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Excess Returns
Excess Returns is dedicated to making you a better long-term investor and making complex investing topics understandable. Join Jack Forehand, Justin Carbonneau and Matt Zeigler as they sit down with some of the most interesting names in finance to discuss topics like macroeconomics, value investing, factor investing, and more. Subscribe to learn along with us.
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Sep 25, 2025 • 57min
Finding the Next Great Tech Compounders | John Tinsman
In this discussion, John Tinsman, the portfolio manager of the AOT Growth and Innovation ETF, shares insights from his investing journey, focusing on low marginal cost businesses. He emphasizes the transformative power of AI in enhancing profitability and software development. John explains the concept of digital toll booths as a future model for software, and he contrasts today’s profitable tech firms with the dot-com era. He also shares his strategies for portfolio construction, advocating for large-cap growth technology as a sustainable investment choice.

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Sep 22, 2025 • 1h 22min
Finding Decade-Long Compounders with Joseph Shaposhnik
In this engaging discussion, Joseph Shaposhnik, founder of Rainwater Equity and former TCW portfolio manager, reveals his investment philosophy emphasizing recurring-revenue businesses and the importance of management quality. He shares insights on learning from legends like Warren Buffett and Bill Miller, while dissecting red flags in management practices. Joseph also dives into the rationale for maintaining concentrated portfolios, disciplined selling strategies, and the impact of passive investing in today’s market. A must-listen for aspiring investors!

Sep 20, 2025 • 1h 26min
The Average Return That Never Comes | Sam Ro on 10 Stock Market Truths Investors Get Wrong
Sam Ro, a financial writer and author of '10 Stock Market Truths,' joins the discussion to challenge common market misconceptions. He highlights why long-term investing triumphs over short-term volatility and debunks the myth of average returns. Ro emphasizes the significance of earnings as a key driver of stock prices and warns about unrecognized risks. He also explores the dual nature of AI in markets and clarifies that stock market trends don't always reflect the broader economy. Tune in for valuable insights to navigate today's market!

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Sep 17, 2025 • 56min
Exceptionalism Is Ending. New Winners Are Rising | Olga Bitel on the $2 Trillion Opportunity
In this discussion, Olga Bitel, a global strategist at William Blair, shares insights from her innovative "Perpetual Growth Machine" framework. She highlights how solving problems drives growth and warns that monopolies can stifle innovation. The conversation covers the massive potential of AI, challenges of housing affordability, and the dynamics of Europe’s defense investments. Bitel emphasizes that U.S. exceptionalism is fading, suggesting that the most lucrative opportunities may now lie beyond American markets.

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Sep 15, 2025 • 60min
Bull Market on Borrowed Time | Ned Davis Chief Strategist Tim Hayes on the Indicators That Matter
Tim Hayes, Chief Global Investment Strategist at Ned Davis Research, offers insights into market dynamics. He unpacks the 360° weight-of-the-evidence framework, explaining the interplay between price, sentiment, macro factors, and valuation. Hayes discusses the current secular bull market amidst rising bear risks and underscores the significance of real breadth vs. dead-cat bounces. He also explores the shifting stock-bond correlation, mega-cap concentration risk, and why gold remains pivotal for investors. His core advice is to stay objective and flexible in asset allocation.

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Sep 12, 2025 • 1h 4min
Brent Donnelly on the Fed, Inflation, and Why 2% No Longer Matters
Brent Donnelly, a veteran trader and president of Spectra Markets, shares his deep insights into macro trading and risk management. He discusses how the Fed's increasing political influence complicates monetary policy and the implications for inflation targeting, questioning the relevance of the 2% benchmark. Brent emphasizes the importance of flexibility in trade structuring, particularly with gold and TLT options. He also highlights how AI and LLMs are revolutionizing trading strategies and market analysis, underscoring humility and adaptability in the ever-changing landscape.

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Sep 10, 2025 • 1h 7min
Cullen Roche on Inflation, AI and Why the Debt Crisis is Overblown
Cullen Roche, founder of Discipline Funds and a macroeconomic expert, shares insights on various economic dynamics. He discusses why fears of a debt crisis may be exaggerated, highlights disinflationary pressures shaping the U.S. economy, and explores the Federal Reserve's challenges amid high inflation. Cullen examines the transformative role of AI in productivity and job markets, along with the impacts of demographics and immigration. His innovative 'defined duration' investment strategy offers a fresh perspective on asset allocation.

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Sep 7, 2025 • 1h 5min
This Hasn't Happened Since 1930 | Eric Pachman on Why the Labor Market is Lying to You
Eric Pachman from Bancreek Capital, an expert at blending data, economics, and investing, shares his transformative journey from corporate roles at Morgan Stanley and ExxonMobil to pioneering healthcare transparency. He discusses alarming labor market trends, revealing how healthcare dominates job growth while other sectors decline. Pachman emphasizes the power of information theory in investing and the implications of immigration on labor forces and inflation. His insights urge a rethink of data-driven investment strategies for navigating today’s complexities.

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Sep 3, 2025 • 52min
Cole Smead on Deficits, Inflation, and the Erosion of Earnings Quality in Technology Stocks
Cole Smead, Portfolio Manager at Smead Capital Management, offers sharp insights into the complexities of today’s markets. He discusses the dangers of fiscal largesse and inflation while challenging the myth of American exceptionalism. There's a deep dive into earnings quality, revealing troubling trends among U.S. corporations, and an analysis of passive investing's effects on market dynamics. Smead also contrasts the current AI boom to historical manias, emphasizing lessons from Buffett and Munger about evaluating companies and understanding investment risks.

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Aug 31, 2025 • 58min
31 Years of Lessons: Northwestern Mutual CIO Brent Schutte on Markets, Cycles, and Diversification
Brent Schutte, the CIO of Northwestern Mutual, shares his extensive investing insights gained over 30 years. He discusses the dual mandates of the Fed, emphasizing the significance of inflation and unemployment. Brent highlights how tariffs are reshaping economic dynamics and the concentration risks posed by dominant market players. He reflects on lessons from past financial cycles and underscores the critical importance of diversification in today’s uncertain landscape, advocating for a cautious approach to both active and passive investing strategies.


