

Lazy Leverage
Jon Matzner and Peter Lohmann
Talking about using leverage in life and business.
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Oct 28, 2025 • 51min
Why Strategic Partnerships Beat Membership Drives | Lazy Leverage #77
Jon and Peter dive into the power of strategic partnerships, emphasizing how one deal can outweigh months of traditional membership drives. They discuss the difference between systems thinkers and deal-makers, showcasing how the latter can create significant leverage. Vehicle selection within industries is highlighted, as they encourage operators to explore adjacent models for maximizing potential. The duo also shares practical tactics for capitalizing on opportunities, and reflect on the dynamics of community building at conferences.

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Oct 23, 2025 • 31min
The New Manager's Dilemma: Why You Can't Review Every Email | Lazy Leverage #76
Priscilla Montenegro de Nicaragua, a first-time manager at Sagan, delves into the challenges of transitioning from contributor to manager while seeking coaching from Jon. They discuss the danger of micromanagement and the importance of selective oversight, introducing the Marine Corps concept of 'directed telescopes.' The duo distinguishes between acceptable 'aggressive mistakes' and unacceptable 'sloppy mistakes.' Jon emphasizes training her team to anticipate her standards rather than reviewing every email, aiming for a strong collective accountability.

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Oct 21, 2025 • 52min
Building Software Your Team Actually Uses | Lazy Leverage #75
Unlocking the power of AI for small businesses is the focus here. Internal tools trump personal productivity hacks, offering the greatest potential. Jon shares how he transformed hiring processes, screening thousands of applicants in seconds. The hosts advocate for custom tools tailored to unique workflows instead of conforming to existing software. They emphasize identifying business constraints and using AI to solve them, from screening to property management outreach. The conversation concludes with practical applications of AI that cut costs and boost efficiency.

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Oct 15, 2025 • 46min
The Crane Break: Why Taking a Month Off Reveals Everything Wrong With Your Business | Lazy Leverage #74
Stepping away from your business can reveal all the operational flaws you never noticed. The Crane Break strategy is about taking a month off to expose bottlenecks and dependencies. By planning your absence in advance, you create urgency to solve issues, achieving more time freedom. The conversation emphasizes that businesses should serve their owners, pushing you to prioritize your needs. As transaction costs drop, new business models emerge, enabling growth through innovative outsourcing and tech.

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Oct 1, 2025 • 43min
The High-Pay Debate: When to Invest in Expensive Talent | Lazy Leverage #73
Jon and Peter passionately debate their hiring philosophies. Jon advocates for developing entry-level talent, drawing inspiration from Marine Corps culture, while Peter favors hiring proven professionals for immediate impact. They discuss the value of business coaches, with Jon skeptical of their effectiveness compared to Peter’s appreciation for external guidance. The conversation also touches on balancing immediate results with long-term cultural fit, and how predictable revenue can allow for bigger bets on higher-cost hires. Their insights reveal a nuanced approach to team building.

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Sep 12, 2025 • 1h
Why Your Team's AI Tools Are Still Just Fancy Shovels (And How to Force the Bulldozer) | Lazy Leverage #72
Join Jon Matzner, co-founder of Sagan, as he dives into the world of AI in small businesses. The discussion covers how founders can effectively streamline operations through meaningful AI adoption. Jon emphasizes differentiating between tactical and strategic AI use to create real value. He also highlights the need for a strong vision and trust within teams, while navigating leadership challenges. Practical tips on integrating AI tools and fostering innovation are shared, providing listeners with actionable insights for transforming workflows.

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Sep 5, 2025 • 52min
From Wall Street to Water Heaters: The Counterintuitive Playbook for 4x Growth in 3 Years | Lazy Leverage #71
Aizik Zimerman, Owner and CEO of J Blanton Plumbing, transformed the company from $6 million to a $25 million run rate in just three years. He boldly claims his business isn't plumbing, but rather a consumer sales and marketing venture. Aizik shares his strategy of leveraging global talent to combat the skilled labor shortage, allowing him to pay technicians above market rates. He also discusses the importance of obsession in business and advocates for organic growth over acquisitions, pushing the boundaries of traditional plumbing practices with innovative marketing strategies.

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Aug 29, 2025 • 41min
Why Cold Calling Property Owners is Like Asking if Their Pipes are Leaking | Lazy Leverage #70
Discover why cold calling property owners feels like asking if their pipes are leaking. The hosts discuss the stark differences in marketing strategies for property management versus timely home services. They explore innovative approaches to reduce customer acquisition costs and the unique challenges in attracting clients. From engaging webinars to understanding buyer behavior, the conversation sheds light on the complexities of property management marketing. Tune in for insights on adapting strategies and mastering communication with potential clients.

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Aug 15, 2025 • 49min
Why Your 100-Person Newsletter Beats a 100,000-Person Audience (And Commands 10x the Price) | Lazy Leverage #69
The hosts explore why smaller, niche newsletters can outperform larger audiences in driving conversions. They discuss the decline of interrupt marketing and the rise of high-trust communities, emphasizing that engaged groups yield more valuable interactions. Authenticity in messaging is highlighted as a key factor for success, alongside the need for targeted content in a competitive landscape. The conversation delves into the importance of personal connections and how niche markets can enhance monetization opportunities.

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Aug 9, 2025 • 40min
A Peak into Strategy - Good or Bad Idea? | Lazy Leverage #68
Jon and Peter brainstorm a unique business concept: purchasing luxury vacation properties to provide members with steep discounts while leveraging tax benefits. They debate the viability of this idea, weighing the potential operational challenges against the allure of premium offerings. The discussion touches on balancing creativity with structured strategy and the importance of effective property management. They also delve into the complexities of short-term rentals in regulated areas and the benefits of a membership model for family travelers.


