Disorder

Jason Pack & Evergreen Podcasts
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Jul 30, 2024 • 50min

Ep58. Part 1: Will the Burgeoning Bioeconomy be a force for Order or for Disorder?

Advanced biotechnologies like CRISPR and gene drives could reshape our world, but they come with significant risks. The discussion highlights both the potential to eradicate diseases like malaria and the fear of unintended consequences, including new pandemics. A debate unfolds between embracing bold innovations and learning from past mistakes. The podcast critiques global governance in light of recent crises, advocating for a framework of mutual responsibility to effectively tackle interconnected challenges like climate change and public health.
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Jul 25, 2024 • 49min

Ep57. Tunisia’s Postponed Presidential elections

Tunisia's opposition presidential candidate, Olfa Hamdi, discusses the country's upcoming elections, communism's resurgence, and foreign policy alignment with Russia and China. They delve into the impact of Europe's migration strategy on moral authority and power struggles in the Tunisian economy. The podcast highlights geopolitical dynamics and the importance of global cooperation for stability in Tunisia.
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Jul 22, 2024 • 46min

Ep56. Nothing became his presidency like the leaving of it

46th President Biden's voluntary power exit discussed in-depth, contrasted to historical leaders. Topics include the Republican National Convention, J.D. Vance as Trump's VP choice, and Dems crafting a new narrative amidst global disorder.
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Jul 18, 2024 • 35min

Ep55. NATO Summit 2024 – Did it help Order the Disorder?

Jane Kinninmont discusses the recent NATO Summit, focusing on Trump-proofing NATO and the lack of attention on the Israel-Gaza conflict. Experts share insights on Ukraine, US influence, and NATO's approach to the Middle East. The summit emphasized unity, Southern partnerships, and the performance of political leaders.
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Jul 16, 2024 • 33min

Ep54. If you come for the King, best not miss

Discussions on the assassination attempt on Trump, its historical significance, and impact on the election. Analysis of betting markets favoring Trump after the incident. Exploration of the messianic narratives around Trump and potential hagiography. Reflections on political instincts, polarization, and the power of narratives in shaping political outcomes.
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Jul 11, 2024 • 40min

Ep53. NATOs 75th Summit – Where the real Ordering happens?

NATO is the longest lasting and most successful military alliance in human history. Today NATOs 75th Summit in Washington, DC comes to a close. What can NATO’s past tell us about  its probably future?   To commemorate this symbolic occasion, Jason is joined by Peter Apps. He is the author of ‘Deterring Armageddon: A Biography of NATO’, a global defence columnist for Reuters, and a British Army reservist. He has reported from more than 20 countries over two decades, despite being paralyzed in a frontline car crash in Sri Lanka in 2006.   Jason and Peter discuss: Lord Ismay’s dictum; how has the Ukraine war affected the alliance?; how important are personalities to the alliance and how it works?; and how can NATO’s history, institutional biography, and legacy of diplomatic flexibility shed some light on how it might respond to the unprecedented challenges around it — from the rise of the far right in National Rally in France, the AfD in Germany, to the spectre of Trump — and the challenges posed to NATO by Putin, Xi, climate change, AI, and misinformation.  Twitter: @DisorderShow  Subscribe to our Substack: https://natoandtheged.substack.com/   Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/   Producer: George McDonagh Exec Producer: Neil Fearn  Show Notes Links  Peter’s book Deterring Armageddon: A Biography of NATO: the "astonishingly fine history" of the world's most successful military alliance https://www.amazon.co.uk/Deterring-Armageddon-Biography-astonishingly-successful/dp/103540575X   Listen to Disorder Ep6. NATO: A Model for Ordering the Disorder? with Kori Shacke, Timothy Garton Ash, Jamie Shea and Charles Kupchan: https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/9472a8b7d262dd9fb0cd9827e8947964   About the NATO Defense College Foundation: https://www.natofoundation.org/about-us  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Jul 8, 2024 • 60min

Ep52. Suburban Lib Dem Mums and Centrist Starmer Dads take back control

‘The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light; and they that dwell in the land of the shadow of Brexit, upon them hath the light shined.’ (Isaiah 9, v.2 with only one word changed) In retrospect, the melodies and lyrics of Handel’s Messiah appear quite appropriate for this most non-Messianic of Messiahs, the man of our moment, Sir Keir.  Therefore, despite Alex and Jason’s fear about the large Reform vote and their trepidation about Biden’s remaining in the US Presidential race, they still make time to ‘Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice Greatly’ because British democracy does work. It operates via a system of checks and balances -- where every action causes a counter reaction, and every Sunak Rwanda scheme, Truss tanking of the economy, and Boris-y lie elicits a shift in public opinion.  Despite the positive news of Britian’s Independence from Neo-Populists, the Enduring Disorder still prevails in many corners of these resplendent Isles. Jason tells of his undercover ethnographic field trip to Clacton-on-Sea, where he discovers that Reform are actually just the UK branch of the MAGA movement. Jason and Alex debate if: 1) Britain is in a phase of post-populism or proto-populism; 2) if the wave has crested or if Britain is just at an earlier stage in development than France or the USA; 3) What we can extrapolate about how the British electorate’s protest votes over Gaza or immigration bode for the American election; and 4) the power of the anti-system and anti-incumbency pressures and how these two factors might be the big difference btw the British and American elections -- as in the US both anti-system and anti-incumbency tendencies are working for the Republicans and against the Dems, whereas in the July 4 UK election the anti-system vote worked against the Tories and for Reform while the anti-incumbency vote worked for the Tories and against Labour.  Twitter: @DisorderShow  Subscribe to our Substack to get a recent clip of Jason on Al Jazeera English talking about Sir Keir’s approach to Gaza: https://natoandtheged.substack.com/   Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/   Producer: George McDonagh Exec Producer: Neil Fearn  Show Notes Links  Oh Baby What a Night, the Two Matts on the Rise of the Lib Dems and Starmer’s flawless mastery of the first past the post system: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-two-matts/id1236139906?i=1000661232273   Read The Lammy Doctrine https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2024/06/david-lammy-doctrine-interview-jason-cowley?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email   Listen to an potted biography of Sir Keir’s personal, professional, and intellectual journey: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/origin-story/id1624704966?i=1000660203835   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Jul 2, 2024 • 44min

Ep51. UK Elections: A lone bright spot for global Order?

Political analysts Jason Pack and Alex Hall Hall discuss UK Election Campaign strategies, potential Starmer government relations with EU, and impacts on US-UK relations. They explore the global influence of UK politicians and the significance of the upcoming UK elections on the global order.
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Jun 28, 2024 • 34min

Ep50. The Emperor has no clothes - Biden’s disorderly debate performance

The podcast delves into the aftermath of Biden's unprepared debate performance, discussing potential replacements and global implications. European perspectives on the Democratic Party and concerns surrounding Biden's administration are explored. The perception of American democracy abroad and the future of Democratic leadership are also discussed, focusing on potential candidates and the impact of identity politics.
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Jun 28, 2024 • 50min

Ep49. Did WWI start our era of Disorder?

Delving into the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914, the podcast explores how it ignited a chain of events leading to global disorder. It discusses the motivations of key figures like Gavrilo Princip, reflecting on individual actions shaping history and society. The episode delves into accountability, transparency, and the transformative nature of war on power dynamics, highlighting the significance of shedding light on opaque systems for promoting responsibility.

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