

The Cash Flow Contractor
Benali
If you’re like most contractors we know, then you started your business because you’re passionate about and great at your craft. You also wanted to be your own boss. Owning a business has a lot of advantages, but also a lot of challenges.
We started this podcast to talk about things that matter to you as an owner, like business fundamentals, sales processes, marketing, leadership, and much more. Armed with knowledge, you’ll be able to reach your goals, whether that’s growth, getting your shop to run without you, or anything in between.
We started this podcast to talk about things that matter to you as an owner, like business fundamentals, sales processes, marketing, leadership, and much more. Armed with knowledge, you’ll be able to reach your goals, whether that’s growth, getting your shop to run without you, or anything in between.
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Dec 25, 2025 • 33min
287 - 12 Days of Contractor Christmas
Ever feel like your contracting business is hitting every possible roadblock during the holiday season? In this festive yet practical episode, Martin and Khalil break down the "12 Days of Contractor Christmas" - a humorous but painfully accurate look at the common problems contractors face. From scope creep to unpaid invoices, they explore how these challenges drain your profits and what systems can prevent them.What You'll LearnWhy most contractor problems are influenceable even when they seem uncontrollableHow to handle change orders profitably instead of losing marginThat your business culture gets set by what you're willing to acceptWhy concessions typically come from a mindset of fearHow proper systems prevent the domino effect of contractor problemsTime Stamps00:00 - Episode Intro01:41 - The 12 Days of Contractor Christmas: Days 1-411:00 - The 12 Days of Contractor Christmas: Days 5-718:40 - The 12 Days of Contractor Christmas: Days 8-1228:12 - Reflections and Holiday WishesSnippets from the Episode"Control is an illusion. You can’t have full control but you can heavily influence. And everything we're talking about there, it can be heavily influenced by preparation and contracts and systems." - Martin Holland"The more that you concede and allow that behavior, the more that you've set the standard of what your culture is and you're gonna see more of it."- Khalil Benalioulhaj"Change orders can be great because if you're doing change orders properly, you are bidding, it's almost a guaranteed bid. And you should be doing it at a much higher rate because the scope is changing."- Khalil Benalioulhaj"You’re setting the standard for your culture based on what you accept in your business. You can have conversations about this and include expectations to set the company's culture."- Khalil Benalioulhaj"Concessions are a mindset of fear."- Khalil BenalioulhajKey TakeawaysProperly priced change orders should generate higher marginsSystems prevent scope creep and payment disputesWhat you tolerate becomes your company cultureThe real cost of callbacks goes beyond materialsUnfinished work is often tied to lack of clear scope definitionsInvoice promptly to avoid cash flow problemsControl may be impossible, but influence is always availableResources24 Things Construction Business Owners Need to Successfully Hire & Train an Executive AssistantSchedule a 15-Minute Roadblock CallBuild a Business that Runs without you. Explore our GrowthKits Need Marketing Help? We Recommend BenaliNeed Help with podcast production? We recommend DemandcastMore from Martin Hollandtheprofitproblem.comannealbc.com Email MartinMeet With MartinLinkedInFacebookInstagramMore from Khalilbenali.com Email KhalilMeet With KhalilLinkedInFacebookInstagramMore from The Cash Flow ContractorSubscribe to our YouTube channelSubscribe to our NewsletterFollow On Social: LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, X(formerly Twitter)Visit our websiteEmail The Cashflow Contractor

Dec 18, 2025 • 58min
286 - Solving People Problems in Construction with Tom Bunn
What if you could build a thriving $2M construction business by focusing on the right team structure and core values? Tom Bunn shares his journey from corporate burnout to successful contractor, revealing how his team-first approach and EOS framework transformed Bunn and Sons from a handyman service to a thriving design-build firm, without the chaos that typically plagues construction businesses.What You’ll LearnHow to transition from working IN your business to working ON your businessWhy core values are essential for qualifying both team members and clientsHow to structure and manage trade partner relationships for long-term successThe importance of maintaining margin in your business decisionsWhy "table stakes" business practices can become a major differentiator in constructionTime Stamps00:58 - Episode Intro02:00 - Starting Bunn and Sons: From Corporate to Construction04:41 - Building the Business: Early Challenges and Growth07:02 - Team Dynamics: Assembling and Managing the Crew10:25 - Core Values and Company Culture26:29 - Building Long-Lasting Trade Partner Relationships26:54 - Onboarding and Integrating New Trade Partners28:13 - Maintaining Trade Partner Relationships34:58 - Client Qualification and Vetting Process41:18 - Challenges and Best Practices in Construction43:14 - The Importance of Margin in Business48:16 - Differentiating Through Basic Business Practices50:24 - The Low Barrier to Entry in Construction54:39 - Simplicity vs. Complexity in Business Operations56:13 - Final Thoughts and ReflectionsSnippets from the Episode"I've found that a lot of people we hire come to us in a state I'd loosely describe as 'battered wife.' This industry has just become far too commonplace for tradespeople to be undervalued, overworked, and stressed out."- Tom Bunn"When things get lean, there's a constant temptation to want to say 'maybe we could make this work,' but you have to be careful. It's very easy to burn a lot of relationship capital with your team when you bring a bad client on board."- Tom Bunn"Simple doesn't mean easy. Pricing is simple: direct costs, indirect costs, and margin on top. But if you don't know what those are, that very simple thing becomes tough."- Tom BunnKey TakeawaysDefine your core values first, then hire to match themFocus on coordination and client experienceMaintain long-term trade partner relationshipsPay invoices on time and respect trade partners' expertiseQualify clients against your values and ideal client profileProtect your margins by saying no to the wrong opportunitiesBasic business practices can be your biggest differentiatorResources24 Things Construction Business Owners Need to Successfully Hire & Train an Executive AssistantSchedule a 15-Minute Roadblock CallBuild a Business that Runs without you. Explore our GrowthKits Need Marketing Help? We Recommend BenaliNeed Help with podcast production? We recommend DemandcastMore from Tom BunnLinked InBun & Sons websiteBun & Sons on IGMore from Martin Hollandtheprofitproblem.comannealbc.com Email MartinMeet With MartinLinkedInFacebookInstagramMore from Khalilbenali.com Email KhalilMeet With KhalilLinkedInFacebookInstagramMore from The Cash Flow ContractorSubscribe to our YouTube channelSubscribe to our NewsletterFollow On Social: LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, X(formerly Twitter)Visit our websiteEmail The Cashflow Contractor

Dec 11, 2025 • 56min
285 - From Cabinet Painting to Design-Build: A 9-Year Journey to Scaling 3 Companies with Amy Hayes
Ever wondered how to transform a simple service business into a thriving design-build company? In this episode, Amy Hayes shares her remarkable 9-year journey from painting cabinets as a mother-daughter summer project to scaling three successful companies, including her $3.5M design-build firm. Her story proves that with determination and the right mindset, you can build something extraordinary without formal industry experience.What You’ll LearnHow to transition from a service-based business to a design-build modelWhy niching down can accelerate your growth and profitabilityHow to build and lead an all-female team in a male-dominated industryStrategies for solving the proposal problem in design-build businessesThe importance of finding resources and support systems in the contracting worldTime Stamps00:45 - Episode & Guest Intro01:11 - About Bloom: The Business Overview02:33 - Women-Owned and Operated06:15 - Starting with Cabinet Painting10:21 - Challenges and Growth in Cabinet Painting22:02 - Transition to Design-Build31:56 - Monetizing the Business32:28 - Exploring the Venue as a Lead Generator34:13 - Addressing the Proposal Problem35:04 - Challenges in Pricing and Communication39:54 - Lessons Learned and Future StrategiesSnippets from the Episode"I think I had a pivotal moment there, saying, 'Am I really gonna let this stop something that is moving forward because of this one man and how he treated me?' And I decided, no, I'm not."- Amy Hayes"You have to invest in your business in order to grow it. It was just a really good time for us to do that."- Amy Hayes"A phrase that we used a lot, we would say we were building the plane as we're flying it, because that's what it felt like."- Amy Hayes"Find your resources, find your support... Don't be afraid to ask for help."- Amy HayesKey TakeawaysStart where you are with what you haveFocus on serving clients exceptionally well before worrying about pricingLearn to price appropriately by seeking industry guidanceSet clear budget expectations early in client relationshipsFind peer support even among competitorsSurround yourself with people who complement your weaknessesResources24 Things Construction Business Owners Need to Successfully Hire & Train an Executive AssistantSchedule a 15-Minute Roadblock CallBuild a Business that Runs without you. Explore our GrowthKits Need Marketing Help? We Recommend BenaliNeed Help with podcast production? We recommend DemandcastMore from Amy HayesBloom KitchensBloom Painting CompanyLinkedinMore from Martin Hollandtheprofitproblem.comannealbc.com Email MartinMeet With MartinLinkedInFacebookInstagramMore from Khalilbenali.com Email KhalilMeet With KhalilLinkedInFacebookInstagramMore from The Cash Flow ContractorSubscribe to our YouTube channelSubscribe to our NewsletterFollow On Social: LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, X(formerly Twitter)Visit our websiteEmail The Cashflow Contractor

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Dec 4, 2025 • 59min
284 - Building Kanban Boards with AI: A Guide to Business Function Charts (Part 3)
If tracking multiple jobs feels overwhelming, this discussion offers a solution. Discover how to create a practical Kanban board for visibility into your sales pipeline, using tools like ClickUp. Learn to transform workflow charts into visual systems and implement checklists to streamline delegation. The hosts dive into the use of AI for refining sales stages and adapting them to specific business needs. Plus, find out how to replicate this approach across different functions, ensuring your team stays organized and efficient.

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Nov 27, 2025 • 41min
283 - Building Your Business Function Chart with AI: A Guide to Business Function Charts (Part 2)
Discover how to visually map your business operations using AI tools like Claude. Learn to differentiate between functions, sub-functions, and core activities. Explore techniques to create actionable checklists that streamline your workflows. The hosts demonstrate generating sales subfunctions and refining a visual function chart, offering insights on ownership and capacity management. You'll also gain tips on utilizing dictation tools for efficiency. Transform your chaotic processes into clear systems and prepare for the upcoming Kanban integration!

Nov 20, 2025 • 20min
282 - Are You Losing Money on Every Service Call?
Is your service department draining profits instead of generating them? In this practical episode, Martin and Khalil tackle a real contractor dilemma: how to transform service calls from costly overhead into a profitable business segment. Discover why your current pricing model might be leaving thousands on the table and the straightforward systems you need to fix it.What You’ll LearnWhy mixing service and install teams creates hidden profit leaksHow to properly calculate service call pricing (hint: it's much higher than you think)Simple systems to separate service operations for clarity and profitabilityWhy treating service as a "loss leader" is destroying your marginsTime Stamps00:52 - Episode Intro01:02 - The Service Dilemma03:23 - Exploring Solutions and Pricing17:37 - Final Thoughts and TakeawaysSnippets from the Episode"If I can't figure out what something costs me and what I gotta sell it for, then I shouldn't be doing it." - Martin Holland"I think the way that this gets created is you start thinking 'If I can't service these clients, the builder's gonna get upset and not give me new jobs.' So we have it as a loss leader. That's a recipe for disaster."- Khalil Benalioulhaj"Make some estimate and just make sure the estimate is high enough that it's worth it. If we get half of our estimated calls, we still make money."- Martin Holland"You gotta know your costs. That's the takeaway."- Martin HollandKey TakeawaysDouble your service department costs at a minimum when setting pricesSeparate service from installation teams completelyStop treating service as a loss leaderUnderstand the full cost of running a dedicated service departmentBe bold with pricing until you get pushbackService should have its own tracking and profit metricsService work requires specialized skills and dedicated resourcesResources24 Things Construction Business Owners Need to Successfully Hire & Train an Executive AssistantSchedule a 15-Minute Roadblock CallCheck out OpenPhoneBuild a Business that Runs without you. Explore our GrowthKits Need Marketing Help? We Recommend BenaliNeed Help with podcast production? We recommend DemandcastMore from Martin Hollandtheprofitproblem.comannealbc.com Email MartinMeet With MartinLinkedInFacebookInstagramMore from Khalilbenali.com Email KhalilMeet With KhalilLinkedInFacebookInstagramMore from The Cash Flow ContractorSubscribe to our YouTube channelSubscribe to our NewsletterFollow On Social: LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, X(formerly Twitter)Visit our websiteEmail The Cashflow Contractor

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Nov 13, 2025 • 49min
281 - Are You Wasting 20% of Your Business Budget? with Duane Deason
Duane Deason, a cost management expert and author of 'Operationally Svelte,' sheds light on hidden expenses that can waste 10-20% of business budgets. He reveals simple strategies for identifying cash flow issues without being a financial whiz. Deason emphasizes the importance of creating a culture that celebrates cost-cutting and encourages accountability in spending. He also discusses the concept of Cost Management Centers and how proper governance can lead to significant savings, transforming cash flow for contractors.

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Nov 6, 2025 • 37min
280 - Mapping Your Workflows with AI: A Guide to Business Function Charts
Khalil and Martin dive into the importance of mapping business workflows, using a past sprinkler company as a case study. They break down the difference between org charts and function charts, highlighting how visualizing processes enhances management. Practical tools like Kanban boards and AI methods streamline workflow design. The discussion also covers lead qualification, job scheduling, and post-job follow-ups, emphasizing how structured workflows can transform chaos into clarity and scalability for small businesses.

Oct 30, 2025 • 1h 3min
279 - Buying the Business You Work For: Turning Experience into Ownership with Shaun Sykes
Discover how 29-year-old Shaun Sykes transformed from a labor worker dragging brush to the proud owner of Arbor Image, a thriving tree care company. In this revealing conversation, Shaun shares the exact systems that allowed him to cut $47,000 in monthly overhead, increase gross profit margins from 40% to over 60%, and structure a successful ownership transition—all while making both clients and team members happier.What You’ll LearnHow to identify and cut unnecessary overhead that's killing your profitsPractical strategies to increase your gross margins by 20%+ within monthsWhy your pricing fears are holding you back (and how to overcome them)How to implement pay-for-performance systems that make your team more efficientWays to leverage global talent to multiply your business capabilitiesTime Stamps01:16 - The Glass Wall Incident03:30 -Tree Talk: Assessing the Yard04:37 -Meet Shaun Sykes: From Laborer to Arborist08:35 -The Business of Tree Care17:36 -Taking Ownership: The Journey to Becoming a Business Owner34:16 -Legal Aspects of the Deal37:56 -Cutting Overhead Costs43:46 -Leveraging Virtual Assistants for EfficiencySnippets from the Episode"My unique skill isn't being an arborist, it's aligning incentives. That is my number one skill. I love writing up incentive plans and working with the team on bonus programs." - Shaun Sykes, Owner of Arbor Image"We were paying out less money per job on labor than we ever had, and they are making more money than they've ever had." - Shaun Sykes on the pay-for-performance results"We made a 20% price increase, didn't see a drop in close rate. So we took another 20-30% increase, and then finally saw a small drop to about 50% close rate." - Shaun Sykes on pricing courage"The biggest thing that started the confidence to make changes was getting our marketing in order and having way more than enough leads." - Shaun Sykes on transformation catalyst"Nearly every change we were scared to make ended up getting us more customers because we came across as more professional."- Shaun Sykes on implementing systemsKey TakeawaysStart with your bookkeepingTrack every lead source religiouslyRaise prices until you see resistanceAlign incentives across your entire teamCut overhead ruthlessly ($47,000 monthly)Require deposits and payment methods on fileLeverage global talent for critical admin rolesResources24 Things Construction Business Owners Need to Successfully Hire & Train an Executive AssistantSchedule a 15-Minute Roadblock CallCheck out OpenPhoneBuild a Business that Runs without you. Explore our GrowthKits Need Marketing Help? We Recommend BenaliNeed Help with podcast production? We recommend DemandcastMore from Shaun SykesShaun Sykes - Owner, Arbor ImageArbor Image websiteMore from Martin Hollandtheprofitproblem.comannealbc.com Email MartinMeet With MartinLinkedInFacebookInstagramMore from Khalilbenali.com Email KhalilMeet With KhalilLinkedInFacebookInstagramMore from The Cash Flow ContractorSubscribe to our YouTube channelSubscribe to our NewsletterFollow On Social: LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, X(formerly Twitter)Visit our websiteEmail The Cashflow Contractor

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Oct 23, 2025 • 58min
278 - Maximize Your Contractor Business Sale: How Private Equity Values What You've Built with Christian Olson
Christian Olson, an investment banker and M&A advisor at Footprint Capital, reveals strategies for maximizing contractor business sales. He discusses how standardizing systems boosts valuations, the critical role of culture in deals, and the importance of preparation for acquisitions. Christian highlights the difference between business brokers and investment bankers, emphasizes the value of a solid tech stack, and warns against accepting initial offers without knowing true worth. Engage with expert insights on becoming a 'platform company' to ensure long-term benefits.


