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Secrets & Spies
Secrets and Spies sits at the intersection of intelligence, covert action, real-world espionage, and broader geopolitics in a way that is digestible but serious. Hosted by filmmaker Chris Carr and writer Matt Fulton, each episode unpacks global events through the lens of intelligence and geopolitics, featuring expert insights from former spies, authors, and analysts. Tune in for balanced, critical perspectives that will expand your understanding of our uncertain world, deciphering the most enigmatic professions, ideologies, and organizations that shape the global landscape.
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Our Hosts
Host Chris Carr, driven by a teenage encounter with former KGB officer Oleg Gordievsky, brings a unique authenticity to the podcast. His deep-seated fascination with espionage is evident in his highly acclaimed short spy film The Dry Cleaner, available on Apple TV and Amazon Prime. Currently developing feature film and television scripts inspired by the podcast's themes, Chris aims to create realistic and compelling spy dramas.
Joining him is Matt Fulton, a novelist and screenwriter who draws inspiration from masters of the spy genre like John Le Carré, Tom Clancy, and Graham Greene. Author of the Active Measures series of globe-trotting geopolitical thrillers, Matt brings his decades of extensive research and narrative prowess to the podcast, offering listeners a front-row seat to the thrilling world of covert operations.
Subscribe to Secrets and Spies today on all major podcast streaming platforms.
Our Hosts
Host Chris Carr, driven by a teenage encounter with former KGB officer Oleg Gordievsky, brings a unique authenticity to the podcast. His deep-seated fascination with espionage is evident in his highly acclaimed short spy film The Dry Cleaner, available on Apple TV and Amazon Prime. Currently developing feature film and television scripts inspired by the podcast's themes, Chris aims to create realistic and compelling spy dramas.
Joining him is Matt Fulton, a novelist and screenwriter who draws inspiration from masters of the spy genre like John Le Carré, Tom Clancy, and Graham Greene. Author of the Active Measures series of globe-trotting geopolitical thrillers, Matt brings his decades of extensive research and narrative prowess to the podcast, offering listeners a front-row seat to the thrilling world of covert operations.
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Apr 25, 2024 • 31sec
No Espresso Martini or Extra Shot this weekend
Hi all, due to essential maintenance works at London HQ, there won't be an Espresso Martini or Extra Shot this weekend. We are very sorry about this. We will have a new podcast out next weekend, so please stay tuned.
We hope you all have an excellent weekend and we will catch you on the next episode.
All the best
Chris & Matt

Apr 22, 2024 • 55min
S8 Ep39: The legal case for the victims of Havana Syndrome with Mark S. Zaid
On today’s podcast, Chris is joined by national security Lawyer Mark S. Zaid. They discuss the legal case for the victims of the Anomalous Health Incidents, more popularly known as Havana Syndrome. Mark discusses the US government's denial and how that affects his clients, who have had their lives disrupted by these alleged attacks.
You can find out more about Mark and his work here: https://markzaid.com/
You can follow Mark on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/MarkSZaidEsq
If you feel politicians and decision-makers should be doing more to help the victims of these attacks, you can contact Politicians via the links below:
Contact your Senator: https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm
Contact your MP: https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/contact-an-mp-or-lord/contact-your-mp/
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Apr 20, 2024 • 58min
S8 Ep38: Directed energy and Havana Syndrome with Dr. James Giordano
On today’s podcast Chris is joined by Dr James Giordano. Dr Giordano served as the consulting neuroscientist on research into the original cases of Havana Syndrome.
Dr. James Giordano is a neuroscientist and neuroethicist, whose work focuses upon mechanisms and treatment of neuropsychiatric disorders, and neuroethical issues arising from the use and misuse of neuroscientific techniques and technologies.
Dr Giordano wrote a fantastic article titled “Directed Energy Remains Key Suspect Behind Havana Syndrome” which looks at Dr Giordano’s research on directed energy devices and their potential weaponisation.
You can read that article here: https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2024/4/4/directed-energy-remains-key-suspect-behind-havana-syndrome
You can find out more about Dr. Giordano’s work at the links below:
Georgetown University
https://gufaculty360.georgetown.edu/s/contact/00336000014Tm4oAAC/james-giordano
Bio Defense Research
https://biodefenseresearch.org/the-institute-for-biodefense-research-announces-dr-james-giordano-as-new-executive-director/
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Apr 15, 2024 • 55min
S8 Ep37: Former US Navy Captain Gene Moran on the Houthi threat in the Red Sea
On today’s podcast, Chris is joined by Former US Navy Destroyer Captain Gene Moran to discuss the Houthi Threat in the Red Sea. In this episode, they look at the background of the Houthis, the threat that they pose, and how the US Navy and its allies are dealing with that threat. They then discuss life on a ship during a time of conflict and finish up with Gene explaining what more he thinks could be done to counter this threat.
You can find out more about Gene and his work here:
https://www.genemoran.com/
You can connect with Gene on LinkedIn here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/genemoran
Check out Gene’s books on his Amazon page:
https://www.amazon.com/stores/Gene-Moran/author/B07YW9RLMD?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
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Apr 13, 2024 • 1h 7min
S8 Ep36: Espresso Martini: Putin exploits ISIS-K attack, House Republicans hold up US aid to Ukraine, and new Havana Syndrome information.
On today’s episode, we are going to look at Putin exploiting the ISIS-K attack for his war on Ukraine, House Republicans holding up US aid to Ukraine, and we will wrap up looking at new revelations on Havana Syndrome.
Then we will move to our Patreon only show “Extra Shot”. On that we will look at Chinese Disinformation efforts targeting the US elections, a Chinese Drone flying over the Sea of Japan, the results of a recent survey that suggests some US gun owners would engage in political violence, and we wrap up looking at Hollywood’s depiction of espionage in Film & TV.
You will need to be a Patreon subscriber to get access to Extra Shot. Click here to subscribe and listen to Extra Shot: https://www.patreon.com/posts/extra-shot-13-04-102258042?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Articles discussed:
https://cepa.org/article/moscow-terror-attack-a-lie-too-good-to-waste/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/mike-johnson-ukraine-aid.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/08/mike-johnson-ukraine-aid-congress-republicans
https://theins.ru/en/politics/270425
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Apr 9, 2024 • 1h 14min
S8 Ep35: Dr Gubad Ibadoghlu imprisoned in Azerbaijan
On today’s podcast, we are joined by Ibad Bayramov, and we discuss the imprisonment of his father, Dr Gubad Ibadoghlu, in Azerbaijan.
Dr Ibadoghlu is an economics professor who was a visiting professor at the London School of Economics and a leading figure in the opposition in Azerbaijan. In July 2023, he was arrested and held by Azerbaijan authorities while visiting family. He is facing up to 12 years in prison for the production, acquisition, or sale of counterfeit money by an organised group and allegedly possessing extremist material—charges he denies.
Find out more about Dr Ibadoghlu at the Gubad Files Website: https://thegubadfiles.com/
You can connect with and follow Ibad here: https://twitter.com/BayramovIbad
Ibad’s sister Zhala is also on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BayramovaZhala
You can contact Politicians via the links below:
Contact your Senator: https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm
Contact your MP: https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/contact-an-mp-or-lord/contact-your-mp/
You can read more on some of the topics Ibad mentions about the political situation in Azerbaijan
Detention of Dr Gubad Ibadoghlu
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/61412/detention-of-dr-gubad-ibadoghlu-in-azerbaijan
https://www.bushcenter.org/publications/the-struggle-for-freedom-an-azerbaijani-economist-who-stands-up-to-aliyevs-kleptocracy
Concerns about Dr Ibadoghlu’s health
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/14/health-of-lse-academic-detained-in-azerbaijan-at-risk-say-family
US could do more to help Dr Ibadoghlu
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/11/united-states-must-do-more-help-gubad-ibadoghlu/
Doubt about the validity of Azerbaijan’s elections
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68237326
Caviar diplomacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caviar_diplomacy
Pandora Papers
https://www.rferl.org/a/pandora-papers-tax-havens/31490744.html
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/queen-crown-estate-bought-property-family-azerbaijan-ruler
Azerbaijani Laundromat
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/04/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-azerbaijani-laundromat
Azerbaijan adopt harsh tactics against the opposition
https://eurasianet.org/azerbaijani-government-adopts-still-harsher-tactics-against-opposition
Human Rights report on Azerbaijan - Torture and Ill-Treatment in Detention
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/azerbaijan
BP and Azerbijan
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/08/bp-projects-have-helped-fund-azerbaijan-military-aggession-say-campaigners
UK Gov Risk Guidance on doing business in Azerbaijan
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/overseas-business-risk-azerbaijan/overseas-business-risk-azerbaijan
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Apr 5, 2024 • 2h 11min
S8 Ep34: Moscow ISIS-K attack, Ukriane update and Ukraine Intelligence
In today’s episode, we welcome Dr Taras Kuzio, who has just returned from a trip to Ukraine.
Dr. Taras Kuzio is a Professor in the Department of Political Science at the National University of Kyiv Mohyla Academy and an Associate Research Fellow at the Henry Jackson Society. Winner of the 2022 Peterson Literary Prize for Russian Nationalism and the Russian-Ukrainian War: Autocracy-Orthodoxy-Nationality (Routledge, 2022).
In the first section, we discuss the recent ISIS-K terrorist attack in Moscow and how President Putin is capitalising on that atrocity and attempting to blame Ukraine. We look at new Ukrainian tactics against Russia and an increasingly risk-averse US government to give Ukraine what it needs to defeat Russia.
We then shift focus to Dr Kuzio’s trip to Ukraine, in which he shares his observations, and then we look at how President Zelensky is holding up after recent reports that he has been at loggerheads with senior members of the Ukraine military. We also discuss some of the talking points about Ukraine on both sides of the political spectrum in the British and American press.
After the break, we’ll shift our focus to the lesser-known realm of the Ukrainian intelligence services and special forces, shedding light on their roles and actions.
So, it’s a pretty jam-packed episode, and we end with a few bonus questions about the Nord Stream pipeline attack, a strange conversation I had with a taxi driver in London about Ukraine that left me scratching my head, and a brief chat about Alexi Navalny’s links to the Russian far-right.
So pour yourself your favourite drink, make yourself comfortable and immerse yourself in an episode packed with revelations, analysis, and unexpected stories.
Lawrence Freedman Substack mentioned:
https://substack.com/profile/69709932-lawrence-freedman
New York Times Article mentioned:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
Connect with Dr Kuzio: https://twitter.com/TarasKuzio
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Mar 30, 2024 • 55min
S8: Easter sample of Extra Shot our Patreon only show
As it's the Easter weekend, Chris and Matt are away. So today, we are going to share a sample episode of "Extra Shot," our Patreon-only show that immediately follows each episode of "Espresso Martini."
To get access to future and past episodes of "Extra Shot" please subscribe here:
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In this edition of Extra Shot, we will look at recommendations for a shake-up of British intelligence, the arrest of an alleged member of the Red Army Faction in Germany, we also look at the conviction of a left-wing terrorist in the UK and a cyber-attack against an Iranian spy ship.
Links to articles discussed:
https://therecord.media/british-former-spy-chiefs-shakeup
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68415892
https://news.sky.com/story/left-wing-anarchist-guilty-of-terror-offences-after-declaring-he-wanted-to-kill-mps-13072775
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/us-conducted-cyberattack-suspected-iranian-spy-ship-rcna138638
NSPCC: “Spotting the signs of radicalisation”
https://www.nspcc.org.uk/keeping-children-safe/reporting-abuse/dedicated-helplines/protecting-children-from-radicalisation/
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Mar 23, 2024 • 1h 18min
S8 Ep33: Espresso Martini: Tactical nukes, Spies in Brussels, Turkish spies in the West and more
On today’s episode, we are going to look at how close we got to Russia using nukes in Ukraine, spies wining and dining in Brussels, Russia setting up fake news sites and more.
Then we will move to our Patreon-only show, “Extra Shot”. On that, we will look at how to run a CIA station abroad, SAS soldiers accused of murder, reports that the King has died and more.
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Articles
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/09/politics/us-prepared-rigorously-potential-russian-nuclear-strike-ukraine?cid=ios_app
https://www.politico.eu/article/belgian-justice-minister-only-tip-iceberg-brussels-spy-problem-known/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/business/media/russia-us-news-sites.html
https://www.axios.com/2024/03/10/antarctica-china-science-geopolitics
https://nordicmonitor.com/2024/03/turkey-escalates-covert-intelligence-activities-in-europe-and-north-america/
Our restaurant recommendation in Brussels: Meet Meat Steak & Wine House
https://meetmeat.be/
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Mar 15, 2024 • 51min
S8 Ep32: The US government’s search for alien life with Garrett Graff
On today’s episode, Matt is joined by investigative journalist, bestselling author, and Pulitzer Prize finalist Garrett Graff. His latest book, “UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government's Search for Alien Life Here—and Out There,” draws from original archival research, declassified documents, and interviews with senior intelligence and military officials to explore America’s obsession with UFOs and the government’s decades-long pursuit of answers to the age-old question: Are we alone in the universe?
Purchase UFO on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/UFO-Inside-Governments-Search-Here_and/dp/1982196777/
Garrett’s website: https://www.garrettgraff.com/
Follow Garrett on Twitter: https://twitter.com/vermontgmg
Follow Garrett on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@vermontgmg
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