
Out Of Office: A Travel Podcast
Out of Office is a travel podcast hosted by us, Ryan Davis and Kiernan Schmitt. From early childhood, we were each infected with a serious case of wanderlust (among other things.)
We define travel broadly, from local day trips to high-flyin’ overseas adventures. Every episode, we dig into one topic—ranging from the serious to the silly, the practical to the outlandish—and give advice on how to get out there and explore the world.
Latest episodes

Aug 1, 2023 • 47min
America’s Favorite Tourist Attractions, Based on Millions of Reviews
This week, the boys discuss the viral article on the most popular tourist attractions in the United States from HawaiianIslands.com with Brittany Mendez. Listen to find out why they both may end up in an asylum. Check out the article and maps here: https://hawaiianislands.com/blog/favorite-american-tourist-attraction/ Things We Talked About In Today’s Episode: Ryan on Overcoming The Divide: https://overcomethedivide.buzzsprout.com/1217318/13192884-the-democratic-primaries-media-strategy-with-ryan-j-davis https://smokymountains.com/fall-foliage-map/ https://floridapanhandle.com/shark-attack-data/ https://floridapanhandle.com/blog/the-most-and-least-expensive-vacation-destinations-around-the-world-and-states/ The Last Stop: Ryan: Ends August 13 https://www.nyhistory.org/exhibitions/under-cover-leyendecker-and-american-masculinity Kiernan: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/07/23/metro/behind-maine-flag-debate-an-identity-crisis/?s_campaign=breakingnews:newsletter

Jul 18, 2023 • 45min
The Case for Travel
On this episode of “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” the boys debate a recent New Yorker article arguing against travel! Things we talk about in this week’s episode: The Case Against Travel https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/the-case-against-travel Icon of the Seas https://www.insider.com/royal-caribbean-icon-of-the-seas-images-freaks-people-out-2023-7?amp Wes Anderson sites https://www.travelandleisureasia.com/global/destinations/wes-anderson-movie-filming-locations-you-can-visit/amp/

Jul 4, 2023 • 53min
Denali National Park
On this week’s episode, Kiernan takes us deep into the wilds of Alaska to visit one of the greats: Denali National Park. He talks us through sled dog training, why “Mount McKinley” happened, and a set of skulls that tell the tale of an epic battle to the death. Things we talk about in this week’s episode: Denali National Park https://www.nps.gov/dena/index.htm “Denali or Mount McKinley” https://www.nps.gov/dena/learn/historyculture/denali-origins.htm#:~:text=Prospectors%20all%20along%20the%20Yukon,1897%20New%20York%20Sun%20article Denali Sled Dogs https://www.nps.gov/dena/planyourvisit/meet-the-sled-dogs.htm “South Park” saves Denver restaurant https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/06/us/casa-bonita-restaurant.html A Frequent Flier Hero https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/23/united-airlines-very-frequent-flyer/

Jun 20, 2023 • 47min
Detroit 101
On this week’s episode, Ryan and Kiernan head to Motor City to talk Motown, Coney dogs, and Diego Rivera. Ryan also sits down with Melody Baetens, The Detroit News' restaurant critic, to discuss her favorite dining spots and live music venues in town. Get revved up for your first trip to Detroit! Things we talk about in this week’s episode: Melody at The Detroit News: https://www.detroitnews.com/entertainment/dining-bars/ Melody on Twitter: https://twitter.com/melodybaetens Train from Bogota to Salt Cathedral: https://www.turistren.com.co/en/?page_id=7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Cathedral_of_Zipaquir%C3%A1

Jun 6, 2023 • 52min
North America’s 50 Best Bars
On this week’s episode, Ryan sits down with Mark Sansom, Content Director for North America’s 50 Best Bars, to talk about this year’s 50 Best Bars in North America list. Plus, Ryan and Kiernan share some of their favorite bars that didn’t make the list. Things we talk about in this week’s episode: North America’s 50 Best Bars: https://www.worlds50bestbars.com/northamerica/ The World’s 50 Best Restaurants Main Website: https://www.theworlds50best.com/ World’s 50 Best Discovery Search Tool: https://www.theworlds50best.com/discovery/ The Last Stop: Ryan: https://www.hudsonriverrail.com/ Kiernan: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/magazine/first-class-ethics.html

May 23, 2023 • 56min
First Trip to London
On this week’s episode, the boys right a major wrong: in over 150 episodes, they’ve never done an episode on London for first-timers! England’s capital city can be overwhelming—world-class museums on every corner, historically significant architecture left and right, churches and zoos and gardens and parks and theater and libraries! What is a tourist with limited time to do?? This episode tells you. Things we talk about in this week’s episode: Obscure Musuems of London Episode https://outofofficepod.com/podcast/episode-141-obscure-museums-of-london-part-1-return-trip/ River Thames https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-long-and-winding-history-of-the-thames-139049496/ Handy Guide to Neighborhoods of London https://www.huffpost.com/entry/48-london-neighborhoods-a-quick-reference-guide_b_7557148 Planning your public transportation https://tfl.gov.uk/maps_/tfl-go Taxis and “The Knowledge” (NYer article was behind a paywall so here is a NYT) https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/t-magazine/london-taxi-test-knowledge.html Westminster Abbey https://www.westminster-abbey.org/ Saint Paul’s https://www.stpauls.co.uk/ Houses of Parliament https://www.parliament.uk/visiting/ Tower of London https://www.hrp.org.uk/tower-of-london/ Buckingham Palace and Changing of the Guard https://www.visitlondon.com/things-to-do/event/8725947-changing-the-guard Hampton Court Palace https://www.hrp.org.uk/hampton-court-palace/#gs.ysui4s Shakespeare’s Globe https://www.shakespearesglobe.com/ West End https://officiallondontheatre.com/london-west-end-guide/ British Museum https://www.britishmuseum.org/ Tate Modern https://www.tate.org.uk/visit/tate-modern Tate Britain https://www.tate.org.uk/visit/tate-britain Victoria and Albert https://www.vam.ac.uk/ V&A David story https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/the-story-of-michelangelos-david Natural History Museum https://www.nhm.ac.uk/ Churchill War Rooms https://winstonchurchill.org/visit/churchill-war-rooms/ British Library https://www.bl.uk/discovering-our-collections John Soane Museum https://www.soane.org/ Trafalgar Square https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafalgar_Square Piccadilly Circus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccadilly_Circus Hyde Park https://www.royalparks.org.uk/parks/hyde-park Kew Gardens https://www.kew.org/kew-gardens/visit-kew-gardens We love Rick Steves’s London guide for first-timers and, for those who are looking to get way off the beaten path, Jonglez Publishing’s “Secret London.”

May 9, 2023 • 44min
We Design an Airport
On this episode of “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” the show turns 150! The boys reminisce, compare themselves to Sisyphus, and talk about their deep airport feelings.

Apr 25, 2023 • 1h 1min
Quito, Ecuador
In this episode of "Out of Office: A Travel Podcast," get ready for some high-altitude exploration as Ryan takes us to Quito! Learn about Simon Bolivar's significant other (who was both a lover and a fighter) and discover what qualifies as a tree worm. For more information on the places and experiences discussed in the podcast, check out the following links: Vanishing Postcards podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/vanishing-postcards/id1544610020 Historic Quito (UNESCO World Heritage Site): https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/2/ Plaza de la Independencia (Plaza Granda) Basílica del Voto Nacional Basilica and Convent of San Francisco El Panecillo + Virgen de Quito Telefériqo - Quito: https://teleferico.com.ec/ Manuela Sáenz Museum: https://museo-manuela-saenz.negocio.site/ Guayasamín Museum: https://guayasamin.org.ec/ Mitad del Mundo Museo Templo del Sol Pintor Cristobal Ortega Maila Restaurants: Rincón de Francia Somos (featuring Chef Alejandra Espinoza) -Chontacuro (tree worm) dish: https://travelislife.org/chontacuro-eat-live-worms/ Urko Last Stop: Ryan shares a study that shows the farther you wander, the happier you'll be (https://entrylevelrebel.medium.com/new-study-the-farther-you-wander-the-happier-you-will-be-7fbfafa556f), while Kiernan suggests checking out the WPA murals at United States post offices (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_post_office_murals).

Apr 12, 2023 • 37min
Glamping with Kevin Ferguson
On this week’s episode of “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” Kiernan speaks with glamping entrepreneur Kevin Ferguson, cofounder of Starlight Haven, a luxury hospitality company focused on lesser-known natural wonders in the American South. Things we talk about on this week’s episode: Starlight Haven www.visitstarlight.com Kevin Ferguson https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinferguson2/ Hot Springs National Park https://www.nps.gov/hosp/index.htm

Mar 28, 2023 • 53min
Congaree National Park
On this week’s episode, Kiernan takes us to one of the least populated (and most atmospheric!) national parks: Congaree in South Carolina. Bald cypress knees and abandoned gin stills await! Plus, Kiernan says something CRITICAL about RICK STEVES. Things we talk about in this week’s episode: Rick Steves in “Travel & Leisure” https://www.travelandleisure.com/rick-steves-tips-to-avoid-common-travel-issues-7367914 Congaree National Park https://www.nps.gov/cong/index.htm Bald Cypress Trees https://www.nwf.org/Educational-Resources/Wildlife-Guide/Plants-and-Fungi/Bald-Cypress Harry Hampton https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_R._E._Hampton Friends of Congaree Swamp https://friendsofcongaree.org/location/bluff-trail-guide/ Eisenberg’s LIVES! (As S&P Lunch) https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/11/21/playful-nostalgia-and-honed-classics-at-sp-lunch