CleanLaw

HLS Environmental & Energy Law Program
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Mar 23, 2025 • 37min

Ep 101—Who Will Pay for Data Centers’ Massive Power Bills? It’s Probably You.

Eliza Martin, an EELP Fellow at Harvard Law School, joins Ari Peskoe to discuss the financial implications of data centers on utility rates. They unveil how tech giants like Amazon and Google negotiate attractive power rates, affecting everyday consumers. The duo highlights the hidden costs passed to residential ratepayers through opaque contracts and raises concerns about the expansion of infrastructure. They also examine the complex relationship between data centers and utility companies, particularly the environmental and financial challenges posed by co-location with nuclear plants.
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Feb 13, 2025 • 59min

Ep 100—Trump’s Bold Reversal on Energy and Climate Policy: ‘It’s a Lot’

EELP founding director and Harvard Law Professor Jody Freeman speaks with Harvard Law Professor Richard Lazarus, Andy Mergen, director of the Harvard Law Emmett Environmental Law and Policy Clinic, and Carrie Jenks, executive director of the Environmental and Energy Law Program. They discuss the Trump administration’s actions to date on climate, energy, environment, and natural resources and break down which actions have an immediate effect, what will take time, and what they will be watching for, including actions affecting the federal workforce. They also discuss why the practice and study of law matter now more than ever. Transcript at https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/CleanLaw_EP100-Transcript.pdf Our analysis of the Trump administration's initial executive orders https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/trumps-environmental-and-energy-executive-orders-initial-insights-and-what-were-watching/ Our rollback resources https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/topic/rollback-resources/ Our Regulatory Tracker https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/tracker-type/regulatory-tracker/ Our Federal Environmental Justice Tracker https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/tracker-type/environmental-justice-tracker/
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Dec 2, 2024 • 42min

Ep 99—Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, Part II: Environmental Justice Lawyering in Practice

EELP senior staff attorney Hannah Perls speaks with speaks with Debbie Chizewer and Nick Leonard about environmental justice lawyering, including leveraging Title VI of the Civil Rights Act on behalf of frontline communities. Debbie Chizewer is a managing attorney with Earthjustice based in Chicago, where she leads the organization's Midwest litigation strategy. Nick Leonard is the executive director of the Great Lakes Environmental Law Center based in Detroit, which provides legal representation to communities across Michigan. This is the second episode in a 2-part series on Title VI. Transcript at https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/CleanLaw_EP99.pdf Links mentioned in episode: Episode I in this series https://soundcloud.com/user-995691545/ep-9860-years-of-title-vi-of-the-civil-rights-act-part-1-la-v-epa Great Lakes Environmental Law Center https://glelc.org/ Earthjustice Midwest Office https://earthjustice.org/office/midwest CARE v. EPA, No. 4:15-03292-SBA (N.D. Cal.) https://earthjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/114.20order20032030202018.pdf US Ecology Agreement between Michigan EGLE and Complainants https://www.sierraclub.org/sites/default/files/2024-08/title-vi-use-north-2024-08-29-title-vi-complaint-agreement-complaint-no-20-001-d-use-north-final_.pdf
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Oct 25, 2024 • 40min

Ep 98—60 Years of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, Part 1: LA v EPA

EELP Senior Staff Attorney Hannah Perls speaks with Olatunde Johnson, the Ruth Bader Ginsburg Professor of Law at Columbia Law School. Professor Johnson and Hannah discuss the history and evolution of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, a crucial legal tool for the environmental justice movement. Earlier this year, a federal judge blocked EPA and the Department of Justice from enforcing their Title VI rules prohibiting actions that disparately impact communities of color in the state of Louisiana, and now those rules are at risk of being struck down nationwide.   This is the first episode in a 2-part series on Title VI. Transcript at https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/CleanLaw_EP98.pdf Links mentioned in show: Louisiana v EPA - https://earthjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/2024.08.22-cain-judgement.pdf Our podcast on the "Quagmire Quartet" Suite of Supreme Court Decisions Undermine Administrative Law -https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/cleanlaw-suite-of-supreme-court-decisions-undermine-administrative-law/ Petition for Rulemaking on Title VI from Republican-led Attorneys General - https://www.myfloridalegal.com/sites/default/files/2024-04/epa-title-vi-comment-final.pdf Response to Petition for Rulemaking from Environmental Justice and Civil Rights Groups - https://www.nclc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2024.09.04_Letter_Title-VI-Response-cover-letter-executive-summary-response-letter.pdf Democratic AGs’ Response to the Petition for Rulemaking - https://stateimpactcenter.org/files/AG_Actions_NY_Response_FL_Rulemaking_Petition_9.5.24.pdf Olatunde C. Johnson, Lawyering That Has No Name: Title VI and the Meaning of Private Enforcement, 66 Stan. L. Rev. 1293 (2014). - https://scholarship.law.columbia.edu/faculty_scholarship/1094/
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Aug 22, 2024 • 45min

Monumental Decisions: The Antiquities Act and Presidential Authority

EELP senior staff attorney Sara Dewey speaks with Andy Mergen, Faculty Director of the Emmett Environmental Law and Policy Clinic at Harvard Law School and former chief of the Appellate Section of the Environment & Natural Resources Division at the Department of Justice. Andy and Sara discuss the origin and evolution of presidential authority to designate national monuments under the Antiquities Act, how Congress and the courts have responded to these designations over the act’s 118-year history, present day legal challenges to the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments, and what could be ahead for monuments in the Supreme Court. Transcript here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/CleanLaw_EP97-final.pdf
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Jul 12, 2024 • 59min

Ep 96—Suite of Supreme Court Decisions Undermine Administrative Law

Andy Mergen discusses recent Supreme Court decisions undermining administrative agencies with Jody Freeman. They analyze the 'Quagmire Quartet' of cases, centralization of power in the judiciary, challenges for federal agencies, and hope for upholding important federal rules.
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Jun 13, 2024 • 53min

Ep 95—The Road to Clean Cars and Clean Air: California's Pivotal Role

California has had a pivotal role in creating US clean car and clean air regulations under multiple administrations. In this episode, EELP Founding Director and Harvard Law Professor, Jody Freeman, speaks with Mary Nichols, former Chair of the California Air Resources Board and California's Secretary for Natural Resources, as well as former Assistant Administrator for EPA's Office of Air and Radiation. They discuss California's role in driving car and air emissions regulation, how automakers and market forces have evolved since the 1970s, and what may happen in the coming years under either election outcome. Transcript: https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Jody-and-Mary-episode-95.pdf
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Jun 11, 2024 • 59min

Ep 94—FERC’s New Approach to Improving Transmission Investment, Order No. 1920

Ari Peskoe, director of our Electricity Law Initiative, speaks with Claire Wayner, senior associate at RMI's Carbon-Free Electricity program, and Casey Baker senior program manager at GridLab. They discuss how the utility industry thinks about building new high-voltage transmission lines and how FERC Order No. 1920 attempts to push the industry to develop more transmission to accommodate new, clean sources of electricity while maintaining a reliable and affordable power system. Transcript (pdf): https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/CleanLaw_EP94.pdf
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May 13, 2024 • 54min

Ep 93 — Wicked Resilient: Climate Adaptation in Massachusetts

Hannah Perls, EELP Senior Staff Attorney, and Deanna Moran, vice president of healthy and resilient communities at the Conservation Law Foundation in Boston, walk through some of the surprising ways that law and policy drive adaptation decisions in Massachusetts and beyond, including state and local building codes, design standards and risk disclosures, how to make our utilities more resilient without forcing ratepayers to bear the costs, and permitting. We also dig into current advocacy efforts for a wicked resilient New England. Show notes: Conservation Law Foundation report on The Massachusetts State Building Code & Climate Change https://www.clf.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/CLF_ClimateCodeReport_2019.pdf Environmental Law Institute report on State Protection of Nonfederal Waters: Turbidity Continues https://www.eli.org/sites/default/files/files-pdf/52.10679.pdf An Act Promoting Climate Safe Buildings https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/SD18 An Act Relative to Electric Utility Climate Resilience and Microgrids https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/SD786 Follow Deanna on X/Twitter demoran18 Transcript: https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/CleanLaw_EP93-1.pdf
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Jan 17, 2024 • 46min

Ep 92 — The Endangered Species Act at 50: Potent Statute, Risky Future

The Endangered Species Act, which turned 50 years old on December 28, 2023, has been described as one of the most potent environmental law statutes ever enacted. Harvard Law Professor Richard Lazarus and Andy Mergen, director of the Harvard Law Emmett Environmental Law and Policy Clinic, discuss the initial bipartisan support for the act, the Supreme Court cases that shaped its implementation, and the success of the law in protecting numerous species. They also talk about how the Endangered Species Act could be improved and the risks that it may face in the future. Transcript (PDF): https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/CleanLaw-EP92.pdf

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