

The Systemic Way
Sezer and Julie
This podcast gives the listener an opportunity to hear conversations with people from the field of systemic psychotherapy. Host Sezer and Julie, two systemic and family psychotherapists, discuss a wide range of topics, theories, practices and experiences with their guests, giving the listener an insight into this disciplines contribution to social change.Artwork by Arai Drake Creative: http://www.araidrake.com/portfolio/thesystemicway/Music by Rena PaidWe are now being supported by the Association of Family Therapy (AFT).
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Jan 21, 2023 • 1h 20min
CMM with Vernon Cronen: A life in communications and meaning making.
In this episode Professor Vernon Cronen shares his journey in developing CMM. Professor Cronen talks about his relationship with Barnet Pearce, introducing the ideas in the UK and the current developments of CMM theory and practice. Vernon weaves his experiences with stories from his life giving us a colourful and intricate walk through his relationship with CMM. Prof. Vernon Cronen has been a member of the faculty of the University of Massachusetts, Department of Communication since 1970. He was for many years Senior Consultant at the KCC Foundation (Kensington Consultation Centre, London). He is also an Associate of CMM Institute for Personal and Social Evolution. Professor Cronen is best known for his work on the communication theory Coordinated Management of Meaning which he co-authored with Barnett Pearce. He has lectured and presented workshop in many places in the US and through Europe. Vernon Cronen is Co-author with Barnett Pearce of the book Communication, Action and Meaning: The Creation of Social realities . Cronen describes CMM as a “practical theory” that can also be put to critical purposes. As a practical theory it provides a grammar of action for joining with others to create new possibilities for joint action. He is author or co-author of numerous articles and book chapters in communication, psychology, and consultation.

Dec 18, 2022 • 1h 5min
Just Therapy - sacred stories, belonging and social justice as guides for liberating practice: In conversation with Carol Halliwell
In this episode we meet with Consultant systemic psychotherapist Carol Halliwell as she shares her personal and professional connections with the Just Therapy team at the Family Centre in New Zealand.We explore the Just Therapy approach and hear how the guiding principles that underpin their work has influenced and guided Carol's practice for over 20 years.

Dec 10, 2022 • 1h 28min
Using Genograms: A Systemic Therapeutic Tool. In conversation with Monica McGoldrick
In this episode we meet with the one and only Monica McGoldrick as she takes us through her career and journey in using family genograms in her clinical work. We hear how Monica has developed her ideas throughout the years and the use of symbols, patterns and the importance of exploring life cycles. This is a unique opportunity of hearing a master therapist share her insights into the application of this integral tool in systemic family therapy. Monica McGoldrick, MSW, PhD (h.c.), Director of the Multicultural Family InstituteTeacher, author and family therapist. She has an international reputation as a trainer and author. She is on the Clinical Faculty of the Psychiatry Department of the Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. Her books include Ethnicity and Family Therapy (3rd ed), The Expanded Family Life Cycle (5th ed. 2017), Genograms (3rd ed), Living Beyond Loss (2nd ed), Re-Visioning Family Therapy: Race, Culture and Gender in Clinical Practice (2nd ed), Women in Families, and The Genogram Journey: Reconnecting with Your Family (2nd ed of You Can Go Home Again, 2011). Her newest book the Genogram Casebook was published by W.W. Norton in 2016. She is also the author of a number of clinical videos available through www.psychotherapy.net.See more of Monica's work at:https://multiculturalfamily.org

Nov 20, 2022 • 1h 5min
The Mother & Daughter Puzzle - Attachment, history mapping and the impact of societal and generational stories: In conversation with Rosjke Hasseldine
In this episode we discuss the mother and daughter relationship with Rosjke Hasseldine. Rosjke has spent almost 30 years working therapeutically with mothers and daughters and researching the factors that contribute to the complexity of this relationship. Rosjke has trained over1000 therapists and coaches from 20 different countries in her Mother-Daughter Attachment training.In this conversation, Rosjke some of her experiences, therapeutic interventions and the model she has developed (the mother and daughter attachment model) which is a very important contribution to this often ignored area of clinical research. Find out more about Rosjke;'s work at https://www.rosjke.com

Nov 6, 2022 • 1h 8min
Systemic Supervision: Improvisation, Creativity and the use of Metaphors with Karen Partridge
In this episode we talk with systemic psychotherapist, supervisor and trainer Karen Partridge about the role of creativity and improvisation in systemic supervision. Karen takes us on a journey of metaphors through "swampy lowlands", "constructive awkwardness", "positioning compass" and her "rememberall".Karen shares her ideas of connecting to our creative selves and how to embrace it within the supervision process.

Oct 29, 2022 • 1h 32min
AFT conference 2022 - Reflections, appreciations and resonances - Old Wisdoms and New Truths.
Welcome back after a short summer break.In this episode we reflect on the wonderful AFT 2022 Conference entitled: Transgenerational stories of hope across cultures; old wisdoms and new truths which was host by the West Yorkshire AFT at the Queens Hotel in Leeds.We share our reflections, highlights and the experience of the conference and also speak to attendees, presenters and organisers about their favourite moments and what the conference meant to them.Massive thank you for everyone who took their time to speak with us and in this episode we feature:Carole HuntHugh PalmerPaul WaltonDiane Holdsworth Kevin SimmonsDiane MorrisonMichaela Wickham-HillsMarian DixonHannah SherberskyApologies for those we spoke with at the conference but could not include due to some audio issues.

Sep 10, 2022 • 1h 17min
Stories Lived and Stories Told: Discussing the legacy and documentary film of the KCC
In this episode we meet with the filmmakers of the documentary film "KCC Stories Lived and Stories Told" which was premiered at the AFT conference 2021. We meet with the creators, Rick Murphy, Helen Mahaffey, Ayesha Aslam, Mark Chidgey and Karen Partridge as they share their reflections on key moments from the film, their thoughts on making the film and their memories of the KCC and what it means to them. We invite you to all watch the film (if you haven't already) and share in reflecting about the memory and legacy of the KCC.You can watch the full film here:https://youtu.be/j48EfTVsJooPlease do share with us your reflections, memories and thoughts about the KCC, the documentary and this episode at https://www.instagram.com/thesystemicway/

Aug 20, 2022 • 1h 16min
Discovering The Mythical Land of Ireland's Fifth Province - With Dr Imelda McCarthy
Dr Imelda McCarthy PhD. joins us to share the story, development and practice of the Fifth Province. Imelda talk with us about how the Fifth Province evolved within the context of Ireland, the wider systemic community and the connections it has with spirituality. She gives us examples of using the myth in practice and how the model invites space into the therapy room. We also hear about thematic diamonds and to work with oppositional positions. Dr Imelda McCarthy, PhD. is a systemic/social constructionist therapist, supervisor and consultant. She has affiliations with School of Applied Social Science at University College Dublin where she was a director of the PhD program in families and systemic therapies and a senior university lecturer. She currently works in private practice while she teaches and consults nationally and internationally. Imelda is also affiliated with Kensington Consultation Centre (London, UK), is on the faculty of the TAOS institute PhD programme. She has written and presented both nationally and internationally in over 20 countries on the topics of Women, Child Sexualised Abuse, Poverty and Spirituality and Therapy. From 1981 – 1995 Imelda was a member of a clinical team, the Fifth Province Associates whose work along with her own has been translated into eight languages. She is also a co-founder of the Irish Family Therapy Association and Ireland’s first professional training programme in family therapy at the Mater Misericordiae Hospital in Dublin.Check out Imelda's website:www.imeldamccarthy.com

Aug 17, 2022 • 1h 48min
The Systemic Lens Episode 1: The Wizard of Oz and Systemic Stories of Gender, Power and the Discovery of Self Through Relational Means
Introducing our new podcast adventure - The Systemic Lens. We are a group of systemic therapist with a love for film, TV, music, literature and theatre and will be using systemic theory to share our reflections, thoughts and resonances on some our our favourites. Through these podcast we hope to expand the bounds of systemic application and offer alternative forms of analysis to film, TV, Music, literature etc. We also hope to provide new ways for people to connect with systemic ideas.We begin with an a systemic exploration of the classic Wizard of Oz and discuss issues of gender, power and the discovery of self through relationships. Enjoy.

Jul 30, 2022 • 59min
The 1.5 Order Position: An exploration of "knowing" and "not-knowing" in therapy with Ged Smith.
In this episode we talk with Dr Ged Smith about his ideas on taking a 1.5 order position in therapy. Ged introduces us to the meaning of the 1.5 order position and shows us ways to operate within and between first and second order positions from his own experience. In this podcast we discuss the therapeutic conundrums and tensions between the therapists position as expert and collaborator; having certainty and exploring and knowing and not-knowing.


