
AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With Experts
Welcome to Wes and Dylan — where curiosity meets the cutting edge of AI. Hosted by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious, this channel dives deep into the minds shaping our future.
We interview top experts, researchers, and builders across artificial intelligence, robotics, biotech, and more to explore the breakthroughs transforming our world.
Whether it's autonomous cars, superintelligence, synthetic biology, or startup disruption, we ask the big questions—and aren’t afraid to go off-script.
If you want to understand what’s coming next (and why it matters), you’re in the right place.
Latest episodes

Jul 18, 2025 • 1h 44min
AI’s White‑Collar Shake‑Up | David Shapiro’s Deep Dive on Post‑Labor Economics
Automation is speeding toward a “post‑labor” world, and it may arrive sooner than anyone expects. Author‑researcher David Shapiro joins Dylan and Wes to test whether the AI boom is hype or a true turning point, explore what happens if 40 % of jobs vanish, and map the real timelines for farm bots, factory robots, and billions of humanoids. They tackle energy abundance, AI safety, China‑US competition, brain‑computer interfaces, and the shift from wage income to property dividends—arguing that the future hinges on democratic ownership rather than runaway doom.

Jul 18, 2025 • 1h 57min
Inside the SHADOW LAB Building the Next-Gen AI | The Team Behind Nous Research
Can we actually pause AI? Karan 4D, co‑founder & Head of Behavior at Nuos Research, argues the compute race makes “stop” a fantasy. Instead: build power openly, stitch together decentralized GPUs, and escape brittle, biased guardrails. We dig into the field’s assistant blind spot, reclaiming creative/cognitive search space, and Nuos’s Psyche stack + DRO Optimizer—tech that can train large models across scattered, idle hardware like one giant global lab. Tune in for an urgent blueprint for resilient, open AI.

Jul 15, 2025 • 1h 30min
BREAKING: Devin buys Windsurf PLUS ex-Google Director Hints at a New Type of Intelligence...
Join Joe Ternasky, a seasoned tech executive at companies like Google and Microsoft, and Jordan Thibodeau, former Google and Slack veteran, as they dive into the latest in AI and tech dynamics. They break down OpenAI's acquisition of Windsurf and discuss M&A strategies, unveiling the impact of AI on software engineering jobs. Discover insights on advancements like Grok 4, ethical AI considerations, and the competitive landscape shaping the future of technology. Their engaging banter sheds light on Silicon Valley's inner workings!

Jul 7, 2025 • 1h 6min
Sparks of AGI, Jagged Frontiers, AI forms "Internal Models" and the Dark Forest Hypothesis...
Welcome to Wes and Dylan — where curiosity meets the cutting edge of AI. Hosted by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious, this channel dives deep into the minds shaping our future. We interview top experts, researchers, and builders across artificial intelligence, robotics, biotech, and more to explore the breakthroughs transforming our world.Whether it's autonomous cars, superintelligence, synthetic biology, or startup disruption, we ask the big questions—and aren’t afraid to go off-script.If you want to understand what’s coming next (and why it matters), you’re in the right place. New episodes weekly. Long-form conversations. Unfiltered, curious, and future-focused. Subscribe and stay ahead of the curve.

Jul 3, 2025 • 1h 31min
This Former Google Director Just Revealed Everything... Self Improving AI, China, Deepseek and Why AI Coding Apps Are Worth Billions
Former M&A insider Jordan Thibodeau (Google, Slack, Salesforce) and product leader Joe Ternasky (Google, Facebook, Apple) join host Wes Roth for a no‑filter look at how Big Tech really builds (and battles over) artificial intelligence. From GPT‑4’s watershed moment to China‑driven chip geopolitics, they unpack the hype, the power plays, and the people reshaping the path to AGI.

Jul 2, 2025 • 1h 45min
Tesla's Robotaxi is Rolling Out: Here's What That Means For Google's Waymo. Plus: Self Improving AI | Dr Know-It-All (aka John) | Wes Roth & Dylan Curious
Ride shotgun in Tesla’s fully autonomous robotaxi as John from the YouTube channel Dr. Know It All AI joins hosts Wes Roth and Dylan Curious. From first‑hand FSD impressions to the prospects of humanoid delivery bots, we unpack the breakthroughs—and risks—shaping tomorrow’s transportation, biology, startups, and society.