

Learning Uncut
Michelle Ockers
Learning Uncut is about real conversations around real learning solutions and real experiences with real advice from real people.
We’re all about keeping it “real.”
Here’s an overview of our approach:
Strategy and tactics. We want to unpack the strategy and how-to’s of creating great learning solutions, frameworks and teams.
CONVERSATIONS, NOT SCRIPTED DISCUSSION
Our podcasts are professional but not so edited and polished that they lose their authenticity. We want our audience to hear real people having real conversations and sharing real examples and advice.
PROGRESSIVE
We want to showcase the “unsung L&D heroes” out there doing great work, being brave and trying new things.
PRACTICAL
We invite our guests to share tips and strategies to help listeners take their solutions to the next level. We aim to provide actionable takeaways for our listeners through show notes, links and downloads wherever possible.
We’re all about keeping it “real.”
Here’s an overview of our approach:
Strategy and tactics. We want to unpack the strategy and how-to’s of creating great learning solutions, frameworks and teams.
CONVERSATIONS, NOT SCRIPTED DISCUSSION
Our podcasts are professional but not so edited and polished that they lose their authenticity. We want our audience to hear real people having real conversations and sharing real examples and advice.
PROGRESSIVE
We want to showcase the “unsung L&D heroes” out there doing great work, being brave and trying new things.
PRACTICAL
We invite our guests to share tips and strategies to help listeners take their solutions to the next level. We aim to provide actionable takeaways for our listeners through show notes, links and downloads wherever possible.
Episodes
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Jul 18, 2022 • 1h 1min
105: Coaching at Kathmandu – Kelly Hopkins
Kelly Hopkins joins us from Kathmandu to discuss how his small L&D team has taken big strides to support learning for their workforce of 1,800 people, many of whom are frontline staff in retail outlets. The most important element of their learning strategy is coaching, which they’ve enabled not only with technology but also with smart analog resources that are easy and effective to use in their retail workplace. Kelly describes what learning looked like when he joined the organisation almost seven years ago and how they’ve patiently and consistently built and embedded coaching into work. Host: Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/105/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series

Jul 4, 2022 • 1h 6min
104: Whiria te Tāngata (Weaving Maori culture into learning strategy) – Claudia Faletolu
In Episode 103 we spoke with Zoe Freeman about the Waka Kotahi New Zealand Transport Agency organisational learning strategy, titled ‘Becoming a Learning Organisation.’ She mentioned that she had worked closely with Claudia Faletolu, Kaitohutohu Mātua, Āheitanga Māori (Māori Strategy Advisor) in the Centre for Learning and Development at Waka Kotahi. Claudia joins us to discuss how Te Ao Māori (Māori world view) was deeply woven into this learning strategy. Host: Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/104/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series

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Jun 20, 2022 • 1h 4min
103: Becoming a Learning Organisation – Zoe Freeman
Becoming A Learning Organisation is the title of the Waka Kotahi New Zealand Transport Agency’s learning strategy. Their learning strategy is their roadmap to becoming a high-performing learning organisation. Zoe Freeman, the Strategic Advisor in the Centre for Learning and Development, discusses how the strategy was created. Key aspects of their approach include deep engagement across the organisation, deliberate preparation of the L&D team, and being informed by Māori worldview. The result is a learning strategy that was created with the organisation, for the organisation and owned by the organisation. Host: Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/103/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/

Jun 6, 2022 • 49min
102: Taking Action on Reconciliation (D&I) – Ian Crowhurst and Brigitte BinAwel
In the spirit of reconciliation Learning Uncut acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of Country throughout Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay our respect to their elders past and present. Reconciliation is an important issue and piece of unfinished business in Australia. It is about strengthening relationships between Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and non-Indigenous peoples, for the benefit of all. In this episode we will hear about how Origin has been taking action on reconciliation since 2015. I’m joined by Brigitte Bin Awel who is a specialist consultant in Diversity and Inclusion at Origin, and Ian Crowhurst, the Head of Learning and Development and Talent for Origin. They introduce us to their Reconciliation Action Plan and the contribution of learning and development to building cultural awareness in support of their reconciliation efforts. Host: Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/102/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/

May 23, 2022 • 55min
101: Leadership Development for a Different Future – Helen Sedcole
Helen Sedcole, the Chief People and Culture officer at Z Energy, discuss how they are approaching leadership and leadership development for a different future. There is no pushing people through standard modules and declaring that they are ‘done.’ Rather leadership development is seen as continuous process that it is part of everyone’s work to take responsibility for and engage within the context of their work. It’s timely that I speak with Helen this week as it coincides with the L&D Innovation and Tech Fest in Auckland on 8-9 June 2022. This conference runs alongside the HR Innovation and Tech Fest. One ticket gets you into both. This is a really well curated conference, with several think tanks run every year with People and HR professionals to understand what challenges they face and what they really want to discover and learn about. Helen is one of a number of excellent speakers, many of whom are sharing case studies about experiences and solutions they’ve been undertaking on aspects of that we are grappling with in the People and Capability areas – such as diversity and inclusions, belonging and connection, wellbeing, and leadership. Host: Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/101/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/

May 9, 2022 • 1h 7min
100: Celebrating 100 episodes: Five Powerful L&D Insights – Michelle Ockers
Today’s episode marks the milestone of Learning Uncut’s 100th episode. Nigel Paine joins us to mark this special milestone. He has a short conversation with our regular host, Michelle Ockers, about how she finds stories and guests, and puts the podcast together. The first episode came out on the 12th of June 2018. Four years later, we’ve had 118 guests who have willingly talked about their work in L&D in their organisations. Thank you to every one of those guests, as well as the listeners from over 115 countries who make it worthwhile to continue sharing stories on Learning Uncut. Michelle has personally selected a collation of excerpts from guests on five key themes that are important to L&D right now: Learning Strategy Business Value for L&D Data for L&D Live Online Learning Environments Communities of Practice Host: Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/100/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/

Apr 25, 2022 • 51min
99: Building Frontline Capability 5 Minutes at a Time – Lil Ryan and James Stack
Lil Ryan from Anglicare SA and James Stack from Obvious Choice discuss the use of a mobile learning app by frontline workers in the aged care sector. This story is an excellent example for those who are interested in using evidence informed approaches from learning science to improve the effectiveness of learning solutions in their organisation. The app used spaced repetition and retrieval practice to build the confidence and knowledge of aged care workers supporting residential dementia care patients. Host: Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/99/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/

Apr 11, 2022 • 57min
98: Peer Learning: Working Out Loud – Katharina Krentz & John Stepper
John Stepper and Katharina Krentz discuss the peer learning approach called Working Out Loud in the context of remote working during the pandemic. They explore the impact of the pandemic on work and digitalization, the origins and early stages of the grassroots movement, building a community, the role of mentors, creating a safe inner circle, and embracing working out loud for personal and professional growth.

Mar 28, 2022 • 58min
97: Leadership Development in Covid Times - Peta Pocock
In this episode of Learning Uncut I speak with Peta Pocock about how leadership development has changed at the Australian Bureau of Statistics since the start of the pandemic. The shift to remote work gave their L&D team to the opportunity to innovate. This is an archetypal story of learning innovation during covid times. Host: Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/97/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series

Mar 14, 2022 • 56min
96: All In! Oceania Women’s Football Development – Emma Evans and Annie Kennedy
Emma Evans, the Oceania Women’s Football Manager and Annie Kennedy from Capability Group discuss the Oceania Women’s Football Development capacity building program. While this development program preceded the Oceania Women’s Football Strategy, it’s one of a series of initiatives that is giving women more opportunities in the game and is using football as a tool for social change across eleven Pacific nations. The program supports Womens Development Officers in each country to develop their leadership and life skills, build their self-confidence and connect with each other, providing support as they grow a local team and build women’s participation in football in their country different roles. Along the way participants find their voice and gain a sense of permission to create change. Host: Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/96/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/