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Jul 22, 2025 • 15min
The Specialist | The Rediscovery of Rubens’ The Massacre of the Innocents, with George Gordon
In this captivating discussion, George Gordon, Deputy Chairman at Sotheby’s Europe and an expert in Old Master Paintings, shares the thrilling tale of Rubens’ The Massacre of the Innocents, a masterpiece lost for 250 years. He details the intense emotion captured in the artwork and the extensive journey of its rediscovery and attribution. Gordon also highlights the painting's significance in art history and its record-breaking sale, alongside intriguing insights into Rubens' evolution as an artist.

Jul 21, 2025 • 41min
How Can Football Shirts Explain Money, Power and Politics?
Joey D'Urso, journalist and author of 'More Than A Shirt,' dives deep into the symbolism of football shirts as reflections of global politics and power. He shares fascinating insights from his travels, revealing how these jerseys represent cultural identity and geopolitical connections, like the Schalke-Gazprom sponsorship. The discussion also touches on the complex intersection of football, crime, and gambling, alongside the rise of women's football as a symbol of change. D'Urso emphasizes football's unique ability to drive social movements and unite communities.

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Jul 19, 2025 • 34min
How Geography Explains Our World, with Tim Marshall
Tim Marshall, an acclaimed author on foreign affairs and the mind behind hits like 'Prisoners of Geography', dives into how geography shapes global politics. He discusses the strategic importance of Greenland amidst the U.S.-Russia tensions and reveals why China's ambitions to invade Taiwan face major geographical challenges. The conversation also touches on the geopolitics of space exploration and the implications for international relations, alongside Europe's defense identity post-Brexit. Marshall's insights offer a fresh lens on the world's pressing issues.

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Jul 17, 2025 • 52min
How will Trump’s tariff war impact the global economy? With Philip Coggan
Philip Coggan, an award-winning financial journalist and economist, illuminates the repercussions of Trump’s trade policies on the global economy. He draws parallels with Churchill’s economic decisions, warning of the erosion of a global economic order. Coggan critiques the flawed rationale behind tariffs, emphasizing their burden on consumers and economic instability. The discussion explores the complexities of U.S.-China relations, income inequality, and the potential future of the American economy in a world of shifting alliances.

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Jul 15, 2025 • 33min
The Search for a Jewish Homeland in Texas, with Rachel Cockerell and James McAuley
On June 7th 1907, a ship packed with Russian Jews sets sail not to Jerusalem or New York, as many on board have dreamt, but to Texas. The man who persuades the passengers to go is David Jochelmann, Rachel Cockerell's great-grandfather. It marks the beginning of the Galveston Movement, a forgotten moment in history when 10,000 Jews fled to Texas in the lead-up to WWI. In today's episode historian and author Rachel Cockerell tells this fascinating story in conversation with James McAuley, journalist and Global Opinions contributing columnist at the Washington Post.
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Jul 13, 2025 • 42min
What can Charlottesville teach us about America’s national story? With Deborah Baker
In this discussion, Deborah Baker, a Pulitzer Prize finalist and author of "Charlottesville: An American Story," shares her personal connection to the city where the Unite the Right rally erupted. She reveals the historical complexities of Charlottesville, including its ties to slavery and race, and the implications of the Confederate statue at its center. Baker also uncovers the failures of local authorities and highlights stories of those who sought to prevent violence. Through her insights, she encourages a deeper understanding of how these events reflect broader American narratives.

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Jul 12, 2025 • 52min
Why does nobody understand quantum physics? With Frank Verstraete and Céline Broeckaert
Frank Verstraete, a leading quantum physicist from Cambridge, and Céline Broeckaert, a talented science writer, tackle the baffling world of quantum physics. They discuss how classical concepts fall short in explaining this complex field. The duo emphasizes the need for creativity and collaboration in making quantum mechanics relatable to the general public. They explore the influence of revolutionary figures in science and advocate for a more engaging approach to education that inspires curiosity and inclusivity in understanding the wonders of the quantum realm.

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Jul 10, 2025 • 42min
What if Globalisation Fails? with Ben Chu
Ben Chu, an economics journalist and author of 'Exile Economics', dives into the potential fallout of failing globalization. He explores whether nations can thrive independently or if that’s just an illusion. The discussion covers the resurgence of energy nationalism, the intricate ties between China and Western economies, and how recent crises have fueled the push for self-sufficiency. Chu also delves into the complexities of global supply chains and historical trends of autarky, highlighting the delicate balance between independence and interdependence.

Jul 8, 2025 • 1h 7min
Classic Debate: Neville Chamberlain Did The Right Thing
Join historians John Charmley, Richard Evans, Glyn Stone, and Piers Brendan as they unpack the contentious legacy of Neville Chamberlain. They argue if his appeasement policy was a tragic misstep or a reasonable diplomatic strategy amidst the horrors of World War I memories. The debate dives into the Munich Agreement's implications, questioning whether alternatives might have changed history. With insights into public sentiment and military readiness, they present a compelling case to reconsider Chamberlain's decisions, challenging long-held historical narratives.

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Jul 7, 2025 • 41min
Are bureaucrats a force for good? With Michael Lewis and Gillian Tett (Part Two)
Michael Lewis, acclaimed author of bestselling titles like Moneyball and The Big Short, joins to discuss the often-unrecognized value of government workers. He shares compelling stories, such as a dedicated coal miner improving mine safety and an IRS agent tackling tax evasion with the flair of a crime thriller. The conversation also touches on the personal narratives behind bureaucratic reforms, the challenges in high-profile pardon negotiations, and the evolving nature of storytelling in sports amidst the changing landscape of governance.