
What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future
Every Friday and Sunday, Slate’s popular daily news podcast What Next brings you TBD, a clear-eyed look into the future. From fake news to fake meat, algorithms to augmented reality, Lizzie O’Leary is your guide to the tech industry and the world it’s creating for us to live in.
Latest episodes

Mar 28, 2025 • 34min
We Made a Memecoin
Memecoins are a niche type of cryptocurrency with no intrinsic value. But they remain a popular form of crypto, as seen earlier this year with President Trump’s own memecoin. And if it worked for him, then why not our little podcast? Guests: Azeem Khan, advisor to UNICEF’s crypto fund and cocreator of the blockchain Morph.Nitish Pahwa, Slate staff writer covering business and tech.Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 23, 2025 • 32min
Bezos 2.0
During his first term, President Trump and Jeff Bezos openly sparred with each other. During this second administration, though, it seems like Bezos is trying to endear himself - and his companies - to the White House. So what changed?Guest: Dana Mattioli, reporter for the Wall Street Journal and the author of The Everything War: Amazon’s Ruthless Quest to Own the World and Remake Corporate Power.Special thanks to David Maraniss.Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 21, 2025 • 33min
Trump's War on Scientific Research
The National Institutes of Health is the primary engine of biomedical research around the world, which makes the Trump administration's dramatic cuts to its grant program both confusing and potentially incredibly harmful.Guest: Katherine J. Wu, staff writer for the Atlantic.Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 16, 2025 • 33min
How Trump Is Trying to Kill Press Freedom
With a Trump-friendly Supreme Court and a contentious relationship with the press, could Donald Trump follow through on his 2016 campaign goal of making it easier to sue media companies for libel—and imperil America’s free press?Guest: David Enrich, business investigations editor at the New York Times and author of “Murder The Truth.”Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 14, 2025 • 30min
Will Tesla Survive Elon Musk?
The public’s anger towards Elon Musk and DOGE has found an outlet in the form of Musk’s car company Tesla. How long can the company put up with a sinking reputation and stock price? Guest: Pranshu Verma, tech reporter for the Washington Post. Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen.Podcast production by Evan Campbell and Patrick Fort. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 9, 2025 • 33min
Zuckerberg and the Post-Factcheck Era
After the election, Mark Zuckerberg announced that he was doing away with Facebook’s fact-checking apparatus in the US. With content creators getting paid based on reach, and content spreading wider and faster the more extreme it is, is Facebook the perfect environment for misinformation to flourish? Guest: Craig Silverman, technology reporter for ProPublica.Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Mar 7, 2025 • 34min
From 4Chan to Charlottesville to DOGE
Elle Reeve, a CNN correspondent known for her insights on far-right movements and the 2017 Unite the Right rally, dives deep into the digital roots of extremism. She discusses the alarming shift from online trolling to real-world violence, particularly at Charlottesville. Reeve connects the evolution of communities like 4chan to the rise of ideologies that now permeate mainstream discourse. The conversation also highlights how these online dynamics influence political narratives today, especially regarding the Trump administration and beyond.

Mar 2, 2025 • 25min
Cracking the Egg Crisis
Dr. Jada Thompson, an agricultural economics expert from the University of Arkansas, dives into the causes behind skyrocketing egg prices. She explains how a bird flu outbreak decimated poultry, leading to severe supply shortages. The discussion also touches on the strategies used to manage the crisis, including culling and biosecurity measures, and highlights the unusual price discrepancies between eggs and chicken. Dr. Thompson offers insights into the future of egg pricing and the challenges that lie ahead for the industry.

Feb 28, 2025 • 31min
The DOGE Resistance
Ryan Mac, a tech reporter at the New York Times and co-author of "Character Limit: How Elon Musk Destroyed Twitter," dives into the turmoil within the U.S. Digital Service following mass resignations over leadership changes. He discusses the challenges of transparency and accountability amidst pressure from new directives. The conversation also covers the political repercussions of these events, the role of social media in shaping public perception, and the looming threat of a government shutdown, all in the shadow of Musk’s influence.

Feb 23, 2025 • 28min
$Trump
David Yaffe-Bellany, a reporter from The New York Times covering cryptocurrency, dives deep into the complex ties between Donald Trump and the crypto world. They discuss the extravagant crypto ball before Trump's inauguration, where moguls mingled with political elites. The launch of the 'Trump' memecoin sparks excitement among investors but raises questions about speculation and legitimacy. Yaffe-Bellany also examines regulatory challenges facing the industry and the systemic risks posed by meme coins in the volatile market.