

Sentientism
Jamie Woodhouse
We discuss the biggest questions: "what's real?", "who matters?" and "how to make a better world?" with scientists, celebrities, activists, writers and philosophers.
The Sentientism worldview is "evidence, reason and compassion for all sentient beings." It's a simple, yet radical, philosophy that's grounded in reality (naturalistic epistemology) and has compassion for all sentient beings (mostly human and non-human animals). Naturalism & sentiocentrism combined.
Find out more at https://sentientism.info/ or join a group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sentientism. Also on YouTube!
The Sentientism worldview is "evidence, reason and compassion for all sentient beings." It's a simple, yet radical, philosophy that's grounded in reality (naturalistic epistemology) and has compassion for all sentient beings (mostly human and non-human animals). Naturalism & sentiocentrism combined.
Find out more at https://sentientism.info/ or join a group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sentientism. Also on YouTube!
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Oct 23, 2022 • 1h 3min
131: "Watching Earthlings hit me really hard" - Sandra Nomoto - Author of Vegan Marketing Success Stories - Sentientism
Sandra describes herself as a vegan foodie, content writer & editor and wife on a mission to empower others to make small, meaningful decisions & actions that will help make the world a better place. She is co-host of VEG Networking Canada, a place where plant-based & vegan companies connect & collaborate. Sandra is the author of the book “Vegan Marketing Success Stories“.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
01:15 Sandra's Intro
- Filipino-canadian
- Literature, PR, marketing, writing
- Meditating: "This booming voice came to me... & said you're vegan now & you'll always be writing"
- Sandra's "The Content Doctor" business
- Writing "#vegan Marketing Success Stories"
03:41 What's Real?
- "A very #catholic household"
- Catholicism in the #phillipines due to #colonisation by Spain
- 13 years of Catholic school
- Church every Sunday
- Sermons: Fundraising & "We don't really welcome gay people" #homophobia "Two of my best friends had just come out"
- "That was the last service"
- "I never did believe in heaven & hell... metaphors"
- "I do believe in an afterlife"
- "There's a problem with the whole [Catholic] institution"
- Intuition & connecting to past ancestors "they're giving me signs... still here & watching over us"
- Why do colonially imposed religions retain such popularity?
- The Filipino disapora, challenging colonial restrictions, reclaiming indigenous practices (e.g. tattooing)
- Joining #nxivm... later discovered to be a dangerous #cult "If it feels painful - move towards it!"
- A clear image from a recently deceased grandfather
- Being guided by a deceased cousin in Montreal
- "From the little I know of #quantumphysics physics this is all very possible... that's why we have #ghosts "
- "The big bang... earliest atoms... that's my definition of god... the creator"
- "The potential... of love... we all come from stardust"
- Risks of religious & spiritual beliefs
- Scams, cults, crystals, alt-medicine, #antivaxx
- "Critical thinking caps" & #redflags
- #Conspirituality podcast. #Yoga #wellness #spirituality
33:46 What & Who Matters?
- "Be a good person as much as you can vs. just being consumers"
- "I did not care very much for animals"... now vegan
- Documentaries: "Watching #earthlings ... hit me really hard... stop eating meat"
- "As soon as the idea of becoming vegan hit my brain... this is it!... it took me 11 years"...
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!

Oct 15, 2022 • 1h 21min
130: Consumers can drive compassionate change - Ethos CEO Jill Ettinger - Sentientism
Jill has been a leading voice in digital media for more than a decade. She’s been published in outlets including MTV, The Huffington Post, and the Village Voice. She served as Head of Content for a popular vegan media platform from 2017-2020, with a reach of more than 50 million per month. She has worked with a number of impact media platforms to help build their traffic and positioning, as well as with leading brands and celebrities working to make the world a more sustainable and ethical space. Jill is the co-founder, CEO and Head of Content for Ethos.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
01:42 Jill's Intro
- Immersed in digital content
- Co-founding https://the-ethos.co/
- Vegan media & natural foods industries
- The #Conspirituality podcast & #DavidWolfe
03:42 What's Real?
- "The religion that governed my house was #bobdylan "
- Parents raised #Jewish, father became atheist, "7/11 jewish" mother
- Kicked out of hebrew school "one of my father's more proud moments"
- Living with dad after parents split
- Child of the 80's "you're on your own journey"
- Constantine Sandis https://youtu.be/iy0UdN7WTxc
- Becoming a mum
- Animals' different realities
- "We're the chosen people... an egregious statement... how can one group matter more?.. after so much suffering"
- #Israel & #palestine
- Fond memories of Jewish culture but "as a rule to live by... not at all"
- "this omnipresent god... directing every moment of my life... I wanted the autonomy"
- #Agnostic. Open to the idea of "some sort of god"
- #dogma
- The risks of the #wellness / #spirituality worlds. #antivaxx, #Qanon, #alternativemedicine
- Open-mindedness, evidence & gut-feel
- #DavidWolfe shows a #moonlanding #conspiracy video
- Distrust of authority
- Scepticism about vaccines didn't seem too serious "to each their own". Then #covid19 hits
- "I very much prefer to have science in my corner... but sometimes you can just tell"
- A denial, scepticism, gullibility spectrum?
- David Wolfe "leveraging science when it supported his narrative but slamming it when it didn't"
- Gossip as "a way to keep the tribal community safe"
- "Conspiracy theories... we use them unconsciously to defend ourselves"
32:10 What & Who Matters?
- "I don't think you need religion to know good from bad"
- @Sam Harris
- Raising a #vegan child "she asked what it was and I said that used to be a pig's stomach or back..."
- "She seems very much to understand that basic level of compassion"
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Thanks Graham.

Sep 30, 2022 • 1h 7min
129: "We gotta make friends... that's the path to liberation" - Matt Johnson - Direct Action Everywhere (DxE) - Sentientism
Matt is Press Coordinator and an investigator for Direct Action Everywhere (DxE). As part of his activism he has conducted animal farm investigations, been threatened with prison for rescuing farm animals from abuse and pranked NewsMax and FoxNews by posing as the CEO of Smithfield Foods – exposing to millions of viewers the damage their industry does to non-human animals, human animals and to the planet.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
02:50 Matt's Intro
- DxE press & investigations
03:28 Eyes open to animals
- Deer hunting uncles. "Factory farms everywhere" in Iowa
- 4 yrs old "I don't want to eat animals"
- Family push back
- A religious family "God gave us animals for food"
- Being "a silent vegetarian" at school... in secret... feeling shame
- "Good friends of mine... through 13 yrs of grade school... never knew I was vegetarian"
- An aunt: "you're going to die if you don't eat animals"
- Uncles painting a dead deer's nose red for Xmas
- "These people around me are monstrous"
- The dissonance of "be kind" messages in kindergarten
10:24 What's Real?
- "In adulthood I'm not a religious person"
- New atheists, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris
- As a child: "The ethics smacked me in the face" (Problem of Evil)
- As an adult "facts & rationality"
- Jehovah's Witness dad... "I was hating the prospect of doing the door to door evangelising"
- Shunning. It's worse where the JW community has more power
- "#Freewill is an illusion" so "I don't... have any anger towards anybody"
- JW "We have will, we make choices, but they're not 'free'". Removing #retribution from the justice system? #MoralLuck
- An investigation "As cruel a practice as you can imagine" #VentilationShutDown... "The COO shows up ... I was straining my free will determinism in that moment"
- "Guilt & shame can be useful"
25:11 What & Who Matters?
- #Utilitarianism ?
- "High-minded philosophical ideals... often used to launder right-wing ideas"
- "Sorry humans... but I have to put my energy towards the 99.99%"
- #Offsetting & totalising utilitarianism
- Animal agri as a core case most ethical systems should reject
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Thanks Graham.

Sep 25, 2022 • 1h 32min
128: "I'm so happy to be doing the right thing" - Alene Anello - Legal Impact for Chickens President & Founder - Sentientism
Alene is the President and Founder of Legal Impact for Chickens. She graduated from Harvard Law School, clerked for a federal judge and then started litigating for animals. She has worked at People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), the Animal Legal Defense Fund, and The Good Food Institute. Alene is licensed to practice law in New York, the District of Columbia, and California. Alene is committed to helping chickens to honor the memories of her two beloved avian family members, Conrad and Zeke.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
02:08 Alene's Intro
- "Making factory farm cruelty a liability... we sue companies for abusing animals on factory farms"
02:44 What's Real?
- Raised #atheist "they didn't teach me anything about god"
- A friend & camp counsellor talking about someone who is always watching you - even indoors!
- Mum: "Just don't argue with them because you don't want to make them upset"
- "I'm an atheist today... because I've never been encouraged to be religious I think I have a much more positive view of #religion "
- "It's kind of hard to know if anything's real... I don't feel like I have evidence of anything at all... even that I exist!"
- "I do assume there's ground I can walk on... that the things I see are real"
- "Day to day I live very much like a naturalistic person"
- "There's probably a world outside my body"
- Imperfect memory & perception & dreaming
- Arbitrary beliefs
- "How do I know my mind is functioning correctly?... it helps me have more empathy for people that think very differently"
- Risks & harms of bad epistemology
- #naturalism vs. #dogma vs. #fideism (#faith) vs. fake naturalism
22:25 What Matters?
- "#morality comes from psychology... humans just evolved morality... part of it comes from society"
- Descriptive & normative ethics
- Relativism
- "I have this intuitive sense that suffering is bad & joy is good"
- Utilitarianism
- Equality
- It's hard to convince a psychopath to be moral
- "Pick somebody who already cares about suffering... & show them how whoever I'm concerned about is suffering"
- #Consequentialism, #virtue ethics, #deontology, #feminist care ethics
- Offsetting one being's suffering with the flourishing of another?
- #pluralism
38:28 Who Matters?
- "I care about animals a lot"
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Thanks Graham.

Sep 18, 2022 • 1h 23min
127: "Sensitivity has driven me to understand" - Economist & Author Chaitanya Talreja - Sentientism
Chaitanya is Assistant Professor at the Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) in the Centre for Regulatory Policy and Governance. He has a PhD in Economics. Chaitanya’s research interests include economic development strategies in the global south, structural change, economic development and regulatory policy, urban economics, and non-anthropocentric strategies/alternatives to anthropocentric value systems in progress and conservation including food systems research (and maybe Sentientist Economics?)
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
01:42 Chaitanya's Intro
- Economics as a way to improve the world
03:45 What's Real?
- Growing up in a #sindhi family in India
- #pakistan , #india & partition
- Having a #hindu temple at home
- An #atheist father "he didn't believe in all those things" who turned to religion after a difficult time
- "I don't believe in god"
- "Religion has always been a tool to marginalise different sections of the society"
- Rejecting faith
- Degree, masters, PhD... "questioning things... critical thinking"
- Before then, unthinkingly accepting what had been told
- "The way you think has real impact on society"
- "There are several ways of living life and one has agency"
- Evidence & reason, ethical & systemic critiques of religion
- "It's a very hard task to grasp reality"
- "I would rather... analyse things around me as they are"
- #pluralism m
- Naturalistic views of relatedness & interconnectedness
- Finding a balance between defeatist humility & arrogant hubris
22:54 What Matters?
- Being sensitive, as a child, to humans & non-humans
- Growing up in a patriarchal society
- "Not cheating, working hard... stopping at red lights"
26:49 Who Matters?
- Sindhis typically eat meat, but father said "I always felt it was not the right thing to do"
- Buying meat from a public slaughterhouse "I did not feel comfortable but I used to love it [eating meat]"
- Family gatherings centred around #meat "everyone around me was relishing... & my father was telling me this is not the right thing to do"
- Fighting about eating meat at 4-5 years old
- Visiting the #slaughterhouse "this is where it comes from"
- #sentience & the dangers of human-defined moral scope...
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Thanks Graham.

Sep 10, 2022 • 1h 11min
126: "I've always identified with the 'Other'" - Adrian Tchaikovsky - Sci-Fi/Fantasy Author - Sentientism
Adrian is a multi-award winning fantasy and science fiction author. He is known best for his series Shadows of the Apt and for his novel Children of Time. Children of Time was awarded the 30th Arthur C. Clarke Award in 2016.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
00:00 Preview!
00:55 Welcome
02:15 Adrian's Intro
- "I write books about giant spiders from outer space"
03:45 What's Real?
- "I'm very much on the science end"
- "We weren't a religious household"
- US/UK religiosity
- "A fascination with the natural world"
- Dabbling w/#spirituality "It's amazing how many people have been King Arthur"
- "I believed in every damn thing... desperate to find the 'other'"
- "The people who want to believe don't examine it"
- "Still... looking for that strange but within a scientific boundary"
- #aliens
- #evolution
- "I am pretty much entirely naturalistic"
- #briancox
- #homeopathy & "special cases"
- #scientificmethod
- Tech & magic. Apt & Inapt
- #telepathy , #psychics, #ghosts "people are out there trying to fake it is... tangential evidence that it is not real"
- "I'm not saying 'this cannot be' but I am saying 'show it to me'"
- "There is no supernatural"
- Do extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?
- #cryptids
- "I don't want to be fooled by some... snake-oil salesman"
- "There's a weird sort of science cosplay going on"
- Folklore, fiction, speculation, narrative "this is a long way from saying 'this is the case'
29:15 What Matters?
- "Try to do no harm & don't be a dick"
- The Golden Rule & improvements
- Autism, pronouns... considering others
- Freedom & constraints on freedom
- "Being considerate & egalitarian... if you have the luck & the resources to be able to"
- "I get my morality from other people"
- "I could so easily have fallen in with a very different group of people"
- Divine command theory, relativism, nihilism, egoism
- "Science can be mis-used... race theory for example"
- "Religion defaults to a faith-based argument that effectively is not an argument"
- "I accept the theory of relativity but I don't understand it"
- Studying animal behaviour: Skinnerian behaviourism: "Animals... can't really feel pain"
- Animal intelligence. Spiders dreaming
- Phil of mind: #Illusionism, eliminativism, #panpsychism
- Origins of sentience "those are the things that make life do what it does"
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Thanks Graham.

Sep 2, 2022 • 2h 12min
125: "Religion is at the intersection of everything I care about" - YouTuber & Podcaster Emerson Green - Sentientism
Emerson is the host of the Counter Apologetics & Walden Pod podcasts, focusing mostly on religion, atheism and consciousness. Both are also available on his Emerson Green YouTube channel. You can find all his links here.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
01:32 Emerson's Intro
- Podcasting as a relationship saver :)
- Counter Apologetics (#religion & #atheism)
- Walden Pod (#consciousness & #panpsychism )
- "Religion is at the intersection of practically everything I care about"
05:01 What's Real?
- Raised as a #youngearth #creationist Christian, sheltered from science & philosophy
- Now atheist, "maybe beginning to lean #agnostic "
- Attending #apologetics Camp "this is the defence! I don't believe in god"
- @Answers in Genesis "they do try to give scientific & philosophical arguments"
- "Young Earth Creationism is one of the wrongest things you could propose"
- "A book from god seems like a pretty solid epistemic source"
- "The universe... is really not 6000 years old"
- Mum is a professor at an Xtian university
- "It's wrong to say they're #anti-science exactly"
- "I learned about evolution later & was blown away"
- "I was blown away by how bad the Bible was... morally"
- The failure of prayer
- #mormonism & the "Under The Banner of Prayer" film. The risks of thinking god is speaking to you
- "The mainstream Xtian narrative... is just basically incoherent"
- Hell & the #problemofevil vs. a just, good, god. #Theodicy
- Historical contingency, religious diversity
- "If they were born in India they'd probably be Hindus"
- "I was very angry for a while... felt like I'd been lied to"
- The psychological shock of deconverting
- "If I could choose to be believe I would... just for the sake of my mum"
- The distress of family & friends
- Hidden atheism within religious communities & even pastors
- Shunning e.g. "gay homeless teenagers around Salt Lake City"
- Natural #theology
- #Fideism & faith vs. "everyone I know has reasons"
- Philip Goff & secular religion
- @Bart D. Ehrman
- Naturalism & the natural world as "common ground"
- Usage vs. definitions
- Conservative/scientific & moderate/abstract & liberal naturalisms vs. supernaturalism
- "Sometimes I self-deprecatingy call myself a 'spooky naturalist'"
- "Here's what we know from science - is that all there is?"
- @Sean Carroll
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Thanks Graham.

Sep 2, 2022 • 1h 30min
124: "People can't not eat free vegan food!" - Pearl Monique Cole Brunt - Sentientism
Pearl describes herself as “poly-vocational”. She is a foreign relations & management consultant with an MA in International Relations & an MBA in International Business. She is a vegan whole foods advocate via her “Le Twisted Spoon” club. Pearl is also a community organiser, public speaker & sometimes a political candidate!
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
01:17 Pearl's Intro
- Foreign relations consulting & #vegan activism
02:55 What's Real?
- Growing up in #kansas USA
- A traditional African-American household
- "There's a connection between people clinging to religion & #poverty"
- "This disparity between what was taught on Sunday and what people practiced throughout the week"
- "Unsavoury" behaviour by church leaders
- Poverty, moving frequently, homeless shelters
- Church charity (food, paying bills)
- "As an adult I feel much more #spiritual & less religious"
- "If it didn't make sense to me I had a problem with it"... Santa Claus etc.
- Open-minded mum
- Church corruption & money "You have to pay to pray"
- Disparities in the #bible
- Churches teaching Jesus but not following his example
- "Everything was taken away from the people who came over [slavery] and it was replaced with this [Christianity]"
- "I still believe there's something higher than myself"
- Christianity's role in colonialism
- #religion 's allure for those suffering ("your suffering in this life doesn't matter because *heaven*!"). "A lot of really bad things have been allowed to happen because of that principle..."
- Compassion vs. status, in-out groups, hierarchy
- Three experiences "I have zero explanation for that"
- "Is there someone bigger than myself that clearly loves me - I know that for sure"
- The problems of suffering & unanswered prayers "It doesn't add up rationally"
- "The kind of god I want to worship & love wouldn't behave in that way"
- Jesus' teachings vs. Jesus as a god
- Husband became #christian by listening to Christian radio in Paris
- Church food banks & real help
- "I don't think that maybe 'Christian' is the right term to describe myself these days"
- Even #jesus threatened non-believers with hell
- Child abuse in religious groups. Risks of authority/power/groupishness
46:03 What and Who Matters?
- Growing up - "family matters"
- "If you have something you should share it"
- "Unless you piss me off" :)
- US Marine Corps scholarship & a sense of nationality
- Justice & equality
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Thanks Graham.

Aug 10, 2022 • 58min
123: "Let's make a world with less suffering today!" Ingrid Newkirk - PETA founder and president - Sentientism
Ingrid is an animal activist and the president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), the world’s largest animal rights organization. She is the author of several books, including "The PETA Practical Guide to Animal Rights", "Animalkind" and the 30th anniversary new edition of "Freeing The Animals". Ingrid has worked for the animal-protection movement since 1972. She has been given the following awards: Washingtonian of the Year, 1980; Courage of Conscience Award, 1995; Shining World Compassion Award, 2007; Ahimsa Award, 2014 and the Peter Singer Prize for Strategies to Reduce the Suffering of Animals, 2016.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
01:24 Ingrid's Intro
- Building PETA, the world's largest animal advocacy organisation
- Writing 14 books including "Free The Animals" about the Animal Liberation Front
03:39 What's Real?
- "We are all creatures of our upbringing"
- A strict, "victorian" father & a very kind mother
- "I was shipped out to boarding school & raised by some disciplinarian nuns"
- Nuns took out their bitterness on the "little rich girls" in their care
- Rejecting the nuns' oppression helped motivate Ingrid to be rebellious, to fight for the powerless & seek justice
- Earliest memory: Family dog "was like my brother"
- Church on Sunday, but "it never really stuck with me"
- Being lured into religiosity, but "it was a passing phase"
- "I rejected what the nuns said because they were so ghastly"
- Roman Catholicism. Praying at 6am every morning, "a lot of silence"
- "We didn't respect the nuns... they were barbaric... even of the little kids... 5 & 6 year olds who would cry themselves to sleep"
- A visiting Jesuit priest got one of the school-girls pregnant
- "For a while I would cross the road if I saw a nun coming the other direction"
- Later re-engaging with Christianity (bible, church)... "ultimately I completely rejected it... it made no sense at all... if there is a god it's... a cruel god or a powerless god"
- Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
- "I'm not afraid to say I'm an atheist"
- "Ricky Gervais & Bill Maher... are not kowtowing... are not intimidated"
- The imperative to speak out (where others can't)
- Being told to accept "mystery" on face value, "absurd" stories & blind faith
- Lisa Kemmerer's views on religious compassion for non-human animals
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Thanks Graham.

Aug 1, 2022 • 1h 43min
122: From dairy farmer to animal activist - Vegan FTA's Jackie Norman - Sentientism
Jackie is a former dairy & beef farmer turned full-time animal rights advocate. She is head of communications and a founding board member for the global non-profit, Vegan FTA (For The Animals). She also co-hosts their podcast and live shows. Jackie is also an author and public speaker.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
00:00 Welcome
- Jordi Casamitjana (https://youtu.be/vtCwoq1XnUg) as a "vegan godfather" :)
02:28 Jackie's Intro
- From beef & dairy farming to animal advocacy & veganism
- Erin Wing (https://youtu.be/NAh1kLrp99Y)
04:20 What's Real?
- Growing up in a UK village in the 1970's
- Naturalist Gilbert White "England's first ecologist?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_White
- Christian community & school "If you're good to go to heaven & if you're bad Satan's going to get you"... "Nobody ever questioned it"
- Fitting in & FOMO "everybody went to church on Sunday"
- Joining the church choir, but not being religious
- Losing son Luke at 2 days old
- "If god loves us all... how come there are all these bad things happening?"
- "Any shred of belief I ever had... just went straight out the window"
- Spirituality? Unexplained things... a clock starting without batteries... "things happening for a reason?"
- "Maybe there's something greater out there... not god"
- Exploring Buddhism after going vegan "All you have to do is just be kind"
- Meditation & Yoga
- "There is such synergy between veganism & Buddhism"
30:38 What Matters?
- Good: "Not being mean... not killing" vs. god compliance
- "I don't think there is a hell..." except for what we do to non-human animals
- Sons coming home from Xtian school saying "god's going to strike me down!"
- Being most authentic & open at times when "I had nothing"
- Buddhism "has taught me not to judge other people... I get a lot of peace from it... being kind."
- "Being compassionate towards yourself is the hardest thing to do"
- Dairy farming: "What they are doing is evil... but you can't write them off as being inherently evil"
- "Everyone's got a reason for being the way that they are"
41:50 Who Matters?
- Killing a spider, terrified, at 8 yrs old, then feeling "mortified that I had ended that life... that's never left me"
- Husband Gareth carries a card to rescue bees with
- Reading an IWAF leaflet about seal culling
- Going vegetarian in 1987 after a Viva campaign on factory farming
- "I couldn't believe that humans could be so cruel"
- Father going shooting, being attacked by animal activists
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info.
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Thanks Graham.