
Unlearn: Redefining the Playbook for Modern Business
The world is changing fast—what worked yesterday won’t guarantee success tomorrow. On Unlearn, we bring you visionary leaders, bold strategies, and groundbreaking ideas shaping the future of business, innovation, and leadership. This isn’t just about adapting—it’s about evolving. We challenge outdated thinking, break free from convention, and explore what it really takes to thrive in a world where the only constant is change. If you’re ready to rethink the way you work, lead, and grow, you’re in the right place.
Latest episodes

Feb 28, 2024 • 54min
Ep 21 | Driving Transformation Together: The Evolving Role of Partnerships with Hong Choing
On this podcast episode of the Unlearn Podcast, we are joined by Hong Choing from Oracle, who has over 25 years of experience leading global partnerships. Listen in, as he shares how strategic collaborations currently supercharge innovation, accelerate time to market, and help companies leapfrog competitors. He dives into the critical success factors and challenges in managing partnerships at massive global scale. This is a can't-miss discussion for any leader who wants their company and partnerships to succeed in today's disruptive environment. So listen in to gain proven strategies for optimizing relationships and unlocking exponential growth through strategic cooperation straight from a seasoned industry veteran.

Feb 21, 2024 • 51min
Ep 20 | Mastering Mega Deals: Insights from a Decade of B2B Dealmaking with Christopher Engman
On this episode of the Unlearn podcast, Listen in to Asher and Kelly talk to Christopher Engman, a veteran in the mega deals space. He discusses the differences between selling to large enterprises versus small businesses and how marketing plays a bigger role in mega deals due to the complexity of decisions.
He emphasizes the unique approach needed for mega deals, highlighting the impact of complex decision-making in matrix organizations. Christopher explores the evolving landscape of mega deals in the digital era, underlining the role of marketing in building brand trust. The conversation underscores the significance of understanding client data, departments, and decision-making processes, with Christopher advocating for targeting investors and stakeholders to expedite opportunities.

Feb 21, 2024 • 59min
Ep 19 | Data-Driven Decisions with Peter Caputa
On this episode of the Unlearn podcast, listen in to Peter Caputa, where he delves into his role at Databox, an analytics platform with a unique Benchmark feature. Discover how Databox helps companies harness data for decision-making, and their partner program for accessible data-driven insights. The conversation also explores community building, product launch challenges, and Caputa's journey from engineer to CEO. Learn about his expertise in sales, partnership strategies, and the dynamic business landscape he operates in.

Jan 19, 2024 • 54min
Ep 18 | Marketing Strategies in the Digital Landscape with Doug Landis
On this podcast episode of the Unlearn Podcast, listen in to Doug Landis as he delves into marketing strategies in the digital age, discussing challenges and innovations with Asher Mathew and Kelly Sarabyn. They touch on startup layoffs and acquisitions in the venture capital industry, shedding light on the experiences of B2B SaaS investment firms and the evolving landscape of founder mental health. The conversation expands to include AI funding, sales and marketing challenges, and the evolution of CRO roles in mid-stage companies. Additionally, they explore career progression for C-level executives and the importance of community building in marketing. Insights into partnerships and ecosystems in go-to-market strategies round out the discussion.

Oct 18, 2023 • 52min
Ep 17 | Unlearning Marketing - Crafting Engagement in a Changing Landscape with Kristen Jacobson
On this episode of the Unlearn podcast, Join hosts Kelly and Asher as they talk to Kristen Jacobson, a growth marketer and head of digital operations at UST. Kristen unfolds her unconventional journey into marketing and how her entrepreneurial background has shaped her unique approach to growth marketing. Their discussion spans a spectrum of intriguing topics, from the influence of pop culture on B2B marketing to forging emotional connections with customers.

Oct 9, 2023 • 48min
Ep 16 | Supercharging Business Technology: Startup Disruption and Innovation with David Linthicum
Join hosts Kelly Sarabyn and Asher Matthew in the latest episode of the Unlearn Podcast, featuring the insightful David Linthicum, Chief Cloud Strategy Officer at Deloitte. Together, they embark on a journey to unlock the secrets of supercharging technology in the business world. They fearlessly confront questions about whether plucky startups can take on industry giants and why innovation can sometimes be elusive for large corporations.

Sep 6, 2023 • 54min
Ep 15 | Charting New Waters: Redefining Leadership in Modern Marketing with Amanda Malko
Join hosts Kelly Sarabyn & Asher Matthew on the Unlearn Podcast as they delve into a lively chat with Go-to-Market expert Amanda Malko. Discover Amanda's journey to guilt-free time off and her ingenious use of the regret minimization framework. Unearth the evolution of marketing in the digital age, and how Amanda envisions a strategic upheaval, with CEOs steering the ship. Tune in for insights on the modern CMO's power, crafting stellar customer experiences, and unraveling the mysteries of word-of-mouth magic.

Aug 2, 2023 • 50min
Ep 14 | Unraveling Partnership Prowess with Nate Bray
On this episode of the Unlearn podcast, join hosts Kelly and Asher as they sit down with Nate, a dynamic partnerships leader, to unravel his fascinating journey from business process outsourcing to the world of financial services and banking partnerships. Discover how Fintech partnerships evolved amidst regulatory challenges and data sensitivity, and learn about his groundbreaking integration framework. Plus, Nate shares essential tips for aspiring partnership leaders.

Jul 26, 2023 • 58min
Ep 13 |Startup Secrets Unveiled: Exploring Fundraising with Rand Fishkin
On this episode of the Unlearn podcast, Join hosts Kelly and Asher as they dive deep into the fascinating world of startups and fundraising with none other than Rand Fishkin, Founder of the revolutionary SparkToro. Listen in to Rand as he shares the secrets of the startup ecosystem, unraveling the mysteries surrounding fundraising and addressing some of the structural challenges within the current system.

Jul 13, 2023 • 1h 2min
Ep 12 | Shaping the Future of GTM Leadership with Bruce Cleveland
On this episode of the Unlearn podcast, listen in to Bruce Cleveland, a renowned tech industry executive of Oracle, Marketo, and Siebel Systems, as he delves into the ethical implications of AI for HR and why he prefers a hard charging, in-office culture. He also shares his view on future-proof GTM leadership and expounds upon the strategic power of partnership models.