog is no longer the best solution.
In this episode, Ian Andrews has a deep conversation with Anna Cummins (Co-Founder and Executive Director, 5 Gyres) and Duncan Rogoff (Founder, DOXXED Labs) over the issue of plastic pollution and the work of 5 Gyres, an organization dedicated to researching and addressing this global problem.
The team explains that plastic pollution is not just limited to our oceans and how land pollution is increasingly affecting climate change. They discuss how the collaboration of 5 Gyres and other organizations are using scientific research to drive policy change and reduce the production of plastic.
Duncan explains how web3 and NFTs are a perfect use case for non-profit organizations and how the Gyrenauts NFT collection furthers the team’s plastic pollution reduction while simultaneously supports the United Nations' Sustainable Development Goals.
Minute-by-minute episode breakdown
(2:02) - Anna Cummins explains the mission of 5 Gyres and plastic pollution
(6:18) - Plastic pollution is increasing globally in oceans and on land and is connected to climate change
(9:20) - Duncan discusses the power of web3 in building relationships and fundraising for 5 Gyres
(18:06) - The story, vision, purpose and customization behind the Gyrenauts NFT project
(28:05) - The potential of ongoing revenue streams for nonprofits in the wake of recruitment and retention challenges
(32:02) - Building relationships and cross-pollination with popular web3 brands
(36:43) - The use of data and blockchain technology in solving environmental problems
(39:37) - Collaboration with a global network of organizations to promote sustainability and holding multinational companies accountable for plastic pollution
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Website: 5 Gyres: Empowering action against the global health crisis of plastic pollution through science, education, and advocacy
Website: Gyrenauts NFT Project: Revolutionizing charitable giving in the web3 space
Research Paper: How much plastic is in the ocean?
Article: The true cost of fashion is more than what’s shown on the price tag
Publications: 5 Gyres research is published in over 25 peer-reviewed scientific journals, papers and studies
Website: The Giving Block: Tap into the fastest growing donor demographic and start accepting Bitcoin
Blog: Chainalysis Token Health Report ( Full Report Available Now!)
YouTube: Chainalysis YouTube page
Twitter: Chainalysis Twitter: BuildCareers at Chainalysising trust in blockchain
Tik Tok: Building trust in #blockchains among people, businesses, and governments.
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Speakers on today’s episode
Ian Andrews * Host * (Chief Marketing Officer, Chainalysis)
Anna Cummins (Co-Founder and Executive Director, 5 Gyres)
Duncan Rogoff (Founder, DOXXED Labs)
This website may contain links to third-party sites that are not under the control of Chainalysis, Inc. or its affiliates (collectively “Chainalysis”). Access to such information does not imply association with, endorsement of, approval of, or recommendation by Chainalysis of the site or its operators, and Chainalysis is not responsible for the products, services, or other content hosted therein.
Our podcasts are for informational purposes only, and are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, or investment advice. Listeners should consult their own advisors before making these types of decisions. Chainalysis has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.
Chainalysis does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material.
Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Chainalysis. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Chainalysis employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company.

Sep 5, 2023 • 28min
Investigating the World of Pig Butchering And Crypto Scams
Investigating the World of Pig Butchering And Crypto Scams
Pig Butchering is one of the leading crypto-related scams in the world with scammers monopolizing on the $2 billion scheme.
In this episode, host Ian Andrews (CMO, Chainalysis) speaks to Detective Matthew Hogan (Connecticut State Police) who is on the front lines tracing crypto and combating pig butchering and other crypto crimes. Detective Hogan talks about the evolution of crypto scams, the challenges law enforcement faces in investigating these cases, and the recent Digital Assets legislation in Connecticut regarding crypto kiosks.
He also shares his experiences in conversing with scammers to gather evidence and better protect consumers, while highlighting the importance of collaboration between law enforcement agencies and crypto exchanges.
He even talks about emerging traditional schemes that scammers are going back to in the wake of crypto crime crackdowns.
Minute-by-minute episode breakdown
(2:35) - Detective Matthew Hogan's first law enforcement experience with cryptocurrency
(5:04) - Experience engaging scammers in pig butchering and other investment schemes
(9:35) - Legislation in Connecticut regarding crypto kiosks and its implications
(13:06) -Challenges in getting crypto ATM operators to protect consumers
(16:05) - What got left out of Connecticut's Digital Assets Act
(18:02) - Sourcing, training and recruiting top crypto talent for law enforcement
(21:05) - Uptick in cheque fraud and other postal related scams and robberies
(24:37) - Highlighting Erin West and the REACT Task Force work in national and international investigations
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Website: Connecticut State Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection
Regulation: State of Connecticut: An Act Concerning Digital Assets
LinkedIn Post: Matthew engaging with pig butchering scammers via phone
Website: REACT Task Force
Podcast: Public Key Ep. 45: How Law Enforcement is Combating Pig Butchering Crypto Scams (with Erin West and Alona Katz)
Announcement: Chainalysis partners with Hypernative for real-time security and incident response
YouTube: Chainalysis YouTube page
Twitter: Chainalysis Twitter: BuildCareers at Chainalysising trust in blockchain
Tik Tok: Building trust in #blockchains among people, businesses, and governments.
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Speakers on today’s episode
Ian Andrews * Host * (Chief Marketing Officer, Chainalysis)
Detective Matthew Hogan (Connecticut State Police)
This website may contain links to third-party sites that are not under the control of Chainalysis, Inc. or its affiliates (collectively “Chainalysis”). Access to such information does not imply association with, endorsement of, approval of, or recommendation by Chainalysis of the site or its operators, and Chainalysis is not responsible for the products, services, or other content hosted therein.
Our podcasts are for informational purposes only, and are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, or investment advice. Listeners should consult their own advisors before making these types of decisions. Chainalysis has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.
Chainalysis does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material.
Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Chainalysis. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Chainalysis employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company.

Aug 29, 2023 • 34min
Israel’s Growing Blockchain Industry and Regulatory Challenges
Israel's Growing Blockchain Industry and Regulatory Challenges
Israel is well known to be a leader in crypto projects, cyber security and seizures of illicit proceeds from terrorist financing.
In this episode, host Ian Andrews explores what factors have contributed to Israel’s tech growth with Yosi Biton (Partner, Head of Forensic and Compliance Services, KPMG Israel.)
Yosi explains how cultural influence, government programs, and military units have contributed to strong cyber security and blockchain technology focused startups.
He emphasizes the importance of regulatory clarity and the need for companies to comply with AML and other compliance measures, and explains why he believes that smart contracts, digital currencies and DeFi will be the future.
Minute-by-minute episode breakdown
(2:22) - Introduction and discussion about the state of blockchain and cyber security in Israel
(4:18) - Cultural influence and government / military programs encouraging tech founders in Israel
(8:20) - KPMG's perspective on cryptocurrency and blockchain industry
(12:06) - Regulatory clarity and the need for licenses in the crypto industry and CBDC’s and potential for digital shekel
(18:05) - Discussion on DeFi and the need for compliance in the industry
(22:02) - Tel Aviv Stock Exchange launches framework for crypto brokerage services
(26:21) - Regulatory challenges and opportunities in the Israeli crypto market
(30:37) - Future predictions for the adoption of smart contracts and digital currencies
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Website: KPMG Israel: One-stop-shop for global and local reports, events and careers at KPMG
Press Release: Digital Shekel - Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) Project
Event Recap: Chainalysis Global RKO in Budapest
Chainalysis In Action: Israeli Authorities Disrupt Hezbollah and Iran Quds Force Terrorism Financing Crypto Infrastructure, Seize $1.7 Million in First
Announcement: Launching Our Next Generation Data Platform to Scale Blockchain and Asset Support
Blog: OFAC and Crypto Crime: Every OFAC Specially Designated National with Identified Cryptocurrency Addresses
YouTube: Chainalysis YouTube page
Twitter: Chainalysis Twitter: BuildCareers at Chainalysising trust in blockchain
Tik Tok: Building trust in #blockchains among people, businesses, and governments.
Telegram: Chainalysis on Telegram
Speakers on today’s episode
Ian Andrews * Host * (Chief Marketing Officer, Chainalysis)
Yosi Biton (Partner, Head of Forensic and Compliance Services, KPMG Israel)
This website may contain links to third-party sites that are not under the control of Chainalysis, Inc. or its affiliates (collectively “Chainalysis”). Access to such information does not imply association with, endorsement of, approval of, or recommendation by Chainalysis of the site or its operators, and Chainalysis is not responsible for the products, services, or other content hosted therein.
Our podcasts are for informational purposes only, and are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, or investment advice. Listeners should consult their own advisors before making these types of decisions. Chainalysis has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.
Chainalysis does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material.
Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Chainalysis. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Chainalysis employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company.

Aug 22, 2023 • 36min
Balancing Privacy and Regulatory Concerns in the Crypto Space
Balancing Privacy and Regulatory Concerns in the Crypto Space
Balancing privacy and programmability is notoriously difficult. In this episode of the Public Key Podcast, host Ian Andrews speaks with the creator of a Layer 1 privacy focused blockchain, Elena Nadolinski, Founder and CEO of the Iron Fish foundation.
Elena explains what it means to have programmability in a fully private environment and how the Iron Fish Foundation is balancing privacy and regulatory concerns in the crypto space.
She also demystifies the differences between mixers and privacy coins, while explaining how Iron Fish as a privacy platform has the ability to support multiple assets and their plans to bridge other chains.
Elena clarifies what is zero knowledge proof and how view keys are utilized in a way that is very much analogous to how the non-crypto financial world works today.
Minute-by-minute episode breakdown
(2:15) - Introduction to Iron Fish’s L1 blockchain and its privacy features
(4:04) - Elena's background and journey from AirBNB into crypto
(7:25) - Evolution of zero-knowledge proofs and their importance in privacy
(13:06) -Differences between mixers, ZCash and Iron Fish’s privacy protocol and multi-chain capabilities
(17:05) - Iron Fish’s focus on usability and blockchain interoperability
(21:02) -Balancing privacy and regulatory concerns in the crypto space
(26:05) - Explaining the concept of view keys for privacy and transparency
(31:37) - Future roadmap for Iron Fish including asset support and community growth
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Website: Iron Fish: Seamless, Safe Crypto
Blog: Verified Assets on Iron Fish!
Article: Sequoia Capital - Elena Nadolinski: Privacy for the People
Blog: Web3 = Web2++: The Iron Fish Vision
Announcement: The Privacy Layer for Web3, Iron Fish, Launches Node Application, Enabling Privacy-conscious Users to Run a Full Node in One Clicks
Blog: Understanding View Keys in Iron Fish
Blog: Vulnerability in Curve Finance Vyper Code Leads to Multi-Million Dollar Hack Affecting Several Liquidity Pools [UPDATED 8/8/23]
YouTube: Chainalysis YouTube page
Twitter: Chainalysis Twitter: BuildCareers at Chainalysising trust in blockchain
Tik Tok: Building trust in #blockchains among people, businesses, and governments.
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Speakers on today’s episode
Ian Andrews * Host * (Chief Marketing Officer, Chainalysis)
Elena Nadolinski (Founder and CEO, Iron Fish)
This website may contain links to third-party sites that are not under the control of Chainalysis, Inc. or its affiliates (collectively “Chainalysis”). Access to such information does not imply association with, endorsement of, approval of, or recommendation by Chainalysis of the site or its operators, and Chainalysis is not responsible for the products, services, or other content hosted therein.
Our podcasts are for informational purposes only, and are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, or investment advice. Listeners should consult their own advisors before making these types of decisions. Chainalysis has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.
Chainalysis does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material.
Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Chainalysis. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Chainalysis employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company.

Aug 14, 2023 • 34min
Building Trust and Governance in the Crypto Industry
Building Trust and Governance in the Crypto Industry
Satoshi Nakamoto’s vision laid out in the Bitcoin Whitepaper was for an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust.
In today’s episode, Ian Andrews, CMO at Chainalysis, speaks to Michael Patterson, Chief Compliance Officer of Genesis, to discuss if now is the time to introduce trust back into the crypto industry after a challenging 18 months.
Michael makes the case for trust and strong governance in crypto and emphasizes why crypto businesses should leverage functions that have been successful in traditional finance like KYC, AML, and robust cybersecurity measures.
He also highlights the challenges of balancing innovation with regulatory requirements, and the importance of striking the right balance between privacy and anonymity, while acknowledging the necessary growing pains the DeFi industry will go through in order to achieve greater resiliency and trust.
Minute-by-minute episode breakdown
(2:25) - Introduction of Michael Patterson and the discussion of the role of compliance officers
(8:35) - Reflection on the challenges and opportunities in the crypto industry
(13:45) - The need for trust and good governance in the crypto and blockchain industry
(16:37) - Balancing privacy and KYC requirements in crypto
(19:12) - The implications of securities vs. commodities classification in crypto
(24:02) - Comparing the standards applied to crypto and traditional finance
(27:05) - The potential for DeFi to attract institutional money and improve trust
(29:05) - The future of trust in the crypto ecosystem
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Website: Genesis Trading: Institutional Access. Global Scale.
Reports :Quarterly Reports In-depth insights from Genesis on the state of institutional digital asset markets.
Market Insights: Genesis Market Insights (sign up for crypto market analysis from the Genesis)
Blog: Crypto Crime Mid-year Update: Crime Down 65% Overall, But Ransomware Headed for Huge Year Thanks to Return of Big Game Hunting
Report: The Chainalysis Crypto Myth Busting Report
YouTube: Chainalysis YouTube page
Twitter: Chainalysis Twitter: BuildCareers at Chainalysising trust in blockchain
Tik Tok: Building trust in #blockchains among people, businesses, and governments.
Telegram: Chainalysis on Telegram
Speakers on today’s episode
Ian Andrews * Host * (Chief Marketing Officer, Chainalysis)
Michael Patterson (Chief Compliance Officer, Genesis)
This website may contain links to third-party sites that are not under the control of Chainalysis, Inc. or its affiliates (collectively “Chainalysis”). Access to such information does not imply association with, endorsement of, approval of, or recommendation by Chainalysis of the site or its operators, and Chainalysis is not responsible for the products, services, or other content hosted therein.
Our podcasts are for informational purposes only and are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, or investment advice. Listeners should consult their own advisors before making these types of decisions. Chainalysis has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material.
Chainalysis does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material.
Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Chainalysis. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Chainalysis employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company.

Aug 8, 2023 • 47min
Everything You Need To Know About the SEC vs. Ripple Lawsuit
Everything You Need To Know About the SEC vs. Ripple Lawsuit
The SEC vs Ripple has been a landmark case for the crypto industry and recently the Judge presiding over the case ruled that Ripple did not violate securities law in selling its XRP token via public exchanges.
In this episode, Ian Andrews, brings on securities law and blockchain expert, Lewis Cohen, co-founder of DLX Law, who explains this case is far from over and still has serious implications for the crypto industry.
Lewis provides a background on securities laws and how they may apply to cryptocurrency, ICOs and NFTs and how decentralization is not the sole determining factor in whether a token is a security or not.
He analyzes the judge's ruling in the Ripple case, highlighting the distinction between institutional sales, programmatic sales, and other distributions, while explaining the impact on exchanges and the ongoing litigation of other major crypto trading platforms.
Minute-by-minute episode breakdown
(2:35) - Introduction and background of Lewis Cohen and explanation asset backed securities
(6:04) - The ICO boom and their similarity to traditional securities transactions
(10:25) - Explanation of securities laws and the Howey test
(17:06) - Clarification on the relationship between decentralization and securities laws
(27:12) - Overview of the SEC's complaint against Ripple
(33:02) - Analysis of Judge Torres' ruling on the Ripple case and explanation of institutional sales, programmatic sales and other distributions
(36:05) - Impact of the ruling on exchanges and future lawsuits
(41:37) - Explanation of the ongoing process and potential outcomes of the case
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Website: DLx Law: A new kind of law firm for a new kind of economy
Publication: The Ineluctable Modality of Securities Law: Why Fungible Crypto Assets Are not Securities
Lewis Cohen Twitter: Co-founder @dlxlawllp . Living on reds, vitamin C and blockchain (but not animals 🌱)
Video Series: Ripple Case Win Breakdown - Web3 Wednesdays - Ep. 21
Announcement: Deloitte and Chainalysis Announce Alliance to Provide Digital Asset Data and Analytics Solutions and Services
Blog: How Did Crypto Markets React to Judge’s Ruling that Ripple Exchange Sales Did Not Violate Securities Law?
YouTube: Chainalysis YouTube page
Twitter: Chainalysis Twitter: BuildCareers at Chainalysising trust in blockchain
Tik Tok: Building trust in #blockchains among people, businesses, and governments.
Telegram: Chainalysis on Telegram
Speakers on today’s episode
Ian Andrews * Host * (Chief Marketing Officer, Chainalysis)
Lewis Cohen (Co-Founder, DLx Law)
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Aug 1, 2023 • 33min
The Intersection of Blockchain, NFTs and Intellectual Property Law
The Intersection of Blockchain, NFTs and Intellectual Property Law
“Code is Law” is one of the big myths when it comes to IP Law and blockchain. In this episode, host Ian Andrews talks to Moish Peltz (Partner, Co-Chair of Emerging Technologies & Blockchain Practice Group, FRB Law) to demystify this myth and explain how the courts will apply copyright and IP laws to emerging technology like blockchain, NFTs and AI generated content.
In the episode, Moish explains recent cases between luxury brands and NFT creators, and how those cases will impact the industry as regulatory, legal and tax requirements increasingly cause NFT marketplaces to phase out creator royalties.
Moish also touches on how the music industry still faces challenges that were first presented by file sharing sites like Napster, and highlights current and future legal cases that will shape the blockchain and NFT industry forever.
Minute-by-minute episode breakdown
(2:35) - Moish discusses his early Bored Ape Yacht Club NFT purchase and the IP capabilities the BAYC community
(6:35) - The concept of "code is law" and its limitations
(9:45) - Is serving court documents via airdrop legal and are legislators and the courts adapting to blockchain in the legal system
(11::37) - Overview of the Hermes trademark infringement case and its IP implications for the broader NFT industry
(21:12) - The legal challenges of AI-generated content and copyright ownership for content, music and Hollywood
(31:02) - Challenges and unresolved issues in the NFT and Music industry
(37:05) - Future legal cases to watch in the blockchain and NFT industry
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Website: Falcon, Rappaport & Berkman LLP: Emerging Technologies & Blockchain Practice
Blog: WAGMI! At Last, a Legal Victory for Cryptocurrency | Ripple vs. SEC
Moish Twitter: Digital assets, web3 and IP law at @frblaw.. Collector of BAYC #8611
Bloomberg Article: MetaBirkin NFT Artist Appeals After Hermès Trademark Case Loss
Article: The Bored Ape Yacht Club partners with round21 to launch a digital + physical series
Announcement: FRB Law Digital Asset Recovery And Enforcement Practice
Blog: Bitfinex Hack Money Launderers Plead Guilty
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Tik Tok: Building trust in #blockchains among people, businesses, and governments.
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Speakers on today’s episode
Ian Andrews * Host * (Chief Marketing Officer, Chainalysis)
Moish Peltz (Partner, Co-Chair of Emerging Technologies & Blockchain Practice Group, FRB Law)
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Jul 25, 2023 • 27min
The Future of Investigations and Privacy on the Blockchain
The Future of Investigations and Privacy on the Blockchain
One of the biggest challenges in overseeing the evolving blockchain space is balancing privacy with blockchain investigations.
In this episode, Ian Andrews sits down with blockchain investigations specialist and trainer, Rick Harmsen, Cryptocurrency and Blockchain Specialist & Trainer at DataExpert, to discuss the challenges faced by law enforcement in combating crypto and cybercrime. He details the recent trends that law enforcement have seen recently in investigative activity, including Pig Butchering, Chain-hopping and other obfuscation methods.
Rick touches on the importance of privacy in the crypto space and the development of decentralized finance (DeFi) platforms, decentralized mixers and the emergence of Privacy Pools.
The discussion highlighted the importance of education and training in the crypto and blockchain industry and Rick explains why he doesn’t think the Metaverse is dead and how future generations will prioritize web3 ecosystems.
Minute-by-minute episode breakdown
(2:45) - Rick’s career transition from law enforcement to cryptocurrency and blockchain investigations specialist and trainer at Data Experts
(6:35) - Is Law Enforcement trained to fight sophisticated crypto and cyber attacks and nation state sponsored hackers?
(9:45) - Why are more and more compliance professionals obtaining crypto compliance and blockchain investigations training?
(10::37) - The biggest trends in crypto and DeFi criminal activity from pig butchering to chain-hopping
(16:54) -How do we secure privacy on the blockchain without facilitating criminal activity and complying to regulatory requirements?
(23:02) - Digital Experience Nordic Conference and the growing trends discussed by cyber investigators and counter-fraud organizations
(26:50) - Why Rick thinks the Metaverse isn’t dead and will be at the forefront of web3 technology and gaming in the coming years
Related resources
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Website: DataExpert: Digital Investigation & Cyber Security Solutions
Training:: DataExpert Academy - Analytics | Cryptocurrency | Cybercrime | OSINT | Digital Forensics | Cyber Security | FEC
Event: :Digital Experience Nordic - Stockholm Sweden
Report: The Chainalysis Guide to On-Chain User Segmentation for Crypto Exchanges
Blog: How Did Crypto Markets React to Judge’s Ruling that Ripple Exchange Sales Did Not Violate Securities Law?
Blog: Understanding Tornado Cash, Its Sanctions Implications, and Key Compliance Questions
YouTube: Chainalysis YouTube page
Twitter: Chainalysis Twitter: BuildCareers at Chainalysising trust in blockchain
Tik Tok: Building trust in #blockchains among people, businesses, and governments.
Telegram: Chainalysis on Telegram
Speakers on today’s episode
Ian Andrews * Host * (Chief Marketing Officer, Chainalysis)
Rick Harmsen (Cryptocurrency and Blockchain Specialist & Trainer, DataExpert)
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