Sentientism

Jamie Woodhouse
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Apr 19, 2023 • 2h 20min

151: "I went vegan finally when I fell in love with one" - filmmaker and writer Jay Shapiro - Sentientism

Jay Shapiro is an award winning filmmaker, writer, & podcaster. He directed the film Islam & the Future of Tolerance, based around a post 9/11 conversation between Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz. He produces and creates a wide range of content, writes on his "What Jay Thinks" blog & hosts the Dilemma podcast - I had the pleasure of being his guest for a Dilemma hangout about Sentientism back in 2020. He loves thoughtful deep dives into philosophy, psychology, & political analysis. In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is ⁠⁠here on YouTube⁠⁠. We discuss: 00:00 Welcome 01:54 Jay Intro - The Essential #samharris series - Documentary & narrative film-making - "I really want to understand ideas... and transmit those to an audience... even if I totally disagree with the idea" 03:16 What's Real? - Growing up in a secular #Jewish household - "Post-holocaust American judaism is it's own brand... a very ethical & political tribe more than a religious one" - "Never again becomes the holiest prayer" - Psychologist dad, guidance counsellor mum - "I'm a boring naturalist but... I love analogies for what it feels like to exist" - Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-Five "Oh... This is what I like" - An over-active imagination as a kid... "my scientists", The Truman Show, solipsism, Philip K Dick & #scifi - #Meditation, #psychedelics, religious experiences... "scrambles the dials" - Donald Hoffman's "The Case Against Reality" - How evolution shapes our construction of experiences of reality - Psychedelics help us "catch it in the act" of reality construction - "There's much more out there" e.g. non-human sentient experiences - "It reminds you of the expansiveness of reality rather than show you a new one" - The National High School Ethics Bowl - Anil Seth's "How your brain hallucinates reality" @TED - Annika Harris's exploration of consciousness theories re: "The Hard Question" - "Reality is awesome enough - who needs magic" (I mis-spoke!) - Epistemological tests?: atheism, veganism, spherical earth... - Writing about Sam Harris, not for him - Object-oriented ontology - #psychology "I don't think we're the rational animal... we're the rationalising animal" - How people respond to #cognitivedissonance (Leon Festinger) "they really don't like it" - Criticising #consequentialism "you can justify anything... wait long enough and the consequences will work out... where do you stop the clock... too easy to find an out" - #Virtueethics "Secular virtue" (vs. religious views of virtue) - What happens after noticing the cognitive dissonance. More about psychology & values more than epistemology? - Coping mechanisms. Consequentialism, capitalism, economics... give people outs to "quiet these voices in their heads" - Neil Levy "people are more rational than you think" https://youtu.be/Tp40ga1cXEc - Qanon, Goop products... everyone selects evidence/sources to suit themselves - Believing unfounded things can be a "rational" response to existential crises / the discomfort of cognitive dissonance 37:45 What Matters? - "There is no grounding (to ethics)" - David Hume's "unbreachable" is-ought chasm - "If you hate Sam (Harris) I think you'll like a lot of what I do there" (the Foundations of Morality episode of The Essential Sam Harris - There is a relationship between is and ought but "It's up to us to define that relationship" 58:50 Who Matters? 01:50:49 How Can We Make A Better Future? ...and much more. Full show notes at ⁠⁠Sentientism.info⁠⁠. Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at ⁠⁠Sentientism.info⁠⁠. Join our ⁠⁠"I'm a Sentientist" wall⁠⁠ via ⁠⁠this simple form⁠⁠. Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is ⁠⁠here on FaceBook⁠⁠. Come join us there!
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Mar 23, 2023 • 1h 55min

150: Should Effective Altruism Take Abolitionism More Seriously? - Dhruv Makwana - Sentientism

Dhruv is a PhD student at the Department of Computer Science and Technology, University of Cambridge. He has interests in psychology, philosophy and animal advocacy. In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is ⁠here on YouTube⁠. We discuss: 00:00 Welcome 01:33 Dhruv Intro 02:25 What's Real? - Born in India, moving to Scotland "A mix of two cultures" - Hindu temple at home, outside was "classic western materialism, science..." - @OfficialDerrenBrown 's "Tricks of the Mind". Magic, charlatanism, #homeopathy , #religion, #GMO scepticism (e.g. Golden Rice) - Reading Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things" at 12 yrs old - Finding school academically easy but socially hard "immigrant children willl know... feeling like half and half and the halves don't really mix" - Culturally universal values: "There was this value of transcendence that was just missing... it would be really nice if god was real... I switched back and forth" - Celebrating #diwali when visiting India "I could see the appeal... but I couldn't see any reason or logic" - "It's not like the western materialists have any really great answers on how to live..." - Experiencing clinical #depression at Cambridge University - Discovering #stoicism & #nietzsche "a very positive nihilism" - The @philosophizethispodcast and @theschooloflifetv "self-directed, exploratory learning" - Existentialism "I couldn't really follow the continental philosophers". Camus' "The Plague" made more sense during #covid19 - A personal situation "which just did not seem amenable to being logiced out of" - A talk by @akalamusic - Going back to Indian religion & philosophy "there might be something here" - Reading the #mahabharata to understand the context for the #bhagavadgita - #arjuna , #krishna roles & responsibilities "why should I act if the fruits of my acts are not my own?" - Encountering #buddhism Graham Priest's "Paraconsistent logics" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Priest - 2 weeks at a Buddhist monastery in Scotland "everyone had their own story... so much suffering... worse than mine" - Values of patience, generosity, loving - Practising #meditation & #mindfulness - "Let me just try things that seem to work" - The wisdom of hunter-gatherer cultures - Not dismissing or reifying any culture - "I accidentally moved to New Zealand" - Going #vegan (after growing up #vegetarian ) mainly for environmental reasons - Trying vegan pizza "this is fine" - @SimonAmstellNumb 's #Carnage documentary https://youtu.be/6dXG0_yr7HE - @ed.winters Watching #EarthlingEd - Ethical & epistemological journeys developing in parallel - Meeting an activist community - Reading Peter Singer's "The Life You Can Save" and #effectivealtruism - Sam Harris' "Waking Up" - Identity & Derek Parfit - Physicist Carlo Rovelli's "The Order of Time" & intepretations of quantum physics - "I have 4 extremely diverse points of view pointing to this very strange thing about notions of identity... the Buddha takes things one step further... his is one of the reasons you're upset" - "Being troubled by open metaphysical questions is not because you don't have an answer... it's because you expect the answer" - A local #yoga group - "I stopped being bothered by these big existential questions" - Exploring from the outside & the inside (e.g. via meditation) - Cravings & suffering Also what matters, who matters, how we can make a better future... ...and much more. Full show notes at ⁠Sentientism.info⁠. Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at ⁠Sentientism.info⁠. Join our ⁠"I'm a Sentientist" wall⁠ via ⁠this simple form⁠. Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is ⁠here on FaceBook⁠. Come join us there!
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Mar 17, 2023 • 1h 10min

149: "Why is it so hard to talk about meat?" - Cross-post bonus episode with Jenny Splitter from her FutureFeed substack talking to Jamie Woodhouse

This episode is a bonus cross-post of my conversation about "Why is it so hard to talk about meat?", and of course Sentientism, with Jenny Splitter for her FutureFeed substack - make sure you go and subscribe! Jenny is managing Editor for Sentient Media. She is an award-winning journalist and contributor to outlets like Vox, Everyday Health, Popular Mechanics, The Guardian and others. She’s one of the founding members of, and a contributor to SciMoms. I was also lucky to have Jenny as my guest on Sentientism episode 64. In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what (and who) matters?” Sentientism answers those questions with a commitment to "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." Find out more at ⁠Sentientism.info⁠. Join our ⁠"I'm a Sentientist" wall⁠ via ⁠this simple form⁠. Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is ⁠here on FaceBook⁠. Come join us there!
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Mar 11, 2023 • 1h 16min

148: "Vegan pets... They're enjoying their lives more & they're living longer" - Dr. Andrew Knight - Professor and Dog & Cat Vet - Sentientism

Andrew is Professor of Animal Welfare & Ethics & Founding Director of the University of Winchester Centre for Animal Welfare. He also holds many other academic and veterinary positions. Ever since helping launch Australia’s campaign against the live sheep trade to the Middle East in the early 1990s, he has advocated on behalf of animals. For nearly a decade prior to 2012 he practiced veterinary medicine, mostly around London. In 2013 – 2014 he directed the Clinical Skills Laboratory and taught animal ethics, welfare, veterinary practice management and surgical and medical skills at one of the world’s largest veterinary schools in the Caribbean. Andrew's books include The Routledge Handbook of Animal Welfare (2023) and The Costs and Benefits of Animal Experiments (2011). He has published widely for both public and academic audiences including papers in New Scientist, the British Medical Journal USA and PLoS One. Andrew has been honoured with 14 awards for his research, his advocacy and for his teaching. sustainablepetfood.info - includes details of all the research discussed. andrewknight.info In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube. We discuss: 00:00 Welcome 01:33 Andrew's Intro 03:57 What's Real? - Questioning his life after being unlucky in love - Following the tradition of "gurus going to mountain tops"... hiking up a mountain & fasting - A beautiful mountain view at dawn... "Please god - if there's anything out there - let me know now!" - "The sun came up... I got my answer clear as day... there was absolutely nothing... I had to go back down the mountain... carry on and do the best I could... without any advice or clues from above... that's been my guiding inspiration since... what are we going to do with this opportunity?..." - "I was very pleased because I could finally eat some food" :) - Australia's secularism - Veterinary education focused on science & evidence. 11:11 What Matters? - "Try to do the most good you can and the least harm that you can."... without letting that turn you into a grim and uninspiring person - Enjoying your life & not burning out (tough for caring professions & activists) - "Don't forget to look after ourselves" - "That's why it's [doing good, avoiding harm] such a good baseline principle... It's a simple clear message... something we can all aspire to" 15:32 Who Matters? 29:46 How Can We Make a Better Future? ...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info. Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form. Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
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Mar 5, 2023 • 1h 27min

147: "Animal research... much harm with very little benefit" - Neuroscientist Dr Katherine Roe from PETA - Sentientism

Katherine is chief of Science Advancement and Outreach (SAO) at PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals). SAO aims to change the paradigm of biomedical research by promoting the development & implementation of cutting-edge strategies in biomedical research & training & eliminating the use of animals in experimentation. Katherine earned her bachelor’s degrees in biology psychology from Syracuse University and her Ph.D. in experimental psychology and cognitive science from the University of California–San Diego. After completing a postdoctoral fellowship at Johns Hopkins University, she went on to become a research fellow at the National Institute of Mental Health, where she stayed for eight years. Over the course of her research career, she studied the neural correlates of linguistic, spatial, & memory processes, working with children with early focal brain injury, adults & children with schizophrenia, and individuals with Williams syndrome and related genetic disorders. Katherine has more than 20 years of experience conducting brain and neuroimaging research with humans and is an expert at experimental design and data analysis. She has been published in numerous peer-reviewed journals and has presented her findings at national and international industry conferences. In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube. We discuss: 00:00 Welcome 01:29 Katherine's Intro - from neuroscience and the NIH to PETA - "About half of biomedical research... involves very invasive procedures with animals" - "It became clear to me that that assumption... that the harms we were doing were justifiable... fell apart... the harms were much greater than I realised but also... there's a lot of species differences that make data from these labs difficult to translate into benefits for humans." - "Then the question becomes... well what are we doing?" - "Trying to make sure people realise how sentient these animals really are... they have their own needs & wants & desires" - Previous episodes with Ingrid Newkirk https://youtu.be/M7Ac2Ba2jbM & Aysha Akhtar https://youtu.be/EZ_gh0ldzpo 04:55 What's Real? - "Religious but not deeply religious" parents - Anglican, episcopalian Christians - "It never really took" - Not needing external reasons for "wanting to cause as little harm as possible and to live in harmony with the world around us" - Learning about animals through science "started to change the way I viewed them" 24:54 What & Who Matters? 46:49 How Can We Make a Better Future? ...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info. Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form. Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
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Feb 27, 2023 • 1h 20min

146: Bursting "The Reality Bubble" - Ziya Tong - Science broadcaster and author - Sentientism

Ziya is a television presenter, producer, author and board member. She was the co-host of Discovery Channel’s long-running primetime science magazine, Daily Planet. In 2019 she wrote the book “The Reality Bubble“. Ziya serves on the boards of a range of NGOs and charities, including PEN Canada, We Animals Media and WWF International. In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube. We discuss: 00:00 Welcome 01:46 Ziya's Intro  - Science broadcasting  @discoverycanada   - Author of "The Reality Bubble" exposing human blind-spots - NGO board roles including  @WeAnimalsMedia  (animal photojournalism led by Jo-Anne McArthur) - Tweeting about earthlings: https://twitter.com/ziyatong 03:32: What's Real? - "Being a bi-racial person gives you a sort of split view... Chinese... Eastern European" - Communism & capitalism, eastern & western - "I never really... took one true dogmatic reality" - "I consistently shed layers of what I previously thought of as reality" - Yoda: "You must unlearn what you have learned" - A science journalist career "naturalistic in one sense" - "With science you can reveal a lot... the whole book [The Reality Bubble] is about that... but it always puts a lens between you and the subject" - Black holes & mites on our eyelashes - "The humanities are much more subjective" - Polymaths spanning humanities & the sciences "that blend is what's interesting to me" - "Indigenous perspectives... have so much to share with us about how we perceive reality" - Swimming sea wolves in British Columbia "new to science - but indigenous peoples had known about these wolves for their entire histories" - The Consilience Model: Science and indigenous perspectives "Two eyed seeing" - Plant medicines like #ayahuasca "which open up an entirely new door to reality" - "I don't believe reality stands on firm ground... I'm happy to run around the ice flow as it shifts... reality should never be solid" - Science & indigenous perspectives "are both based on observation" - "To a neutrino this mug wouldn't be here at all" - "We have to question our every-day common sense notions of reality" - Humilty & error-correction - Risks of dogma within science "we looked at animals as if they were machines" - Brought up Roman #catholic , dabbled with #buddhism  / #sufiism  - Rumi: "There's a hundred ways to kiss the ground" - #Vipassna #meditation  - a 10 day silent retreat "you are really guided by yourself" - Feeding ants & saving an ant "I promised not to kill anything" as part of the 10 Buddhist precepts ...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info. Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form. Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
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Feb 21, 2023 • 1h 34min

145: A US Constitution For All Sentient Beings - Maybe Sooner Than We Think? - Michael Dorf - US Constitutional Law Professor - Sentientism

Michael is a law professor and scholar of U.S. constitutional law. He is the Robert S. Stevens Professor of Law at Cornell Law School. In addition to constitutional law, Michael has taught courses in civil procedure and federal courts. He has written/co-written/edited six books, including Beating Hearts: Abortion and Animal Rights (co-written with his wife, Sherry Colb), as well as scores of law review articles about American constitutional law. He is also a columnist for Verdict. Michael is a former law clerk to Justice Anthony Kennedy of the U.S. Supreme Court and Judge Stephen Reinhardt of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. Michael has appeared in American news media as a legal expert and has been interviewed by and/or quoted in, for example, The New York Times, CNN, National Public Radio and The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (another suspected sentientist). In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube. We discuss: 00:00 Welcome 02:02 Michael's Intro - Studying physics, then the law - Clerking then legal scholarship - Blogging @ Dorf On Law - #vegan since 2006 - Animal work in partnership with Mike's wife, Sherry Kolb "we agreed on nearly everything, but not quite everything" 04:44 What's Real? - Growing up in New York, raised #jewish "but mostly culturally" - "My father never went to synagogue unless it was somebody's wedding... he was not at all religious but he was the most ethical person I knew" - "Religion is not necessary and certainly... not sufficient to make someone an ethical person" - "That personal aspect... overshadowed anything I was being taught" - Dad's library: "the answers that the religious folks were giving to deep philosophical questions... barely scratched the surface... whereas if I went into my dad's study... Bertrand Russell's "History of Western Philosophy"... Lao Tse..." - Teaching: "what I really value is engagement with hard questions" - "The sorts of answers that religion gives stop asking the questions just when they become interesting... god made the world... god thus commanded it... it leaves lots of further questions unasked" - "Nearly all of the spiritual or supernatural beliefs I've encountered, whether religious or otherwise, strike me as ridiculous" - "If that happens [god appearing] then I'll adjust my views... but that will be in response to evidence... that itself would be a kind of naturalism." ...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info. Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form. Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
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Feb 9, 2023 • 1h 2min

143: "Why bad beliefs happen to good people" - Philosopher Neil Levy - Sentientism

Neil is a professor of philosophy with research interests spanning philosophy of mind, psychology, free will, moral responsibility, epistemology & applied ethics. He is Senior Research Fellow at the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics & professor of philosophy at Macquarie University, Sydney. From 2010, he was head of neuroethics at the Florey Institutes of Neuroscience in Melbourne. He has written many papers & books, including “Bad Beliefs: Why They Happen to Good People“. In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube. We discuss: 00:00 Welcome - Is Neil a #Sentientist ? 02:05 Neil's Intro - Perpetual winters between Oxford & Sydney - Philsophy of applied ethics, free will, epistemology - Neil's episode on #DecodingTheGurus re: intellectual virtue signalling 03:55 What's Real? - Brought up #jewish "very much a cultural thing... synagogue twice a year" in #southafrica Africa - Jewish Saturday school - Moving to #Australia & attending religious school - At 11-12 "This doesn't make much sense to me - this god business. I've been a convinced #atheist ever since" - "Being religious can be perfectly reasonable" - Subjective rationality "how well are you processing your evidence given where you are?" - "People are much more rational than we think... even #QAnon supporters... they're completely wrong... but if they believe what they're saying... they're rational given where they start" - #Trolling & #bullshit - "We've got lots of evidence people don't believe what they're saying" - #Determinism & #freewill & "the epistemic condition on responsibility"... "nobody does have that kind of control over their beliefs... they've done the best they can with the evidence available to them" - "Criticism comes cheap... so does praise" - "Luck explains so much" constitutive & present luck - "It gives us more to do... of the sort of things philosophers aren't good at" - Teaching critical thinking, logic, fallacies "people get better... but they don't get better at using it outside the classroom" - "In the classroom I give you evidence... they stipulate it... you just accept it"... "But in the real world you're faced with the continual problem... should I trust the evidence?" - A key reason people don't update beliefs given new evidence is because "they just don't trust the evidence in the first place... and you can formally model why they shouldn't... given what they already believe" - The "capital punishment views" experiment - "If somebody shows me a prima facie plausible study showing that... all dogs have 5 legs... I'm going to think... that it's bullshit" - Bayesianism - Gullibility, dogmatism, #skepticism - #QAnon , #Antivaxx , #homeopathy ...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info. Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form. Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
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Feb 9, 2023 • 1h 34min

142: "Veterinarians are merchants of doubt for animal ag" - Dr. Crystal Heath - Founder of Our Honor - Sentientism

Crystal is a veterinary practitioner, a journalist and an activist. She is the co-founder of Our Honor, a charity aiming to create an organized network of veterinary professionals who are able to challenge unethical institutionalised systems and amplify the voices of those who have been marginalised. In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube. We discuss: 00:00 Welcome - "I'd love for these sorts of conversations to be had in #veterinary schools" - "Should all vets maybe adopt a #Sentientism philosophy?" 03:21 Crystal's Intro - "A veterinarian who kind of recently joined the animal rights movement" - "This movement has kind of taken over my whole life" - Full-time veterinary practice & founding Our Honor - Empowering vets to "speak their conscience & confront systems of violence" - Countering bullying & retaliation - Compassionate Bay working on Californian legislation - The California fur ban & global impact - "It's quite astonishing - the resistance in the veterinary community to animal rights" - The founding of veterinary practice in animal exploitation - "They actively keep out anybody with an animal rights agenda from entering the profession" 06:36 What's Real? - Growing up in an agnostic family on a farm - Celebrating Christmas - "What are you, Christian or Jewish?... like those were the only two options" - Asking what happens when chicks die... "their soul goes to heaven" - Young people's encounters with death "shocking & terrifying" "but I don't have that same sense of trauma from it... they're being released from this faulty body" - "I have a very scientific mindset" - Reading the Bible... being fascinated - Arguing about organ donation - Weddings: "the wife had to obey & submit... that didn't seem like something I could jump on board with" -  @ellendegeneres  #ellendegeneres coming out & being attacked by religious homophobes - Religion: maintaining hierarchy & power structures vs. people treating each other better - "What if agnostics & atheists organised themselves - would they end up trying to oppress others?" - "There are some big unanswered questions... why am I here... where does consciousness come from? Once you die, lights out... really?" - "...consciousness is a supernatural thing? I don't know" - Ontological & methodological / epistemological #naturalism  - "All models are wrong but some are useful" - Sentience vs. consciousness - Panpsychism & Luke Roelofs episode... ...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info. Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form. Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
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Jan 26, 2023 • 1h 17min

141: "All suffering matters morally" - Eva Hamer of Pax Fauna - Sentientism

Eva is the operations lead for the startup non-profit Pax Fauna. Pax Fauna exists to design a more effective social movement for animal freedom in the U.S. Eva has been organizing in the animal freedom movement since 2015 when she started working with Direct Action Everywhere (DxE) in Chicago, where she focused on building community, writing protest music, and compiling the movements’ songs into an online songbook used by advocates around the world. She started working full time as DxE’s legal coordinator in 2018, managing the organization’s many legal cases, organizing trainings, and orchestrating large artistic demonstrations. Building on a background in Kingian nonviolence, Eva is a dedicated student of #nonviolentcommunication and is committed to bringing NVC’s repertoire of creative problem-solving tools to the work of building a better culture in the animal movement. In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “who matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube. We discuss: 00:00 Welcome 01:39 Eva's Intro 02:48 What's Real? - "Growing up I definitely loved the supernatural... ghosts... god... mystical things" - Raised #episcopalian, baptised, church "I remember really enjoying that" - Considering confirmation but "starting to feel a little bit sceptical" - 5th grade: Debating people online about religion - "A sudden realisation... I don't actually believe all of this" - Looking for purpose - Identifying as an #atheist & focusing on the harms of religion (unaccepting, destructive, family rejections) - "I still don't believe in anything that can't be falsified" - "I'm really connected to the needs that can be met by religion..." working in an end of life hospice - "My own spirituality... characterised by #nonviolence" a Kingian perspective, nonviolent communication - Meeting the needs (community, morality)... without the supernatural - Valuing acceptance & care for others led to hostility vs. some religious ethics - #yoga & #meditation then finding "a more secular form of meditation" - Using supernaturalism as a metaphor - Naturalistic "spirituality"... "a felt sense of purpose" 13:20 What Matters? - Non-violence: Getting away from black & white "right and wrong" thinking to "thinking about needs" - Finding creative alternatives to meeting needs without violence - Needs & strategies to meet them - More fundamental needs: safety, sustenance, freedom from suffering - #maslow 's hierarchy, Scott Barry Kaufman's sailboat @ThePsychologyPodcast   - Protective use of force. Justifiable force. "Nonviolence is definitely not #pacifism " - Mourning unmet needs ...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info. Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form. Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!

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