

Lazy Leverage
Jon Matzner and Peter Lohmann
Talking about using leverage in life and business.
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Sep 12, 2025 • 1h
Why Your Team's AI Tools Are Still Just Fancy Shovels (And How to Force the Bulldozer) | Lazy Leverage #71
Join Jon Matzner, co-founder of Sagan, as he dives into the world of AI in small businesses. The discussion covers how founders can effectively streamline operations through meaningful AI adoption. Jon emphasizes differentiating between tactical and strategic AI use to create real value. He also highlights the need for a strong vision and trust within teams, while navigating leadership challenges. Practical tips on integrating AI tools and fostering innovation are shared, providing listeners with actionable insights for transforming workflows.

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Sep 5, 2025 • 52min
From Wall Street to Water Heaters: The Counterintuitive Playbook for 4x Growth in 3 Years | Lazy Leverage #71
Aizik Zimerman, Owner and CEO of J Blanton Plumbing, transformed the company from $6 million to a $25 million run rate in just three years. He boldly claims his business isn't plumbing, but rather a consumer sales and marketing venture. Aizik shares his strategy of leveraging global talent to combat the skilled labor shortage, allowing him to pay technicians above market rates. He also discusses the importance of obsession in business and advocates for organic growth over acquisitions, pushing the boundaries of traditional plumbing practices with innovative marketing strategies.

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Aug 29, 2025 • 41min
Why Cold Calling Property Owners is Like Asking if Their Pipes are Leaking | Lazy Leverage #70
Discover why cold calling property owners feels like asking if their pipes are leaking. The hosts discuss the stark differences in marketing strategies for property management versus timely home services. They explore innovative approaches to reduce customer acquisition costs and the unique challenges in attracting clients. From engaging webinars to understanding buyer behavior, the conversation sheds light on the complexities of property management marketing. Tune in for insights on adapting strategies and mastering communication with potential clients.

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Aug 15, 2025 • 49min
Why Your 100-Person Newsletter Beats a 100,000-Person Audience (And Commands 10x the Price) | Lazy Leverage #69
The hosts explore why smaller, niche newsletters can outperform larger audiences in driving conversions. They discuss the decline of interrupt marketing and the rise of high-trust communities, emphasizing that engaged groups yield more valuable interactions. Authenticity in messaging is highlighted as a key factor for success, alongside the need for targeted content in a competitive landscape. The conversation delves into the importance of personal connections and how niche markets can enhance monetization opportunities.

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Aug 9, 2025 • 40min
A Peak into Strategy - Good or Bad Idea? | Lazy Leverage #68
Jon and Peter brainstorm a unique business concept: purchasing luxury vacation properties to provide members with steep discounts while leveraging tax benefits. They debate the viability of this idea, weighing the potential operational challenges against the allure of premium offerings. The discussion touches on balancing creativity with structured strategy and the importance of effective property management. They also delve into the complexities of short-term rentals in regulated areas and the benefits of a membership model for family travelers.

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Jul 31, 2025 • 1h 3min
The StoryBrand Framework: Why Your Marketing Message Is Confusing Everyone | Lazy Leverage #67
Wes Gay, a StoryBrand certified consultant with nearly a decade of experience, joins the discussion to unravel the mysteries of effective marketing messaging. He highlights the seven-part StoryBrand framework that puts the customer as the hero and your business as the guide. Through relatable examples, he shares how clarity can boost engagement, like a simple button change leading to a 40% increase in leads. Wes also emphasizes identifying ideal customers to drive business growth, showcasing how tailored messaging can transform brands into customer-centric powerhouses.

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Jul 24, 2025 • 43min
Why Your AI and Automation Projects Keep Failing (And How to Actually Make Them Work) | Lazy Leverage #66
In this insightful discussion, Brian Wilson, a retired Marine Corps Major and head of Sagan's Knowledge and Automation group, reveals why businesses often fail in AI and automation projects. He emphasizes the need for simplicity before complexity, advocating for straightforward solutions over expensive tech. Brian shares his experiences in training sessions, highlighting how focusing on fundamental skills beats shiny tools. The conversation also introduces "skill sprints," aimed at building practical automation habits through teamwork and daily challenges.

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Jul 22, 2025 • 1h 7min
The Reality of Small Business Litigation: Defense, Offense, and Everything In Between | Lazy Leverage #65
Jon and Peter dive into the often-ignored stress of small business litigation. They share tips on distinguishing between real threats and empty bluster from would-be litigants. Discover why the longest legal wallet often wins, and learn practical strategies for responding to legal threats. The duo emphasizes the power of staying calm and professional, plus why an employee handbook can be a lifesaver. They also touch on the rarity of suing offensively and how AI could change the legal landscape for small businesses.

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Jul 16, 2025 • 47min
Don’t Just Solve the Problem - Solve It Forever | Lazy Leverage #64
Taking a month off revealed incredible insights about leadership and the resilience of his business systems. Structured breaks not only test team readiness but also rekindle the joy in meaningful work. The conversation shifts to the Danaher Problem Solving Process, a systematic approach that helps identify root causes of issues. Discover how to create lasting solutions through effective communication and accountability, ensuring your team tackles problems at their core, rather than just scratching the surface.

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Jul 3, 2025 • 35min
Looking Beyond VAs: Building Leaders, Not Just Task-Doers | Lazy Leverage #63
Bin Doss, Sagan’s newly appointed managing director, shares her journey from virtual assistant to leader, emphasizing the importance of reframing roles. She and Jon discuss the vital difference between delegation and development, shedding light on why traditional onboarding can hinder retention. They explore the concept of 'quiet ambition' and how title inflation doesn’t equate to real leadership. Doss also introduces Sagan's Global Talent 101, a bootcamp aimed at minimizing ramp-up times and fostering effective communication in global teams.