Nora Bateson founder of Warm data labs and author of the book Combining came on the podcast for a warm, worldbending conversation. We speak of this world we live in and what it means to be involved in its unfolding through some of the concepts in Noras current book Combining. We speak of confusion, complexity, abouting, readying, shifting, communication, range, side by siding, the need for discontinuation, changing maps and how the territory always wins. This conversation has had me say "as Nora said" for weeks... perhaps you will to. Enjoy. Extensive show notes (Substack)

Mandy Martini Chihuailaf (webpage) came on the podcast. We spoke about indigenous wisdom, remembering, and why our western culture seems to be so stuck. Mandy works with indigenous approaches to moving through trauma and stress. Healing it by completing they cycle, just like any other wound. We also spoke of our current perdicament, remembering who you are and the different steps in teaching. The importance in her tradition to show and allow the one that is learning to then take their own steps. Even when it comes to hard lessons... this is a down to earth, wonderful conversation touching a place outside the dominant culture. Detailed shownotes (Substack) Chapter: 00:00 Introduction to Indigenous Wisdom 03:21 Preserving Indigenous Traditions 06:17 The Impact of Trauma 10:33 The Illusion of Progress 16:55 Living in Balance with Nature 20:09 Healing from Trauma 23:15 The Natural Cycle of Trauma 28:29 The Cost of Staying Stuck 31:33 Accepting Indigenous Knowledge 36:05 Starting the Healing Journey 40:25 The Role of Community 46:25 Acceptance and Trust 48:49 Showing by Example 49:31 Being a Full Human Being 50:26 Building Courage to Show Up 51:00 Teaching Through Stories 53:26 The Importance of Listening 54:45 Sharing Through Stories 56:02 Telling Stories Without Preconceived Conclusions 57:19 Attaching Feelings to Actions 59:48 Creating Change and Feeling Good 01:00:38 Land Project and Indigenous Learning Center

Darcia Narvaez, Professor of Psychology at Notre Dame university (web, university) has lived many contexts and careers before she started her research on the Evolved nest and the kinship worldview. She has written a number of books on the topic of how we care for our children, or lack of care for them, has deep implications for the world we live in today. This conversation centers around that concept and how we can break the cycle (film) and re-imagine humanity (film) in ways that take us in more regenerative directions. This is an incredibly important and timely conversation. Host: Amit Paul

Merlin Bola (Grow in Flow, LinkedIn) is a fellow curious building regenerative bridges into the fog, into whatever is to come next. This conversation is a wide ranging exploration into the realms at the edges of science and what is to come. We deal with quantum darwinism, neurodiversity, other perspectives on our brains (and bodies) self healing capabilities and the energy generating capacity of water. This is a conversation that takes us through many possibilities of what may come next. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

Olivia Lazard (LinkedIn, writing) is an analyst, scientist and thinker looking at the intersection of peace, planetary security and ecology. This is a conversation that takes us into the current predicament through the lens of security and peace. Olivia has a unique view into the European project and we touch on some of the most potent tension at this particular juncture in time. It seems we europeans are dealing with our past and future very intensely and simultaneously. We speak of the technocraty, the growth paradigm, the economy, the ecology and about geoengineering. This is one of my favorite conversations sofar on the podcast. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Jonas Roupé (LinkedIn, webpage) is a strategist and human being as well as a magician. This conversation touches upon the work he has been involved with from ecocide to making business more circular. But most of all we talk about the concept of resilience and agency in a time of crisis and collapse. Jonas outlines a pathway towards life that is perhaps counterintuitive in the current cultural narrative, an invitation to the local, the human the small. We speak of different roles and different approaches to the collapse: like protecting wise decisions now, building pathways for transition and for releasing the musts. We speak of the buddah, dharma and sanga, the physical, social and aesthetic human and much much more. This is a warm, soft conversation that left me with a a sense of joy and meaning. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Karl-Erik Edris is an author (books in Swedish), thinker and educator on the topic of leadership. We took a deep dive into the why grand narratives are probably not what we need right now, why life is probably about revealing your own stupidity to yourself and how the state of the world right now is probably not something we did wrong, rather just something we need to pay attention to so we can get it right. This is a wonderful conversation with one of the deepest thinkers and optimists I've encountered. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Maria Zachs the passionate, values driven activist and founder of the Voices4Change foundation as well as the initiative Growth4change introducing hydrophonic growing techniques in one of Kenyas poorer communities. Maria speaks of her approach to local democracy, empowerment, being values driven as well as acting in full alignment with those values. We also speak about what it took to earn the trust as well as beginning to understand how to make change in some of the poorer and socially exposed areas in Kenya where she's currently working. And we of course talk about tango. This conversation touches many topics and especially the inspiring work of Maria and the organizations she has founded. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

Jim Wallenberg is a company advisor, speaker, change leader. We spoke about engagement, working in different capacities in a company, how it is possible that many people still seem to think that engagement in a company is some random magic or luck and not a result of hard work. We also spoke about how to not get hired as a manager and what it takes to get compliance. This is a fun, tangible conversation about some the topic of leadership, management and how we get things done together. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

Mark Milton (LinkedIn) founder of Education 4 Peace and Spirit of Humanity Forum, former director of IFOTES and co-author of the book Master of Emotions joined the podcast speaking of his long passion for listening and where his own listening brought him. This conversation touches upon the possibility of sports in peace and consciousness development. We also speaks of different levels of listening, relational consciousness, sensing and trusting and letting that be the source of movement. We also speak of more difficult topics like violence and the get a peak into how the world has changed over the past 3-4 decades for us passionate about systems transformation. Host: Amit Paul.