The AI Policy Podcast

In this episode, we are joined by Kyle Chan, postdoctoral researcher at Princeton’s Sociology Department and adjunct researcher at the RAND Corporation, to explore China's approach to AI industrial policy. We discuss the fundamentals of industrial policy and how it operates in China's digital technology sector (4:15), the evolution of China's AI industrial policy toolkit and its impact on companies (19:29), China's current AI priorities, protectionism strategies, and adoption patterns (47:05), and the future trajectory of China's AI industrial policy amid US-China competition (1:12:22). Kyle co-authored RAND's June 26 report "Full Stack: China’s Evolving Industrial Policy for AI," which is available here.

A pivotal Senate vote has lifted the moratorium on state AI laws, sparking debates on regulation's future. The discussion highlights recent court rulings on copyright issues affecting AI training for major tech firms like Meta and Anthropic. Congressional hearings reveal AI's vital role in U.S.-China competition, stressing the importance of ensuring compliance with human values. Plus, concerns rise over DeepSeek's ties to the military and export control challenges, raising significant cybersecurity and privacy issues.

Miles Brundage, an AI policy researcher and former OpenAI head, joins Chris Rohlf, a cybersecurity expert at Meta with over two decades of experience. They dive into the evolving landscape of cybersecurity, exploring how AI reshapes offense and defense dynamics. The discussion highlights the risks of securing AI model weights, critiques 'AI security doomerism,' and underscores the need for policymakers to incentivize better security measures. Their insights illuminate the crucial intersection of technology, policy, and national security.

The U.S. AI Safety Institute has transformed into the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, pivoting from safety to robust AI development standards. A congressional hearing highlighted the critical role of export controls on AI chips, particularly amid U.S.-China tensions. Meanwhile, Meta announced a new AI superintelligence lab with a whopping $15 billion investment, sparking fierce competition in the tech landscape. The discussion dives into talent strategies and differentiates between superintelligence and artificial general intelligence, shedding light on future AI directions.

On June 9, 2025,  the CSIS Wadhwani AI Center hosted Ryan Tseng, Co-Founder and President of Shield AI, a company building AI-powered software to enable autonomous capabilities for defense and national security.    Mr. Tseng leads strategic partnerships with defense and policy leaders across the United States and internationally. Under his leadership, Shield AI secured major contracts with the U.S. Special Operations Command, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy, while expanding internationally with offices opening in Ukraine and the UAE.    Watch the full event here.

The discussion kicks off with House Republicans proposing a 10-year moratorium on state and local AI laws, aiming for a uniform federal standard. Key appropriations for advancing AI technologies in government sectors are also highlighted, from healthcare to defense. The spotlight then shifts to Anthropic's newest model, Claude Opus 4, which raised safety concerns after a blackmail incident led to discussions on AI failure modes. The need for stringent safety protocols in light of AI's potential misuse is critically explored.

A deep dive into China's ambitious AI strategy reveals its competitive edge and the potential risks to U.S. interests. Discussing the implications of new export controls on Huawei's chip technology, the episode critically examines the shifting landscape of global AI competition. Insights from President Trump's recent Middle East trip highlight the establishment of a U.S.-UAE AI partnership, igniting discussions on the future of international investments in AI technology and global computing dynamics.

The recent rescission of the AI Diffusion Framework raises questions about global AI ambitions. Top AI executives testify before Congress, shedding light on the future of the industry. The IRS may integrate AI for more efficient tax collection, but lessons from the Netherlands serve as a cautionary tale. Additionally, the U.S. Copyright Office's report on generative AI sparks debate over fair use and its implications. Finally, new Pope Leo XIV prioritizes AI in his papacy, addressing its impact on human dignity and labor.

The discussion dives into the Trump administration's transformative Fiscal Year 2026 budget request, emphasizing its impact on federal AI funding and export controls. The potential changes to the AI Diffusion Framework before its deadline spark intriguing debates. Meanwhile, insights from a pivotal Chinese Politburo session reveal the country's ambitious goals for AI and technological self-reliance. The analysis raises questions about international cooperation amidst growing tensions in the tech landscape.

In this engaging discussion, Alexandr Wang, founder and CEO of Scale AI, shares insights on pivotal AI policy issues. He delves into the competitive landscape with China, emphasizing the need for robust U.S. leadership in AI development. Wang highlights the strategic importance of AI in national security and innovative military collaborations. He also addresses the evolving safety standards for AI technologies and advocates for reforms to establish a national AI data reserve, ensuring the U.S. remains at the forefront of AI innovation.