Karl-Erik Edris came by for a second conversation (here's the first from nov 2023). This time we spoke of the rise of fall of civilizations, where we currently seem to be in this current change, the axial age, the fall of the roman empire, Jesus, modernity and what might be coming next. What is it that our current ways of treating eachother and the planet can teach us? What are we invited to learn? If you are one of us that is looking for the 'smoke' that connects the real world and language as Karl-Erik puts it this is definitely a conversation for you. Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul

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