

The Cove Podcast
The Cove
The Cove Podcast brings you candid, unfiltered conversations with the leaders, soldiers, and scholars shaping the Australian Army today. Each week, our host CAPT Todd Lempa sits down with uniformed officers and soldiers leading the change in the Australian Army as well as academics and international partners to unpack what modern warfare demands.
From redefining leadership and resilience in the modern Army to exploring lessons from combat operations, command culture, human performance, and the future of land power, The Cove Podcast reveals how the Australian Army thinks, learns, and fights. Whether it’s a Regimental Sergeant Major reflecting on combat, a general discussing Warrior Culture, or a psychologist unpacking mental readiness—each episode delivers a grounded look at the people and ideas driving the Australian Army forward.
Insightful, grounded, and authentic — this is where the Australian Army thinks out loud.
From redefining leadership and resilience in the modern Army to exploring lessons from combat operations, command culture, human performance, and the future of land power, The Cove Podcast reveals how the Australian Army thinks, learns, and fights. Whether it’s a Regimental Sergeant Major reflecting on combat, a general discussing Warrior Culture, or a psychologist unpacking mental readiness—each episode delivers a grounded look at the people and ideas driving the Australian Army forward.
Insightful, grounded, and authentic — this is where the Australian Army thinks out loud.
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Nov 16, 2025 • 43min
The Double-Edged Sword: Jamming and Machine Learning - MAJ Tom Berry
‘If an adversary is operating in a highly enabled headquarters and we’re not, we will fall behind instantly ...’
In this week’s episode, the host sits down with MAJ Tom Berry, a Signals Officer posted to Headquarters Joint Operations Command (HQJOC), to unpack the realities of jamming, machine learning, and the future of command-and-control on the modern battlefield. Building on a recent episode titled Tactical Communications with CAPT Jack Virtue, this conversation shifts from line-of-sight and beyond-line-of-sight communications to the complex world of electronic warfare, adaptation, and decision-making advantage.
We break down the assumptions many of us still hold about jamming — including the belief that enemy EW will simply “switch off” our command posts and force us back to maps and talcs. MAJ Berry explains why jamming rarely works like that, how most systems retain offline data even when real-time feeds are denied, and why jamming is a double-edged sword that exposes the emitter as much as the target. From GPS and SATCOM spoofing to tactical-level EW effects and A2/AD systems, he outlines the conditions, power requirements, and vulnerabilities that determine how and when jamming is actually effective.
The episode then explores mesh networks, distributed architectures, and what resilient, reconfigurable communications webs can offer a formation — and their limits. We discuss why mesh networks reduce bandwidth stress on BLOS communications, how they support tempo, and why even the best mesh still depends on a reliable BLOS hop.
Finally, we dive into machine learning and its role in enabling commanders and staff. MAJ Berry explains how ML helps find “needles in haystacks,” reduces the staff effort required to decypher useful information, and gives command post staff and commanders the space to create shock, surprise, and decision advantage. We also examine the tension between a commander’s information requirements and the creeping “1000-mile screwdriver” — what leaders need to see versus what they want to see.
This episode challenges long-held assumptions about jamming and machine learning — and argues that if we consistently drop to map-and-compass we will be left behind by those armies embracing machine learning to accelerate their decision-making speed.
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Nov 2, 2025 • 53min
South Sudan to Line Creek: The Adaptation of Combat Integration - WO1 Chris Sharp
‘'[T]here were .50 cal rounds coming off of Technicals that were ripping through the accommodation buildings…’
In this week’s episode, CAPT Todd Lempa sits down with Warrant Officer Class One Chris Sharp, Regimental Sergeant Major of the 1st Armoured Regiment, to talk about Operation ASLAN, getting selected as the RSM of the Army’s first Combat Experimentation regiment and training soldiers in Africa to transforming an armoured regiment at home, WO1 Sharp’s story is one of challenge, adaptation, and belief in people over platforms.
He reflects on his deployment to South Sudan on Operation ASLAN, where he served as a Training Warrant Officer embedded with the United States military, navigating the complexities of operating alongside multinational partners in one of the most demanding environments on Earth. Returning to Australia, he learned he’d been selected as the RSM of the 1st Armoured Regiment — a proud moment quickly tempered by peers questioning whether he was going to a “real armoured combat regiment.”
What followed was an exciting and fast paced change. He began 2025 watching every armoured vehicle in the compound loaded onto trucks and driven away, leaving behind an empty regiment compound. But by the end of the year, his soldiers had delivered one of the standout performances of Exercise Talisman Sabre 25, using uncrewed aerial systems, armed First Person View (FPV) drones, and automated M113s to outmanoeuvre and outthink the enemy party. The result was not just tactical success — it was a cultural one, with soldiers begging to stay in the unit they had helped reinvent.
This episode captures what leadership looks like when tradition meets transformation — how an RSM can build pride, purpose, and lethality in an era where the definition of “armoured” is changing fast.
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Oct 26, 2025 • 54min
Command in Combat: Hard Decisions and High Standards – BRIG Dave McCammon
Brigadier David McCammon, a seasoned Australian Army officer, shares his insights from over 20 years of tactical leadership. He discusses the criticality of preparation and maintaining standards. McCammon emphasizes morale as rooted in pride and purpose rather than comfort, revealing the importance of the '70% solution' in decision-making under pressure. His candid reflections on moral courage, accountability, and the burdens of command highlight the unpredictable nature of leadership in combat, making for a profound conversation.

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Oct 19, 2025 • 54min
Spiritual Toughness: The Big Three Questions – CHAP Gav Keating
Chaplain Gav Keating, a former infantry officer who transitioned from leading troops to becoming an Army chaplain, shares compelling insights on spiritual toughness. He discusses the profound impact of personal loss as a catalyst for exploring life's meaning. Gav defines spirituality beyond religion, emphasizing its role in resilience and understanding identity. He explores the 'big three' questions—Who am I? Why am I here? How shall I live?—and illustrates how inner strength sustains people against adversities, shaping their purpose and fighting spirit.

Oct 12, 2025 • 45min
The Invisible Front: The Importance of Effective Counterintelligence - MAJ Paul Patty
'These people aren’t ghosts, as much as they attempt to be or seem like it ...’
In this week’s episode, we sit down with MAJ Paul Patty, an Intelligence Officer in the Australian Army, to unpack counterintelligence (CI) in modern conflict. MAJ Patty is an expert in counterintelligence, and his skills have been relied upon in both the private and government sectors. We open with two stark contrasts: a contemporary case study on Ukraine’s operational planning and the consequences when CI is poorly conducted, set against the UK’s Double-Cross system in the Second World War—a successful approach to turn Axis spies to report bogus information back to Germany. We also examine how Russian services seeded spies inside Ukraine and across other post-Soviet states to run grey-zone deception operations, leaking operational plans back to Moscow and distorting Ukrainian decision cycles before contact.
We also confront a hard truth at home: Australians are not immune to recruitment by Foreign Intelligence Services. The classic levers of MICE—money, ideology, coercion, and ego—remain timeless vulnerabilities. Understanding how these levers are pulled, and recognising them early in ourselves and our teams, is essential to preventing insiders from becoming access points into our operations.
From there, MAJ Patty lays out what CI is (and isn’t): not just security compliance, but a campaign to degrade, deny, and manipulate an adversary’s understanding of our intent, capabilities, and movements. We explore how offensive and defensive CI intersect—neutralising hostile HUMINT networks, protecting sensitive capabilities, countering technical
collection, and planning for counter-sabotage and partner-force integrity—and why CI effects must be integrated into operations from the
start, not bolted on at the end.
Whether you’re a junior leader looking for practical CI habits or a planner figuring out how to wire CI into targeting, deception, and signature management, this conversation offers a clear, hard-edged primer on
how to fight for decision advantage when it matters most.
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Oct 5, 2025 • 1h 7min
Warrior Ethos: from Non-Combatant Evacuation to High-End Warfighting - WO1 Scott Krum
WO1 Scott Krum, the Regimental Sergeant Major of the Royal Australian Infantry Corps with over three decades of service, delves into the challenges faced during the Kabul Non-Combatant Evacuation Operation. He shares gripping stories of soldier readiness, the chaos of managing crowds at the North and Abbey Gates, and how ethics played a role under pressure. Krum emphasizes the importance of warrior culture, resilience, and healthy competition within units, while encouraging listeners to embrace determination and ownership in their roles.

Sep 28, 2025 • 35min
The Unseen Ties: Exploring Civil-Military Relations – Prof. Risa Brooks PhD
‘The problem is if society becomes accustomed to or reliant on using the army to solve problems or to address failures of civilian capacity.’
In this week’s episode, we sit down with Dr Risa Brooks PhD, a Professor of Political Science at Marquette University and a leading scholar on civil-military relations, to unpack the enduring tension between military effectiveness and democratic control. Drawing on Peter Feaver’s concept of the “problematique,” Dr Brooks examines how this dilemma plays out in democracies like Australia and the United States today.
We explore the public face of the military — why trust, transparency, and perception matter, and why uniformed leaders must tread carefully when engaging publicly. Dr Brooks discusses the risks of politicisation, the responsibilities of senior leaders, and the limits of professional dissent in systems that prize both loyalty and independence.
The conversation also turns to the paradox of trust: how high public confidence in the military can lead to its overuse in civilian roles, and what that means for long-term legitimacy. We ask whether silence is always the right response to criticism, whether the expectation of apolitical conduct can itself be a trap, and how accountability should be exercised by senior leaders in difficult times.
Finally, Dr Brooks highlights what healthy civil-military relations look like in practice, points to international models worth learning from, and offers practical advice for Australia’s emerging leaders on how to strengthen civil-military trust for the future.
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Sep 21, 2025 • 44min
A New Era of Decision Making in the Australian Army – CAPT Jimmy Wilson
‘Our boss at the time [was] very experienced in [Air Mobile Operations] and really raised us... [to be] tuned into the detail in terms of planning chalks and serials and bump plans ...’
On this episode of The Cove Podcast, we sit down with CAPT Jimmy Wilson, a Small Group Instructor at the Royal Military College – Duntroon (RMC-D), to unpack the Australian Defence Force’s new Decision Making and Planning Process (DMPP). An Infantry Officer with service in the 3rd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment; the Combat Training Centre; and the 8/9th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, CAPT Wilson now teaches the Army’s newest officers how to plan and make effective decisions.
The DMPP replaced the Military Appreciation Process (MAP) which was made up of the Combat Military Appreciation Process (CMAP), Individual Military Appreciation Process (IMAP), and the Staff Military Appreciation Process (SMAP). The DMPP now includes two processes, the Immediate Decision-Making Process (IDMP) and the Deliberate Military Appreciation Process (DMAP). At its core, the DMPP puts the commander back at the centre of planning—driving the process through timely, intuitive decision-making. As CAPT Wilson explains, this isn’t about reinventing the wheel, but codifying practices already being applied on major exercises and operations and allowing more flexibility and intuition.
Whether you’re a junior leader grappling with planning for the first time, or part of a formation headquarters staff transitioning from the MAP to the DMPP in your formation, this episode provides practical insight into how RMC-D is rolling out the new training package—and what it means for leaders across the Army.
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Sep 14, 2025 • 40min
Survival Starts with Hygiene: How to Thrive in the Field - LTCOL Gordon Wing MBBS
‘Again, you’re talking to someone who used to shave and drink out of the same cup ...’
In this week’s episode, we welcome back LTCOL Gordon Wing MBBS, the Senior Medical Officer in the Directorate of Army Health. An infantry Combat Team Commander turned Medical Doctor, LTCOL Wing brings his expertise in military medicine and prevention. His first appearance on the podcast covered the Military Employment Classification System; this time, we explore a topic with immediate, practical consequences for every soldier — field hygiene.
From the campaigns at Milne Bay and the Huon Peninsula to the more recent deployment of Australian forces to INTEFET in East Timor, history reminds us that disease and poor sanitation can cripple armies just as easily as the enemy. General Douglas MacArthur is famously quoted as saying ‘[t]his will be a long war if, for every division I have facing the enemy, I must count on a second division in hospital with malaria and a third division convalescing from this debilitating disease.’ In this conversation, LTCOL Wing explains why hygiene remains a commander’s responsibility, and how discipline in the basics — cleanliness, waste management, water control, and illness prevention — is a combat multiplier.
He breaks down what good hygiene looks like in austere environments, from simple routines every soldier can maintain without showers, to wider practices like dipping cams and medication. We discuss common illnesses in the field, how quickly poor hygiene can degrade operational effectiveness, and what leaders at every level can do to prevent infections
before they spread, particular by enforcing strict routines and checks.
Drawing on his medical expertise combined with his time in command in-the-field, LTCOL Wing offers practical, evidence-based advice: how antimicrobial wipes stack up against soap and water, how bacteria is passed through the urinary tract, and the role of medications like doxycycline in prevention. He also shares some essential hygiene rules every soldier should follow during high-tempo operations to remain healthy and combat effective.
This episode is a timely reminder that maintaining health in the field is as much about discipline and leadership as it is about medicine — prevention against illness or injury in our potential operating environment will sustain a large fighting force to win.
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Leading source: The Battle Lab’s article on Field Hygiene published on The Cove.

Sep 7, 2025 • 48min
Targeting the Future: the Army's Newest Brigade - BRIG Nick Wilson
‘We are at the cutting edge of making what we have work.’
In this week’s episode, we sit down with BRIG Nick Wilson, Commander of the Australian Army’s newest brigade, the 10th Fires Brigade. Having just returned from Exercise Talisman Sabre 2025, BRIG Wilson talks us through putting his brigade through the ultimate test providing short-range, ground-based air defence, long-range multi-domain strike and specialist targeting effects to the 1st Division, the 2nd Division and the Headquarters Joint Operations Command (HQJOC).
We start by discussing the current state of play in Army Fires and the role his brigade plays within the Australian Army and the wider ADF, seeing the introduction of High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), the National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System (NASAMS) and the vast array of munitions that can be fired from each to enable the joint fight. The brigade now comprises of the 54th Siege Battery (soon to become the 14th Regiment), the 16th Regiment and the 9th Regiment and is enabled by the 1st Intelligence Battalion and the 7th Signals Regiment.
We explore the brigade’s unique command and control relationships, the sensor-to-shooter link that underpins its effectiveness, and the way the 10th Fires Brigade integrates both offensive strike and air defence effects across Australia and abroad. BRIG Wilson also highlights what the brigade achieved on Exercise Talisman Sabre 2025, including the first-ever Australian Precision Strike Missile (PrSM) launch from a HIMARS from Mount Bundey Training Area to Bradshaw Training Area, a Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) launch in Shoalwater Bay and a simulated HIMARS Rapid Infiltration (HIRAIN) mission onto Christmas Island with coalition partners.
This is joint targeting and how the Australian Army’s fires enable the combined joint fight.
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