

The Way Out Is In
Plum Village
This podcast series is aimed at helping us to transcend our fear and anger so that we can be more engaged in the world in a way that develops love and compassion.
Thich Nhat Hanh’s calligraphy ‘The Way Out Is In” highlights that the way out of any difficulty is to look deeply within, gain insights and then put them into practice.
"The Way Out is In" is co-hosted by Brother Phap Huu, Thich Nhat Hanh's personal attendant for 17 years and the abbot of Plum Village's Upper Hamlet, and Jo Confino, who works at the intersection of personal transformation and systems change.
The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App and Global Optimism, with support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation.
Thich Nhat Hanh’s calligraphy ‘The Way Out Is In” highlights that the way out of any difficulty is to look deeply within, gain insights and then put them into practice.
"The Way Out is In" is co-hosted by Brother Phap Huu, Thich Nhat Hanh's personal attendant for 17 years and the abbot of Plum Village's Upper Hamlet, and Jo Confino, who works at the intersection of personal transformation and systems change.
The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App and Global Optimism, with support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation.
Episodes
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11 snips
Oct 24, 2024 • 1h 19min
Being with Busyness Q&A, Part One (Episode #77)
This engaging discussion tackles the whirlwind of modern busyness and the quest for mindfulness. It delves into the power of embracing boredom as a transformative tool for creativity. Listeners learn about the struggles of managing technology while seeking genuine connections. The hosts address workplace toxicity and the importance of personal agency in finding wellness. They also explore generational healing and how our past influences the present. Ultimately, it’s about finding stillness in a fast-paced world.

Oct 10, 2024 • 1h 60min
The Four Types of Food for Healthy Growth (Episode #76)
This conversation dives into the Four Nutriments from Buddhist teachings, offering fresh insights on mindful consumption. The hosts explore how our food choices impact personal and collective happiness. They discuss the emotional connections to food and the importance of gratitude in our diets. Insights on navigating identity in a media-driven world highlight the roles of mindfulness and self-acceptance. The power of volition in leadership and community support emerges as a major theme alongside the journey of courage and collective healing.

Sep 26, 2024 • 1h 33min
Bridging Being and Doing (Episode #75)
Dive into a thought-provoking discussion on the balance of being and doing in our fast-paced world. The speakers explore mindfulness versus productivity, emphasizing the power of presence and interconnectedness. They challenge the idea that self-worth relies on constant activity, advocating for 'lazy days' to nurture inner peace. The podcast also highlights the transformative role of mindfulness in daily life and community dynamics, urging listeners to embrace authentic connections and emotional growth.

Sep 12, 2024 • 2h 2min
Mindful Economics: In Conversation with Kate Raworth (Episode #74)
Kate Raworth, creator of Doughnut Economics, dives into innovative economic thinking that prioritizes human needs within planetary limits. She discusses the synergy between her concepts and Buddhist teachings on interconnectedness, emphasizing the importance of community in fostering sustainable practices. Raworth shares insights from her experiences at a Plum Village retreat, reflecting on the transformative power of identity and collective action. With anecdotes from her journey, she inspires listeners to embrace authentic communities and redefine economic success.

Aug 22, 2024 • 1h 27min
Being with Painful Feelings (Episode #73)
Brother Phap Huu, a Zen Buddhist monk, and Jo Confino, a leadership coach and journalist, dive deep into the nature of painful feelings. They discuss Buddhist practices for embracing and transforming suffering, emphasizing mindfulness as a path to personal growth. Personal narratives are explored, showcasing how our stories shape perceptions and foster forgiveness. The conversation highlights the vital connection between individual healing and communal well-being, alongside practical techniques for self-compassion. It concludes with a transformative guided meditation.

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Aug 1, 2024 • 1h 21min
Finding a Spiritual Path (Episode #72)
Brother Phap Huu, a Zen Buddhist monk, and Jo Confino, a leadership coach and journalist, dive deep into the nuances of finding a spiritual path. They discuss how community support and personal experiences shape one's spiritual journey. The conversation touches on the necessity of feeling at home in spiritual practices and the importance of embracing discomfort for true growth. They also emphasize bringing spirituality into daily life and the transformative power of meditation, ending with a guided session that fosters mindfulness and presence.

Jul 11, 2024 • 1h 24min
Ancient Path for Modern Times: Feeling Safe (Episode #71)
In this podcast, a panel discusses feeling safe, belonging, and finding home in the world. They explore healing the past, challenging worldviews, building resilience, and more. The conversation touches on community, localization, misinformation, and embracing diverse perspectives.

Jun 28, 2024 • 1h 38min
Ancient Path for Modern Times: Active Nonviolence (Episode #70)
Panel discussion on mindfulness trainings, nonviolence in activism, and facing anger and burnout. Insights on engaged Buddhism, sanghas in activism, victim-perpetrator dynamic, and spiritual dimension of change. Emphasis on personal transformation, community support, systemic change, conflict resolution, and presence in a distracted society.

May 16, 2024 • 1h 24min
Happy Farmers Change the World (Episode #69)
Jo Confino, leadership coach/journalist, discusses the art of land regeneration and happy farming with Mick McEvoy and Sister Trang Lam Hy. They touch on Zen philosophies, seasonal planting, mindfulness in farming, collective awakening, empathy for our food, and the importance of growing vegetables. The conversation highlights the intersection of Zen Buddhism with land regeneration and the nobility of the farmer, emphasizing care for the Earth and producing food in times of crisis.

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May 2, 2024 • 1h 27min
Showing Up at Work (Episode #68)
Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino discuss Right Livelihood in Buddhism, finding joy and connection at work, balancing ego and compassion, and being present while planning for the future. The conversation includes insights on aligning work with values, healing emotional wounds, embracing joy in the journey of work, and practicing mindfulness in the workplace. The episode ends with a guided meditation by Brother Phap Huu.