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Dec 22, 2021 • 29min
#0019 - agile ux design with Jared Spool
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jared Spool about user experience design. We discuss the importance of research in understanding users' problems so that you can develop solutions that provide a great user experience. We talk about the need to do some lightweight research and planning upfront to build a shared vision and the value of doing most of your research and design continuously with the whole team so that you can learn what users really need. This conversation highlights the importance of building your team's UX capabilities and blending UX into everything you do.
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Connect with Jared via Linkedin , or over at https://leaders.centercentre.com/
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The No Nonsense Agile podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

Dec 8, 2021 • 25min
#0018 - The joy of agility with Joshua Kerievsky
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Joshua Kerievsky about his new book “Joy of Agility”. In this podcast we talk about the poor state of agile today. Commodification, fake agile, dark scrum and water-scrum-fall. Real agility should be a joy to work in. Agility doesn't mean process frameworks, it means moving with quick, easy grace and being quick, resourceful, and adaptable. Use mantras and stories to get the message across. Be quick but don't hurry. Be poised to adapt. Be balanced and graceful.
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Connect with Joshua via Linkedin , or over at https://www.industriallogic.com/
Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/the-joy-of-agility-with-joshua-kerievsky/#read
The No Nonsense Agile podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

Dec 3, 2021 • 31min
#0017 - DevOps with Mirco Hering
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Mirco Hering where we dive into the world of DevOps.
Join us as Mirco shares his insights on the essence of DevOps and its implementation challenges, from redefining DevOps beyond tools to the importance of feedback loops. Mirko sheds light on the goals and misconceptions surrounding DevOps. Discover how DevOps aligns with agile principles and explore the role of professional services firms in driving agile and DevOps transformations. Join us as we share practical advice for adopting DevOps practices effectively.
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Connect with Mirco via LinkedIn or over at https://notafactoryanymore.com/
Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/devops-with-mirco-hering/#read
The No Nonsense Agile podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

Nov 23, 2021 • 35min
#016 - Sam McAfee - digital product development
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Sam McAfee about leading digital product development. Building a great product team. Working remotely. Real agile vs fake agile. Factory model vs product model. Empowering teams. Building influence and trust. Bringing marketing, design and engineering into one cross functional product team. From functional silos to capability building. Product managers vs Product owners. What a great product manager does. Holistic product leaders. Lean startup and fast feedback. Long term vs short term thinking. The Product canvas and hypothesis testing. Scaling product teams. Change requires leadership.
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Connect with Sam via Linkedin , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
The No Nonsense Agile podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

Nov 16, 2021 • 37min
#0015 - Agile Military ideas with Ben Ford
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with former Royal Marine Commando Ben Ford about how agile practices mirror modern military practices in the field. We discuss John Boyd's OODA loop and the value of an accurate model of one's environment for good decision making. And we discuss mission command and the value of leadership training to develop an effective approach for orders, planning, delegation, and review. We hope this episode provides food for thought on how you can utilise some of these military leadership principles to enhance your agile practices in the software product development world.
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Connect with Ben on LinkedIn or over at https://commando.dev
Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/agile-military-ideas-with-ben-ford/#read
The No Nonsense Agile podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

Nov 11, 2021 • 36min
#0014 - Agile Product Development
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about Agile product development. discuss what a product is and what a product manager does. We talk about the value of customer feedback and the need to test your hypotheses. We define minimum viable products and discuss technical debt, scaling and co-designing products with customers. And we talk about how you can move from a project to a product mentality and the value of applying an iterative approach to your marketing and sales. All this and more, stay tuned.
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Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/agile-product-development/#read
The No Nonsense Agile podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

Nov 2, 2021 • 25min
#0013 - Visualizing your workflow with Mark Jørgensen Chaudhry
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Mark Jørgensen Chaudhry about visualising your work so you can identify bottlenecks and remove them. We emphasize the need to work together to map out your process and identify delays and waste. We discuss work in progress, touch time, wait time and process efficiency. And we identify the root cause of waste and inefficiency in large organisations. Join us for lots of examples, challenges and recommended resources for improving your workflow.
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Connect with Mark via LinkedIn
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You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/visualizing-your-workflow-with-mark-jorgensen-chaudhry/#read
The No Nonsense Agile podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

Oct 26, 2021 • 23min
#0012 - Matrix team models aka the "spotify model"
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation on the "Spotify Model" for scaling agile teams. We cover the role of leadership team structures. Tribe dynamics and the importance of coaching and support during organisational change. We share our experience with implementing this model in organisations and some of the anti-patterns. Join us to learn how to use the Spotify model to scale your agile organisation successfully.
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Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/matrix-team-models-aka-the-spotify-model/#read
The No Nonsense Agile podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

Oct 19, 2021 • 27min
#0011 - Lean agile transformations with Matt Turner
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about the psychology of change in lean agile transformation with Matt Turner. We discuss how to implement agile and Kanban practices in IT operations, the challenges faced by managers, and the importance of visualising work and understanding flow. We also touch upon the misconceptions and misapplications of agile in the industry. Join us to learn how to be a much more effective change agent.
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Connect with Matt via LinkedIn or his website https://www.hapus.net/ or https://www.soonersaferhappier.com/
Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/lean-agile-transformations-with-matt-turner/#read
The No Nonsense Agile podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

Oct 12, 2021 • 37min
#0010 - Quality skills vs roles
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss why quality as a whole team's responsibility. We discuss why it's critical to integrate QA processes from the beginning, the importance of clear acceptance criteria, how to handle technical debt and the continuous improvement process. Tune in for an engaging and informative discussion on quality in your agile projects.
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Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/quality-skills-vs-roles/#read
The No Nonsense Agile podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data
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