The Cove Podcast

‘Again, you’re talking to someone who used to shave and drink out of the same cup ...’ In this week’s episode, we welcome back LTCOL Gordon Wing MBBS, the Senior Medical Officer in the Directorate of Army Health. An infantry Combat Team Commander turned Medical Doctor, LTCOL Wing brings his expertise in military medicine and prevention. His first appearance on the podcast covered the Military Employment Classification System; this time, we explore a topic with immediate, practical consequences for every soldier — field hygiene. From the campaigns at Milne Bay and the Huon Peninsula to the more recent deployment of Australian forces to INTEFET in East Timor, history reminds us that disease and poor sanitation can cripple armies just as easily as the enemy. General Douglas MacArthur is famously quoted as saying ‘[t]his will be a long war if, for every division I have facing the enemy, I must count on a second division in hospital with malaria and a third division convalescing from this debilitating disease.’ In this conversation, LTCOL Wing explains why hygiene remains a commander’s responsibility, and how discipline in the basics — cleanliness, waste management, water control, and illness prevention — is a combat multiplier. He breaks down what good hygiene looks like in austere environments, from simple routines every soldier can maintain without showers, to wider practices like dipping cams and medication. We discuss common illnesses in the field, how quickly poor hygiene can degrade operational effectiveness, and what leaders at every level can do to prevent infections before they spread, particular by enforcing strict routines and checks. Drawing on his medical expertise combined with his time in command in-the-field, LTCOL Wing offers practical, evidence-based advice: how antimicrobial wipes stack up against soap and water, how bacteria is passed through the urinary tract, and the role of medications like doxycycline in prevention. He also shares some essential hygiene rules every soldier should follow during high-tempo operations to remain healthy and combat effective. This episode is a timely reminder that maintaining health in the field is as much about discipline and leadership as it is about medicine — prevention against illness or injury in our potential operating environment will sustain a large fighting force to win. ————————————————————————— Subscribe to The Cove Podcast to make sure that you do not miss out on any of the heavy hitting content we have planned. Leading source: The Battle Lab’s article on Field Hygiene published on The Cove.

‘We are at the cutting edge of making what we have work.’ In this week’s episode, we sit down with BRIG Nick Wilson, Commander of the Australian Army’s newest brigade, the 10th Fires Brigade. Having just returned from Exercise Talisman Sabre 2025, BRIG Wilson talks us through putting his brigade through the ultimate test providing short-range, ground-based air defence, long-range multi-domain strike and specialist targeting effects to the 1st Division, the 2nd Division and the Headquarters Joint Operations Command (HQJOC). We start by discussing the current state of play in Army Fires and the role his brigade plays within the Australian Army and the wider ADF, seeing the introduction of High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), the National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System (NASAMS) and the vast array of munitions that can be fired from each to enable the joint fight. The brigade now comprises of the 54th Siege Battery (soon to become the 14th Regiment), the 16th Regiment and the 9th Regiment and is enabled by the 1st Intelligence Battalion and the 7th Signals Regiment. We explore the brigade’s unique command and control relationships, the sensor-to-shooter link that underpins its effectiveness, and the way the 10th Fires Brigade integrates both offensive strike and air defence effects across Australia and abroad. BRIG Wilson also highlights what the brigade achieved on Exercise Talisman Sabre 2025, including the first-ever Australian Precision Strike Missile (PrSM) launch from a HIMARS from Mount Bundey Training Area to Bradshaw Training Area, a Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) launch in Shoalwater Bay and a simulated HIMARS Rapid Infiltration (HIRAIN) mission onto Christmas Island with coalition partners. This is joint targeting and how the Australian Army’s fires enable the combined joint fight. ————————————————————————— Subscribe to The Cove Podcast to make sure that you do not miss out on any of the heavy hitting content we have planned

‘[W]e're not like a professional sporting team that our whole week is designed around that gameday on Saturday, [our] people are required to do their job day in, day out ...’ In this week’s episode, we sit down with WO2 Tavis Nicholson, the Warrant Officer Physical Training Instructor (WOPTI) at the Royal Military College – Duntroon, to explore how physical preparation underpins preparing for and winning wars in the Australian Army. Drawing on his experience training across conventional units and with Special Forces candidates, WO2 Nicholson outlines how physical fitness translates directly into a soldiers’ resilience, availability, and durability on combat and in war. He discusses his philosophy of programming — know the demands, know the baseline, train the gap — and how this approach ensures soldiers are fit for purpose rather than following passing fitness fads. Drawing lessons from his time with elite sporting teams, he highlights how careful programming, minimum effective dose training, and a focus on longevity can help extend soldiers’ careers and minimise injury. At the same time, he cautions against lowering standards to match societal norms, arguing instead for holding the line on the physical requirements that military service demands. This conversation is a deep dive into the art and science of physical training, balancing strength, endurance, and recovery with the unique occupational requirements of Army. Every physical training session must be balanced against the high physical demands of our day-to-day jobs. It’s about being intentional, adaptable, and consistent — ensuring every soldier is combat effective when it counts and to prevent injury. ————————————————————————— Subscribe to The Cove Podcast to make sure that you do not miss out on any of the heavy hitting content we have planned and WO2 Nicholson’s second episode on the practical elements of becoming and staying fighting fit.

‘[T]hat’s a brigade-sized amphibious operation planned and executed in a week …’ In this week’s episode, we dive into the Huon Peninsula Campaign of 1943–44 and examine how the Australian 9th Division used littoral operations to outpace and outfight the Japanese. Our guest this week – Dr Tom Richardson PhD – is a Senior Lecturer at the University of New South Wales – Canberra. He specialises in military history and amongst his many publications is an article called Small Boats and Brave Men, published in the Australian Army Journal. Following the fall of Lae in September 1943, the Australians turned their focus to securing Finschhafen, a vital harbour on the Huon Peninsula. Using small landing craft to bring tanks, artillery, and supplies forward along the coast, the 9th Division overcame difficult jungle terrain and fierce resistance to seize the town. From there, the campaign culminated in the dramatic combined-arms assault on Sattelberg Ridge, where infantry, armour, artillery, and engineers worked together to dislodge entrenched Japanese defenders. These actions highlight how littoral mobility and a coalition force enabled the Australians to fight heavy and manoeuvre decisively in some of the most demanding conditions of the Second World War. ————————————————————————— Subscribe to The Cove Podcast to make sure that you do not miss out on any of the heavy hitting content we have planned Leading Sources: Richardson, T. (2023). Small Boats and Brave Men: The 9th Division and the use of the Littoral in the Huon Peninsula Campaign, September 1943 – January 1944. Australian Army Journal, Vol. 19, No. 2. Available at: Army Research Centre Dean, P. J. (Ed.). (2013). Australia 1943: The Liberation of New Guinea. Cambridge University Press.

‘[T]he best piece of advice I've had in years past is that if it hurts a little ... there's probably a fair element of truth to it...’ In this week’s episode, we explore how to seek feedback and turn it into actionable advice for commanders. Our guest, WOFF Ken Robertson, the Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chief of the Defence Force (SEAC), is the Australian Defence Force’s most senior enlisted leader. As the first person appointed to the role, he has advised GEN Angus Campbell and ADM David Johnston while representing the soldiers, sailors, and aviators of the ADF. WOFF Robertson shares his journey from being a fiercely competitive junior aviator and sportsman to recognising the power of deliberate reflection and embracing honest feedback over decades of personal growth. He outlines his approach to gathering insights from tens of thousands of ADF members, uncovering the real value in spending time with those he represents. He also explains how he distils this feedback into clear, meaningful advice for the CDF and senior leaders. Today, he actively seeks feedback from people who challenge his perspective, a habit that has helped him become confident in his identity as both a leader and a person. He deliberately immerses himself in the ADF squadrons, ships, and battalions to witness and celebrate their achievements firsthand. In doing so, he strengthens trust, stays connected to the lived experiences of the force, and ensures the advice he provides to the nation’s top commanders is grounded in the reality of those achieving amazing things for our organisation. ————————————————————— Subscribe to The Cove Podcast to make sure that you do not miss out on any of the heavy hitting content we have planned

‘The scale of Talisman Sabre from a geographic perspective is difficult to comprehend and, in some cases, it can be quite difficult to describe.’ In this week’s episode, we talk through all things Exercise Talisman Sabre 2025, the largest Australian Defence Force Exercise this year. Our guest this week – SQNLDR Zac Smit – is an Operations Officer in the Exercise Control on Exercise Talisman Sabre 2025 and has lived and breathed this exercise since January this year. We record on-the-road from the Combined Joint Information Bureau at Gallipoli Barracks in South-East Queensland.   Exercise Talisman Sabre 2025 included 43,000 participants in an area spanning 5,300km, 24 warships including 2 carrier strike groups, 270+ aircraft flying 2,000 sorties for the duration of the exercise, the 1st (Australian) Division employed together as the Army’s unit of action, multiple combined joint forcible entry operations via air and amphibious insertion methods, the first live firing of Defence Australia’s HIMARS and Precision Strike Missile, the largest ADF medical effect since the Vietnam War, and the full-activation of Joint Logistics Command Australia’s theatre logistics system. In this episode, SQNLDR Smit talks about how much different this Talisman Sabre was to Exercise Talisman Sabre 2023, what we set out to achieve in terms of exercise objectives, the impact that global issues can have on the entire exercise and then finally the lessons learnt or takeaways from his perspective in the hot-seat of the Exercise Control Current Operations. Teams of ADF, our partner nations and civilians worked tirelessly 24/7 to achieve some huge successes on one of the largest exercises ever conducted by the ADF. ————————————————————————— Subscribe to The Cove Podcast to make sure that you do not miss out on any of the heavy hitting content we have planned

‘The way that we designed the Battle Group was on platform and systems of uncrewed and crewed variants that are theoretically attainable within the next two years ...’ In this week’s episode, we talk through combat experimentation in the Australian Army, getting after emerging technology, learning fast and developing the latest TTPs. Our guest this week – LTCOL Jake Penley – is the Commanding Officer of the 1st Armoured Regiment in Adelaide SA and has been tasked with shifting the unit from an Armoured Cavalry Regiment to the Army’s combat experimentation unit. From participating in Project Convergence Capstone 5, a large-scale experiment without the constraints of training levels that allows the US Military, its allies and Defence industry to have at it testing future concepts and the newest war fighting technology to participating in the North Queensland War Fighter, this is the cutting edge of future land warfare. From running Lavarack Barracks out of maps to enable a huge analytical wargame ran by the Defence Science and Technology Group (DSTG) to receiving pallets of brand-new equipment with little instructions, 1st Armoured Regiment is balancing emerging technology and learning with our traditional understanding of tactics and control measures. Tactics and control measures, LTCOL Penley argues, which only become more important with the innovation and leading-edge technology. Working with industry, both Primes and small manufacturers, as well as DSTG mean that any failures are fast, and lessons are learnt quickly to enable the unit to solve the problems of future land warfare. ————————————————————————— Subscribe to The Cove Podcast to make sure that you do not miss out on any of the heavy hitting content we have planned

Join WO1 Brad Doyle, Command Sergeant Major of Forces Command, and WO1 Mick Reyne, Training Warrant Officer - Army, as they discuss the evolution of military training strategies. They emphasize a shift from individual skills to a collective approach, integrating advanced simulations for enhanced performance. Key insights include the importance of structured training designs, continuous assessments, and fostering a culture of feedback for improvement. Discover how effective training aligns with organizational goals to ensure operational readiness.

'Watching those aircraft take off ... and knowing that you are part of that success, part of that story, there's not many better feelings.’ In this week’s episode, we talk about the challenges and opportunities of keeping the CH47 Chinook and AH-64 Apache helicopters in the air. Our guests are CAPT Shannon McGee and FSGT Jason Smart from the Army’s new 16 Aviation Support Battalion in Townsville, Queensland. CAPT Shannon McGee is a Mechanical and Aerospace Engineer on the CH47 Chinook and FSGT Jason Smart is an Aircraft Technician who has seen the introduction-into-service of the MRH90 Taipan and has deployed supporting Army helicopters multiple times, including in the first days of INTERFET in Dili and later from a patrol base in Balibo, both in Timor-Leste.  The 16 Aviation Support Battalion is tasked with keeping the fleet of CH47 Chinooks in the air to meet Army’s need for rotary wing lift while preparing for the introduction-into-service of the Australian Army’s newest helicopter, the AH-64 Apache combat helicopter. Both 1 Aviation Regiment and 5 Aviation Regiment will fly out of Townsville, operating from Hamel Lines at RAAF Townsville. The Apache is replacing the Eurocopter Tiger Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter and will become the 1 Aviation Regiment’s attack aviation platform. The first AH-64 Apaches are scheduled to commence flying operations in the next six months and many of the aircrew and support staff have already commenced training in the United States to prepare to be thrown the keys.  The team that supports Army flying operations include maintainers, Aviation Ground Crew, Life-support Fitters, and engineers. The come from the Army, RAAF and civilian contractors that have maintained helicopters at Hamel Lines for decades, conducting everything from routine to deep maintenance. They will be joined by Maintenance Augmentation Teams provided by the United States Army and field service representatives from Boeing to enable the introduction-into-service. Army aviation is at the start of exciting times and these are the people that get to create history.    —————————————————————————   Subscribe to The Cove Podcast to make sure that you do not miss out on any of the heavy hitting content we have planned. 

‘We are never going to be combat ineffective because of atmospherics... we can work in the rain, we can work in the mud, and we can work in the jungle.’ In this week’s episode, we talk all things infantry reconnaissance and how reconnaissance patrols enable the fight. Our guest this week - CPL Andrew Noseda - is currently the acting Platoon Sergeant for the Reconnaissance Platoon at the 1st Battalion, the Royal Australian Regiment. He was the Section Commander for the battalion’s Duke of Gloucester Cup team and his team took out second place out of all the teams submitted by the regular infantry battalions. He has been in reconnaissance for the last four years, two as a digger and two as a Patrol Commander, and he talks us through the purpose of dismounted infantry recon and what a recon patrol can offer commanders.    Observation Posts (OP) and Point Target Reconnaissance (PTR) are the primary means by which infantry recon will answer their Commander’s Critical Information Requirements, ranging from questions about the terrain/weather to the enemy disposition and pattern of life. Recon patrols are prime targets for enemy engagement and are inherently vulnerable. They operate in isolation, with limited communications and they often carry all the stores and equipment necessary for their task on-foot. They can be inserted via vehicle, boat, helicopter or on-foot to set the preconditions for the main force.    Infantry recon can be supplemented with engineer recon, armoured recon and Joint Fires Observers to enhance mobility, endurance, to answer more of the commander’s questions and to target the enemy with Offensive Support. The Basic Reconnaissance Course is the first course in the continuum and can be completed by both infantry and other corps. The Patrol Commander is responsible for briefing the commander that they are attached to on what they can achieve. The earlier in planning that the Patrol Commander is included, the more refined the specified tasks their patrol is allocated in orders to better enable the commander’s intent.    —————————————————————————   Subscribe to The Cove Podcast to make sure that you do not miss out on any of the heavy hitting content we have planned.