

Lazy Leverage
Jon Matzner and Peter Lohmann
Talking about using leverage in life and business.
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Jul 31, 2025 • 1h 3min
The StoryBrand Framework: Why Your Marketing Message Is Confusing Everyone | Lazy Leverage #67
Wes Gay, a StoryBrand certified consultant with nearly a decade of experience, joins the discussion to unravel the mysteries of effective marketing messaging. He highlights the seven-part StoryBrand framework that puts the customer as the hero and your business as the guide. Through relatable examples, he shares how clarity can boost engagement, like a simple button change leading to a 40% increase in leads. Wes also emphasizes identifying ideal customers to drive business growth, showcasing how tailored messaging can transform brands into customer-centric powerhouses.

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Jul 24, 2025 • 43min
Why Your AI and Automation Projects Keep Failing (And How to Actually Make Them Work) | Lazy Leverage #66
In this insightful discussion, Brian Wilson, a retired Marine Corps Major and head of Sagan's Knowledge and Automation group, reveals why businesses often fail in AI and automation projects. He emphasizes the need for simplicity before complexity, advocating for straightforward solutions over expensive tech. Brian shares his experiences in training sessions, highlighting how focusing on fundamental skills beats shiny tools. The conversation also introduces "skill sprints," aimed at building practical automation habits through teamwork and daily challenges.

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Jul 22, 2025 • 1h 7min
The Reality of Small Business Litigation: Defense, Offense, and Everything In Between | Lazy Leverage #65
Jon and Peter dive into the often-ignored stress of small business litigation. They share tips on distinguishing between real threats and empty bluster from would-be litigants. Discover why the longest legal wallet often wins, and learn practical strategies for responding to legal threats. The duo emphasizes the power of staying calm and professional, plus why an employee handbook can be a lifesaver. They also touch on the rarity of suing offensively and how AI could change the legal landscape for small businesses.

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Jul 16, 2025 • 47min
Don’t Just Solve the Problem - Solve It Forever | Lazy Leverage #64
Taking a month off revealed incredible insights about leadership and the resilience of his business systems. Structured breaks not only test team readiness but also rekindle the joy in meaningful work. The conversation shifts to the Danaher Problem Solving Process, a systematic approach that helps identify root causes of issues. Discover how to create lasting solutions through effective communication and accountability, ensuring your team tackles problems at their core, rather than just scratching the surface.

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Jul 3, 2025 • 35min
Looking Beyond VAs: Building Leaders, Not Just Task-Doers | Lazy Leverage #63
Bin Doss, Sagan’s newly appointed managing director, shares her journey from virtual assistant to leader, emphasizing the importance of reframing roles. She and Jon discuss the vital difference between delegation and development, shedding light on why traditional onboarding can hinder retention. They explore the concept of 'quiet ambition' and how title inflation doesn’t equate to real leadership. Doss also introduces Sagan's Global Talent 101, a bootcamp aimed at minimizing ramp-up times and fostering effective communication in global teams.

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Jun 19, 2025 • 42min
Architecting Work: The Blueprint for Scale, Sanity, and Leverage | Lazy Leverage #62
Jon and Peter dive into the art of architecting workflows to boost efficiency and accountability. They highlight the importance of defining what 'done' looks like and stress the value of underrated tools like forms and task maps. Policy courage is discussed, revealing how enforcing structure can lead to long-term gains. The conversation includes examples of workflow refinements that yield significant results. Ultimately, it's about intentional delegation, clear communication, and leading with purpose.

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May 28, 2025 • 55min
The 4-Level System That Lets You Take a Month Off Every Year | Lazy Leverage #61
Explore the philosophy of leverage as a foundational element for business success. Discover 'Matt's Hierarchy of Leverage,' which emphasizes thoughtful delegation and smart systems over mere tech fads. Learn how to reposition your energy towards more impactful work while navigating the challenges of automation and talent management. Hear reflections on taking a month off and integrating AI without sacrificing the human touch. Embrace the long-term benefits of disciplined execution over fleeting trends.

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May 22, 2025 • 49min
Trust at Scale: How Content Compounds When You Do It Right | Lazy Leverage #60
Discover the power of focusing on niche audiences instead of chasing clicks in content creation. Jon and Peter discuss transforming media from a vanity metric to a trust-building engine. They argue that one engaged viewer can be more valuable than thousands of passive ones. The conversation shifts to the evolving landscape of social media and the role of short-form video, balancing authenticity with engagement. Tune in for insights on maximizing creativity through intentional content and creating genuine connections with your audience.

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May 15, 2025 • 58min
The Hidden Power of Low Leverage (And How to Use It Strategically) | Lazy Leverage #59
Explore the concept of the 'Low Leverage Advantage' that emphasizes hands-on work over delegation, especially in the early stages of a career. Discover why personal engagement is crucial, not just professionally but also in family life. Understand the importance of documenting your journey and how consistent networking can unlock new opportunities. Delve into the value of constructive debates, leveraging AI for competitive analysis, and enhancing communication. Finally, hear insights on effective use of dictation tools to streamline productivity.

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May 5, 2025 • 44min
Why Your Business Problems Are Actually Leadership Problems (And How to Fix Them) | Lazy Leverage #58
Many small business owners mistakenly believe leadership is instinctual. However, effective leadership must be taught and practiced. Creating psychological safety and fostering empowerment is crucial for team success. Weekly meetings for emerging leaders can prepare future managers to handle challenges confidently. A positive business culture thrives on trust and open communication. Real leadership is about enabling others to grow while balancing accountability with empathy. Ultimately, investing in leadership development is key to scaling any business.