
Psychedelic Salon
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Sep 30, 2009 • 60min
Podcast 198 – “Terence McKenna on NPR – 1999″
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
"Well if you’re looking for psychoactive plants, nature is full of them. In every environment, in every ecosystem there are plants that either singly, or in combination with nearby plants, will deliver powerful mind-altering experiences."
"For the person who does their homework, there is no conflict between the wish to experience these things and their legal status." (This was in response to a question about legal highs.)
"Drugs often have more effect on the people who don’t take them than on the people who do take them." (In amplification of the Timothy Leary quote that these substances often cause psychotic behavior in people who haven’t taken them. NOTE: Leary denied being the source of this quote.)
"Science fiction is the gateway drug."
"I spent last week with Bruce Damer, who is one of the great mavens of interactive, virtual worlds, and we were dressing in avatars, meeting people in cyberspace (see photos, right) … and then opening several virtual worlds at once on your screen. So you actually have the experience of being in more than one place at one time. After a couple of hours of that you leave the keyboard, and you can practically feel the McLuhanesque reprogramming of your communications-based categories based on this bizarre informational environment that you’ve been spending time in."
"Drugs are here to stay. They’re a part of post-modern life. There will be more and more of them. Wherever they are illegal they will spawn criminal syndicalism. We need to sit down with our children and explain to them how you take drugs, how you evaluate their effect on you, how you make decisions absent social pressure and hype and how you come to terms with this particular aspect of modern life. … If we don’t educate people we are going to produce a continuous supply of victims for the courts and the prisons to make their grist."
"I’m not interested in cataloging the varieties of the doorways to the secret. I’m interested in finding one doorway that works."
"Pro bono proctologists from other star systems are not making unannounced, free house calls in our homes. This could almost be a litmus test for sanity."
"Whether achieved through some yogic or some quasi-religious technique or through the use of drugs, but when we perturb our mental machinery time and space comes apart and reweaves itself in unexpected ways."
"It’s very interesting to me that this psychedelic insight [that we are creatures of language] is restated by the cyber revolution, which says it slightly differently. It says the world is code. Everything is code. Your DNA creates you as its code unfolds. … Code is the primary reality."
"I’ve always felt in a way that the New Age was a flight from the psychedelic experience, that the New Age was saying its invisible agenda was ‘We’ll try anything as long as we’re sure it doesn’t work,’ and that automatically exempts psychedelics."
"Once you find psychedelics you’re not looking for the accelerator anymore. You’re looking for the brakes on your spiritual vehicle. You have suddenly found the means to achieve the stated goal, which is union with the divine, or oneness, or something like that."
"Magic, which we haven’t heard much about seriously, since the sixteenth century, magic is the idea that the world is made of language, and that you can control the world through language, through spells, through the power of letters, so forth and so on."
"Computer code is magical language. It’s language which when executed causes something to actually happen."
"So I would say on this 2012 thing, we can now see the light at the end of the tunnel. Human history ends in human-machine prosthesis, and machine history begins in human-machine prosthesis."
"Drug-taking and drug-using people have been hideously stereotyped. If a racial or religious minority had had to put up with the crap we...

Sep 16, 2009 • 1h 31min
Podcast 197 – “McNature”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
"It seems to me that it [Nature] is psyche in a way that has become occluded by the perverse development of language."
"Standing outside the cultural hysteria the trend is fairly clear. It is a trend toward temporal compression and the emergence of ambiguity."
"Nature is actually the goal at the end of history."
"Hallucinogenic plants act as enzymes which stimulate imagination."
"And what we’re looking toward is a moment when the artificial language structures which bind us within the notion of ourselves are dissolved in the presence of the realization that we are a part of nature. And when that happens, the childhood of our species will pass away, and we will stand tremulously on the brink of really the first moment of coherent human civilization."
"We are an intelligent species caught in an historical process. No generation which proceeded us knew what was going on, and there is no reason to assume that we know what’s going on or that the generation which follows us will know what’s going on. And what kind of trip is it anyway to insist on knowing what’s going on?"
"It’s no big deal about how you get language to evolve. You cause language to evolve by saying new and intelligent things to each other."
"Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. They open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong."
"Only responsible human beings can exist in an anarchistic society."
"Living psychedelically is trying to live in an atmosphere of continuous unfolding of understanding. So that every day you know more, and see into things with greater depth, than you did before."
"Culture is another dimention."
"The lack of a sense of history makes us really prey to manipulation."
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Sep 14, 2009 • 1h 11min
Podcast 196 – “Timothy Leary vs. Notre Dame”
Guest speaker: Dr. Timothy Leary
PROGRAM NOTES:
NOTE: All quotations are by Dr. Timothy Leary.]
"Of course, what the politicians debate about is really irrelevant because they’re in basic agreement. They believe in the system. They just want the power to run it. So they give us the illusion about fighting fiercely about words and tactics and promises, but we know, don’t we, that there’s no choice there."
"What’s it all about? What’s life all about? Why are we here? To build bigger and bigger machines? To do things faster and faster and think more and more? In fifty years everyone will know what I’m telling you tonight. That the only reason for being here is to get on this glorious adventure of finding the Divine, unraveling the great conscious mystery story. That’s the only point, ecstatic being, that is, get high and stay high."
"Dope is going to be the religion of the future."
"You just can’t drop LSD the way you slug a beer. It’s much too intricate"
"Once you start playing around with reality you are never the same."
"Most of you aren’t ready to take psychedelic drugs now because you haven’t done much work on the yoga of the senses. To put it in a word, most of you are senseless."
"It may not come as a surprise to an audience of Catholics that the sensory realm has, since the dawn of human history, been recognized as one of the great sacramental approaches to the divine. And any religion that has lasted for any time at all has utilized the sensual experience as a way of turning on the beholder, getting him high, getting him ameliorated to a god-intoxicated state."
"If you don’t have a sacred place stick to beer."
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Sep 14, 2009 • 54min
Podcast 195 – “The Future of Higher Intelligence” Part 2
Guest speakers: Robert Anton Wilson, Dr. John Lilly, Dr. Timothy Leary
PROGRAM NOTES:
"Creativity has a touch of the bizarre" –Robert Anton Wilson
"Since things are moving faster and faster, we cannot afford the amount of stupidity that we used to be able to tolerate." –Robert Anton Wilson
"We need something to replace death as an intelligence increaser. Generally, the only way that intelligence could grow was to get rid of the people who haven’t taken any new imprints since adolescence, as Tim would say." –Robert Anton Wilson
"The bizarre, the unthinkable is where creativity comes from." –Robert Anton Wilson
"In that process [Ilya Prigogine's theory of dissipative structures], we are dissipating, collapsing, out of all the structures we know, not into chaos, not into the collapse of civilization, but into a higher level of coherence." –Robert Anton Wilson
"There seem to be more optimism about psychedelics. They seem to be treated now with more rationality, as I was hoping they would be back in the Sixties, but they couldn’t be then. We were too ignorant." –Dr. John Lilly
"The dumb people in the Sunbelt have all gone to Washington and New York to seek their fortunes there, people like Jann Wenner of Rolling Stone. He’s just plain dumb. He’s got a track record not where everything he touches is turning wrong simply because he’s betting on the past." –Timothy Leary
"The doomsday sayers, the people who are warning of and hoping for some sort of apocalyptic crisis, an earthquake, an end to everything. Now anyone who lays that trip on you, just look at them and smile and say, ‘Listen, the world isn’t coming to an end. You have come to an end of your vision. It’s you who feel that your end is at hand. The evolutionary picture is moving along beautifully.’ " –Timothy Leary
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Aug 24, 2009 • 1h 11min
Podcast 194 – “The Future of Higher Intelligence” Part 1
Guest speaker: Dr. Timothy Leary
PROGRAM NOTES:
This recording was made at a conference held at the University of California, Santa Barbara in 1981. Panelists include: Dr. Timothy Leary, Frank Baron, Dr. Andrew Weil,Walter Houston Clark, Robert Anton Wilson, and Paul Krasner
[NOTE: All quotations are by Timothy Leary.]
"I think it’s all about the brain, or certainly the brain as the key to consciousness and intelligence. The brain, as we well know, is the taboo organ of the 20th century."
"The introduction of a new technology, a new paradigm, a new world model to a primitive society takes a lot of delicate doing. You can’t spook them too quickly. … You have to attach the new model to some of the old theories."
"It is now possible to access your brain. It is now possible to activate circuits that were undreamed of before. … There’s no limits to the creativity, and imagination, and novelty, and intelligence that can be generated by this instrument, the brain, whose function we are now realizing is to fabricate reality."
"The more you understand about the complexities of the brain, and the psychopharmeucedicals which activate it, the more cautious, the more careful, the more experimental, the more scientific you are before you rush around activating this instrument."
"The function of human life from now on is to learn how to access, to activate, to direct, manage, and control your own brain."
"It’s not the survival of the fittest. It’s the survival of the people with a sense of humor who can say, ‘Hey, look at those dinosaurs. We won’t go that way."
"You can only evolve and mutate when you can laugh at your old form and go beyond it."
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Aug 17, 2009 • 1h 27min
Podcast 193 – Alan Watts & friends “The Houseboat Summit – 1967″
Guest speakers: Alan Watts, Timothy Leary, Allen Ginsberg, Gary Snyder, and Allen Cohen
PROGRAM NOTES:
"The Houseboat Summit" was held in February 1967, and has been documented in several places on the Web. In addition to the quotes below, which are from this podcast, you can read a more complete transcript of this historic meeting here.
"I think that, thus far, the genius of this kind of underground that we’re talking about is that it has no leadership." -Alan Watts
"What we need to realize is that there can be, shall we say, a movement, a stirring among people, which can be organically designed instead of politically designed." -Alan Watts
"My historical reading of the situation is that these great monolithic empires developed, Rome, Turkey, and so forth, and they always break down when enough people, and it’s always the young, the creative, and minority groups drop out and go back to a tribal form." -Timothy Leary
"Our educational system in its entirety does nothing to give us any kind of material competence. In other words, we don’t learn how to cook, how to make clothes, how to build houses, how to make love, or to do any of the absolutely fundamental things of life." -Alan Watts
"That society is strong and viable which recognizes its own provisionality." -
"And so when the essential idea of love is lost there comes talk of fidelity. Actually, the only possible basis for two beings, male and female, to relate to each other is to grant each other total freedom." -Alan Watts
"Increasingly, we’re developing all kinds of systems for verifying reality by echoing it." -
"Drop out of the public schools. The public schools cannot be compromised with." -Timothy Leary
"What are we saying when we say now, something is holy? That means you should take a different attitude to what you are doing than if you were, for example, doing it for kicks." -Alan Watts
"Half the things I’ve done are wrong, mistakes [unintelligible]. The moratorium on pot and LSD a year ago is ridiculous. I shouldn’t have done that. I make a blunder at least one out of two times I come to bat." -Timothy Leary
"In other words, when there is a game going on that’s on a collision course, and that this game obviously is going to lead to total destruction, the only way of getting people out of a bad game is to indicate that the game is no longer interesting. See, we’ve left this game and it bores us." -Alan Watts, February 1967
"I would agree to change the slogan to
‘Drop out. Turn on. Drop in.’ " -Timothy Leary
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Matt Muirhead’s e(n)tymology

Jul 24, 2009 • 1h 35min
Podcast 192 – Timothy Leary “Live at the Stone – 1987″
Guest speaker: Dr. Timothy Leary
[NOTE: All quotations are by Dr. Timothy Leary.]
"So to me, that Summer of Love [1967] was kind of a coming out party, a coming of age party, of the first wave, the first year of the baby boom [when the first boomers turned 21]."
"It’s kind of interesting that the military, and the police, and these bureaucrats, they live in a germ-free society. They live in shells of bureaucratic boot kissing."
"I’m very much against addicts and drug fuck-ups."
"At those moments in human history where it’s time for our species to confront a new reality, whether it’s going from four foot to two foot, or it’s to make love face-to-face or whatever, there’s a certain breed of human beings in every gene pool who come along at that time and make us feel comfortable. They explain, they personalize, they popularize what’s really happening. Now you know who these people are. They are the artists, the musicians, the playwrights, the poets, the myth makers, the wizards, the jugglers, the story tellers, the crazed scientist, the mischievous physicist, you know who they are. In every epic of human history these people come along."
"So finally we catch on, it’s the governments that cause all the fuck-ups."
"It doesn’t do any good to think for yourself if you don’t know how to think."
"They say, never mind about politics or economics or religion, it’s language that controls society and that controls the individual. And who controls the language controls everything. … If you control the language, and the technology of the language, you control the mind."
"The personal computer allows you to do exactly what these French philosophers say we gotta do, control your own screen."
"The real message I get from the 20th century is learn how to be cyber-hip."
"Literacy my friends is the oppressive chains of the educated middle class."
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More Timothy Leary Recordings (MP3 Format)
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Superintelligence Seminar – Recorded 5/19/85 TAPE 1
Superintelligence Seminar – Recorded 5/19/85 TAPE 2
Superintelligence Seminar – Recorded 5/19/85 TAPE 3
The Sordid Story of a DEA Informant
Halperngate (PDF)
by Jon Hanna
Halperngate II (PDF)
by John Beresford, M.D.
The Bad Shaman Meets the Wayward Doc (PDF)
by Erik Davis

Jul 17, 2009 • 1h 37min
Podcast 191 – “The Ethnobotany of Shamanism” Part 5
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
"It seems to me that right under the surface of human neurological organization is a mode shift of some sort that would make language beholdable."
"This is in fact what shamanism is all about, what the end of history is all about, what psychedelic drugs are all about, we are edge-walking on an ontological transformation of what it means to be human."
"It’s a relationship [ingesting mushrooms] like to a crusty Zen master, or something like that. And it is really like another entity because you cannot predict the answers."
"I said [to the mushroom], ‘What are you doing on this planet?’, and it said, ‘You’re a mushroom, you live cheap.’ "
"To my mind this is what shamanic training must really be, is mnemonic training. If you want to bring the stuff back you have to train yourself to bring it back."
"One thing that these Buddhists have certainly gotten right is that attention to attention is the key to taking control of your mental life."
"Memory training is great psychedelic training."
"There’s something in the Western mind that gets very nervous when you try to talk about the bedrock of ontology."
" ‘Drugs’ and psychedelics are not two members of a family, they are antithetically opposed to each other. The pro-psychedelic position is an anti-drug position."
"Alcoholism isn’t a disease. It’s a failure of self-image."
"I can’t think of a society on Earth where people don’t take drugs
that any of us would want anything to do with."
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Jul 8, 2009 • 1h 26min
Podcast 190 – “The Ethnobotany of Shamanism” Part 4
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna].
"Ayahuasca, in a way, is somehow more open to suggestion. These other things have their own agenda. Ayahuasca will work with you."
"The possibility seems to be that what we call styles, or what we call motifs, are actually categories in the unconscious." [Also see The Art of Steven Rooke.]
"Is there a necessary succession in style, or are these things pure chance?"
"Obviously, it’s some kind of freely commanded modality in the psyche with which we can have a relationship if we will but evolve a control language and a dialogue. And it remains mysterious."
"The psychedelic experience is the beginning of the spiritual path. That’s why it’s not important that yogas’ claim that they can deliver you the psychedelic experience, because it begins with the psychedelic experience, and then you go from there."
"Once you come face-to-face with these psychedelics, the trail ends. You have found the answer. … Now the question is, ‘What the hell do you do with it?’ "
"Once you have the psychedelic tool in hand then some real choices have to be made."
"It puts people who are into this psychedelic thing in an entirely different stance from all other spiritual seekers, because all other spiritual seekers are furiously seeking. Psychedelic people are holding it back with all their power, because they are IN the presence of the Mystery. And then the trick is to get a spigot on it so that it can be turned on and off rather than coming at you like a tidal wave a mile high and twenty miles wide."
"What the churches are peddling is high abstraction, and you really have to work yourself up into a lather to be able to accept that as worthy of that kind of attention. The psychedelic subset of society is into an experience, and it’s accessible."
"The race isn’t to the swift. It’s to the thoughtful."
"There will be difficult moments in a five-gram [mushroom] trip, but on the other hand certain questions will be solved forever for you, because you will validate the existence of this dimension. You will see what your relationship to it is."
"This is a general comment that you should take a committed dose of whatever it is you’re taking so that there is no ambiguity, because there’s nothing worse than a sub-threshold psychedelic experience."
"On ketemine you can get so out there that it is a major intellectual breakthrough to realize that you’re on a drug."
"At the interface of the sayable and the unsayable [in a psychedelic experience] is the novel, the new, the never before seen, said or done. And that’s what I think it’s important to try and bring out, ideas. Because I think we are the animals that bring back ideas."
"Human populations that do not have contact with the psychedelic tremendum are neurotic because they are male ego dominated."
"One way of assessing the toxicity of a drug is how do you feel the next day?"
"If you eat before you sleep after a trip, it won’t be nearly so hard a come-down."
"DMT is the most powerful hallucinogen there is. If it gets stronger than that I don’t want to know about it."
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Eddy Lepp’s personal Web site
Free Eddy Lepp (the song)

Jul 1, 2009 • 1h 41min
Podcast 189 – “The Ethnobotany of Shamanism” Part 3
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.>
"Think about this for a moment, we grow so inured to these religious forms, think about the notion of instituting at the center of your religion a rite where you eat your god. ... [This] is probably a memory of a relationship to some kind of a psychedelic experience of some sort."
"I think institutions will inevitably substitute a rite or a ritual for the authentic, for the real McCoy, because then priests can control the pipeline to god, and the parishioner can approach with offerings. But if everybody can have a pipeline to deity, why then the whole priest scam is put out of business."
"Buddhism is a heresy on Hinduism."
"The whole of the Amazonian narcotic complex, as it’s called in the old literature, is based on activation of DMT by one strategy or another."
"I really think there is a very large distinction between synthetic and naturally occurring drugs. … I think that these plants ‘take people’ as much as people take the plants. … When you take one of these ancient, ancient hallucinogens you are locking in to the morphogenic fields of all the people who ever took it."
"All psychedelic explorers should be aware of the concept of what is called a cognitive hallucination. The is a much more insidious phenomenon. This is, quite simply, an out-and-out delusion."
"People are concrescences of ambiguity."
"I think the sitter should be there only if there’s a three dimensional emergency."
"I have never felt that the primary use of these things [psychedelic medicines] was to cure what is called in modern parlance neurosis, what I call unhappiness. It isn’t for that."
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Links mentioned in this podcast
Burning Man Poster Contest
Oracle Gathering in 2009
Symbiosis Gathering in 2009
Burning Man Guidelines for First Timers
What to and not-to bring to Burning Man