8th Layer Insights

On this episode Perry sits down with Dr. Matthew Canham to explore ways in which AI can be weaponized against us, and how age old social engineering tactics can be used to trick large language models. Guest:Dr. Matthew Canham (LinkedIn) (Website)Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): Cognitive Security Institute YouTube Channel Cognitive Security Institute website YouTube video: BlackHat Presentation -- Me and My Evil Digital Twin: The Psychology of Human Exploitation by AI Assistants YouTube video: NEW AI Jailbreak Method SHATTERS GPT4, Claude, Gemini, LLaMA Not with a Bug, But with a Sticker: Attacks on Machine Learning Systems and What To Do About Them, by Ram Shankar Siva Kumar & Hyrum Anderson Six Thinking Hats, the de Bono Group Six Thinking Hats: Looking at Decision in Different Ways, MindTools AI + Six Thinking Hats, LifeArchitect.ai 8Li Season 4, episode 10: Artificial Intelligence Insights & Oddities Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits:Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode Perry sits down with Jeremy Treadwell, a people-first technologist and futurist, to get the lowdown on how a futurist approaches the world. Guest:Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter)Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): YouTube Video: What UX/UI Taught Me about Improving Security Awareness [SANS Security Awareness Summit 2022], Jeremy Treadwell YouTube Video: Reimagine the Future of Data, Privacy + Security with Technologist Jeremy Treadwell The Institute for the Future website Four Questions to Turn Everyone in Your Company Into a Futurist, FastCompany article How Does a Futurist See the Future, LinkedIn Article by Jacob Morgan The Black Swan: Second Edition: The Impact of the Highly Improbable: With a new section: "On Robustness and Fragility", by Nassim Nicholas Taleb The Gray Rhino: How to Recognize and Act on the Obvious Dangers We Ignore, by Michele Wucker William Gibson’s Future Is Now, Pagan Kennedy, the New York Times 8Li Season 1, episode 8: The Risk Episode: Black Swans, Grey Rhinos, Angels & Demons Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits:Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to season 5 of 8th Layer Insights!To celebrate Valentine's Day, Perry sits down with Emmy winning reporter Kerry Tomlinson to talk about the time she turned the tables on a romance scammer. Guest:Kerry Tomlinson (LinkedIn) (Website) (YouTube)Books and References: YouTube video: Inside a romance scam: how to make a catfisher sing YouTube video: Scammers are stealing people's faces for live video calls National Cybersecurity Alliance : Online Romance and Dating Scams National Cybersecurity Alliance : Romance Scams Resource Kit Federal Trade Commission: Romance scammers’ favorite lies exposed Know Your Meme: On the Internet, Nobody Knows You're A Dog ‘NOBODY KNOWS YOU’RE A DOG’: As iconic Internet cartoon turns 20, creator Peter Steiner knows the joke rings as relevant as ever Wikipedia: On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits:Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode, Perry celebrates the one year birthday of ChatGPT by taking a look at AI from technological, philosophical, and folkloric perspectives. We see how AI was formed based on human words and works, and how it can now shape the future of human legend and belief.Guests: Brandon Karpf, Vice President at N2K Networks (LinkedIn) (Website) Dr. Lynne S. McNeill, Associate Professor at Utah State University (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Dr. John Laudun, Professor at University of Louisiana at Lafayette (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Lev Gorelov, Research Director at Handshake Consulting (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website) Resources Interview with the AI, part one, by the Brandon Karpf / the CyberWire 'Hard Fork': An Interview With Sam Altman, by The New York Times The Exciting, Perilous Journey Toward AGI, Ilya Sutskever TED Talk Ilya: the AI scientist shaping the world, by The Guardian Meet Loab, the AI Art Woman Haunting the Internet: Is she a demon? A Cryptid? Or nothing at all..., the Guardian In 2016, Microsoft’s Racist Chatbot Revealed the Dangers of Online Conversation The bot learned language from people on Twitter—but it also learned values, IEEE Spectrum Perry's Digital Folklore episode about AI Handshake's Generative AI Masterclass on Maven Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news.Production Credits:Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Let's face it. Most of us have a love/hate relationship with technology and technological advances. We dream about the new thing... but when it arrives, we are usually a little disappointed. Many of us also lament the constant erosion of privacy, the changes in social norms, and more. And, little-by-little, we allow those aspects of new technology to make us numb. We accept the cognitive dissonance of not totally being happy with the trade-offs; yet we still make the trade.In this episode, we explore a few of the positives and some of the unintended consequences associated with recent technological advancements. We'll hear from Dr. Lydia, Kostopoulos, Dr. Charles Chaffin, Andra Zaharia, and Aaron Barr.Guests: Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos (LinkedIn) (Website) Dr. Charles Chaffin (LinkedIn) (Website) Andra Zaharia (LinkedIn) (Website) Aaron Barr (LinkedIn) (Website) Books and Resources: IEEE Article: Decoupling Human Characteristics from Algorithmic Capabilities by Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos Numb: How the Information Age Dulls Our Senses and How We Can Get them Back by Dr. Charles Chaffin (Amazon Associate Links) The Numb Podcast by Dr. Charles Chaffin The Cyber Empathy Podcast by Andra Zaharia Reminder: Your 'smart AI' often involves a low-paid contractor surveilling you How creepy is your smart speaker? Newton's Laws of Motion Unintended Consequences Elon Musk's warning regarding AI Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter (Amazon Associate Link) Everything is Alive podcast by PRX and Radiotopia Production Credits:Additional voice talent provided by Kristina Leigh.Additional research by Nyla Gennaoui.Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: hello [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Perry sits down with cybersecurity expert Rick Howard to delve into the concept of 'First Principles' in cybersecurity. They discuss the importance of risk decision-making, threat modeling, and tabletop exercises, as well as the use of Bayes algorithm in cybersecurity risk forecasting. The chapter also highlights the Cybersecurity Canon Project and emphasizes the need for organizations to maximize existing technology before considering new investments.

If you’ve been listening to this show for a while, you’ll know that we’ve touched on the topic of Open Source Intelligence (otherwise known as OSINT) several times. It is an area of information security that penetration testing that’s been getting quite a bit of attention over the past several years. When you think about the digital world we live in, where we have a proliferation of personal, organizational, and governmental data on the internet...and the simple fact that data likes to leak…we can safely predict that OSINT investigation techniques will continue to be in demand.On this episode, Perry sits down with Rae Baker. Rae is the author of the book Deep Dive: Exploring the Real-world Value of Open Source Intelligence, which was released in April of this year from Wiley publishing. In this discussion with Rae, you’ll hear a bit about her career pivot to OSINT specialist from being a graphic designer, how creativity fuels her job, advice for aspiring cybersecurity and OSINT professionals, and a lot more. Guest:Rae Baker (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)Books and References: Deep Dive: Exploring the Real-world Value of Open Source Intelligence, by Rae Baker (Amazon Associate link) Kase Scenarios: https://kasescenarios.com/ The OSINT Curious project TraceLabs YouTube Playlist from the 2022 SANS OSINT Summit YouTube video by The Cyber Mentor: Learn OSINT in 4.5 Hours Lockheed Martin Cyber Kill-Chain: https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/cyber/cyber-kill-chain.html Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits:Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Perry Carpenter & Dr. Jessica Barker present their joint session, "Conversational Security Awareness" at the SANS Managing Human Risk Summit. ... and stay tuned after the presentation for a quick conversation between Perry, Jessica, and Lance Spitzner (SANS) as they discuss themes from this year's event.Guests: Dr. Jessica Barker (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Lance Spitzner (LinkedIn) (Twitter) Additional Resources: Jessica Barker's great blog post summarizing this session Jessica Barker's 2020 RSA Keynote Related 8Li Episodes: 8Li S1 E9: Security ABCs Part 1: Make Awareness Transformational 8Li S1 E10: Security ABCs Part 2: 8th Layer Insights and the Quest for Security Culture 8Li S2 E10: The Next Evolution of Security Awareness 8Li S4 E3: Carrots, Sticks, and Culture: The Art and Science of Social Signaling 8Li S4 E5: We are the Champions 8Li S4 E6: Blending Awareness, Social Engineering, and Physical Penetration Testing -- A Conversation with Jayson E. Street Relevant Books (Amazon Associate Links) Confident Cyber Security: How to Get Started in Cyber Security and Futureproof Your Career, by Jessica Barker Cybersecurity ABCs: Delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change by Jessica Barker, Adrian Davis, Bruce Hallas, & Ciarán Mc Mahon Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work, by Uri Gneezy Security Awareness Program Builder: Practical guidelines for building your Information Security Awareness Program & prep guide for the Security Awareness and Culture Professional (SACP)™ by Mark Majewski Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits:Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: hello [at] 8thLayerInsights [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today's show, Perry sits down with Jayson E. Street to discuss his unique blend of social engineering, physical penetration testing, and security awareness. Jayson refers to this as being trained by a simulated adversary. At the heart of Jayson's method is intense boldness in his approach to social engineering and penetration testing coupled with an equally intense passion for helping his clients and their employees improve their overall security posture and mindsets. It's about education rather than exploitation.Guest: Jayson E. Street (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)YouTube videos of Jayson 2022 Saintcon: Hacker Striptease Tomorrow Unlocked: Penetration tester Jayson E. Street helps banks by hacking them Risks & Reels: Who's a Hacker? Jasyon's book (Amazon Associate link) Dissecting the Hack: The V3rb0t3n NetworkPerry's Books (Amazon Associate links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news. Season 2 starts September 4, 2023.Production Credits:Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey all! I'm at BlackHat and Defcon this week. If you're there, track me down. I'd love to meet you!This week's episode is an encore of one of my favorites. My interview with James Linton (a.k.a. The Email Prankster). In 2017, James went on a virtual joyride exploiting the ways that people interact with emails. One of the most interesting things about James' story is that his exploits didn't rely on any type of highly technical method(s); they were simple display name deceptions. But that didn't stop him from fooling CEOs from some of the worlds largest banks, celebrities, and high ranking staff members in the White House.James' success using these simple methods serves as a warning for us all. We don't fall for scams because they are technically sophisticated or because we are stupid. We fall for scams because we are human.Guest: James Linton (LinkedIn) (Website)Books and Resources: Anatomy Of An Email Impersonation Spree: Who Got Pranked And Why An email prankster is hitting the CEOs of the world's biggest banks How to Prank the Rich and Powerful Without Really Trying Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman falls for email prank This Man Pranked Eric Trump And Harvey Weinstein — Now He Just Wants A Job Media Coverage YouTube Playlist James Linton -- Wikipedia Entry The Journal of Best Practices: A Memoir of Marriage, Asperger Syndrome, and One Man's Quest to Be a Better Husband by David Finch Perry -- Interview on Springbrook's Converge Autism Radio Perry -- Security Weekly Interview Perry Carpenter - The Aspies Guide to Social Engineering - DEF CON 27 Social Engineering Village Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits:Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: hello [at] 8thLayerInsights [dot] com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices