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Secrets & Spies
Secrets and Spies sits at the intersection of intelligence, covert action, real-world espionage, and broader geopolitics in a way that is digestible but serious. Hosted by filmmaker Chris Carr and writer Matt Fulton, each episode unpacks global events through the lens of intelligence and geopolitics, featuring expert insights from former spies, authors, and analysts. Tune in for balanced, critical perspectives that will expand your understanding of our uncertain world, deciphering the most enigmatic professions, ideologies, and organizations that shape the global landscape.
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Our Hosts
Host Chris Carr, driven by a teenage encounter with former KGB officer Oleg Gordievsky, brings a unique authenticity to the podcast. His deep-seated fascination with espionage is evident in his highly acclaimed short spy film The Dry Cleaner, available on Apple TV and Amazon Prime. Currently developing feature film and television scripts inspired by the podcast's themes, Chris aims to create realistic and compelling spy dramas.
Joining him is Matt Fulton, a novelist and screenwriter who draws inspiration from masters of the spy genre like John Le Carré, Tom Clancy, and Graham Greene. Author of the Active Measures series of globe-trotting geopolitical thrillers, Matt brings his decades of extensive research and narrative prowess to the podcast, offering listeners a front-row seat to the thrilling world of covert operations.
Subscribe to Secrets and Spies today on all major podcast streaming platforms.
Our Hosts
Host Chris Carr, driven by a teenage encounter with former KGB officer Oleg Gordievsky, brings a unique authenticity to the podcast. His deep-seated fascination with espionage is evident in his highly acclaimed short spy film The Dry Cleaner, available on Apple TV and Amazon Prime. Currently developing feature film and television scripts inspired by the podcast's themes, Chris aims to create realistic and compelling spy dramas.
Joining him is Matt Fulton, a novelist and screenwriter who draws inspiration from masters of the spy genre like John Le Carré, Tom Clancy, and Graham Greene. Author of the Active Measures series of globe-trotting geopolitical thrillers, Matt brings his decades of extensive research and narrative prowess to the podcast, offering listeners a front-row seat to the thrilling world of covert operations.
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Jun 15, 2024 • 1h 15min
S8 Ep48: Espresso Martini: Hamas leaders messages, Europe & China, Chinese spies and potential ISIS-K plot foiled in USA
On today’s show, we are going to look at reports about private messages from the leader of Hamas, criticisms of Europe’s outdated approach to China, a former CIA officer and FBI linguist pleading guilty to spying for China, and a potential plot from ISIS-K foiled in the US.
Then we will move to our Patreon only show “Extra Shot” we will look at Europe on high alert to Russian sabotage, Russian backed online efforts to disrupt the Olympics, a Fugitive sheriff from Florida who has a new career as an online propagandist in Russia and we will wrap up looking at a piece about Chinese espionage efforts in the west.
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Articles discussed
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israel-ceasefire-hostage-talks-intl/index.html
https://thediplomat.com/2024/06/in-the-new-cold-war-europes-approach-to-china-is-already-outdated/
https://apnews.com/article/cia-fbi-officer-spying-china-56865d1f194b94c014afcef9c53b0b30
https://apnews.com/article/islamic-state-border-fbi-homeland-security-7088e6f665f095ad38186cafe69bbddd
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/tajikistan/new-recruiting-ground-isis
On Extra Shot we look at
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/30/europe-on-high-alert-after-suspected-moscow-linked-arson-and-sabotage
https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2024/06/02/russia-cyber-bots-disinformation-2024-paris-olympics/
https://www.newsguardtech.com/special-reports/john-mark-dougan-russian-disinformation-network/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmm33rm32veo
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Jun 8, 2024 • 25sec
No show this weekend, we will return next weekend.
Hi all, we hope you are well. Sadly, due to work commitments on Chris's side, there will be no show this weekend. We will return next weekend.
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Jun 1, 2024 • 58min
S8 Ep47: London Met Murder Investigation Team with Steven Keogh
On todays podcast I am joined be retired detective and author Steven Keogh. Steven investigated murders at Scotland Yard for 12 years, and he joins us to discuss his excellent book “Murder Investigation Team” which gives readers an insight into how British murder investigations are run and what it is like to be a part of a murder investigation.
Check out Steven’s website to find out more about Steven, his book and his online course for crime writers: https://stevekeogh.com/
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May 25, 2024 • 58min
S8 Ep46: Espresso Martini: Iran’s President is killed, Israel & Iranian espionage comparisons and secret Hamas surveillance files.
On today’s show, we are going to look at the death of the Iranian President, Israel &
Iran espionage comparisons, and we finish by looking at secret Hamas files that expose a mass surveillance campaign in Gaza.
Then we will move to our Patreon only show “Extra Shot” we will look at reports of
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau not taking the work of its intelligence agency
CSIS seriously. We also look at Chinese research advances in brain-computer interfaces, then we look at the FBI cutting ties with Russian informants and we wrap up with a new look at CIA funding of art works during the Cold War.
You will need to be a Patreon subscriber to get access to Extra Shot.
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Articles discussed in the show:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/20/iran-president-raisi-deathspeculation/
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/05/israel-iran-espionage-comparison/678389/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/13/world/europe/secret-hamas-files-palestinians.html
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May 23, 2024 • 1h 18min
S8 Ep45: What President Raisi’s death means for Iran
Phillip Smyth, a leading researcher of Iranian-backed militia groups, discusses the implications of President Raisi's death in a helicopter crash. Topics include succession planning in Iranian politics, ideological dynamics of the regime, and complexities of loyalty within Iraqi Shia militias.

May 17, 2024 • 1h 5min
S8 Ep44: Havana Syndrome from a technological and medical perspective.
On today’s podcast, I am joined by two guests, Dr. Chris Gilbert and Dr. Eric Haseltine, and we discuss Havana Syndrome from a technological and medical perspective.
Dr Chris Gilbert is an Integrative and Holistic Medicine physician who has interviewed victims of these so-called Anomalous Health incidents, otherwise known as Havana Syndrome.
Dr Haseltine is a neuroscientist and author who worked as the NSA's research director before becoming the director of science and technology for the US intelligence community. He wrote an excellent book called “The Spy In Moscow Station”, which may well hold the key to what is behind Havana Syndrome.
Dr Chris Gilbert Website
https://drchrisgilbert.com/about/
Dr Chris Gilbert Blog
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/heal-the-mind-heal-the-body
Dr Haseltine Website
https://www.drhaseltine.com/
Dr Haseltine Blog
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/long-fuse-big-bang?page=3
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May 10, 2024 • 59min
S8 Ep43: Espresso Martini: Plot to kill Zelensky, Russian sabotage plots, and Chinese hacking.
On today's show, we are going to look at a failed plot to kill President Zelensky, fears of Russian sabotage in Europe, spy plots being foiled in Germany, and awkward talks between the US and China about Volt Typhoon, one of China’s hacking operations against the west.
Then we will move to our Patreon only show “Extra Shot” and we will look at privacy concerns in the age of AI, then we will turn our attention to the plot to discredit democracy, Putin propagandists in Russia left dismayed as the US finally passes its aid to Ukraine bill and we will finish up looking at the sad state of the Royal Navy which has become a show of its former self after decades of successive cuts.
To listen to Extra Shot you will need to become a Patreon subscriber. Just go to the link in the show notes and pick the subscription level that works for you, or go to Patreon.co/secretsandspies
You will need to be a Patreon subscriber to get access to Extra Shot. Click here to subscribe and listen to Extra Shot: https://www.patreon.com/posts/extra-shot-11th-104022410?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Articles discussed on the show:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/07/world/europe/ukraine-russia-zelensky-plot.html
https://www.ft.com/content/c88509f9-c9bd-46f4-8a5c-9b2bdd3c3dd3
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/04/german-spy-plots-alternative-for-germany-far-right-authorit/
https://therecord.media/china-volt-typhoon-direct-talks-us-china
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May 6, 2024 • 47min
S8 Ep42: Agent Of The Iron Cross With Bill Mills
Chris is joined by historian and author Bill Mills on today's podcast. They discuss Bill’s research into German sabotage and espionage operations in the United States during World War One and how that led to Bill’s new book “Agent of the Iron Cross.”
To find out more about “Agent of the Iron Cross” and to get a copy, visit the publisher's website here:
https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781538182079/Agent-of-the-Iron-Cross-The-Race-to-Capture-German-Saboteur-Assassin-Lothar-Witzke-during-World-War-I
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May 4, 2024 • 1h 16min
S8 Ep41: The reality behind “A Spy Alone” with Charles Beaumont
On today’s podcast, Chris is joined by former MI6 Officer turned best-selling author Charles Beaumont. They discuss the real-life inspiration behind Charle’s debut spy novel, “A Spy Alone”, and a little bit about his career in MI6. Charles also shares his literary influences, his approach to writing fiction and some tips if you are thinking of a career in intelligence.
Please note that in this episode we have disguised Charles’s voice.
To find out more about “A Spy Alone” and to get a copy visit the publisher's website here: https://www.canelo.co/books/a-spy-alone-charles-beaumont/
To connect with Charles you can follow him on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Cb20226
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May 1, 2024 • 1h 31min
S8 Ep40: Israel and Iran climb (and descend?) the escalation ladder with Phillip Smyth
On today’s episode, Matt welcomes back Phillip Smyth, one of the leading researchers of Iranian-backed militia groups in the Middle East. This time, they discuss last month’s exchange of missiles, drones, and airstrikes between Israel and Iran. Phillip helps unpack what triggered this latest cycle of violence, gauge Iran’s intent behind an unprecedented attack against Israel itself, and look ahead at how it may impact the war in Gaza and the wider conflict throughout the region.
Phillip’s work for The Washington Institute for Near East Policy: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/phillip-smyth
Phillip’s work for West Point’s Combatting Terrorism Center: https://ctc.westpoint.edu/authors/phillip-smyth/
Follow Phillip on Twitter: https://twitter.com/PhillipSmyth
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