
The AI Policy Podcast
CSIS’ Gregory C. Allen, Director of the Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies, is joined by cohost H. Andrew Schwartz on a deep dive into the world of AI policy. Every two weeks, tune in for insightful discussions regarding AI policy regulation, innovation, national security, and geopolitics. The AI Policy Podcast is by the Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies at CSIS, a bipartisan think-tank in Washington, D.C.
Latest episodes

Apr 10, 2025 • 20min
Tariffs, Nvidia’s H20 Export Control Exemption, and OMB’s New AI Guidance
Dive into the world of AI and trade as the podcast dissects the implications of Trump-era tariffs on the U.S. AI landscape. Discover Nvidia's exciting exemption from export controls for H20s and how this can reshape the market. The conversation also covers the White House's latest AI guidance aimed at overcoming policy hurdles for government adoption. Additionally, the panel critiques the EU's ambitious AI Continent Action Plan, highlighting the gap between aspirations and reality amidst rising tensions over technology dependence.

Apr 2, 2025 • 1h 9min
Mapping Chinese AI Regulation with Matt Sheehan
Matt Sheehan, a Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, dives into China's AI policymaking evolution over the past decade. He discusses how professionals transitioned from cybersecurity to AI policy, driven by public concerns over deepfakes. Sheehan highlights the pivotal 2017 national AI plan and the tension between privacy and surveillance. He also examines the current state of Chinese AI amidst global challenges, including U.S. export controls, illustrating how companies navigate a complex regulatory landscape.

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Mar 26, 2025 • 48min
AI Action Plan RFI, California's AI Policy Working Group Report, and Why Programming Jobs Are Disappearing
The podcast dives into the responses from AI companies to the White House's AI Action Plan Request for Information, highlighting diverse stakeholder perspectives on governance and policy. It breaks down the California Policy Working Group's draft report and its implications for future legislation. A significant discussion centers on the alarming drop in computer programming jobs, revealing how AI advancements are reshaping job security in the tech industry. Tune in for insights on AI safety and accountability!

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Mar 19, 2025 • 53min
The State and Local AI Regulation Landscape with Dean Ball
Dean Ball, a Research Fellow at George Mason University’s Mercatus Center and author of Hyperdimensional, dives into the complexities of AI regulation at state and local levels. He discusses the surge in legislation following lessons learned from social media, including over 800 proposed bills. The conversation covers the challenges of regulating malicious deepfakes, algorithmic discrimination, and the bipartisan effort in shaping laws. Ball also highlights California's SB 1047 and the necessity for clear standards to protect innovation while addressing safety concerns.

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Mar 12, 2025 • 25min
Deepseek Report, Manus AI, and the DOD’s New Acquisition Approach
Delve into the future of export controls influenced by the DeepSeek Report and Huawei's role in the U.S.-China AI race. Discover Manus AI, a Chinese startup that claims to have a general AI agent, and the skepticism it faces. Learn about the DOD's shift towards a modern software acquisition strategy that integrates commercial AI into defense. Explore the Thunderforge Initiative, which integrates AI into military operations. Finally, witness Musk's ambitious XAI expansion with a massive data center in Memphis, showcasing the intersection of AI and military power.

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Mar 4, 2025 • 53min
The UAE's AI Ambitions
Georgia Adamson, a Research Associate at the CSIS Wadhwani AI Center, and Lennart Heim, an Associate Information Scientist at RAND, delve into the UAE's ambitious AI initiatives. They discuss the UAE's role as a burgeoning tech investment hub, spotlighting a $100 billion investment vehicle and its partnership with Microsoft and G42. The duo also examines U.S. chip export controls and the implications of AI collaboration with countries like China. They highlight the strategic diplomatic balancing act at play in this fast-evolving landscape.

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Feb 25, 2025 • 35min
Grok 3, DOGE, and Xi Jinping's Meeting with DeepSeek
This intriguing discussion unveils xAI's new Grok 3 models and their implications for AI performance. It delves into the effects of DOGE on the federal AI workforce and highlights the competitive landscape against established giants. Additionally, the episode covers Xi Jinping's meeting with Chinese AI executives, pointing to significant geopolitical dynamics. Lastly, it introduces the groundbreaking Evo-2 model that revolutionizes genetic prediction, raising critical discussions about the regulation of genetic technologies.

Feb 14, 2025 • 33min
Unpacking the AI Action Summit
Greg shares insights from the recent AI Action Summit in Paris, highlighting France's ambitious goals and contrasting diplomatic strategies of the US and EU. He discusses the significant hesitations of the US and UK in signing the summit declaration, revealing shifts in national discussions on AI safety. The podcast delves into Europe's strengths in AI research versus its commercialization challenges. Additionally, it examines the rebranding of the UK AI Security Institute and stresses the necessity for investing in AI safety to protect future developments.

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Jan 29, 2025 • 29min
DeepSeek Deep Dive
The conversation dives into the origins of the intriguing Chinese AI company DeepSeek and its groundbreaking DeepSeek R1 model. The hosts analyze the intense U.S.-China competition ignited by this release and its significant impact on the U.S. stock market. They discuss allegations of intellectual property theft and its implications for the AI sector. The episode also covers how U.S. firms are strategizing in response to DeepSeek's innovations, emphasizing the evolving dynamics of the global AI landscape.

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Jan 27, 2025 • 1h 22min
Week 1 of the Trump administration, AGI timelines, and DeepSeek
Lennart Heim, Senior Information Scientist at the RAND Corporation, dives into the political landscape surrounding AI during the Trump administration. They discuss the implications of repealing key executive orders, and the ambitious $500 billion Stargate initiative aimed at bolstering U.S. AI infrastructure. The conversation shifts to the evolving timelines for achieving AGI, with a focus on advancements in model training from companies like DeepSeek, and the innovative approach of model distillation enhancing cost-efficiency in AI development.
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