

On Humans
Ilari Mäkelä
Where do we come from? What brings us together? Why do we love? Why do we destroy?
On Humans features conversations with leading scholars about human nature, human condition, and the human journey. From the origins of war to the psychology of love, each topic brings fresh insights into perennial questions about our self-understanding.
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Focus areas: Anthropology, Psychology, Archaeology, Philosophy, Big History
On Humans features conversations with leading scholars about human nature, human condition, and the human journey. From the origins of war to the psychology of love, each topic brings fresh insights into perennial questions about our self-understanding.
Support: Patreon.com/OnHumans
Articles: OnHumans.Substack.com
Focus areas: Anthropology, Psychology, Archaeology, Philosophy, Big History
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Dec 10, 2022 • 1h 16min
What Can Science Tell Us About Happiness? ~ Anna Alexandrova
Philosopher of science, Anna Alexandrova, discusses the science of happiness, including what happiness questionnaires measure, the Easterlin paradox, diverse measures of happiness, and the validity of the World Happiness Report. The podcast also explores the role of experts in society and the crisis of expertise.

Dec 3, 2022 • 41min
Do Dogs Feel Love & Other Questions in Animal Neuroscience ~ Gregory Berns
What is it like to be a non-human animal? Can neuroscience tell us the answer?In one of the most famous philosophy essays of the 20th century, Thomas Nagel suggested that we can never use science to know what it is like to be another animal, say, a bat. Neuroscience can describe bat physiology. But it can never tell us “what it is like to be a bat”.Gregory Berns is an animal neuroscientist. As you might guess, he disagrees with Nagel.Berns is a pioneer in using fMRI scanning on dogs (who in his lab, participate voluntarily). And Berns believes that studying the dog brain can tell us what it is like to be a dog - or at least, give us a hint.In this discussion, Ilari and Prof Berns discuss: Do dogs love their owners? The origins and findings of the Dog Project. Would Nagel actually disagree with Berns’ conclusions? Is attributing human emotions to dogs a form of anthropomorphism? The Panksepp vs Barrett debate in affective neuroscience: Are emotions hardwired to our brain? Or are they dependent on concepts and language? Animal welfare and speciesism: Are some species "special" in relevant ways? How do Prof Berns and Ilari approach the issue of animal welfare in their diets?Names mentioned Rene Descartes (French philosopher, 1596-1650) Thomas Nagel (20th Century, 1937-) Jeremy Bentham (British philosopher & utilitarian, 1748-1832) Jaak Panksepp (Estonian-American neuroscientist, 1943-2017) Lisa Feldman Barrett (American neuroscientist, 1963-) Hal Hertzhog (anthrozoologist)Technical terms mentioned fMRI (brain scanning technology) PET (brain scanning technology) Chemotaxis Claustrum Brain stemExtra points Get in touch: email makela.ilari@outlook.com or form https://on-humans.podcastpage.io/contact Ilari’s bonus recommendation (not a paid promotion): Gourmet-level insect foods from YumBug https://www.yumbug.com/shop

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Nov 19, 2022 • 1h 14min
Is War Natural For Humans? ~ Douglas P. Fry
Douglas P. Fry, an anthropologist and expert on the origins of war, challenges the notion that conflict is innate to humans. He discusses the archaeological evidence for war's recent development, arguing that many hunter-gatherers are actually peaceful. Fry critiques misleading narratives about historical violence, comparing modern assumptions with ancient data. He also reflects on the complexities of aggression in mammals, particularly in relation to human nature and societal structure, advocating for a nuanced understanding of conflict.

Nov 12, 2022 • 42min
Psychology of Love & Hate ~ Robert Sternberg
We often treat love as a single emotion. But simple questions like “how much do you love me?” can be misleading. Love is not a single dimension. It is a multitude. To really understand romantic bonds, a more nuanced vocabulary is needed.Robert Sternberg is famous for creating such vocabulary.Sternberg is a professor at Cornell University, where he teaches legendary classes on topics like intelligence (beyond IQ), wisdom, creativity, and of course, love and hate. But he is more than your average psychology professor: he is the 2nd most cited psychologist alive.*In this discussion, Sternberg joins Ilari and his co-host, Blake Robertson, to discuss the elements of love and hate, and how to use these insights to create a better world.Names & technical terms mentioned John Bowlby’s attachment theory Gardner’s theory of multiple intelligences Alison Gopnik (quoted from conversation with Ezra Klein) Agatha Christie Joan Crawford Anthony Ray Hinton, the author of The Sun Does Shine Henry Hays, the only KKK member in the 20th Century to suffer capital punishment due to lynchings by the KKK. References The Triangular Theory of Love (1986 paper) Triangular Theory Tested in 25 Countries (2021 paper) LoveMultiverse.com (website by Karin & Robert Sternberg) Dutton & Aron high bridge -experiment (1974 paper) Nature of Hate (book by Robert Sternberg & Karin Sternberg)* After Martin Seligman, excluding neuroscientists and behavioural economists. Based on Google Scholar profiles in November 2022.

Nov 5, 2022 • 51min
Are Grandmothers the Key to Our Evolutionary Success? ~ Kristen Hawkes
Humans live long, much longer than any of our closest relatives. For human females, this means living a large part of adulthood without being able to produce new offspring. This is an evolutionary puzzle. Indeed, menopause is exceedingly rare in the animal kingdom, typical only in humans and some species of whales.Kristen Hawkes has a theory to explain this puzzle. Hawkes is an evolutionary anthropologist, best known for her pioneering role around the so-called “grandmother hypothesis”.In this episode, Ilari and Professor Hawkes discuss two aspects of the grandmother hypothesis. First, why would humans have evolved to survive menopause? And second, why is this a big deal? What were the cascading changes that surviving the menopause arguably triggered?The conversation touches upon many topics, such as: Grandmother hypothesis: the basics Rapid birth intervals in humans Pair bonding and romantic partnerships Role of fathers (and grandfathers) Brain size and brain development The “social appetite” in humans Humans vs chimpanzees: why are humans less competitive and more cooperative Climate changes and human originsTechnical terms & ethnic groups mentioned The Hadza (Tanzania) The Ache (Paraguay) Pliocene (5.3 million – 2.6 million years ago) Australopithecus (Wikipedia) Altricial (undeveloped, immature) vs precocial (well-matured early on) (Wikipedia) Mau Mau rebellion (a 1950’s rebellion against British rule in Kenya which included systemic torture by British colonial officers, Wikipedia)Names mentioned Jane Goodall Nicholas Blurton Jones James (Jim) O’Connell Geoff Parker Richard Wrangham Sherwood Washburn Sarah Blaffer Hrdy Barbara FinlayReferences A 1998 overview of the grandmother hypothesis (by Kristen Hawkes) Calories produced by mothers and grandmothers in the Hadza (by Kristen Hawkes) Distorting Darwinism (by Ilari)

Oct 25, 2022 • 1h 7min
Psychology of Conspiracy Theories & The Limits of Science ~ Michael Shermer
Michael Shermer, a historian of science and founder of the Skeptic Society, dives into the intriguing world of conspiracy theories. He discusses the psychological allure behind beliefs like QAnon and examines how social media amplifies these ideas. Shermer highlights the importance of open dialogue and healthy skepticism while questioning if conspiracists might sometimes hold truths. Additionally, they explore the scientific basis for moral progress and the complexities of bridging beliefs in a politically charged landscape.

Oct 18, 2022 • 48min
The Harmful Delusion of a Singular Self ~ Gregory Berns
We like to box things into neat categories. We like to box ourselves into a ‘Self’, a ‘Me’, an independent ‘Soul’, caged away from the rest of the world by the bags of our skin. When something goes wrong in our mental health, we like to box the issue into neat buckets of mental health disorders and search for an answer from within this individuated cage. On the other hand, we like to think of the ‘Self’ as a solid, unified, and permanent ‘Me’, making any fundamental change to ourselves difficult.What if this is all a mistake?Today’s guest is Gregory Berns, a psychiatrist and a professor of neuroscience at Emory University. His most recent book, published today on the 18th of October, is titled 'Self Delusion: The Neuroscience of How We Invent – and Reinvent – Our Identities'. (Order the book from Basic Books or Amazon. )Ilari and professor Berns discuss topics such as: Does Berns agree with Buddha and David Hume about the illusionary nature of self? Why would a psychiatrist care about this issue? The neuroscience of how fictional stories shape who we are Dissociative identity disorder (DID, also known as multiple personality disorder, MPD) Can social pressure change what we see? Is it problematic to think of mental health problems as neat buckets? Or should we think of them on a continuum? Bern’s answer to ‘what is missing from our biological approach to mental health?’ Why does it feel right to locate the soul in the heart, rather than the brain? Internal family systems therapy (IFST)Work mentioned and other references Metaphors We Live By (George Lakoff & Mark Johnson) Bowling Alone (By Robert D. Putnam) Bern’s et al. on fiction and the brain Bern’s et al. on the neuroscience of conformity Paper on 3rd person memory & depression Technical terms and names mentioned David Hume Resting-state fMRI (Wikipedia) Dissociative Identity disorder DID (Wikipedia) Conformity & Solomon Ash’s classic studies DSM (a major diagnostic manual for mental health) Internal family system therapy (IFST, in the episode, mistakenly called internal family dynamics therapy) Cognitive behavioural therapy

Oct 13, 2022 • 40min
A Musical Biology of Love ~ Ruth Feldman
Can biology expand our appreciation of love? What is the relationship between jazz and neuroscience? What does it mean to be in "synch" with someone? Ruth Feldman is a professor of neuroscience at Reichman University, Israel, with a joint appointment at the Yale Child Story Centre. A jazz musician before being a neuroscientist, Feldman combines musical ideas of synchrony into her research on the neurobiology of attachment, bonding, and love.Ilari and professor Feldman discuss topics such as: Why study the biology of love What happens in the brain when we love Brain-to-brain synchrony: How love (and friendship) can synchronize our brains with each other Oxytocin with loved ones, strangers, and enemies Post-partum depression Parental love in gay dads Females and males as primary caregivers The relationship between brain-to-brain synchrony and oxytocin Empathy within and beyond group boundaries with Israeli and Palestinian youth Attachment theory, attachment problems, and ways to overcome themTechnical terms mentioned Oxytocin Brain oscillations (i.e. brain waves) EEG (a method to study brain oscillations) Neuropeptide Kangaroo care (after premature birth)Names mentioned Wallace Stevens (American poet) Emmanuel Levinas (French philosopher) John Bowlby (founder of the attachment theory)Other links and reference Brain-to-brain synchrony Gay dads: original research & TIME Magazine article Intervention with depressed moms Intervention with Israeli and Palestinian teenagers Ruth Feldman Lab's website

Oct 8, 2022 • 59min
Humanistic Ethics in a Darwinian World ~ Philip Kitcher
Is there a tension between biology and philosophy? Why should Homo sapiens care about ethics? What, if anything, does evolution tell us about human nature?To discuss these topics, Philip Kitcher joins your host, Ilari Mäkelä.Philip Kitcher is an emeritus professor of philosophy at Columbia University. He is the author of numerous books, such as Living With Darwin and The Ethical Project.Ilari and professor Kitcher discuss topics such as:01.35: Kitcher's theory of morality as a social technology designed to solve problems resulting from the fragility of human altruism. 20.07: What is Kitcher’s argument against sociobiology / evolutionary psychology? Is it still relevant? Does evolution prove that we are all selfish?42.43: What is secular humanism? What is the value of religion? What can secular humanists learn from religion?Names mentioned David Hume, Adam Smith, Thomas Hobbes Amia Srinivasan (contemporary Oxford philosopher, see her review of Ethical Project in LRB) Bertrand Williams (late Cambridge philosopher) Stephen Jay Gould (late Harvard palaeontologist) Richard Lewontin (late Harvard biologist) E. O. Wilson (late Harvard biologist) David P. Barash (contemporary evolutionary biologist) Richard Alexander (contemporary evolutionary anthropologist) John Bowlby (late psychologist and founder of the attachment theory) Johanna Haarer (Nazi propagandist) Michael Ghiselin (evolutionary biologist, famous for the quote: “scratch an altruist and watch a hypocrite bleed”) Dan Dennett (contemporary philosopher and atheist, interviewed by Sean Carroll) Immanuel Kant (referenced from his thesis about the primacy of ethics over religion) Robert Frost (poet) Richard Dawkins (contemporary biologist and atheist) Sam Harris (contemporary writer, atheist, and podcaster) Christopher Hitchens (late journalist and atheist)Terms mentioned Consequentialism Homo querensOther work cited Siberian silver fox -experimentOther scholars to follow (Kitcher’s recommendation) Kwame Anthony Appiah Nancy Cartwright Martha Nussbaum Elizabeth Anderson Susan Neiman

Oct 1, 2022 • 1h 8min
Origins of Our Warm-Blooded Morality ~ Patricia Churchland
Why do we care for others? Why did morality evolve? Is unselfish behaviour possible in a Darwinian world? Patricia Churchland joins to discuss these topics with your host, Ilari Mäkelä.Author of Conscience: Origins of Moral Intuition, Patricia Churchland is an emerita professor of Philosophy at UC San Diego.Ilari and Professor Churchland discuss topics such as: Warm-bloodedness and morality Psychological egoism vs unselfish behaviour Neurobiology of care: Oxytocin, cannabinoids, opioids Elements of morality: How much of morality is about care, vs problem-solving, cooperation, and social learning? Churchland’s criticism of Western moral philosophy Neurophilosophy: is studying the brain all that useful? Free will: does studying the brain show that free will does not exist?Technical terms mentioned: Endothermy (i.e. warm-bloodedness) Cortex Oxytocin, vasopressin Endogenous opioids and cannabinoids Utilitarian ethics Kantian ethics (i.e. deontology) Metta meditation VitalismNames mentioned: Christophe Boesch (chimpanzee adoption) Peggy Mason (helping behaviour in rats) Sue Carter (oxytocin and stress) David Hume & Adam Smith Mencius (early Confucian philosopher) [For Ilari’s article on Mencius, see An Empirical Argument for Mencius' Theory of Human Nature] The Dalai Lama (H.H. the 14th) Simon Blackburn (contemporary Cambridge philosopher) Dan Bowling (placebo and oxytocin) Olivia Goldhill (review of Conscience for the New York Times) Lidija Haas (review of Conscience for the Harper Magazine)Other scholars to follow (Churchland’s recommendations)Topics in this interview Frans de Waal Owen FlanaganPhilosophy & neuroscience more generally Nick Lane (genetics and evolution) Ann-Sophie Barwich (neurophilosophy of smell) Gregory Berns (soon to appear on the podcast) Ned Block (philosophy of cognition)