
Outliers with Daniel Scrivner: Explore the Greatest Innovators, Founders, and Investors
Learn from history's greatest innovators, founders, and investors with a mix of interviews and summaries of the best books, essays, and lectures. Each week, Daniel Scrivner decodes the ideas, strategies, and frameworks used by the best innovators, founders, and investors. Past guests include Scott Belsky (Adobe), Gokul Rajaram (DoorDash), Kevin Kelly (WIRED), Sir Ronald Cohen (IMPACT), Erling Kagge (Everest Explorer), along with the founders of Wealthfront, Public.com, Primal Kitchen, 1-800-GOT-JUNK, Levels, and Eight Sleep. Visit OutlierAcademy.com for episode notes, searchable transcripts, videos, and more.
Outliers with Daniel Scrivner is a mix of Founders Podcast, How I Built This, Business Breakdowns, Invest Like The Best, Founder's Field Guide, 20VC (20 Minute VC), The Knowledge Project, What It Takes, and The Tim Ferriss Show.
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Sep 29, 2021 • 56min
#53 Zigg Capital: Investing in the Future of Retail and Real Estate Technology | Dave Eisenberg, Founding Partner
In Episode #53, we explore investing in the future of retail and real estate technology. We’re joined by Dave Eisenberg, Founding Partner of Zigg Capital. We cover considerations when creating the cap table, investing in talent, and the future of physical retail.
“Great founders never stop recruiting.” — Dave Eisenberg
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This episode is our definitive guide to investing in the future of retail and real estate technology. In it we cover:
(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:01:35) – Dave’s background and founding Zigg Capital
(00:12:40) – Lessons about the Chief of Staff role
(00:18:24) – A long-term view of early investments
(00:23:50) – Investing in talent
(00:27:24) – Considerations when creating the cap table
(00:30:42) – Innovations in technology for real estate, retail, and healthcare
(00:44:52) – The future of physical retail
(00:50:26) – Investing in automation
ABOUT ZIGG CAPITAL
Zigg Capital has raised over $350 million to invest in early-stage technology companies focused on real estate. Their portfolio includes incredible companies, from vertically integrated players like Procore to new retail concepts like CAMP.
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Learn timeless lessons on work and life from iconic founders, world-renown investors, and bestselling authors. Outlier Academy is the forever school for those chasing greatness. Past guests include Gokul Rajaram of DoorDash, Scott Belsky of Benchmark and Adobe, Joey Krug of Pantera Capital, Mark Sisson of Primal Kitchen, Luke Gromen of The Forest for the Trees, and Brian Scudamore of 1-800-GOT-JUNK.
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ABOUT DANIEL SCRIVNER
Outlier Academy is hosted by Daniel Scrivner. Over the last 15 years, Daniel has led design teams at Square and Apple, turned around a $3M+ ARR SaaS business, and invested in more than 100 companies. He launched Outlier Academy in 2020 to learn from the world’s best founders, investors, authors, and peak performance experts.
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Sep 29, 2021 • 16min
#54 Dave Eisenberg of Zigg Capital: My Favorite Books, Tools, Habits, and More | 20 Minute Playbook
In Episode #54, we deconstruct Dave Eisenberg's peak performance playbook—from his favorite book to the tiny habit that's had the biggest impact on his life. Dave is Founding Partner at Zigg Capital. We cover recruiting executive talent, the wisdom of Winston Churchill, and using negative feedback for growth.
“I do believe in direct feedback and specifically from a good place where you want the person to improve, it is one of the most helpful things you can do for someone.” – Dave Eisenberg
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CHAPTERS
In this episode, we deconstruct Dave Eisenberg's peak performance playbook—from his favorite book to the tiny habit that's had the biggest impact on his life. In it we cover:
(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:00:23) – Daily family time as an important habit
(00:03:28) – Favorite tools including Twitter, Superhuman, and Peloton
(00:04:28) – Recruiting executive talent and detail orientation
(00:07:16) – The wisdom of Winston Churchill
(00:09:17) – Baby Unplugged
(00:10:47) – Using negative feedback for growth
(00:13:04) – Live at the intersection of things you enjoy and things you’re good at
ABOUT DAVE EISENBERG
Dave Eisenberg is Founding Partner at Zigg Capital, a venture capital firm investing in real estate and construction technology. Before founding Zigg, Dave spent twelve years as an operator at Bonobos, TellApart, Floored, and CBRE. He started his career at Bain & Company, then moved on to found Red Swan Ventures.
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Learn timeless lessons on work and life from iconic founders, world-renown investors, and bestselling authors. Outlier Academy is the forever school for those chasing greatness. Past guests include Gokul Rajaram of DoorDash, Scott Belsky of Benchmark and Adobe, Joey Krug of Pantera Capital, Mark Sisson of Primal Kitchen, Luke Gromen of The Forest for the Trees, and Brian Scudamore of 1-800-GOT-JUNK.
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ABOUT DANIEL SCRIVNER
Outlier Academy is hosted by Daniel Scrivner. Over the last 15 years, Daniel has led design teams at Square and Apple, turned around a $3M+ ARR SaaS business, and invested in more than 100 companies. He launched Outlier Academy in 2020 to learn from the world’s best founders, investors, authors, and peak performance experts.
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Sep 22, 2021 • 52min
#51 Commonstock: Building the Investment Platform to Rule Them All | David McDonough, Founder & CEO
In Episode #51, we explore building a social platform for stocks. We’re joined by David McDonough, founder and CEO of Commonstock. We cover the future of social investing, making investing accessible to all, and the NFT movement.
“The loudest voices in the room are seldom the best investors, the people sharing the best knowledge. Sometimes the people who are the quietest are sharing some of the most interesting insights.” – David McDonough
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CHAPTERS
This episode is our definitive guide to building a social platform for stocks. In it we cover:
(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:01:35) – David’s background leading to Commonstock
(00:06:00) – Commonstock’s mission and setup
(00:10:20) – How Commonstock is serving modern investors
(00:19:13) – The future of social investing
(00:24:59) – Making investing accessible to all
(00:33:22) – The NFT movement
(00:44:22) – Lessons for new entrepreneurs
ABOUT COMMONSTOCK
Commonstock is building the data and communication layer that can sit on top of any investment account. Members can hook up everything from their crypto positions held at Coinbase, to their stock in option positions at Robinhood or Interactive Brokers, alongside things like their retirement account to get a complete picture of their assets and how that unlocks anyone to be able to share the investments they're making as transparently as they'd like while following the trades of others and learning from the smartest minds on the platform.
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Outlier Academy is hosted by Daniel Scrivner. Over the last 15 years, Daniel has led design teams at Square and Apple, turned around a $3M+ ARR SaaS business, and invested in more than 100 companies. He launched Outlier Academy in 2020 to learn from the world’s best founders, investors, authors, and peak performance experts.
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Sep 22, 2021 • 22min
#52 David McDonough of Commonstock: My Favorite Books, Tools, Habits, and More | 20 Minute Playbook
In Episode #52, we deconstruct David McDonough's peak performance playbook—from his favorite book to the tiny habit that's had the biggest impact on his life. David is the Founder and CEO of Commonstock. We cover inspiring newsletters and films, the Eisenhower matrix, and learning from rejection.
“My definition of success is impacting as many people as possible in the biggest way possible.” – David McDonough
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CHAPTERS
In this episode, we deconstruct David McDonough's peak performance playbook—from his favorite book to the tiny habit that's had the biggest impact on his life. In it we cover:
(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:00:25) – Learning about new asset classes
(00:02:22) – Nightly runs and newsletters from Axios
(00:05:23) – Using the Eisenhower matrix and Todoist for task management
(00:12:40) – Inspiration from polarizing figures and sci-fi movies
(00:15:39) – Learning from rejection and making an impact on others
ABOUT DAVID MCDONOUGH
David McDonough is Founder and CEO of Commonstock, a platform that securely connects to multiple brokerage accounts to give a social aspect to investments and empower everyday investors. He previously worked at Google in product strategy and ventures, and was an Investment Analyst at Greenspring Associates.
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Learn timeless lessons on work and life from iconic founders, world-renown investors, and bestselling authors. Outlier Academy is the forever school for those chasing greatness. Past guests include Gokul Rajaram of DoorDash, Scott Belsky of Benchmark and Adobe, Joey Krug of Pantera Capital, Mark Sisson of Primal Kitchen, Luke Gromen of The Forest for the Trees, and Brian Scudamore of 1-800-GOT-JUNK.
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ABOUT DANIEL SCRIVNER
Outlier Academy is hosted by Daniel Scrivner. Over the last 15 years, Daniel has led design teams at Square and Apple, turned around a $3M+ ARR SaaS business, and invested in more than 100 companies. He launched Outlier Academy in 2020 to learn from the world’s best founders, investors, authors, and peak performance experts.
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Sep 15, 2021 • 57min
#49 REACTIV: Lessons in Risk, Reward, and Entrepreneurship | Ryan Boykin, Founder & CEO
In Episode #49, we explore lessons in risk, reward, and entrepreneurship. We’re joined by Ryan Boykin, Founder and CEO of REACTIV. We cover building for the long-term, how Atlas Real Estate and REACTIV began, and what makes a person an entrepreneur.
“You have to start businesses with an eye towards what they will become, but also an eye towards some of the risk associated with it. And a two-miracle deal requires way too much risk, and you've got to walk away from those before you start them.” – Ryan Boykin
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This episode is our definitive guide to risk and reward in entrepreneurship. In it we cover:
(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:01:42) – Ryan’s thoughts on business as a problem solver
(00:06:44) – What makes a person an entrepreneur
(00:09:42) – How Atlas Real Estate and REACTIV began
(00:18:19) – On risk, reward, and overcoming negativity
(00:29:08) – Overcoming fear
(00:31:45) – Building for the long-term
(00:45:39) – Advice for entrepreneurs
(00:49:12) – Reflection and self-care
(00:53:16) – Entrepreneurs: just do it!
ABOUT REACTIV
Ryan Boykin is the Founder and CEO of REACTIV. In this episode, we explore how he got started investing in Detroit in the depths of the 2009 financial crisis, how he raised more than a billion dollars to invest in single family, residential homes across the US, and how he founded in scaling his latest company Reactiv in the commercial real estate space.
In this episode, you'll learn how Ryan thinks about risk and reward, including how he takes advantage of opportunities that are disguised as gut-wrenching risk, and the lessons he's learned as a serial entrepreneur, building Atlas, Archipelago, and now Reactiv, an online listing platform geared toward the commercial real estate industry. Ryan also shares his advice for entrepreneurs, including why he's building a venture back company now, after building multiple bootstrap companies.
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ABOUT DANIEL SCRIVNER
Outlier Academy is hosted by Daniel Scrivner. Over the last 15 years, Daniel has led design teams at Square and Apple, turned around a $3M+ ARR SaaS business, and invested in more than 100 companies. He launched Outlier Academy in 2020 to learn from the world’s best founders, investors, authors, and peak performance experts.
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Sep 15, 2021 • 21min
#50 Ryan Boykin of REACTIV: My Favorite Books, Tools, Habits, and More | 20 Minute Playbook
In Episode #50, we deconstruct Ryan Boykin's peak performance playbook—from his favorite book to the tiny habit that's had the biggest impact on his life. Ryan is Co-Founder and Partner at Atlas Real Estate and Co-Founder of REACTIV. We cover daily fasting, emotional intelligence, and learning from business failures.
“I don't think success is an endpoint. People say, ‘I'll have been successful when this happens.’ No, I want success to be ongoing every day, I want it to be the journey.” – Ryan Boykin
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CHAPTERS
In this episode, we deconstruct Ryan Boykin's peak performance playbook—from his favorite book to the tiny habit that's had the biggest impact on his life. In it we cover:
(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:00:29) – Daily spiritual time and fasting
(00:03:50) – Guided meditation and journaling
(00:08:59) – The power of hard work and emotional intelligence
(00:11:36) – Personal champions and favorite books
(00:14:07) – Claw your way out of business failures
(00:16:01) – Learning the right lesson
(00:17:51) – Success is not an endpoint
ABOUT RYAN BOYKIN
Ryan Boykin is Co-Founder and Partner at Atlas Real Estate, a full-service real estate firm that manages more than 3,400 units. He is also Co-Founder of REACTIV, a platform that simplifies commercial real estate transactions. Ryan has written or been featured in many publications, including Bloomberg, The Wall Street Journal, and Investopedia. He was chosen for Denver Business Journal’s 40 under 40 list in 2017.
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Learn timeless lessons on work and life from iconic founders, world-renown investors, and bestselling authors. Outlier Academy is the forever school for those chasing greatness. Past guests include Gokul Rajaram of DoorDash, Scott Belsky of Benchmark and Adobe, Joey Krug of Pantera Capital, Mark Sisson of Primal Kitchen, Luke Gromen of The Forest for the Trees, and Brian Scudamore of 1-800-GOT-JUNK.
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ABOUT DANIEL SCRIVNER
Outlier Academy is hosted by Daniel Scrivner. Over the last 15 years, Daniel has led design teams at Square and Apple, turned around a $3M+ ARR SaaS business, and invested in more than 100 companies. He launched Outlier Academy in 2020 to learn from the world’s best founders, investors, authors, and peak performance experts.
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Sep 8, 2021 • 56min
#47 Mindbloom: On Psychedelics and Democratizing Access to Psychedelic Therapy | Jack Swain, Head of Clinical Operations
In Episode #47, we explore psychedelics and democratizing access to psychedelic therapy with Jack Swain, Head of Clinical Operations at Mindbloom. We cover why Mindbloom is focused on treating depression and anxiety, Mindbloom’s treatment model and clinicians, and the importance of journaling in mental health therapy.
“The research around psychedelics is just unreal; the potential of these medicines to completely transform the way that we provide mental health care and help people who really need big changes in their life is really exciting.” – Jack Swain
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CHAPTERS
This episode is our guide to psychedelics and democratizing access to psychedelic therapy. In it we cover:
(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:01:52) – Jack’s background and intro to Mindbloom
(00:05:33) – How healthcare today is broken, and why Jack is hopeful that it will improve
(00:09:13) – What is psychedelic therapy?
(00:14:14) – Why Mindbloom is focused on treating depression and anxiety
(00:17:28) – Progress in the world of psychedelic medicine
(00:19:30) – Examples of successful treatment with Mindbloom
(00:23:11) – Mindbloom’s treatment model and clinicians
(00:31:42) – Scaling a telemedicine company
(00:40:47) – The history of psychedelic medicine
(00:48:09) – The importance of journaling in mental health therapy
(00:51:13) – The data and research coming from Mindbloom
ABOUT MINDBLOOM
Mindbloom as we explore the world of psychedelic therapy. In this episode, you'll learn why psychedelics have emerged as one of the best ways to treat anxiety and depression, how a forgotten body of research from the 1950s and '60s led to the emergence of psychedelics today, how Mindbloom scaled from a single clinical office in 2019 to a nationwide telemedicine practice through the pandemic. We talk through an average patient's journey from working with a clinician, to their guide, to journaling, to tripping at home, and we talk through why psychedelics are so effective at treating conditions ranging from generalized anxiety and depression to PTSD.
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Learn timeless lessons on work and life from iconic founders, world-renown investors, and bestselling authors. Outlier Academy is the forever school for those chasing greatness. Past guests include Gokul Rajaram of DoorDash, Scott Belsky of Benchmark and Adobe, Joey Krug of Pantera Capital, Mark Sisson of Primal Kitchen, Luke Gromen of The Forest for the Trees, and Brian Scudamore of 1-800-GOT-JUNK.
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ABOUT DANIEL SCRIVNER
Outlier Academy is hosted by Daniel Scrivner. Over the last 15 years, Daniel has led design teams at Square and Apple, turned around a $3M+ ARR SaaS business, and invested in more than 100 companies. He launched Outlier Academy in 2020 to learn from the world’s best founders, investors, authors, and peak performance experts.
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Sep 8, 2021 • 19min
#48 Jack Swain of Mindbloom: My Favorite Books, Tools, Habits, and More | 20 Minute Playbook
In Episode #48, we deconstruct Jack Swain's peak performance playbook—from his favorite book to the tiny habit that's had the biggest impact on his life. Jack is the Head of Clinical Operations at Mindbloom. We cover daily habits, being a super optimist, and focusing on true success.
“I'm a super optimist. I'm generally pretty buoyant. I see the silver lining in just about everything. Throughout life, as things have come up, I've always viewed it as, how is this a good thing versus how is this a setback?” – Jack Swain
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CHAPTERS
In this episode, we deconstruct Jack Swain's peak performance playbook—from his favorite book to the tiny habit that's had the biggest impact on his life. In it we cover:
(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:00:24) – Tending to sleep, exercise, and diet
(00:01:27) – Monthly ketamine therapy sessions
(00:03:35) – OneNote and Getting Things Done
(00:05:22) – Being a super optimist
(00:06:07) – Changing the radio station playing in your brain
(00:08:24) – Freakonomics and How to Change Your Mind
(00:10:15) – Implementing No Rules Rules
(00:13:39) – Not getting too caught on the path you think is important
(00:16:26) – Success is about relationships, impact, and joy
ABOUT JACK SWAIN
Jack Swain is Head of Clinical Operations at Mindbloom, a mental health and wellbeing company focused on psychedelic therapy. Before joining Mindbloom, Jack Swain was a healthcare consultant at The Chartis Group, where he worked with the Cleveland Clinic and Michigan Medicine.
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Learn timeless lessons on work and life from iconic founders, world-renown investors, and bestselling authors. Outlier Academy is the forever school for those chasing greatness. Past guests include Gokul Rajaram of DoorDash, Scott Belsky of Benchmark and Adobe, Joey Krug of Pantera Capital, Mark Sisson of Primal Kitchen, Luke Gromen of The Forest for the Trees, and Brian Scudamore of 1-800-GOT-JUNK.
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ABOUT DANIEL SCRIVNER
Outlier Academy is hosted by Daniel Scrivner. Over the last 15 years, Daniel has led design teams at Square and Apple, turned around a $3M+ ARR SaaS business, and invested in more than 100 companies. He launched Outlier Academy in 2020 to learn from the world’s best founders, investors, authors, and peak performance experts.
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Sep 1, 2021 • 55min
#46 Impact: Optimizing Risk, Return, and Impact in Investing | Sir Ronald Cohen, Author
In Episode #46, we explore optimizing risk, return, and impact in investing with Sir Ronald Cohen, author of Impact: Optimizing Risk, Return, and Impact in Investing. We cover the three major forces that increase gains with impact investing, how larger companies are addressing impact, and how companies can get started in making a positive impact.
“If you want to run a big successful company or a successful growth venture, you have to bring impact into your decision-making.” – Sir Ronald Cohen
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This episode is our guide to optimizing risk, return, and impact in investing . In it we cover:
(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:02:28) – Sir Ronald’s background and career in venture capital
(00:08:06) – The second and third order effects of impact investing
(00:10:38) – The three major forces that increase gains with impact investing
(00:15:41) – How we can measure a company’s impact
(00:23:01) – Why impact investing is so important right now
(00:29:46) – Early impact companies and their models
(00:37:33) – How companies can get started in making a positive impact
(00:42:18) – The future of impact investing
ABOUT IMPACT
Impact: Reshaping Capital to Drive Real Change is an incredible book about how capitalism, investing, and the goals with which they're employed need to change to focus on holistic impact rather than sheer financial gain. Here's just two quotes from the back of the book that I really love, Forbes called it “A must-read book from the godfather of impact investing”, and Bono, lead singer of U2 and co-founder of The Rise Fund wrote that “Capitalism is amoral, it's a wild beast that needs to be led.”
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Learn timeless lessons on work and life from iconic founders, world-renown investors, and bestselling authors. Outlier Academy is the forever school for those chasing greatness. Past guests include Gokul Rajaram of DoorDash, Scott Belsky of Benchmark and Adobe, Joey Krug of Pantera Capital, Mark Sisson of Primal Kitchen, Luke Gromen of The Forest for the Trees, and Brian Scudamore of 1-800-GOT-JUNK.
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ABOUT DANIEL SCRIVNER
Outlier Academy is hosted by Daniel Scrivner. Over the last 15 years, Daniel has led design teams at Square and Apple, turned around a $3M+ ARR SaaS business, and invested in more than 100 companies. He launched Outlier Academy in 2020 to learn from the world’s best founders, investors, authors, and peak performance experts.
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Aug 25, 2021 • 1h 2min
#44 The New Consumer: On The Future of Consumer Brands and What The Best Ones Get Right | Dan Frommer, Founder
In Episode #44, we explore the future of consumer brands and what the best ones get right with Dan Frommer, Founder of the New Consumer. We cover what technology can unlock for brands, how legacy brands fail to serve the consumer, and how small and direct-to-consumer brands can grow in today’s market.
“That's the lesson here: the businesses that figure out how to use technology to the best of their abilities are the ones that are going to be stronger and more resilient, no matter what happens.” – Dan Frommer
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FULL TEXT TRANSCRIPT
https://www.danielscrivner.com/notes/dan-frommer-outlier-academy-transcript
CHAPTERS
This episode is our guide to the future of consumer brands . In it we cover:
(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:02:06) – Dan’s background in journalism and technology, and how it led to The New Consumer
(00:07:42) – What technology can unlock for brands
(00:11:03) – Who is the modern consumer?
(00:14:29) – How legacy brands fail to serve the consumer, and authenticity at scale
(00:18:22) – How Target and other big brands have kept up with the modern consumer
(00:21:21) – How small and direct-to-consumer brands can grow in today’s market
(00:34:09) – On Sweetgreen’s success and branding
(00:39:25) – Why brands must embrace digital experiences to move forward
(00:41:55) – The Consumer Trends Report with Coefficient Capital
ABOUT THE DAN FROMMER AND THE NEW CONSUMER
Dan Frommer launched The New Consumer, a premium newsletter, in 2019 after more than a decade of writing for Forbes, Business Insider, Quartz, and Recode. Growing up, Dan's dad ran an advertising agency, giving him a fascinating early window into why consumers spend their time and money. Dan covers new brands that are making waves like Fishwife and Omsom, as well as established players like Sweetgreen to give readers a broad sense of how the consumer landscape and the players in it are changing.
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ABOUT OUTLIER ACADEMY
Learn timeless lessons on work and life from iconic founders, world-renown investors, and bestselling authors. Outlier Academy is the forever school for those chasing greatness. Past guests include Gokul Rajaram of DoorDash, Scott Belsky of Benchmark and Adobe, Joey Krug of Pantera Capital, Mark Sisson of Primal Kitchen, Luke Gromen of The Forest for the Trees, and Brian Scudamore of 1-800-GOT-JUNK.
Website: https://www.outlieracademy.com
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/outlieracademy
ABOUT DANIEL SCRIVNER
Outlier Academy is hosted by Daniel Scrivner. Over the last 15 years, Daniel has led design teams at Square and Apple, turned around a $3M+ ARR SaaS business, and invested in more than 100 companies. He launched Outlier Academy in 2020 to learn from the world’s best founders, investors, authors, and peak performance experts.
Website: https://www.danielscrivner.com
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/danielscrivner
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